| 01:40:32 | Bradipo | Anyone have that linke to the IHateMS.html link handy? |
| 01:46:11 | Bradipo | Never mind, google had it first match. |
| 01:53:56 | fozz | Moooo |
| 02:27:36 | DarkHorse | hi |
| 02:28:10 | | hello, Bradipo |
| 02:28:10 | Bradipo | Hello |
| 02:35:30 | DarkHorse | was just poking around the channel web site. |
| 02:35:51 | DarkHorse | next meeting is tomorrow in slc eh, maybe i'll go. |
| 02:36:07 | DarkHorse | i live in lehi |
| 03:42:16 | Jayce^ | so byron.. guess what I'm about to do ;D |
| 03:43:08 | BZFlag | change dns on plug.org again? or install bzflag? ;-) |
| 03:43:08 | | BZFlag: that doesn't look right |
| 03:43:26 | | Since Mon Jul 15 23:58:12 2002, there have been 94 modifications and 163 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 4 hours, 45 minutes, 14 seconds this session, and currently reference 6603 factoids. Addressing is in required mode. |
| 03:43:26 | BZFlag | ibot status |
| 03:43:43 | BZFlag | hmmm. ibot should not be responding unless spoken too. |
| 03:43:47 | byron | i'm guessing you are going to install a bzflag server |
| 03:44:00 | BZFlag | that's what I'm voting for. ;-) |
| 03:44:15 | byron | either that or pack your bags for oscon |
| 03:44:23 | Jayce^ | yeah, pack my bags.. ;D |
| 03:44:42 | Jayce^ | hehe.. leaving just a little after the midnight oil concert ;D |
| 03:44:50 | byron | that's ok, i'm building gnome2 without the debugging info so there |
| 03:45:33 | Jayce^ | I could do that.. but right now I'm trying to figure out why my sound isn't working on my laptop (ever since rebuilding with gcc3.1) |
| 03:45:51 | byron | using alsa or oss? |
| 03:46:21 | Jayce^ | alsa |
| 03:46:37 | Jayce^ | gcc2 worked fine... now nothing seems to work for it.. |
| 03:46:57 | Jayce^ | alsactl says No soundcards found.. |
| 03:47:06 | byron | ouch |
| 03:53:12 | byron | is it a known bug with gcc3.1? |
| 03:55:45 | Jayce^ | no.. at least not that I've found yet.. |
| 03:56:46 | Jayce^ | I wonder if it's conflicting with something in my kernel.. I included it's maestro3 driver in the kernle too.. |
| 03:57:24 | byron | as a module? |
| 03:57:58 | Jayce^ | no, straight in (I usually do modules, but this time dcided to stuff it in there) |
| 03:58:25 | Jayce^ | guess I'll try redoing that, see if it makes a difference.. |
| 03:58:25 | byron | ouch, that could be the problem then... i know alsa won't load if the kernel/oss module is loaded already |
| 04:12:53 | Aelhaz | yeah, that's the problem |
| 04:12:58 | Aelhaz | hardware is already in use |
| 04:16:07 | Jayce^ | awaits a kernel recompile.. |
| 04:18:29 | byron | is waiting for gnome2 to finish building |
| 04:37:43 | scott | is waiting for windows to finish compiling. |
| 05:31:35 | Albino | Anybody know of a linux app that will graphically map out a LAN? |
| 05:33:16 | Bradipo | Hmm, cheops maybe. |
| 05:33:46 | Bradipo | What exactly do you mean by ``map out?'' |
| 05:37:59 | Albino | I just need some sort of display of all the ip addresses that exsist on my LAN |
| 05:38:18 | Bradipo | Try cheops. |
| 05:38:19 | Albino | basically I forgot what I set the ip address of my router too and without it I can't configure DHCP or NAT |
| 05:38:24 | Albino | thx |
| 05:38:43 | Bradipo | Can't you login to your router? |
| 05:39:05 | Albino | I could if I knew the IP Address - It is one of those stand alone Linksys ones |
| 05:39:18 | Bradipo | And no serial management port eh? |
| 05:39:35 | Bradipo | Actually, nmap would do just as good a job. |
| 05:40:00 | Bradipo | But you will have to be on the same network as the router, otherwise cheops and nmap may not even find the IP. |
| 05:40:43 | Bradipo | By network I mean logical network. |
| 05:40:53 | Albino | what would be the command to do it with nmap? I already have that installed |
| 05:41:26 | Albino | ya, it has a serial port I believe, but it didn't acutally come with a cable - and I am too cheap too buy one |
| 05:41:55 | Bradipo | Or even fping if you have that. |
| 05:42:29 | Bradipo | nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 05:42:40 | Bradipo | But put in your network. |
