irclog2html for utah on 2002.07.15

00:39:44jayce_hey BZFlag
02:23:53jayce_arrrggghhh...  dan switched the plug site to the wrong server
02:39:52fozzWoops. That doesn't sound good.
02:40:13fozzThis "dan" person probably deserves a good lashing.
02:40:13fozz:)
02:54:02jayce_hehe
02:54:09jayce_and fozz would be?
04:01:46fozzretusn
04:01:51fozzor something like that.
04:54:57ammoniteevening, all
04:56:01ammonitenobody here?
04:58:31ammoniteoh well
04:58:33ammonitenite
07:46:33BZFlagJayce^: now both http://www.plug.org/ and http://plug.org/ are wrong.
07:49:15BZFlagJayce^: oh, and it does not pass the w3c validator in spite of claming it does.
13:24:46KublaHey, is anyone paying attention right now?
13:35:58euler'lo
13:37:32Kublawhat's up?
13:48:55eulerNothing much.  I just heard about this place.  Thought I would check it out, even though I don't live in utah anymore.
14:24:20KublaSorry, been afk.  Hey, I have a question...
14:24:34KublaSomeone posted an article on UUG about how to set up true type fonts
14:24:46KublaHow do I get my programs to use those fonts?  Like Mozilla?
14:24:56KublaAnd what are the actual font names if I see them in a list?
14:42:40eulerSorry, I don't know anything about truetype fonts in Linux.
14:42:58Kublas'ok.  Thanks anyways
15:00:51Bonez39greetings.
15:05:45Jayce^lo
15:05:58Bonez39hi Jayce...
15:06:10Bonez39do you work for a linux concern too?
15:06:41Bonez39have your own company?
15:07:35Bonez39is a chiropractor who spends free time playing with, but increasingly, working with linux..
15:09:12Bonez39here's a practical question...my wife creates a document on her laptop. I bring the laptop to work, copy file to diskette and then want to attach that file to an outgoing email here in linux...
15:09:31Bonez39how can I get to the floppy to copy the file, from with Kmail?
15:09:57Bonez39I click on /mnt and then look for floppy there, but none of those yield access to my floppy drive and disk
15:10:41tensaiyou have to mount the floppy first
15:12:27Bonez39tensai: thanks..I just did that..went to prompt, su to root, mounted the floppy and then it was recognizeable in email at /mnt/fd0
15:12:41eulerBonez39: Look in /etc/fstab and see if there is an entry for /dev/fd0
15:12:43Bonez39what I am curious about is why that mount does not persist.....why must I mount it each time?
15:13:39Bonez39euler: yes, /etc/fstab does have that entry, a la /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy auto defaults,user/noauto 0 0
15:13:56Bonez39it's different though, as you can tell, what does 'noauto' in there make linux do?
15:14:14tensaiBonez39: tells the system not to mount it at boot time
15:14:32Bonez39tensai: is there any reason why I would NOT want the system to mount it then?
15:14:49tensaiBonez39: if you don't have a floppy in the drive when the system boots
15:15:04Bonez39I would prefer just being able to go to that drive, without having to mount it each time...unless there is some advantage..I usually keep a floppy in there anyway
15:15:22Bonez39that makes sense...if I won't have a floppy in, then leave it at noauto, right?
15:15:35eulerright.
15:15:38Bonez39and when I need access to just mount it?
15:15:39Bonez39ok...
15:16:42tensaiBonez39: also, since you have the "user" option in /etc/fstab you don't have to be root to mount/umount it
15:17:16Bonez39oh, I tried mounting it as user, but was told i have to be root to mount it
15:17:43Bonez39but then that was for /dev/floppy and not for /dev/fd0
15:17:43eulerBonez39: try this as a normal user:  mount /mnt/floppy
15:17:50Bonez39ok...
15:17:59eulerYou may have to unmount it first.
15:18:13Bonez39ok...
15:19:01Bonez39cool...such a simple thing....but can be so painful if not done right..thanks!
15:19:22eulernp
15:23:15neybarhello
15:23:46eulerHi.
15:24:42Bonez39hi neybar
15:24:50Bonez39hi byron
15:25:30Bonez39euler, back on the floppy issue..if I have other drives that show up, and show files present, even though nothing is in the drive...is that because they were never unmounted?
15:26:17Bonez39hi Brad
15:26:26Bonez39does my question even make sense?
15:26:50BradipoHello.
