| 00:00:26 | BZFlag | Jayce^: that's you issue, no? |
| 00:01:10 | BZFlag | s/you/your/ sheesh. |
| 00:08:16 | scott | hi kreg |
| 00:08:24 | Mr_Kreg | howdy people |
| 00:08:44 | Mr_Kreg | new channel? |
| 00:10:01 | steven33 | Apparently, I just got email from the SLUG mailing list today |
| 00:10:05 | steven33 | telling me about it |
| 00:10:56 | BZFlag | I just set it up today. |
| 00:10:58 | Mr_Kreg | i got a request to put the notice of #utah on my lug site up here in Ogden |
| 00:11:05 | Mr_Kreg | don't see why not i guess |
| 00:11:50 | BZFlag | Mr_Kreg: that was from me. I just figure there are a lot of Linux/OpenSource hackers in Utah, and it would be nice to have a place to chat informally. |
| 00:12:07 | BZFlag | started as a mail thread on UUG and I figured "Why not?" ;-) |
| 00:12:07 | Mr_Kreg | that's cool. sounds like fun |
| 00:18:29 | BZFlag | Jayce^: ping? http://plug.org/ ? |
| 00:38:12 | Rama | Cool - I was waiting for someone to organize a PLUG irc channel! Thanks Tim (are you BZFlag?)! |
| 00:54:17 | BZFlag | Rama: yeah. |
| 00:54:21 | | you are TimRiker, CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) or a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 00:54:21 | BZFlag | ibot bzflag |
| 01:18:09 | fusedmeld | howdy |
| 01:27:26 | fozz | howdy howdy |
| 01:27:43 | fozz | Hi scott |
| 01:30:27 | scott | hey fozz |
| 01:30:43 | scott | did bzflag post the channel to FSLC? |
| 01:31:25 | scott | he was posting it everywhere, to all the utah unix groups, wonder if he realized FSLC already has a channel |
| 01:34:19 | fozz | Someone did |
| 01:34:35 | fozz | I dunno. |
| 01:36:58 | fozz | Is that Riker? |
| 01:37:06 | fozz | I got it on FSLC and SLLUG lists. |
| 01:40:47 | fozz | Hey Kreg |
| 01:41:36 | Mr_Kreg | hey what's up |
| 01:41:42 | fozz | I dunno. |
| 01:41:42 | fozz | :) |
| 01:41:50 | Mr_Kreg | so where do i find out more about unix groups around here? |
| 01:41:55 | fozz | That picture on your homepage makes you look cool. ;) |
| 01:42:05 | Mr_Kreg | heh bounus |
| 01:42:20 | Mr_Kreg | nothing like the quality if random |
| 01:42:30 | fozz | Well, I'm in Logan. |
| 01:42:37 | fozz | We have the Free Software and Linux Club at USU. |
| 01:42:39 | Mr_Kreg | s/if/of |
| 01:42:55 | Mr_Kreg | you a student there? |
| 01:42:59 | fozz | Used to be. |
| 01:42:59 | fozz | I |
| 01:43:08 | fozz | I'm a... uhm... a "professional" now. |
| 01:43:14 | Mr_Kreg | ah i c |
| 01:43:26 | Mr_Kreg | ya that's what i call my self at work too |
| 01:43:29 | Mr_Kreg | feels good |
| 01:43:31 | fozz | heh. |
| 01:43:56 | Mr_Kreg | big deal if i just sit there scratching my head all day |
| 01:44:08 | fozz | It's nice when you have a job like that. |
| 01:44:38 | Mr_Kreg | it's nothing fancy. belive you me |
| 01:44:48 | fozz | I used to like it when I could say my employment was like an insurance policy - they kept me around in case things went horribly wrong. Otherwise, I could just play Quake and read Slashdot. |
| 01:45:03 | Mr_Kreg | lol |
| 01:45:05 | fozz | I work out of my home now... so it's not quite the same anymore. |
| 01:45:18 | Mr_Kreg | so does usu have a computer engineering degreE> |
| 01:45:22 | fozz | yes. |
| 01:45:26 | fozz | And Computer Science. |
| 01:45:29 | Mr_Kreg | cool |
| 01:45:35 | Mr_Kreg | i wouldn't make it through cs |
| 01:45:50 | fozz | And Business Info Systems... AKA "Visual Basic Geek" |
| 01:45:57 | Mr_Kreg | ya heh |
| 01:46:05 | Mr_Kreg | picture goes here |
| 01:46:32 | fozz | The Computer Engineering program at USU is pretty electrical engineering intensive. |
| 01:46:46 | fozz | I started out in EE and went to CS because of all the differential equations. Hurt my head. |
| 01:46:53 | Mr_Kreg | that's how it was back up in idaho |
| 01:49:27 | fozz | Wow. I had no idea there was an Ogden LUG |
| 01:49:37 | fozz | (Still looking at Kreg's website) |
| 01:50:17 | Mr_Kreg | heck ya, we got at least 7 people! |
| 01:50:21 | fozz | OH dang it. Missed the meeting. |
| 01:50:37 | Mr_Kreg | coffee table and couchs dude |
| 01:50:40 | fozz | I know a couple guys who'd be interested. |
| 01:50:51 | fozz | I'm going to send them the Earl. :) |
| 01:50:56 | Mr_Kreg | coo.l |
| 01:56:50 | fozz | Mr_Kreg: What Linux distributions are you familiar with? |
| 01:56:57 | Mr_Kreg | slackware |
| 01:57:35 | fozz | I used to use Slackware... |
| 01:57:40 | fozz | 8 years ago, I think. :) |
| 01:57:53 | fozz | I'm sure it's changed, some. |
| 01:58:13 | Mr_Kreg | it's nothing fancy |
| 01:58:19 | Mr_Kreg | just basicly a slack distro |
| 01:58:29 | Mr_Kreg | i use it just cuz it's easy to understand |
| 02:13:01 | Mr_Kreg | fozz: where's the moo from?! |
| 02:13:25 | fozz | heh. I think there's some information on that on the site somewhere. |
| 02:18:34 | Jayce^ | is back (gone 02:53:08) |
| 02:20:04 | Jayce^ | Rama: you back in utah or something.. |
| 02:21:23 | | Jayce^: i'm not following you... |
| 02:21:23 | Jayce^ | ibot Jayce^ |
| 02:21:51 | | OK, Jayce^. |
| 02:21:51 | Jayce^ | ibot: Jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) |
| 02:21:59 | | Jayce^ is probably the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) |
| 02:21:59 | Jayce^ | ibot Jayce^ |
| 02:25:04 | | okay, Jayce^. |
| 02:25:04 | Jayce^ | ibot: Jayce^ is also a Perl Monger |
| 02:25:09 | | well, Jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger |
| 02:25:09 | Jayce^ | ibot Jayce^ |
| 02:44:21 | Jayce^ | hey loren.. |
| 02:44:27 | ScorpKing | hi jayce |
| 02:44:40 | ScorpKing | sorry about both of me |
| 02:44:54 | ScorpKing | checking out the irc capabilities of gaim |
| 02:44:56 | | OK, fozz. |
| 02:44:56 | fozz | ibot: fozz is President of Iodynamics and Yet-Another-Perl-Hacker |
| 02:45:09 | fozz | gaim is pretty cool. |
| 02:45:34 | ScorpKing | yeah, it's pretty cool for IM, but i dont think i like it's chat room interface |
| 02:45:48 | fozz | I prefer epic or xchat for IRC. |
| 02:45:50 | LrnChndlr | pukes |
| 02:46:01 | fozz | wha? What did I say? |
| 02:46:08 | ScorpKing | this is me in X-Chat |
| 02:46:17 | LrnChndlr | this is me in gaim |
| 02:46:33 | fozz | ScorpKing == LrnChndlr? |
| 02:46:49 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 02:47:03 | LrnChndlr2 | ok, i'll stick with x-chat |
| 02:47:05 | fozz | I'll be right back. |
| 02:47:25 | Jayce^ | hey ScorpKing |