| 05:42:44 | Bradipo | Not 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 05:42:46 | Albino | ooo...thx |
| 05:44:43 | Albino | well, that found it for me - thanks for your help |
| 05:45:06 | Bradipo | Who needed the graphical cheops anyway. ;-) |
| 05:46:21 | Albino | ya, thats all I really needed, I have just never seen nmap used that way. I have seen graphical progs before I guess thats why I just asked for one like that' |
| 06:07:47 | BZFlag | Albino: what is your default route? it should point to the router. see "route" |
| 06:10:59 | Albino | BAFlag: Thx for the suggestion, but for the time being I have had my default route pointing to my win box for a quick dirty way to share my winmodem so that I can get on the internet. I moved from a place where I had broadband and that is when I changed the IP of the router and forogt it. All is well now though, NMAP saved me |
| 14:37:13 | fugalh | morning all. Anyone know why uxterm doesn't listen to .Xresources? |
| 14:46:33 | euler | fugalh: Have no idea. I don't use uxterm. |
| 14:46:51 | euler | Unless you are talking about xterm... |
| 14:48:43 | fugalh | uxterm is a unicode xterm |
| 14:52:07 | fugalh | br |
| 14:52:07 | fugalh | b |
| 14:53:58 | scotty | Mensch.. Can't use the same nick.. |
| 14:55:30 | scotty | Man, I wish I could be using something other than cygwin.. |
| 14:55:44 | scotty | jayce: you here? |
| 14:55:59 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 14:56:11 | scotty | It's me, scothoser.. |
| 14:56:17 | fugalh | well, looks like uxterm looks for UXTerm resources. i don't know whether to like that or not. |
| 14:56:28 | Jayce^ | heh.. oh yeah, you have to use winders for now on your desktop.. poor soul.. |
| 14:57:10 | scotty | Hoser.. it's not fair that you get to go to OSCON, and leave the rest of us here.. :P |
| 14:57:42 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 14:57:57 | scotty | I hate having to use my Windows box.. but that should change come Friday.. |
| 14:58:20 | Jayce^ | good.. |
| 14:58:25 | Jayce^ | smgl of course?? |
| 14:59:01 | scotty | Of course! I am getting a new laptop, and any time I need Windows, I will just use rdesktop.. |
| 14:59:44 | scotty | My argument is that I need a hacking station to test security vunerabilities in our servers.. ^_^ |
| 14:59:53 | Jayce^ | hehehehehe |
| 15:00:05 | Jayce^ | and of course, linux is a "hacker" tool ;D |
| 15:00:50 | scotty | Jayce^: have you seen the Toshiba Sattlite s501? |
| 15:01:59 | Jayce^ | not sure on that one. |
| 15:03:17 | scotty | It's got a P4 1.7 Ghz processor, 512 MB ram, 40 GB hdd, SD card slot, SXGA+ 51" display, GeForce 440 Go video with 32 MB ram, and even a built-in subwoofer.. ^_^ |
| 15:03:39 | fugalh | there's a built-in subwoofer in the talmage right now |
| 15:03:43 | fugalh | some sort of drilling |
| 15:03:44 | scotty | Plus, it can take a miniPCI WiFi card.. No more need for PCMCIA for WiFi.. |
| 15:04:45 | scotty | fugalh: Ahh.. you must be at the U.. ^_^ |
| 15:05:23 | scotty | I remember those days.. |
| 15:07:49 | scotty | brb |
| 15:08:13 | fugalh | the Y actually |
| 15:09:31 | fugalh | talmage=Talmage Math and Computer Bldg=Orthanc (they're digging and digging south and north of here, dug up all the trees and they must be making Uruk-hai) |
| 15:09:45 | scotty | back.. The Y? They have a talmage building too? Cool... |
| 15:09:57 | scotty | ^_^ |
| 15:11:57 | scotty | The U has a talmage building as well.. but I can't remember which branch of the Sciences it was.. |
| 15:13:21 | Jayce^ | hehe... like the description.. |
| 15:13:54 | scotty | Isn't it nice? I have been drooling over it for a month now.. This paycheck I should have enough to get one.. |
| 15:14:38 | scotty | Strictly for productivity, mind you.. |
| 15:15:15 | Jayce^ | riiiiight |
| 15:16:15 | scotty | I can be very productive with a display better than my desktop, better sound, and a CDRW/DVD drive, particularly when LOtR comes out. ^_^ |
| 15:18:27 | fugalh | anybody know the name of that program that tells you things about the current window in x. you know, like what font my xterm is using etc. |