15:27:12tensaiBonez39: the kernel thinks the files are there until you umount the device. Taking a floppy out without umounting it is a bad idea
15:28:52eulerBonez39: That does make sense.
15:29:07fozzGood morning
15:29:24eulerHi fozz.
15:29:33eulerFancy meeting you here.
15:31:14fozzOh?
15:31:19fozzI've been here for a few days. :)
15:31:53fozzThis is where the _real_ geeks hang out.
15:32:09BradipoThat's a scary statement. :-)
15:32:19fozzI haven't heard a single peep of elitism here. :)
15:33:29Bonez39tensai: I am learning how sensitive linux is.....
15:33:32Bonez39thanks for the update..
15:33:53Bonez39no elitists..just people wanting to share and help..
15:34:46byronso, what linux distributions do we have represented here?  i run gentoo
15:36:18andynhi fozz and euler
15:39:39Jayce^sourcemage...
15:39:49Jayce^of course, you knew that byron..
15:40:05Jayce^oh, and one mandrake box.. (can't format it to SMGL for a while)
15:40:07neybarsourcemage and mandrake...
15:40:16byronJayce^: yes i did
15:42:40fozzbyron: I run Red Hat mostly.
15:43:48BradipoNot to start a distro war here, but what have your experiences with Mandrake been?
15:44:04fozzI've used Mandrake some.
15:44:15fozzIt started out being a Red Hat with extra stuff.
15:44:32fozzNow it's become its own distro.
15:44:39BradipoIt seems like everytime I try to use it for anything serious I find it broken.
15:44:46fozzI'm not fond of the installer - it's ugly.
15:44:54fozzBradipo: That was my experience too, actually.
15:44:57BradipoWell, I don't much care about any installer.
15:45:08BradipoI prefer text (like *BSD).
15:45:19fozzIt seemed like every time they tried to one-up Red Hat, they broke several things.
15:45:28fozzBradipo: That's why I always install Red Hat 'expert text'
15:45:34fugalhmandrake - impossible for an expert to configure
15:45:46neybarmandrake does seem to put thing in weird places.  compiling stuff from source is pretty hit or miss...
15:45:46fugalh(unless I guess they're a mandrake expert)
15:45:47Bradipofugalh: I like that, can I quote you on that?
15:45:53Bonez39anyone good with networked printing issues?
15:45:53fugalhabsolutely. :)
15:46:12fozzBonez39: Windows or Unix networking?
15:46:14Bonez39I am running CUPS..trying to get things working for network printing...but have trouble...
15:46:30Bonez39printing to a windows networked machine from linux application and box.
15:46:36Jayce^overall, pretty good,  better than headrat.
15:46:58fugalhif you like text installers, go debian.
15:47:17Jayce^fugalh: no, go SMGL ;D   realllly text based ;D
15:47:19BradipoOh, I'm sold on Debian.
15:47:38BradipoNothing beats apt... :-)
15:47:43neybarI'm going to have to give debian a try one of these days
15:47:55fozzI really like the "promise" of Debian.
15:48:04fozzI hate the problems associated with RPM.
15:48:16fozzBut, I've been using Red Hat for 8 years now. :)
15:48:28fozzI can install it, configure it, etc. with my eyes closed.
15:48:30fugalhanyone know how to add a keyboard shortcut in windowmaker?
15:51:42byroni really liked debian when i used it, i always ran out of the testing tree and i like having up to date software
15:51:46Bradipofugalh: What do you mean keyboard shortcut?
15:52:19fugalhI want meta4-t to open a new xterm
15:52:23BradipoOk.
15:52:35BradipoYou can edit the WM configuration files.
15:52:43BradipoOr setup a menu item and then assign it a shortcut.
15:52:46fugalhbut I don't want to mess with the menus, because I like the up-to-date debian menu system
15:52:54BradipoOk.
15:53:58BradipoHmm...
15:54:10BradipoI'm sure it's possible.
15:54:18BradipoBut I have never done it without the menus.
15:55:14fugalhis switching back from fluxbox to windowmaker. fluxbox is cool but not mature enough
15:56:20byronis there any way to run windowmaker without the dock and the clip?
15:56:42byroni like windowmaker, but i only have 1024x768 resolution and they seem to take up too much space
15:56:48BradipoYou can change the size of them.
15:57:01BradipoAnd you can also have the clip auto-collapse.
15:58:26BradipoI don't know about removing them though.