| 02:47:25 | Jayce^ | tries figuring out if he knows ScorpKing.. |
| 02:47:39 | fozz | Epic+Light now. |
| 02:48:52 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: I've been to a few plug meetings, and i am on the pluglist as well (and perlmongers, and I thing on the uug list too) |
| 02:49:14 | fozz | I'm so happy to find other Perl enthusiasts! |
| 02:49:19 | fozz | jumps up and down. |
| 02:49:33 | fozz | It seems almost everyone else in the Logan FSLC hates Perl. |
| 02:49:38 | LrnChndlr | fozz: I like Perl and PHP equally |
| 02:49:43 | fozz | pukes |
| 02:49:44 | fozz | :) |
| 02:49:50 | LrnChndlr | heh hehe |
| 02:50:06 | fozz | Please don't get me started on PHP. :) |
| 02:50:16 | LrnChndlr | i wont |
| 02:50:19 | fozz | I "graduated" from PHP to Perl back in `97 or so. :) |
| 02:50:29 | fozz | But I did some very cool stuff with PHP before then. |
| 02:50:36 | fozz | That was with PHP2 even. :) |
| 02:51:26 | fozz | Anyone know abotu this aboutws.com Perl job that has been circulated? |
| 02:52:18 | fozz | (in Orem) |
| 02:52:33 | LrnChndlr | nope |
| 02:53:01 | Jayce^ | tries figuring out if he knows ScorpKing.. |
| 02:53:05 | Jayce^ | wow, that was a funky connection drop for me.. |
| 02:53:40 | fozz | bbiab |
| 02:54:09 | Jayce^ | sorry about my little delay there.. |
| 02:54:18 | Jayce^ | connection flaked for a minute.. |
| 02:54:28 | | i already had it that way, LrnChndlr. |
| 02:54:28 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: I've been to a few plug meetings, and i am on the pluglist as well (and perlmongers, and I thing on the uug list too) |
| 02:54:30 | Jayce^ | Perl Perl Perl.. |
| 02:54:40 | Jayce^ | yeah, just didnt' know your other name there.. |
| 02:54:51 | LrnChndlr | perl php perl php perl php |
| 02:54:59 | LrnChndlr | == Loren |
| 02:55:04 | | rumour has it Jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger |
| 02:55:04 | Jayce^ | ibot Jayce^? |
| 02:55:41 | LrnChndlr | is ibot eggdrop? |
| 02:55:47 | | somebody said i was "the" bot around |
| 02:55:47 | LrnChndlr | ibot ibot? |
| 02:55:47 | Jayce^ | I'm guessing.. |
| 02:56:38 | LrnChndlr | karma Jayce^ |
| 02:56:59 | | jayce^ has neutral karma |
| 02:56:59 | LrnChndlr | ibot karma Jayce^ |
| 02:57:18 | | Jayce^ is nothing but a gleeking coagulation of fawning rat-farts. |
| 02:57:18 | LrnChndlr | ibot insult Jayce^ |
| 02:57:20 | | Slashdot - Updated 2002-07-13 03:08:45 | China: the New Global High-Tech Power | Metropolis Reconstructed | 2.6 and 2.7 Release Management | Cable Boxes with 802.11 |
| 02:57:20 | Jayce^ | ibot: slashdot |
| 02:57:20 | LrnChndlr | hehe just kidding |
| 02:57:58 | | Jayce^: excuse me? |
| 02:57:58 | Jayce^ | ibot: acro plug |
| 02:58:04 | | Jayce^: what? |
| 02:58:04 | Jayce^ | ibot: acro PLUG |
| 02:58:08 | Jayce^ | hrmm |
| 02:58:10 | LrnChndlr | !seen Jayce^ |
| 02:59:19 | LrnChndlr | ibot internic Jayce^ |
| 02:59:39 | LrnChndlr | maybe it doesnt work that way |
| 03:00:13 | | BZFlag was last seen on #tuxscreen 1 hours, 45 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: remember it needs to be a _new_ kernel. or it will try to mount using the old partitioning. [Sat Jul 13 02:15:08 2002] |
| 03:00:13 | Jayce^ | ibot: seen BZFlag |
| 03:00:23 | Jayce^ | ibot internic LrnChndlr |
| 03:00:45 | LrnChndlr | ibot internic www.plug.org |
| 03:00:49 | Jayce^ | searching.. searching.. |
| 03:01:09 | Jayce^ | uug.. uh oh.. those wierdos ;D |
| 03:01:11 | LrnChndlr | hi david smith |
| 03:01:13 | uugDave | So, this is the place. |
| 03:01:31 | Jayce^ | ugh.. I wonder how many times we'll hear that line in the next few days... ;D |
| 03:01:37 | Jayce^ | uugDave++ |
| 03:01:39 | uugDave | :) |
| 03:01:51 | uugDave | uugDave = new ircMember(); |
| 03:01:54 | LrnChndlr | what brigham actually said was 'this is a blight and a discrace', but he was sick and no one could understand him |
| 03:02:00 | | uugdave has karma of 1 |
| 03:02:00 | Jayce^ | ibot karma uugDave |
| 03:02:09 | Jayce^ | k, just making sure he was catching those. |
| 03:02:24 | uugDave | Hmm. I'm new to IRC... |
| 03:02:47 | LrnChndlr | uugDave: type /msg ibot help |
| 03:02:49 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr: I'm inclined to believe you.. being from the pacific northwest I think of Utah as somewhat akin to the armpit of the world next to the zion I came from.. |
| 03:03:09 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: I'm from Missouri, the true Zion ;) |
| 03:03:17 | | jayce^ has neutral karma |
| 03:03:17 | uugDave | ibot karma Jayce^ |
| 03:03:30 | | uugdave is nothing but an hasty-witted mound of uninspiring guano. |
| 03:03:30 | LrnChndlr | ibot insult uugdave |
| 03:03:35 | LrnChndlr | woah |
| 03:03:36 | Jayce^ | back in it's time missouri musta looked like seattle... |
| 03:03:47 | uugDave | Why you little ibot! |
| 03:04:16 | LrnChndlr | i hope missouri never looks like seattle |
| 03:04:24 | LrnChndlr | or else i will change my retirement plans |
| 03:04:41 | uugDave | Art, you alive or just a rampant floater? |
| 03:04:45 | Jayce^ | are you kidding, beautiful mountains, oceans.. |
| 03:04:58 | uugDave | How many UUG, PLUG members have we got in here? |
| 03:04:59 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: that's the rest of the state |
| 03:05:18 | Jayce^ | how many people are in more than one ;D |
| 03:05:27 | LrnChndlr | me |
| 03:05:29 | uugDave | raises hand |
| 03:05:31 | Jayce^ | betcha more come in on monday.. |
| 03:05:34 | LrnChndlr | 3 |
| 03:05:48 | LrnChndlr | i think i was on some kind of UVSC list too once |
| 03:06:01 | uugDave | I hear UVSClug is a little dead these days. |
| 03:06:07 | | Jayce^: Try a 4-letter station code (see http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/curcond.html for locations and codes) |
| 03:06:07 | Jayce^ | ibot: weather 84043 |
| 03:06:20 | Jayce^ | no zips.. dang. |
| 03:06:40 | Jayce^ | heh.. I signup up for uvsclug a long time ago.. I don't think I've ever received a message.. |
| 03:07:03 | uugDave | That's the story I hear a lot. Cool website though. |
| 03:08:34 | Jayce^ | man, I think I'm going to have to put in a redirect or something until dan or mike change the plug.org to go to www.plug.org |
| 03:09:17 | LrnChndlr | where is the DNS hosted? |
| 03:10:40 | UUG_Dave | is using Windows. |
| 03:10:46 | UUG_Dave | \q |
| 03:10:52 | UUG_Dave | D'oh. |