| 15:28:32 | tensai | Jayce^: what's on the schedule at OSCON? |
| 15:40:44 | Jayce^ | more like, what isnt' ;D |
| 15:40:44 | Jayce^ | I have 4 tutorials: |
| 15:40:44 | Jayce^ | Mastering Data Structures and References in Perl |
| 15:40:44 | Jayce^ | MySQL Optimization |
| 15:40:48 | Jayce^ | Transitioning to mod_perl Handlers |
| 15:40:50 | Jayce^ | Exchanging Objects and Messages with SOAP |
| 15:40:54 | Jayce^ | then I'm still deciding on which sessions I want.. |
| 15:41:24 | tensai | Jayce^: I remember looking at the list and thinking there wasn't time enough in the world |
| 15:43:17 | tensai | Jayce^: will you have net access so you can give #utah a play by play? |
| 15:44:14 | scotty | jayce: You had better, or we will do something nasty to you.. I don't know what, but I am sure harleypig will help ^_^ |
| 16:13:11 | | jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON |
| 16:13:11 | fugalh | ibot, who is jayce^? |
| 16:16:42 | | tensai: i haven't a clue |
| 16:16:42 | tensai | ibot: are you in love with Jayce^? |
| 16:16:43 | Jayce | sorry about that.. connection went out |
| 16:17:59 | tensai | Jayce: did you catch my last question: will you have net access so you can give #utah a play by play? |
| 16:18:47 | Jayce | yeah, they always have wireless there... |
| 16:18:58 | Jayce | they are even having a huge q3 lan game ;D |
| 16:19:20 | tensai | Jayce: do you have a copy? I can lend you mine if you need. |
| 16:19:44 | Jayce | my laptop can't play it :( |
| 16:21:09 | tensai | tensai: mine neither. does okay with Starcraft (in Wine of course) |
| 16:21:41 | tensai | s/tensai:/Jayce: |
| 16:23:43 | Jayce | heh.. never gotten a game to work in wine.. |
| 16:25:48 | tensai | Jayce: my success has varied. DeusEx demo worked, Halflife mostly worked. problem is I don't want to play any of my Windows games. |
| 16:26:23 | Jayce | heh... I have some that I'd like, and more that I'd just like to know I can do.. |
| 16:27:28 | tensai | Jayce: have you tried WineX? |
| 16:30:24 | Jayce | the source never seems to work too well.. |
| 16:30:52 | Jayce | I tried doing jedi knight II in it, it tried installing, but then the fonts were all wrong, and then it crashed.. |
| 16:32:33 | tensai | Jayce: and that didn't work for you :) |
| 16:33:17 | Jayce | I just figured winex was trying too hard to replicate windoze.. crashing and all |
| 16:35:20 | fugalh | if I return a private class variable in a public method is the user then able to change the value of my variable in my class (java) ? |
| 16:35:46 | tensai | fugalh: I think so |
| 16:36:18 | fugalh | hmm. why bother with accessor methods then? |
| 16:36:27 | tensai | tensai: but for ints and Strings it won't matter. ints will be copies and Strings are read-only. |
| 16:45:14 | tensai | fugalh: this is where the C++ keyword 'const' makes sense. I don't know why Java dumped that. |
| 16:53:32 | fugalh | wonders why java dumped enum too |
| 16:54:51 | fugalh | is trying gnome today. kde yesterday. So far he likes neither enough to switch from windowmaker |
| 16:58:51 | fugalh | to check for null in java: x == NULL ? (sorry about all the java questions. I used to be good at it but haven't programmed java for years.) |
| 16:59:16 | tensai | fugalh: x == null |
| 17:01:51 | fugalh | thanks |
| 17:08:41 | Jayce^ | cool, sourcemage now has distributed compilation ;D |
| 17:34:31 | dbb | Did everyone get notified about the SLLUG meeting tonight? |
| 17:36:26 | dbb | FYI - SLLUG has a meeting tonight. See http://www.sllug.org/meetings/next.html |
| 17:57:57 | fugalh | is there a keyboard shortcut for switching desktops in gnome? |
| 18:00:20 | tensai | fugalh: alt and right/left arrow I think |
| 18:02:13 | fugalh | ah, ctrl-alt left/right |
| 18:02:14 | fugalh | thx |
| 18:29:22 | regis | quick vim question for anyone out there... |
| 18:29:22 | regis | I've got it set to wrap at 70 or so characters, |
| 18:29:22 | regis | and when I join two lines (shift-j) it doesn't re-wrap the text. |
| 18:29:23 | regis | Is there a command to make it do that? |
| 18:31:37 | regis | Hello? |
| 18:31:41 | regis | Is there anybody in there? |