16:00:37fugalhauto-collapse and sit underneath
16:00:45fugalhyou can remove the dock and/or the clip
16:01:18Bonez39how do I change or add an icon on my taskbar?
16:01:25fugalhwith a little maneuvering it's no more space than gnome. but if you have 1280x1024 like me then the easy to hit icons are nice. :)
16:01:40Bonez39this is in KDE 2...tried updating to KDE3 but failed when I started swearing at my PC
16:02:23Jayce^kde3 is much better than 2
16:02:27byronwell, i usually use fluxbox because it takes almost no space and feels fast
16:02:53Bonez39oh, I believe you....would love to have it on my system....and would like to try gnome 2. as well
16:03:07Bonez39I want gnome2 to so I can run gnucash.....
16:03:17byrongnome2 is very nice
16:03:28byronBonez39: is there a gnome2 port of gnucash?
16:04:23Bonez39byron: not sure..I know only that I can't install gnucash without having lots of gnome components on my system
16:04:40fugalhjust has to run "apt-get gnucash"
16:05:00Bonez39what are you running, fugalh?
16:05:11fugalhin fact, gnucash is the very package that converted me to debian. installing it on redhat wa s a royal pain
16:05:20fugalhwith debian, it was cake.
16:05:54Bonez39really...that easy, eh?
16:05:59fugalhyup
16:06:05Bonez39I am running caldera...but that raises another question....
16:06:08BradipoOh, debian is so easy.
16:06:12BradipoOnce it's installed.
16:06:27fozz:)
16:06:49BradipoWhat's the other question?
16:07:25Bonez39well, I read about installing a kernel from the source, and bailing out on the distro allegience....
16:07:34Bonez39any cons or pros to doing that, from any of you?
16:07:59Bonez39aside from the work of compiling and installing the kernal source updates....what other challenges..?
16:08:18BradipoWell, if you install from source you have to maintain your own patches.
16:08:31Bradipoi.e. If there is a kernel exploit discovered, you would need to update your kernel yourself.
16:08:38BradipoRather than download an RPM with the patch.
16:09:05BradipoBut in each scenario you would need to be alerted to the fact that there was a security update available.
16:09:18fugalhthe kernel-package debian package makes installing your kernel in a debian-firendly way a snap
16:09:36fugalhthen, if you want to change to another kernel you compile, or someone else compiles, it's just apt-get again.
16:09:45fugalhi always use my own kernel
16:09:45BradipoSo, while it isn't hard to maintain your own kernel, it can be hard to stay on top of security updates.
16:09:54BradipoI always use my own kernel as well. :-)
16:11:31somebody said here was a pic, the silk screening isnt perfect, it is more of a cream than white, but it was just a test http://www.tuxboxproject.com/images/Jan16_01.JPG
16:11:31fozzeuler: Still here?
16:11:58eulerfozz: Yup.
16:12:08fozzYou have QuickTime?
16:12:28BradipoNice toes...
16:12:36eulerNo, I horked up the windows side of my laptop, and I haven't gotten it on linux yet.
16:12:50fozzAt home?
16:13:09eulerI do have it at home.  There something you want me to look at when I get there?
16:13:09fozzI mean, do you have QuickTime at home?
16:13:15fozzYeah. :)
16:18:15byronfugalh: all I had to do was type emerge gnucash
16:19:05Jayce^byron: you running under gcc 3.1 yet?  I know gentoo has it, but are you?
16:19:32byronno, i'm still with 2.95.3... i think i'm going to test out gcc3.1 on a machine at my house
16:20:19Jayce^k, I was wondering how gentoo handles some of those thing that don't work too well with gcc 3.x
16:21:05fugalhbyron: yeah, the cpu-intensive cousin of debian. :)
16:21:47byronwhat doesn't seem to work with gcc3.x?
16:22:15byronfugalh: that's right, i sure wish they would stop changing their mozilla build, that one takes forever
16:23:03Jayce^byron: a couple of kde sections (multimedia and one other) and a couple smaller things..
16:23:27Jayce^without a certain patch, mozilla get's a funky cursor too..  it's in their bugzilla
16:32:03byrondo the smgl spells also install patches before building?
16:32:03Jayce^can, if needed
16:32:04byronok, because a lot of the gentoo packages apply patches before building and looking at the changelogs, most of them fix gcc3.1 problems
16:32:04Jayce^supposedly that issue will be fixed with the upcoming gcc 3.1.1 version..