| 03:11:07 | uugDave | Much better. |
| 03:11:41 | uugDave | Just had an idea. |
| 03:11:42 | LrnChndlr | wow, Pine and Evolution are neck and neck on the plug poll |
| 03:12:03 | Jayce^ | LrnChndlr: it's at about. |
| 03:12:10 | uugDave | For our next UUG meeting, we should acquire a second projector dedicated to the chat room. |
| 03:12:16 | Jayce^ | poor uugDave |
| 03:12:28 | Jayce^ | uugDave--; #for using windows |
| 03:12:34 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 03:12:43 | uugDave | cout << uugDave << endl; |
| 03:12:43 | uugDave | -1 |
| 03:13:18 | Jayce^ | at the OSCON last year, it was great to be in the keynote debate between the open source people and mundie.. the irc rooms were crazy, since everyone there was on the wireless |
| 03:13:25 | Jayce^ | serious play by play coverage.. |
| 03:13:29 | uugDave | Good stuff. |
| 03:13:36 | LrnChndlr | uugDave: and we should do a live webcast so those not able to make it can hear what's going on and then comment via irc |
| 03:13:40 | uugDave | Did you hear about the live audio feed last night at UUG? |
| 03:13:52 | uugDave | T'was great. |
| 03:14:03 | uugDave | I listened in via XMMS and participated via Gaim. |
| 03:14:13 | uugDave | Video is forthcoming. |
| 03:14:31 | LrnChndlr | uugDave: what kind of internet connection do you have? |
| 03:14:34 | uugDave | DSL. |
| 03:14:43 | Jayce^ | scweet.. |
| 03:14:43 | LrnChndlr | with who? |
| 03:14:50 | Jayce^ | going to have to get that at PLUG |
| 03:14:58 | uugDave | Qwest and through my employer |
| 03:15:12 | LrnChndlr | caldera? |
| 03:15:32 | uugDave | No, I'd rather not mention. I'm working through some employment-related issues currently. |
| 03:15:52 | Jayce^ | oh fun.. |
| 03:15:55 | LrnChndlr | ah |
| 03:15:56 | uugDave | Indeed. |
| 03:16:04 | Jayce^ | I hate those.. |
| 03:16:10 | uugDave | Ah, the wife calls. Must retire for the evening. Hope to be back soon. |
| 03:16:26 | Jayce^ | ditto for me.. sick kid.. |
| 03:16:30 | uugDave | Ciao all. |
| 03:16:31 | LrnChndlr | uugDave: where are your priorities? |
| 03:16:35 | Jayce^ | talk to everybody tomorrow.. |
| 03:16:55 | uugDave | doesn't follow you LrnChndlr. |
| 03:17:05 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: i was meaning to ask you about a plcae on the plug site to list old equipment for sale/trade |
| 03:17:16 | uugDave | Good night. |
| 03:17:23 | LrnChndlr | good night uugDave |
| 03:18:23 | LrnChndlr | Jayce^: someone brought it up on the pluglist, but i am not sure what became of the idea |
| 03:27:55 | Bonez39 | greetings.. |
| 03:27:59 | LrnChndlr | hi |
| 03:28:28 | Bonez39 | finally, I find a channel with other challenged linux users...from close by |
| 03:28:44 | LrnChndlr | how do you know we are challenged? |
| 03:29:50 | Bonez39 | well, I am implying that I am... |
| 03:30:01 | Bonez39 | and that linux is a challenging but rewarding OS... |
| 03:30:02 | LrnChndlr | ok then ;-) |
| 03:30:05 | Bonez39 | ;) |
| 03:30:58 | LrnChndlr | Leno alert |
| 03:31:36 | Bonez39 | is Leno on now? |
| 03:32:08 | LrnChndlr | yes |
| 03:32:16 | LrnChndlr | just starting the monologue |
| 03:33:15 | LrnChndlr | Bonez39: where in ut are you? |
| 03:33:20 | Bonez39 | oh......I better go a while.I live in sandy... |
| 03:33:28 | Bonez39 | I will be back shortly... |
| 03:34:02 | LrnChndlr | ok |
| 03:46:48 | fugalh | morning |
| 03:58:40 | fozz | Bye! |
| 04:19:49 | fozz | returns |
| 04:20:15 | fozz | Looks like I missed out some pretty rampant conversation. |
| 04:20:50 | fozz | Hey Riker |
| 04:21:07 | fozz | Thanks for the invite. |
| 04:28:11 | | Howdy Bub |
| 04:28:11 | regis | hello? |
| 04:28:14 | fozz | Hi |
| 04:28:49 | regis | What's shakin'? |
| 04:29:47 | fozz | I don't want to mention. |
| 04:29:56 | fozz | :) |
| 04:29:59 | regis | :-) |
| 04:30:10 | fozz | Where you at? |
| 04:30:23 | fozz | I'm in Logan. |
| 04:30:29 | fozz | Well, Hyrum, actually. heh. |
| 04:30:38 | regis | Provo |
| 04:30:40 | fozz | Man - this place is really filling up! |
| 04:30:43 | StarShock | Provo |
| 04:30:49 | fozz | Ahhh. I pity you all. |
| 04:30:53 | bmidgley | i just read the announce |
| 04:31:23 | bmidgley | hey xchat whooshes when comments come up (never had the speakers on before) |
| 04:31:38 | fozz | yeah. Kind of annoying. |
| 04:31:48 | StarShock | My wife is from Hyrum. |
| 04:31:58 | StarShock | Maybe you know her family -> Petersen's |
| 04:32:04 | fozz | That's 1/2 of Hyrum! |
| 04:32:05 | StarShock | They own Hyrum Tire. |
| 04:32:11 | fozz | Oh. I know Clint. :) |
| 04:32:19 | StarShock | That is my wife's brother! |
| 04:32:24 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 04:32:28 | StarShock | Wow, it's such a small world (if you join the right channel) |
| 04:32:29 | fozz | They run SCO there. |
| 04:32:36 | fozz | (at Hyrum Tire) |
| 04:32:48 | StarShock | they do? |
| 04:32:53 | StarShock | hmmmm |
| 04:33:06 | fozz | Yeah- they used to be in with Discount Tire in Logan. |
| 04:33:19 | fozz | They're no anymore, but they still run that SCO system. |
| 04:33:29 | StarShock | Is that the one that diagnoses the cars? |
| 04:33:39 | fozz | They have Wyse terminals with the grease-protect keyboard covers. :) |
| 04:33:51 | StarShock | yep, my wife says that is true. |
| 04:33:54 | fozz | Nah- this is just their accounting and stuff. |
| 04:34:08 | fozz | They draw up the invoices and stuff. |
| 04:34:12 | StarShock | So you go to Utah State? |
| 04:34:27 | fozz | Clint's a good guy. |
| 04:34:34 | StarShock | Thanks. |
| 04:34:53 | fozz | They messed up putting my truck engine back together... but I forgive them for that. |
| 04:35:03 | fozz | I still let them do tire stuff though. Heh. |
| 04:35:09 | StarShock | I'm sure they are very sorry. |
| 04:35:17 | StarShock | yeah, they do oil changes pretty good |
| 04:35:26 | StarShock | He gives me oil changes for free (of course, I married his sister, so that might play into it) |
| 04:35:39 | fozz | Hmmm. Maybe I could play your brother sometime. :) |
| 04:35:43 | StarShock | :) |
| 04:35:55 | fozz | As for Utah State, I'm done with school. |
| 04:36:00 | StarShock | oh |
| 04:36:02 | fozz | But, yes, I did graduate from USU. |
| 04:36:10 | fozz | Computer Science. |
| 04:36:13 | StarShock | I graduate BYU in a few months. |
| 04:36:17 | fozz | congrats. |