| 18:31:46 | regis | Just nod if you can hear me. |
| 18:31:55 | regis | Is there anyone at all? |
| 18:32:04 | tensai | nods, but doesn't know the answer |
| 18:32:08 | euler | I can hear you, but you went beyond my limited vim experience just by setting a word wrap. |
| 18:32:30 | Jayce^ | dont' know either.. |
| 18:32:54 | regis | That's fine--just checking. |
| 18:33:57 | regis | I'll try posting it to the mailing list... |
| 18:34:07 | fugalh | nods |
| 18:34:09 | fugalh | hold on |
| 18:34:17 | fugalh | gq |
| 18:34:32 | fugalh | (which I have mapped to Q in my .vimrc) |
| 18:34:50 | regis | thanks |
| 18:36:10 | regis | Should it be just gq? |
| 18:36:22 | regis | I just tried it and gq didn't do it, but gqq did. |
| 18:40:26 | fugalh | he was right |
| 18:40:30 | fugalh | gqq does the line |
| 18:40:38 | fugalh | gq will reformat the selected text though |
| 19:16:13 | fugalh | yawns and sips his lemonade. |
| 19:18:22 | fugalh | What do you call bite-size Twix (where there's only one bar in each package)? |
| 19:18:40 | tensai | fugalh: a rip off? |
| 19:18:48 | fugalh | unix |
| 19:23:12 | fugalh | twix for two, unix for one |
| 20:22:25 | Aelhaz | oh yeah, slug meeting tonight . . . . wonder if i feel like going to that . . . |
| 20:23:11 | Aelhaz | or am i confused. |
| 20:26:38 | Jayce^ | heh.. I'll be at the concert.. sorry ;D |
| 20:30:59 | fugalh | cyall |
| 20:30:59 | tensai | Jayce^: first you tease us about OSCON, and now this!? |
| 20:34:25 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:34:33 | Jayce^ | hey.. anybody could get free tickets.. |
| 21:53:10 | crowderb | 'lo all |
| 21:56:01 | fugalh_ | how can I check to see if a power supply is good? |
| 21:58:46 | fozz | returns |
| 21:58:47 | fozz | Hi! |
| 21:58:59 | crowderb | hi fozz |
| 21:59:08 | fozz | hi |
| 21:59:11 | crowderb | fugalh_: plug it in ;) |
| 21:59:19 | crowderb | j/k, of course |
| 21:59:30 | fozz | ATX power supply? |
| 21:59:53 | fugalh_ | yeah |
| 21:59:56 | fozz | A volt/ohm meter should provide that information. |
| 22:00:03 | fugalh_ | i have one of those |
| 22:00:14 | fozz | The trick is turning the power supply on. :) |
| 22:00:17 | fozz | (outside of the case) |
| 22:01:27 | fozz | Check this page out: http://www.compute-aid.com/atxspec.html |
| 22:02:18 | fugalh_ | well I have a mobo |
| 22:02:19 | fozz | Looks like if you short pins 14 and 15, it should power on. |
| 22:02:43 | fugalh_ | two, actually, and two atx power supplies, but I haven't verified that either of them works |
| 22:02:56 | fozz | The diagram on that page also shows which pins should have what voltages. |
| 22:02:57 | fugalh_ | but then I've never put together an atx before, so maybe I'm missing a pin somewhere |
| 22:03:04 | fozz | Oh I see. |
| 22:03:25 | fozz | The trick with ATX is connecting the power switch to the motherboard. |
| 22:03:40 | fozz | With AT, the power switch was hard-wired to the power supply. |
| 22:04:21 | Bonez39 | greetings.. |
| 22:04:29 | fozz | Bonez39: Hi. |
| 22:04:50 | crowderb | hello bonez |
| 22:05:04 | Bonez39 | hi fozz, crowd |
| 22:06:08 | fugalh_ | ok, fozz, I have my volt/ohmmeter out and the powersupply plugged in |
| 22:06:26 | fugalh_ | but I'm far from expert with a volt/ohm meter. What should I set it to and where do I poke it? :) |
| 22:25:02 | fugalh_ | what should I need to see power on an atx mobo/power supply? power supply hooked to mobo, mobo hooked to power switch, cpu, ram? is that enough? do I even need the cpu/ram? |
| 23:12:58 | byron | howdy all |
| 23:26:50 | Bonez39 | howdy, byron |
| 23:27:56 | fugalh | any hardware gurus here? |
| 23:28:03 | byron | wow, i was beginning to think everyone idled again |
| 23:29:58 | byron | fugalh: what kind of hardware? |
| 23:34:54 | fugalh | pc |
| 23:35:04 | fugalh | I have an amd k6 500mhz coming in the mail |
| 23:35:21 | fugalh | and I need to get a mobo for it |
| 23:54:38 | Aelhaz | You could call me a guru, but you'll have to be quick cause I'm leaving |
| 23:56:33 | Aelhaz | too slow, cya |
| 23:59:33 | fugalh | do you know where I can pick up a socket 7 motherboard that will run an amd k6? |