16:32:06fugalhfwiw, I got a solution for the shortcut keys in windowmaker with debian
16:32:06Jayce^says quietly to byron, "This time next week, I'll be in a conference room in San Diego"
16:32:06Jayce^;D
16:32:08Bonez39what's the best way to upgrade from kde2 to kde3?
16:32:09system is probably still totally responsive but its as if the video just dies
16:32:09Jayce^what system?
16:32:10Bonez39caldera 3.1 workstation
16:32:11Jayce^they've probably got rpms then for their setup
16:32:11Bonez39I would happily get the source and do that route if I knew how to attack it..
16:32:11Jayce^well, the INSTALL file explains that then..
16:32:23byroninstalling kde3 from source can be a beast
16:32:33byronmostly just getting the right libraries installed first
16:32:51Jayce^yeah
16:33:16BradipoDoes Debian have packages for KDE3 yet?
16:33:22Bonez39byron: oh, I know that hell very well....from source..
16:33:40BradipoI thought I saw a webpage that had them, but they weren't yet in the official debian sites.
16:34:00tensaiBradipo: not in unstable. There's unofficial ones.
16:36:38tensaiBradipo: see http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~pc99/debian/kde3.html for more info
16:45:56Bonez39boo
16:46:00Bonez39where'd everyone go?
16:47:56fugalh Ping reply from Bonez39 : 0.94 second(s
16:50:35byronstill here
16:50:47BradipoSame here, just busy.
16:52:38byronhere comes the evil word, time to reboot
16:57:51Jayce^SysInfo: Linux 2.4.18-6mdk | AMD Athlon(TM) XP1800+ @ 1545MHz | BogoMIPS: 3080.19 | Mem: 303MB/514MB 7[3|||||14-----7] | Diskspace: 37GB/50GB 7[3|||||||14---7] | Screen Res: 2880x1200 | Procs: 83 | ppp0: In: 0.0MB Out: 0.0MB | Uptime: 4 days, 19 hours 12 minutes | Users: 1 | Load: 1.48, 1.01, 0.51
16:58:04Jayce^gotta throw this on my smgl box..
17:02:12Jayce^Network stats: In: 64.6MB Out: 21.4MB
17:03:23BradipoNice.
17:03:38Jayce^man I love this box..
17:03:46BradipoI bet.
17:03:54BradipoYou've already used up 37GB...
17:04:06Jayce^lotsa mp3's ;D
17:04:07BradipoDual-headed?
17:04:14Jayce^yup
17:04:22Jayce^hence the funny resolution
17:04:24BradipoYep.
18:54:08Jayce^hey BZFlag, are we actually online at the same time?
18:59:48BZFlagJayce^: wow. imagine that.
19:00:04BZFlagwhat's up with plug.org?
19:01:11BZFlaghey, it's back! ;-)
19:02:22Aelhazy0
19:04:13fozzHi.
19:04:22fozzBZFlag: Hey.
19:05:06Jayce^yup
19:05:14Jayce^they had the DNS pointing wrong
19:05:39fozzI understand some "dan" person has a grave dug for him.
19:05:56BZFlagdan?
19:06:18BZFlagJayce^: loved your zaurus news on plug. ;-) got one?
19:06:29fozz^C5309:29PM^C^O|^C56<^C^Ojayce_^C^O^C56>^C^O arrrggghhh...  dan switched the plug site to the wrong server
19:06:36BZFlagOpenZaurus has had that fixed for quite sometime
19:06:38fozzWoooooo. Control chars.
19:07:07fozz09:29PM|<jayce_> arrrggghhh...  dan switched the plug site to the wrong server
19:07:15fozzThere we go. Perl is a wonderful language.
19:07:25Jayce^hehe
19:08:17fozzNice looking site, guys.
19:08:25fozzI wish FSLC's looked that good. :)
19:09:06fozzThey're working on a new site, but they're still working within an AOLServer framework. (ugh)
19:09:25fozzSounds like I need to move to Orem where people will appreciate my Perl hacking skills. :)
19:10:43Jayce^no, I wish I did
19:11:10fozzemits a confused look.
19:11:26Jayce^BZFlag: no non-pc linux devices
19:13:48Aelhazyou could always buy a tuxscreen
19:13:54BZFlaghttp://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/ <- check #146
19:14:25Jayce^can't afford anything right now, just had to pay for OSCON
19:15:18BZFlagTuxScreen is only $99, but only about 50 left.
19:15:44Jayce^wow, only $50, you moved a lot of those things..