| 04:36:19 | StarShock | Computer science as well |
| 04:36:33 | StarShock | But I have a brother that lives in Hyrum as well; he works at Spillman. |
| 04:36:39 | fozz | I'm sorry. |
| 04:36:43 | fozz | My wife used to work there. |
| 04:36:49 | StarShock | What's wrong with Spillman? |
| 04:36:50 | fozz | So did I... back in `93 or so. |
| 04:36:51 | regis_ | Man, I've been here a while and I'm not getting out any time soon... |
| 04:37:07 | fozz | Oh Spillman... they're a funny company. |
| 04:37:14 | StarShock | :) how so ? ? ? |
| 04:37:15 | fozz | What's your brother's name and what does he do? |
| 04:37:37 | StarShock | Chris |
| 04:37:41 | StarShock | He's a programmer |
| 04:37:43 | | it has been said that Chris is working on other things, and tim is basically doing 2 jobs |
| 04:37:43 | fozz | Chris? |
| 04:37:44 | StarShock | Hellewell (last name) |
| 04:37:47 | fozz | Helewell? |
| 04:37:50 | fozz | HOLY COW! |
| 04:37:55 | fozz | He lives down the street from me. |
| 04:38:00 | fozz | I know Chris and Nikki |
| 04:38:01 | StarShock | Really? You know him? |
| 04:38:04 | StarShock | hmmm |
| 04:38:07 | StarShock | I guess you do!! |
| 04:38:13 | StarShock | See, I told you it was a small world |
| 04:38:17 | StarShock | My name is Phillip Hellewell. |
| 04:38:26 | bmidgley | i think you guys are going to find out you're in the same house next |
| 04:38:29 | fozz | My wife has heard of Chris's brother who works at some farm equip place. |
| 04:38:30 | StarShock | :) |
| 04:38:31 | fozz | Is that you? |
| 04:38:46 | fozz | We used to be in their ward. |
| 04:38:53 | fozz | But that was like 3 or 4 splits ago. |
| 04:39:00 | StarShock | Yeah, Chris said |
| 04:39:05 | StarShock | that they split the ward about 3 times |
| 04:39:11 | StarShock | in the last three years. |
| 04:39:17 | fozz | I installed Red Hat on his computer a couple years ago. |
| 04:39:21 | fozz | Dunno if he ever did anything with it. |
| 04:39:41 | StarShock | He works with linux all the time at work... |
| 04:39:45 | StarShock | Oh, by the way |
| 04:39:47 | fozz | They're using LInux now? |
| 04:39:55 | StarShock | the farm equipment guy is my brother Ryan. |
| 04:40:04 | StarShock | Actually it's unix I think. |
| 04:40:09 | StarShock | But I don't know which unix. |
| 04:40:36 | fozz | When I worked there, it was SCO, HP-UX, and AIX |
| 04:40:44 | StarShock | Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 04:40:58 | StarShock | Who are you and I'll tell Chris I met you. |
| 04:40:58 | fozz | When my wife worked there, they were trying to kill off the Unix stuff in favor of a Windows product. |
| 04:41:07 | StarShock | Oh, I see. |
| 04:41:17 | fozz | He probably knows "Fozz" :) |
| 04:41:31 | fozz | This is why I say Spillman is a funny company. |
| 04:41:39 | Bonez39 | greetings |
| 04:41:43 | StarShock | Why, because they use unix instead of windows? |
| 04:41:52 | fozz | They've since changed their mind on the windows thing. |
| 04:41:56 | fozz | They're going Unix full bore again. |
| 04:42:14 | fozz | They're also funny because they don't really treat programmers very good. |
| 04:42:26 | StarShock | I see. |
| 04:42:28 | fozz | I've worked at a few development shops. |
| 04:42:42 | fozz | The good ones let you come and go when you want. |
| 04:42:43 | StarShock | I'm guessing you were a programmer then. |
| 04:42:53 | fozz | (as long as you're getting stuff done) |
| 04:43:02 | fozz | Spillman wants everyone gone by 5. |
| 04:43:09 | fozz | You have to be in by 8 |
| 04:43:16 | StarShock | At least you get to leave at 5 |
| 04:43:20 | fozz | If you're there after hours, they get suspicious. |
| 04:43:27 | StarShock | I've been at places where they ask you to stay 'till 9pm |
| 04:43:30 | fozz | Well, I think that's what people like about Spillman - |
| 04:43:37 | fozz | that you never have to work 60 hour weeks. |
| 04:43:37 | StarShock | yeah. |
| 04:43:47 | fozz | I guess it's a trade off. |
| 04:43:58 | StarShock | My brother has it pretty good because I think he is over R&D |
| 04:44:03 | fozz | My wife and I just think their upper management has their heads up their butts. |
| 04:44:11 | fozz | Oh yeah- R&D woiuld be a better place to be. |
| 04:44:13 | StarShock | well. |
| 04:44:21 | StarShock | He seems to enjoy it. |
| 04:44:32 | fozz | When I worked there, I was sales support. |
| 04:44:46 | fozz | The salesman would call potential clients and say, "yeah, yeah, we can do that!" |
| 04:44:54 | StarShock | OOOOOOH, well now that explains everything. |
| 04:44:55 | fozz | and then they'd call me and say, "We can do that, right?" |
| 04:45:01 | StarShock | :) |
| 04:45:16 | fozz | I also installed demo machines and did client installs and stuff liek that. |
| 04:45:19 | fozz | It was a part time job for a student. |
| 04:45:25 | fozz | My wife, OTOH, was a Unix programmer. |
| 04:45:40 | fozz | She worked right next door to Chris during his first tour of duty at Spillman. |
| 04:45:50 | fozz | (before he went off on that make-money-fast thing. hee hee. |
| 04:46:00 | StarShock | At least we have all have one thing in common --> love for linux and open source in general. |
| 04:46:06 | fozz | Right. |
| 04:46:13 | fozz | I've been using Unix/Linux since `91. |
| 04:46:16 | Bonez39 | fozz: may I ask...what does Spillman do? what sort of software? |
| 04:46:22 | fozz | Public Safety software. |
| 04:46:33 | fozz | Their software runs police depts. |
| 04:46:36 | Bonez39 | sounds silly....oh, public safety, like traffic light switching? |
| 04:46:41 | StarShock | Software for law enforcement |
| 04:46:44 | Bonez39 | police, fire? that sort of stuff? |
| 04:46:45 | fozz | Their software runs on those laptops in the cop cars. :) |
| 04:46:54 | StarShock | yeah, what fozz said. |
| 04:46:59 | Bonez39 | oh, those huge screened laptops they all have propped up |
| 04:47:04 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 04:47:07 | Bonez39 | cool |
| 04:47:12 | fozz | Logan City PD is Spillman's beta test team. :) |
| 04:47:33 | Bonez39 | and are they running linux or unix ? |
| 04:47:34 | fozz | All the officers talk to one another via IRC. |
| 04:47:40 | Bonez39 | sorry to enter midstream.. |
| 04:47:41 | fozz | No, they run Windows. :) |
| 04:47:42 | StarShock | I worked with Chris in Logan at that make-money-fast thing.... |
| 04:47:47 | StarShock | But then we got smart and left it. |
| 04:47:57 | Bonez39 | so all the cops are on IRC? wild... |
| 04:48:04 | fozz | The servers are unix. |
| 04:48:05 | StarShock | No, fozz is pulling one |
| 04:48:09 | fozz | The clients are usually Windows. |
| 04:48:14 | StarShock | yeah, unix |
| 04:48:16 | Bonez39 | but I am sure they all use a special hidden and password only channel to join up....right? |
| 04:48:25 | StarShock | They build a Java front-end I think, so win or linux.... |
| 04:48:28 | fozz | Well, it's an intranet, really. |
| 04:48:40 | Bonez39 | an intranet that exploits IRC...? |
| 04:48:44 | fozz | They run PPP over cellular packed data networks. |
| 04:48:53 | StarShock | hmmmm |
| 04:48:55 | fozz | All the cars are connected to a private network at 19.2kbps |
| 04:49:01 | fozz | :) |
| 04:49:08 | StarShock | Wow, how come Chris never told me about any of this? |
| 04:49:19 | fozz | StarShock: I don't know. :) |
| 04:49:30 | fozz | I actgually don't know if the IRC is a Spillman thing. |
| 04:49:31 | StarShock | how do you make your name yellow? |
| 04:49:45 | fozz | I can't remember. xchat makes it easy. :) |
| 04:50:06 | fozz | Oh- but xchat will highlight a line which contains YOUR nick. |
| 04:50:10 | fozz | Maybe that's what you're seeing. |
| 04:50:12 | Bonez39 | so fozz....and star..what is your work? mine is chiropractic... |
| 04:50:21 | StarShock | oooooh |
| 04:50:24 | fozz | I run my own Linux company. |
| 04:50:25 | StarShock | fozz |
| 04:50:26 | fozz | Iodynamics |
| 04:50:48 | StarShock | I'm a professional hacker. |
| 04:50:48 | fozz | We do web development and install Linux servers in businesses. |
| 04:50:56 | fozz | :) |
| 04:50:59 | fozz | Aren't we all? |
| 04:51:06 | StarShock | No, serious ! ! !! ! ! |
| 04:51:11 | StarShock | (fine, don't believe me) |
| 04:51:22 | StarShock | Yeah, but I get paid to do it. |
| 04:51:25 | fozz | A Hacker or a cracker? |
| 04:51:31 | StarShock | HACKER NOT CRACKER!!! |
| 04:51:35 | fozz | Ahhh. |
| 04:51:37 | fozz | Okay. |
| 04:51:45 | StarShock | We build software to recover passwords and stuff. |
| 04:51:49 | StarShock | Mostly law enforcement uses it. |
| 04:51:49 | Bonez39 | hacker...hmmm, some days I fantasize about someone hacking my credit report..and cleaning it all up.....but that would be a cracker....not a hacker, right? |
| 04:52:02 | StarShock | Probably a cracker if it is illegal. |
| 04:52:02 | fozz | Right. |
| 04:52:17 | fozz | Crackers circumvent security. |
| 04:52:25 | fozz | I'd say you're a cracker, Starshock. |
| 04:52:26 | Bonez39 | what I am hoping for some day soon, is someone to build a product for chiropractic office and patient account management...for linux. |
| 04:52:30 | fozz | Hackers are just programmers. :) |
| 04:52:37 | StarShock | Call me what you will |
| 04:52:38 | fozz | Bonez39: We talked about this, didn't we? |
| 04:52:53 | StarShock | www.accessdata.com if anyone cares... |
| 04:53:01 | fozz | If not, then someone else has talked to me about the same thing. |
| 04:53:35 | Bonez39 | musta been another....maybe it was me.not sure.. |
| 04:53:47 | Bonez39 | there are a few chiros here in Utah who are into computing, but not enough |
| 04:53:55 | fozz | Oh wait... |
| 04:54:02 | fozz | He wasn't a chiro. He was a family counseling guy. |
| 04:54:04 | Bonez39 | I would have remembered such a nickname as 'fozz' |
| 04:54:12 | fozz | wb scott |
| 04:54:21 | scott | thanks |
| 04:54:39 | fozz | But yeah- he was talking about how the govt (the guv'ment) was imposing new regulations on doctors... |
| 04:54:58 | Bonez39 | oh, the gov't is..in the form of HIPAA...it's a nightmare.. |
| 04:54:59 | fozz | saying that computer systems storing patient records have to be up to a certain level of security |
| 04:55:28 | fozz | This means most offices will have to upgrade to Windows 2000/XP which will require new hardware, usually because existing hardware won't cut it. |
| 04:55:31 | Bonez39 | I just want to get my system to work right...to let me access all the other machines..and have it work smoothly....to print to networked printers, etc.. |
| 04:55:37 | StarShock | Well, my wife says I got to go to bed now. |
| 04:55:43 | StarShock | we'll see you later fozz and Bonez39 |
| 04:55:43 | fozz | StarShock: Talk to you later! |
| 04:55:48 | Bonez39 | patient records are vital....have to have so much protections |
| 04:55:50 | Bonez39 | later, star.. |
| 04:55:50 | fozz | I think I'll be idling in here. |
| 04:55:53 | StarShock | I'll say Hi to Chris for you. |
| 04:55:53 | Bonez39 | nice to meet you |
| 04:55:54 | fozz | all day tomorrow |
| 04:55:56 | StarShock | you too |
| 04:56:08 | Bonez39 | I am coming back...glad that I heard of this channel.... |
| 04:56:14 | fozz | ANyway- yeah, this guy was talking to me about building a patient manegement system in Linux. |
| 04:56:17 | Bonez39 | maybe now I can finally get the help I need. |
| 04:56:33 | fozz | It woudl save his office a lot of money, he said. |
| 04:56:40 | Bonez39 | fozz: I currently use something called Lytec....it's a patient database really, built on btrieve... |
| 04:56:41 | fozz | (and probably a lot of other offices too) |
| 04:56:47 | Bonez39 | it's fast..for the thousands of patients we have in it... |
| 04:56:52 | Bonez39 | but it's based on windows... |
| 04:56:54 | fozz | Right. |
| 04:57:03 | fozz | It would be nice to build something with a PostgreSQL backend. |
| 04:57:16 | fozz | I don't know how reasonable it would be to do it with a Web interface. |
| 04:57:28 | Bonez39 | yes...it needs to handle patient account, demographics, notes....printing claims to HCFA forms.. |
| 04:57:29 | fozz | You could store all the records on a Linux box and access them via SSL from Windows machines. |
| 04:57:58 | Bonez39 | oh, you are talking about an ASP situation right? |
| 04:57:59 | fozz | Otherwise, you'd have to write clients for the other machines. |
| 04:58:04 | fozz | Something like that. |
| 04:58:18 | fozz | The LInux box would be an application server. |
| 04:58:23 | fozz | You'd keep it in the office. |
| 04:58:25 | Bonez39 | I see the value in having the data web based....instead of locally based... |
| 04:58:32 | Bonez39 | right... |
| 04:58:51 | fozz | It makes it a lot easier and cheaper to deploy an app that way - a web app. |