19:16:05BZFlag$99. 50 units.
19:16:20Jayce^sorry, didn't mean to put thte $ there..
19:16:46Jayce^in the middle of coding, the $ comes too naturally ;D
19:16:56BZFlag$really?
19:17:15BZFlaggrins
19:17:27Jayce^hehe
19:17:28tensaichuckles too;
19:20:11Bonez39greetings
19:21:10Jayce^so, anybody here familiar with doing telephony services on linux boxen?
19:22:27BZFlagJayce^: they are doing VoIP on the tuxscreen now.
19:23:45tensaiJayce^: I've looked at GNU Bayonne. Nice but I had no clue what I was doing.
19:26:31Bonez39linux boxen?
19:27:56Bonez39linux boxing? boxes?
19:28:07Bonez39forgive me, Jayce...but that made me laugh
19:29:01Jayce^BZFlag: schweeet..
19:29:02Jayce^basically, my company has been working with another company for doing some, but now wants (me) to develop an in-house version...
19:29:22AelhazI installed debian/woody on an old powermac a couple weeks ago
19:29:33Aelhazwoody needs a *lot of work on ppc
19:30:07Aelhazbut i was pleasantly surprised that it installed and worked, unlike all the commercial ppc distros I'd tried
19:31:54tensaiJayce^: what's it need to do?
19:35:55BZFlagJayce^: well, the tux is a cheap prototype system, but they will run out soon, so you would need something elase for deployment.
19:47:19Jayce^sorry, had to go afk for a second..
19:47:38Jayce^basically, it's gotta be a large voice mail system, plus be able to do a lot of outside calls..
19:48:00Jayce^lot more than tux-screen could probably do ;D
19:53:48Nafaiwaves from FSLC-land
19:54:03Jayce^'lo
19:58:59NafaiHi BZFlag
20:03:27BZFlaghey
20:04:26NafaiWhat's up today?
20:05:35Bonez39back later
20:46:47fozzHi Nafai
20:46:58NafaiHi fozz
20:52:27Jayce^yaaaay
20:52:43Jayce^hey HarleyPig, check this
20:52:45Jayce^SysInfo: Linux 2.4.18-6mdk | AMD Athlon(TM) XP1800+ @ 1545MHz | BogoMIPS: 3080.19 | Mem: 220MB/514MB 7[3||||14------7] | Diskspace: 38GB/50GB 7[3|||||||14---7] | Screen Res: 2880x1200 | Procs: 93 | eth0: In: 106.3MB Out: 751.1MB | Uptime: 4 days, 23 hours 07 minutes | Users: 1 | Load: 0.00, 0.06, 0.17
20:52:49Jayce^look at the resolution ;D
20:53:49HarleyPigYeah yeah ... what screen size?
20:54:11Jayce^19" and 17", side by side ;D
20:54:16Jayce^same video card ;D
20:54:29HarleyPigAh ... dual video ... oh ... mirrored monitors?
20:54:57Jayce^no..  dual..  geforce4..  can run two
20:56:04HarleyPigis going to ignore Jayce^ from now on.
20:56:16Jayce^hehe
20:59:28Jayce^HarleyPig: remember that old 17" I had on gemini?  well my card came with the cheaper little adaptor that converts DVI to VGA, letting me use it..
20:59:41BZFlagscreen #0:
20:59:42BZFlag  dimensions:    3200x1200 pixels (812x305 millimeters)
21:00:37Jayce^nice..
21:00:39BZFlagmatrox g450 with dual 19" each 1600x1200. glx/xvideo accell in one.
21:01:34Jayce^for some reason, it won't let me run the 19" at 1920x1440 when I'm running multimon..  kinda annoying.. and the 17" can only do 1280x1027 (1200 in virtual)
21:01:53BZFlagit'll do 1900x1440 on each, but that's overkill. ;-)
21:02:08BZFlager 1920. you were right.
21:02:21Jayce^nice..
21:02:31BZFlagoops meeting...
21:02:37Jayce^later
21:03:32NafaiYou guys are making me jealous
21:03:50Jayce^heh.. just got this setup this last week..
21:05:03NafaiI'm stuck with 1280x1024 on one 17"
21:26:22Nafaieuler: You're not allowed here!  You're from Idaho!
21:26:39Jayce^idaho == North Utah
21:26:42eulerNoooo, my secret's out...