| 04:59:02 | Bonez39 | the other machines would just connect to it, and manipulate that data...but that would also make it easy to work from a remote location....over the web.... |
| 04:59:07 | fozz | Right. |
| 04:59:17 | fozz | The hard part would be all these forms you mentioned. |
| 04:59:24 | Bonez39 | I have written the developers of the product we now use, but I never get a response.. |
| 04:59:35 | fozz | You could do it by exploiting PDF technology, tho. |
| 04:59:37 | Bonez39 | I even offered to take all the coders out to lunch...still no reply.. |
| 04:59:41 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 04:59:49 | fozz | Where are they located? In Utah? |
| 04:59:58 | BZFlag | hey, some more people joining in. hey all. |
| 05:00:03 | | que tal, fozz |
| 05:00:03 | fozz | Hi |
| 05:00:06 | Bonez39 | I think they keep them all locked in a box somewhere..and keep them alive intravenously.... |
| 05:00:10 | Bonez39 | hi bzf |
| 05:00:18 | fozz | Thanks for the invite via e-mail bzflag |
| 05:00:28 | Bonez39 | yeah, they used to be here in Midvale..but then moved to Arizona...about 2 years ago |
| 05:00:52 | fozz | Huh. |
| 05:00:58 | Bonez39 | huh? |
| 05:01:11 | Bonez39 | Lytec Systems used to be based in Midvale, but recently they moved to AZ |
| 05:01:12 | fozz | Sorry- just saying "Huh" like I was scratching my head. |
| 05:01:30 | fozz | Just acknowledging you. |
| 05:01:49 | BZFlag | fozz: np. thought this might be fun. ;-) |
| 05:02:47 | fozz | I think it's great. |
| 05:03:22 | fozz | I was saying earlier it's nice to connect with other Perl guys. |
| 05:03:34 | fozz | Everyone else in Logan, it seems, are down on Perl. |
| 05:03:45 | fozz | They're into Java, Python, and tcl (of all things) |
| 05:03:50 | Bonez39 | what about the others here? are they afk? |
| 05:04:14 | BZFlag | afk? |
| 05:04:17 | Bonez39 | is this the place to ask...about specific system problems, etc? how to fix iptables and that sort of thing? |
| 05:04:22 | Bonez39 | away from keyboard |
| 05:04:22 | fozz | Sure. |
| 05:04:27 | BZFlag | ah. |
| 05:04:40 | fozz | Yeah- Leno's on, apparently. |
| 05:04:42 | fozz | :) |
| 05:04:46 | fozz | Or was. |
| 05:04:48 | fozz | Leno WAS on. |
| 05:04:49 | Bonez39 | when I boot up, I get several lines telling me my iptables are corrupted, that I need to upgrade my kernel.. |
| 05:05:04 | fozz | That's not good. |
| 05:05:10 | fozz | What distribution do you run? |
| 05:05:18 | Bonez39 | I am running 2.4.2 and want to upgrade my kernel.....caldera 3.1 workstation |
| 05:05:21 | BZFlag | This channel will be open to all. Conversation will hopefully be on open source issues. |
| 05:05:48 | fozz | Hmmm. I'm not too familiar with Caldera... I work mostly with Red Hat. |
| 05:05:51 | Bonez39 | but that's another point, I'd like to learn how to download the kernel source and get away from distro and more toward the pure sources |
| 05:06:02 | fozz | But, I would think (hope) Caldera has a newer distribution out. |
| 05:06:06 | BZFlag | I imagine that pre-lug conversations can happen here. Those that are online at the LUGs are welcome to join and type in minutes. |
| 05:06:08 | fozz | (with a newer kernel) |
| 05:06:10 | Bonez39 | I think they do. |
| 05:06:30 | BZFlag | . o O ( "Now a question live from the internet...." ) ;-) |
| 05:06:34 | Bonez39 | another project, I want to install gnome..and then gnucash..to use for accounting.. |
| 05:06:42 | fozz | Bonez39: I have a half-decent tutorial on kernel configuration and compilation. |
| 05:06:52 | Bonez39 | but can't get past the 64 or so packages that I need to install and configure, before I can get gnome running... |
| 05:06:54 | BZFlag | fozz: Caldera is now part of UnitedLinux. |
| 05:07:07 | fozz | http://www.iodynamics.com/~fozz/presentations/kernel.config |
| 05:07:07 | BZFlag | most of the German engineers are working for Suse now. |
| 05:07:29 | fozz | BZFlag: Yeah, I'm not happy about that. |
| 05:07:32 | fozz | I think UL was a bad move. |
| 05:07:56 | fozz | Bonez39: gnucash is a library cow. It needs a million things. |
| 05:07:59 | BZFlag | fozz: I think they should have all joined Debian, but then I'm TimR@Debian.org ;-) |
| 05:08:32 | fozz | SOMEONE needs to make Debian an easy to configure distribution. |
| 05:09:41 | BZFlag | contributions welcome. Caldera has done a great job in that area. picture Debian with the Caldera GUI install as an option. |
| 05:10:08 | fozz | Yeah. That would be much better than dselect. |
| 05:10:26 | BZFlag | instead of the format/reinstall caldera might even be upgradable. |
| 05:10:53 | BZFlag | never uses dselect. |
| 05:10:53 | fozz | I keep using Red Hat... mostly out of convenience because I've used it for 7 or 8 years now. |
| 05:11:16 | Bonez39 | do most of you run kde, or gnome, or something else? |
| 05:11:18 | fozz | But I hate RPMs. |
| 05:11:22 | fozz | I use KDE now. |
| 05:11:31 | fozz | Used to use Gnome and Afterstep before that. |
| 05:11:36 | BZFlag | Bonez39: wmaker here on debian. Though I use gnome and wt apps. |
| 05:11:47 | Bonez39 | I like the control of configuring and making my own binaries....instead of the rpm route |
| 05:11:48 | fozz | I guess I've tried them all and I'm not satisfied with any of them. :) |
| 05:11:49 | BZFlag | er qt. |
| 05:12:18 | fozz | Bonez39: Yeah- that's nice, but when you're in a rush, it's nice to just install stable binaries built by someone you trust. |
| 05:12:34 | fozz | I know a few people who use fvwm2 |
| 05:12:44 | fozz | They like how customizable it. |
| 05:12:49 | fozz | s/it/it is/ |
| 05:13:01 | fozz | I use wmaker inside all my VNC sessions. :) |
| 05:13:11 | | i guess VNC is virtual network computing (see http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/). It runs on the iPAQ with fbvnc at http://www.w-m-p.com/ipaq/fbvnc.html |
| 05:13:11 | Bonez39 | VNC? |
| 05:13:13 | fozz | It's fairly lightweight. |
| 05:13:23 | fozz | :) |
| 05:13:26 | fozz | Don't you love those bots? |
| 05:13:33 | Bonez39 | oh, speaking of iPAQ |
| 05:13:37 | fozz | Think: PC Anywhere. |
| 05:13:45 | fozz | (only, it's open source) |
| 05:13:55 | Bonez39 | I have a palm, M505...I love it, but havent' ventured into setting up linux to read it andwrite to it... |
| 05:14:15 | fozz | I use jpilot to talk to my Handspring Visor |
| 05:14:20 | Bonez39 | I fell for the ibot |
| 05:14:21 | fozz | (via USB) |
| 05:14:43 | Bonez39 | really? is that hard to set up? I have the USB cradle/synch/charger... |
| 05:14:55 | fozz | Well... not if you have a recent 2.4.x kernel. :) |
| 05:15:02 | Bonez39 | how do I get it set up< read the HOWTO? does that address it pretty well? |
| 05:15:15 | Bonez39 | well, is 2.4.2 recent enough? |
| 05:15:18 | | :) |
| 05:15:18 | BZFlag | ibot botsnack |
| 05:15:26 | fozz | I suspect you might have problems with 2.4.2 |
| 05:15:32 | fozz | But you can try it. |
| 05:15:43 | fozz | What you can do is grab a program called usbview |
| 05:15:49 | fozz | get that installed or compiled on your box. |
| 05:16:01 | fozz | Then, attach the cradle and press the hot-sync button with the Palm in the cradle. |
| 05:16:08 | BZFlag | is the maintainer of the Sharp Zaurus kernel. and has Yopy agenda, ipaq and other pdas with Linux on them. |
| 05:16:27 | fozz | Run usbview and, if everything works, you should be able to see the Palm device on the USB bus. |
| 05:16:31 | fozz | BZFlag: impressive. Impressive. |
| 05:16:39 | fozz | Do you like the Yopy? |
| 05:16:47 | fozz | Is the Zaurus better? |
| 05:17:02 | BZFlag | it was cool in it's time. The Zaurus is the best bet for Linux PDAs at the moment. |
| 05:17:26 | fozz | Bonez39: If you see the Palm device on your USB bus using usbview, you can sync with it using jpilot or pilot-link |
| 05:17:30 | BZFlag | another PDA I'm working on now, will ship around the end of the year and be cheaper and includes a fold out keyboard. |
| 05:17:33 | fozz | The port is /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 05:17:41 | fozz | BZFlag: Who is making that? |
| 05:17:51 | BZFlag | http://www.vercel.com/ |
| 05:18:05 | Bonez39 | I just bought a fold up palm keyboard..I love it...so fast and easy to type on..... |
| 05:18:13 | fozz | Based here? |
| 05:18:21 | BZFlag | Bonez39: same concept but integrated. |
| 05:18:26 | BZFlag | fozz: FL |
| 05:18:31 | fozz | I use a Targus Stowaway with my Handspring. |
| 05:18:34 | fozz | Love it too. |
| 05:19:00 | fozz | Oooh. Yucky website. |
| 05:19:02 | fozz | Flash splash. |
| 05:19:05 | BZFlag | fozz: hmm.. actually the plant that made the current boards was in florida... headquarters is silcon valley. |
| 05:19:07 | fozz | is a web developer |
| 05:19:22 | BZFlag | fozz: yeah, I hate it too. and I've told em so. |
| 05:19:30 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 05:19:37 | BZFlag | please email em. ;-) |
| 05:19:40 | fozz | Well, if they ask for someone who can create a usable website, drop my name. :) |
| 05:20:26 | fozz | I think I might be interested in a Linux-based PDA> |
| 05:20:37 | fozz | The Palm is nice... but it's clunky. |
| 05:20:49 | fozz | It's silly that everything has to be a PDB file. |
| 05:21:26 | BZFlag | heh. agreed. |
| 05:21:44 | Bonez39 | oh, tell me...fozz..I load on some book titles..for EZ-reader...they show up in the list of installed files, but I can't see them to open them.... |
| 05:21:46 | fozz | Sony, however, seems to be doing some amazing stuff despite the clunkiness |
| 05:21:48 | Bonez39 | any ideas? |
| 05:22:02 | fozz | With PalmOS? |
| 05:22:19 | fozz | I've noticed some readers can only read some files. |
| 05:22:35 | fozz | I've had the best luck with one called iSilo Free |
| 05:22:41 | BZFlag | yeah, there are multiple versions of pdb formats. |
| 05:22:50 | LrnChndlr | anyone else here addicted to kmahjongg? |
| 05:22:55 | fozz | YES! |
| 05:22:59 | fozz | :) |
| 05:23:03 | BZFlag | LrnChndlr: nope. kbill here. ;-) |
| 05:23:23 | fozz | Except the version that shipped with RH73 is screwed up |
| 05:23:25 | LrnChndlr | i cant stop playing this stupid, infuriating game |
| 05:23:28 | fozz | I reported it as a bug. |
| 05:23:39 | fozz | But they haven't released an update. I guess it's not "important" enough. |
| 05:23:53 | LrnChndlr | i have gotten it so that it is almost impossible to get in the top 10 anymore |
| 05:24:03 | fozz | They'll release updates to Apache and OPenSSH, but NOT KMAHJONGG! |
| 05:24:07 | fozz | Damn idiots. |
| 05:24:09 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 05:24:09 | BZFlag | type "sudo apt-get install kmahjongg" |
| 05:24:14 | fozz | :) |
| 05:24:18 | LrnChndlr | fozz: what version do you have? |
| 05:24:38 | fozz | checks |
| 05:24:50 | LrnChndlr | my 0.7.2 works pretty good |
| 05:24:58 | fozz | 0.7.2 |
| 05:25:06 | fozz | They just configured it badly. |
| 05:25:11 | LrnChndlr | except that if i win a game the counter doesnt reset for the next game |
| 05:25:12 | fozz | None of the hot-keys work. |
| 05:25:19 | fozz | None of the menus work. |
| 05:25:29 | BZFlag | yep. looks pretty much like the version on my Zaurus. ;-) |
| 05:25:36 | fozz | Well, it's pretty unpredictable. |
| 05:25:46 | fozz | I should just download the source and compile it. |
| 05:26:13 | LrnChndlr | what about xgal? |
| 05:26:20 | fozz | I used to play that. |
| 05:26:25 | LrnChndlr | i used to be addicted to tha |
| 05:26:26 | LrnChndlr | t |
| 05:26:34 | BZFlag | of course you should all try bzflag. ;-) |
| 05:26:47 | fozz | kmahjongg is... like the perfect "take a break from coding" game. |
| 05:26:54 | fozz | Except that you can't stop. heh heh. |
| 05:27:02 | LrnChndlr | but when i upgraded to Mandrake 8.0 i could no longer use the space bar to fire in xgal |
| 05:27:18 | regis | Does anyone know of a good chess game for X? |
| 05:27:26 | BZFlag | I just got a suggestion from the bzflag users to add a clock to the display cause they all forget what time it is when playing. |
| 05:27:29 | LrnChndlr | BZFlag: i tried BZFlag, but i couldn't find a game with other players |
| 05:27:40 | fozz | BZFlag: Are you responsible for bzflag? |
| 05:27:42 | regis | I tried BZFlag, I got creamed. |
| 05:27:49 | fozz | Is it a port of the Irix game? |
| 05:27:52 | BZFlag | LrnChndlr: then you have not tried lately. there are public games going 24 hours a day. |
| 05:28:01 | BZFlag | fozz: yes. I'm the maintainer. |
| 05:28:07 | regis | i swear there are some people out there that play that thing 24x7 |
| 05:28:10 | LrnChndlr | BZFlag: you are right, it wasnt lately |
| 05:28:12 | BZFlag | fozz: and yes it started on irix. |
| 05:28:12 | fozz | I used to play that on Indys a long time ago. |
| 05:28:37 | fozz | worked for SGI for an internship. |
| 05:29:00 | ammonite | why is this so dead? |