21:26:56eulerHi Nafai.  Love you too man :)
21:27:04Nafaieuler: Oh, any day. :)
21:27:38eulerI lived in Utah for 22 years.  It will take a while before I am completely Idaho-ized...
21:28:00NafaiWell, I lived in Idaho for 18, Utah for 5.  So sue me.
21:28:05eulers/22/24
21:28:13eulerIt's already happening.  I can't count.
21:28:20Jayce^idaho 2, utah 5
21:30:18eulerSmarties make Dr. Pepper fizz...
21:41:53BZFlagwell you might could hang out here then
21:56:51Jayce^hehe
21:57:05Jayce^nifty plugin
21:59:37Jayce^1 Nephi 1:1 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, therefore I was taught somewhat in all the learning of my father; and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless, having been highly favored of the Lord in all my days; yea, having had a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I make a record of my proceedings in my days. -Book of Mormon-
22:00:59NafaiMormon Spam!
22:00:59Nafai:)
22:01:47HarleyPig:)
22:02:05Jayce^hehe
22:02:30Jayce^pretty spiffy... can add in the quran even..
22:03:06HarleyPigWhat about perldoc?
22:03:34Jayce^doesn't have that..
22:13:17HarleyPig is nothing but a culturally-unsound coagulation of measled red dye number-9.
22:13:17Jayce^ibot: insult HarleyPig
22:13:38HarleyPig: sorry...
22:13:38HarleyPigibot: That's beneath you.
22:13:41HarleyPig:)
22:13:43Jayce^hehe
22:17:02HarleyPigDoes ibot have a plug headline function?
22:17:12Jayce^no..
22:17:19HarleyPigWell, that sucks.
22:17:38Jayce^might be able to make one.. it has slash, and I'm sure there is an rss feed tool or something..
22:17:49ibot is nothing but a weedy enema-bucketful of evil anal warts.
22:17:49Aelhazibot: insult ibot
22:18:09HarleyPigHmmm ... where is ibot source?
22:18:30Jayce^eggdrop?
22:18:32BradipoIt's probably eggdrop.
22:18:55HarleyPigOh ... who's running it?
22:19:43Jayce^I think BZFlag, it was here before I was..
22:20:05well, i am "the" bot around
22:20:05Aelhazibot, what are you?
22:20:11Aelhazhe's an infobot
22:20:16i don't know, harleypig
22:20:16HarleyPigibot where is your source?
22:20:21HarleyPig:]
22:20:33AelhazI forget, does he have zippyisms?
22:20:34Here we are in America ... when do we collect unemployment?
22:20:34AelhazYOW!
22:20:36Aelhazyep
22:20:44Aelhazbut no homerisms
22:20:46AelhazDoh!
22:20:54Jayce^dang
22:20:56i don't know, harleypig
22:20:56HarleyPigibot: Homer Simpson?
22:21:08Jayce^YOW!
22:21:16Jayce^dang
22:21:33Jayce^karma HarleyPig
22:21:44wish i knew, jayce^
22:21:44Jayce^ibot karma HarleyPig?
22:22:00Aelhazquipu may be the only infobot with the homerisms list, i think buzzard compiled it by hand.
22:22:26HarleyPigJayce^--
22:22:30jayce^ has karma of -1
22:22:30HarleyPigibot karma Jayce^
22:22:35HarleyPigJayce^++
22:22:37jayce^ has neutral karma
22:22:37HarleyPigibot karma Jayce^
22:22:37Jayce^hey!
22:22:40Jayce^there we go..
22:22:44Jayce^HarleyPig++
22:22:51HarleyPigWhy, thanks.
22:22:55Jayce^Perl++
22:22:59Jayce^gotta do that..
22:23:02perl has karma of 1
22:23:02HarleyPigibot karma Perl
22:23:07perl has karma of 1
22:23:07HarleyPigibot karma perl
22:23:17HarleyPigpython--
22:23:20HarleyPigruby--
22:23:20ibot has karma of 9
22:23:20Bradipoibot karma ibot
22:23:24Jayce^php--
22:23:34Jayce^zope--
22:23:35HarleyPigcobol--
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22:23:38Jayce^oh yeha
22:23:42Jayce^Java--
22:23:49cobol has karma of -4
22:23:49Jayce^ibot: karma cobol
22:23:50HarleyPigparrot++
22:23:53Jayce^woohoo
22:24:01HarleyPigsnobol--
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22:24:09HarleyPigada++
22:24:12HarleyPigsmalltalk--
22:24:13Jayce^Lisp--
22:24:17HarleyPigemacs--
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22:24:23HarleyPig:]
22:24:23Jayce^vi++
22:24:25Jayce^vim++
22:24:47Perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl
22:24:47Jayce^ibot: what is Perl?
22:24:56HarleyPig?
22:25:10...but perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl...
22:25:10HarleyPigibot: Perl is http://www.perl.com
22:25:12Jayce^looks like he's got it on a wiki
22:25:15Aelhazibots learn information by gleaning it off the channels they're on
22:25:20Aelhazinfobots, even
22:25:23ibots are cool
22:25:23Aelhazibot, ibots?
22:25:28okay, Jayce^.
22:25:28Jayce^ibot Perl is also at http://www.perl.com
22:25:30Aelhazand he's not listening very closely
22:25:35HarleyPigWhat?
22:25:49Jayce^you have to say "it's also"
22:25:54Aelhazoh yeah
22:25:55Jayce^or delete the original entry
22:25:57HarleyPigoh.
22:26:18Aelhazquipu often appends stuff anyway, might be running with different options
22:26:52Aelhazhe's getting pretty good, when we were on chatnet with him, turkish teenagers would wander by in the middle of the night and lose arguments with him
22:27:00harleypig: i don't know
22:27:00HarleyPigibot, what is your real name?
22:27:19harleypig: no idea
22:27:19HarleyPigibot has amnesia and doesn't know where its source is!
22:27:31HarleyPigoh, hush ibot
22:29:26HarleyPigAh ... ibot's source is at www.infobot.org
22:29:56HarleyPigooooo ... factpacks!
22:30:18Jayce^cool
22:30:40HarleyPig: i'm not following you...
22:30:40HarleyPigibot has a dict interface!  w00t!
22:30:48balizaranybody know of a way to make a html textbox display text using html tags
22:31:11Jayce^textarea, or input type="text" ?
22:31:15HarleyPigbalizar: I don't think that's possible.
22:31:26Jayce^yes it is..
22:31:46HarleyPig<textarea><b>Will show bold?</b></textarea>
22:31:52Jayce^<textares cols="10" rows="10">Data</textarea>
22:32:03Jayce^no, that will show the text itself..
22:32:09balizar<textarea name=foo><font color=#ffffff>foo</font></textarea>
22:32:31HarleyPigJayce^: I know ... that's why I said I don't think it's possible.
22:32:32Jayce^oh, you want the text inside the box formatted.. can't do that without an iframe, and you dont' want that ;D
22:32:43HarleyPigheh
22:32:57HarleyPigHmmm ... can you modify the text in an iframe like a textarea tag?
22:33:25Jayce^guess maybe we should add a PLUG bot, or provopm bot. ;D
22:33:44HarleyPigHeh ... infobot *is* in perl ...
22:34:33HarleyPighmmm ... what's openprojects policy on bots?
22:35:05Jayce^think it's the rooms policy (*think*)
22:35:38Jayce^so HarleyPig, less than a week
22:35:48HarleyPigGo away.
22:36:08Jayce^this time, next week, I'll be just finishing my second tutorial ;D
22:36:16balizardoesn't look like iframes are editable like a text area from what I have read about them
22:37:24HarleyPig#openproject sez it's ok.
22:38:12HarleyPigI can put infobot up on misspiggy if that's all right.
22:38:45Jayce^*snicker*  watch your mouth in this room ;D
22:38:57HarleyPigpervert! :/
22:39:07HarleyPiguh, that's supposed to be :]
22:40:10Since Mon Jul 15 08:29:09 2002, there have been 15 modifications and 54 questions.  I have been awake for 15 hours, 11 minutes, 1 second this session, and currently reference 6552 factoids. Addressing is in required mode.
22:40:10HarleyPigibot status
22:41:55clerks can be found at http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?title=clerks&type=fuzzy
22:41:55HarleyPigibot imdb for clerks
22:42:04office space can be found at http://www.imdb.com/M/title-substring?title=office+space&type=fuzzy
22:42:04HarleyPigibot imdb for office space
22:42:25HarleyPig: excuse me?
22:42:25HarleyPigibot webstore for lucre
22:42:32HarleyPigwhoops
22:42:37lucre may be sought at http://work.ucsd.edu:5141/cgi-bin/http_webster?lucre
22:42:37HarleyPigibot webster for lucre
22:43:03Jayce^ibot zulutime
22:43:03Jayce^: 152243Z
22:43:20HarleyPig: Your Pentium has a heating problem - try cooling it with ice cold water.(Do not turn of your computer, you do not want to cool down the Pentium Chip while he isn't working, do you?)
22:43:20HarleyPigibot excuse
22:44:04HarleyPigWhat's the rss feed for plug?
22:45:13Jayce^for a single section?
22:45:19Jayce^hehe.
22:45:28HarleyPigNo, for the main page.
22:45:43Jayce^ /plug.rss  /plug.rdf /plug.wml, /plug.xml
22:46:33HarleyPig: huh?
22:46:33HarleyPigibot <rss="http://www.plug.org/plug.rss">
22:46:37HarleyPigHmmm ...
22:46:59Jayce^dont' you have to give it a command to go with that?
22:47:15HarleyPigProbably, but the docs just have that.
22:47:29HarleyPigMaybe
22:47:38HarleyPig: huh?
22:47:38HarleyPigibot rss=http://www.plug.org/plug.rss
22:47:42HarleyPigOh well.
22:48:05Jayce^have you tried ibot's help yet?
22:48:21HarleyPigyeah ...
22:48:22BZFlagprobably needs an infobot module. see the current slash one. if someone mails me one I'd be happy to add it to ibot.
22:48:35HarleyPigno help rss
22:49:07HarleyPigBZFlag: the docs aren't clear on it ... but I'll see what I can come up with.
22:50:00BZFlagHarleyPig: it's easy enough to checkout the sources and set up a test bot. then hack the module till you like it and mail it to me.
22:50:04Jayce^just copy the slashdot function, and change it to plug
22:50:31HarleyPig:/ I know this ... I haven't downloaded the source yet ... just reading the docs so far.
22:50:35Jayce^just needs a name and url change..
22:50:38HarleyPigAvoiding my real work. :>
22:50:51HarleyPigBZFlag: What version ar eyou using?
22:51:17BZFlag: i'm not following you...
22:51:17BZFlagibot version
22:51:30BZFlag-ibot- VERSION infobot 0.45.3 [Wurm]
22:51:59BZFlagslashdot uses lwp to get: http://www.slashdot.org/slashdot.xml
22:51:59HarleyPigOk.  Thanks.
22:58:47Plug - Updated 2002-07-15 17:40:22 | Memory Links | Walmart adds Mandrake options to low-cost systems | Zaurus Security Hole | BBQ
22:58:47BZFlagibot plug
22:58:55BZFlagbetter?
22:59:52HarleyPigCool ... easy change then, I take it. :>
23:00:06BZFlagyep. I took the simple copy and hack approach.
23:00:19HarleyPig:>
23:00:52BZFlagwould be cooler if you could set a reply ie: ibot: plug is <slashdot>http://www.plug.org/plug/  or similar.
23:01:10HarleyPigIt'd be nice to have it check on a frequent basis and announce an article as soon as it's published.  I'll see what I can come up with.
23:01:27HarleyPigBZFlag: Not following what you mean here.
23:02:15BZFlagie: the module should/could be useable from a standard infobot is/are record so anyone could add new sites.
23:02:19Jayce^yeah
23:02:43HarleyPigOh, yes.  Definitely.
23:02:45BZFlagdon't think I want ibot checking sites without being asked though.
23:03:00Jayce^: excuse me?
23:03:00Jayce^ibot DDOS plug
23:03:04Jayce^hehe
23:03:07BZFlaghehe
23:03:08HarleyPigReally?  Why?
23:03:09HarleyPig:>
23:03:43HarleyPigI wouldn't mind a notification as soon as an article is pushed, but that's just me.
23:03:46BZFlagI'd like to convert the webster interface so it actually displays the result, not the url.
23:03:55Jayce^oohh
23:04:00HarleyPigWell, there is a DICT.pl plugin.
23:04:28BZFlagoh, it should be easy to do, use lwp and parse the result it all.
23:04:46BZFlaggoogle (from ibot) is broken at present too.
23:04:52BZFlagibot search google for tim riker
23:04:57BZFlag: Google can't find tim riker
23:05:03BZFlagyeah right.
23:05:25Jayce^so anyways, I need to find out some good telephony hardware for linux, and learn how to get it set up..
23:05:58Jayce^the place we're using right now has all win2k stuff, so I'm happy to switch..
23:06:23Jayce^of course they have 8 servers, each with a t3 of their own ;D
23:39:11arthowdy-hey
23:40:09HarleyPig'lo

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