| 05:29:04 | BZFlag | LrnChndlr: there is a public game list server (which I run) that shows public games. you can get the list right inside the game. it shows game options, the number of players on each team etc. |
| 05:29:12 | fozz | I'm curious... does anyone actually LIKE Mandrake's installer? :) |
| 05:29:28 | fozz | ammonite: huh? |
| 05:29:29 | BZFlag | wonders what an ammonite would call dead. |
| 05:29:34 | ammonite | sry |
| 05:29:45 | fozz | It didn't start to reek until you showed up. :) |
| 05:29:51 | regis | :-) |
| 05:29:51 | LrnChndlr | fozz: i've been on Mandrake since v7, and at the time it was the best installer, i wouldn't know how the others are now |
| 05:29:53 | fozz | j/k |
| 05:29:59 | regis | take that, you! |
| 05:30:16 | BZFlag | wishes more people would setup thier IRC client with a Realname filled in. |
| 05:30:24 | | ammon is nothing but a loggerheaded mound of tepid snake bait. |
| 05:30:24 | LrnChndlr | ibot insult ammon |
| 05:30:38 | regis | he he he |
| 05:30:42 | fozz | I installed Mandrake 8.2 the other day and... I dunno... it feels like a DOS game configuration interface. |
| 05:30:46 | ammonite | what is this abuse? |
| 05:30:55 | regis | I can't say anything too mean. He's bigger than me. |
| 05:30:55 | fozz | But then, I've been using Red Hat mostly. |
| 05:31:03 | regis | and lives half a block from here... |
| 05:31:05 | fozz | I liked the Caldera installer. |
| 05:31:21 | regis | Mandrake's installer is ... um ... interesting. |
| 05:31:45 | ammonite | I like the last Caldera installer i used |
| 05:31:55 | regis | I think that being able to change colors is a _very_ important feature to include in an installer. |
| 05:31:59 | ammonite | it let me play Tetris whilst it installed |
| 05:32:00 | regis | </sarcasm> |
| 05:32:10 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 05:32:29 | BZFlag | heh, tetris then pacman, then... games in the installer rock. ;-) |
| 05:32:39 | ammonite | no joke |
| 05:33:03 | ammonite | what else are you going to do if your box isn't up and running? |
| 05:33:04 | regis | What if it set up the networking first and let you play online whilst it installed everything else? |
| 05:33:05 | regis | :-) |
| 05:33:22 | ammonite | that _would_ be cool |
| 05:33:44 | regis | Just think, BZFlag while you copy a couple hundred packages to your HDD. |
| 05:33:45 | BZFlag | regis: would work for distros like debian that are often installed over the net. |
| 05:33:53 | BZFlag | regis: but lag times would suck. |
| 05:33:58 | regis | true. |
| 05:34:00 | fozz | If you install Debian, there's a lot you can do while your packages are installing. |
| 05:34:06 | fozz | :) |
| 05:34:17 | regis | you could play chess or reversi or backgammon over the net during install |
| 05:34:40 | BZFlag | I pushed for a network score keeper for the install games while I was at caldera. |
| 05:34:53 | fozz | I think an IRC client during an install woudl be better than tetris. :) |
| 05:34:58 | regis | :-) |
| 05:35:00 | regis | amen |
| 05:35:04 | fozz | Then you can yack with other people who are also installing the lame OS you're installing. :) |
| 05:35:17 | BZFlag | heh and irc connect to the distro chat channel would rock. |
| 05:35:22 | fozz | right. |
| 05:35:38 | Bonez39 | same for visor, insmod visor? |
| 05:35:44 | fozz | Yep. |
| 05:35:47 | regis | or you might could fire up limewire while you're installing. |
| 05:35:48 | BZFlag | course #debian would not like so many newbies showing up. ;-) |
| 05:35:58 | fozz | regis: OH boy. that would slow things down. |
| 05:36:05 | regis | you know, get a jump on your {insert file type here} collection |
| 05:36:10 | regis | :-) |
| 05:36:19 | BZFlag | regis: "might could". now I KNOW I'm in #utah. |
| 05:36:28 | regis | that's Utaw |
| 05:36:30 | regis | :-) |
| 05:36:35 | Bonez39 | I learn more here in an hour than in several days of banging my head against the wall |
| 05:36:39 | BZFlag | or yewtaw? |
| 05:36:40 | fozz | My wife once said, "You used to not could." |
| 05:36:48 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 05:36:49 | regis | Sounds right to me... |
| 05:37:29 | ammonite | be nice to regis, he just got to the city |
| 05:37:43 | regis | my neck's still a little red. |
| 05:38:08 | ammonite | he's bright guy |
| 05:38:11 | fozz | lives in Hyrum, Utah. :) |
| 05:38:21 | fozz | steps outside and sniffs the cows. |
| 05:38:29 | ammonite | i've been thru hyrum |
| 05:38:44 | regis | I've heard fozz lives there... |
| 05:39:20 | regis | I'd like a script that posts what song is playing on everyone's computer... |
| 05:39:24 | BZFlag | is a new yorker (state, NOT city ;-) and now has relatives in SG, Ogden, and Wellington. |
| 05:39:27 | regis | That would be interesting. |
| 05:39:41 | fozz | I love NYC. |
| 05:40:14 | BZFlag | watched lotr on is computer today. |
| 05:40:20 | BZFlag | er his. |
| 05:40:45 | regis | got carsick watching lotr in the IMAX theater |
| 05:41:17 | fozz | BZFlag: Cool. |
| 05:41:50 | fozz | I'm stoked abotu the 4-disc LOTR DVD coming in NOvember. |
| 05:41:57 | fozz | ripped his first DVD this week. :) |
| 05:42:15 | regis | I've heard there will be even more battle scenes and such |
| 05:42:30 | regis | sounds ... intriguing. |
| 05:42:33 | ammonite | and an 'R' rating |
| 05:42:34 | BZFlag | Mine's on order. I'm stoked too. |
| 05:42:45 | BZFlag | what's an R rating? the dvd? |
| 05:42:48 | fozz | Wahoo! |
| 05:42:53 | fozz | R ratings ROCK! |
| 05:42:53 | fozz | :) |
| 05:43:08 | ammonite | the uncut version, extra blood and gore! |
| 05:43:16 | fozz | I wonder if you get to see more of Liv Tyler, if you know what I mean. |
| 05:43:19 | fozz | wiggles his eyebrows. |
| 05:43:30 | fozz | Woops. Sorry. BYU folks in here. |
| 05:43:34 | regis | I think I speak for everyone when I say that we could all use a little more blood and gore. |
| 05:43:40 | regis | j/k |
| 05:44:12 | LrnChndlr | ok, this is sad, i just beat my hi score in kmahjongg |
| 05:44:17 | BZFlag | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000067DNF/qid=1026542909/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_3/002-4527983-4685631 <- claims pg-13 |
| 05:44:33 | ammonite | hmmmm |
| 05:44:50 | fozz | Is that the 4-disc or the 2? |
| 05:45:00 | ammonite | i heard you can choose different versions on the dvd |
| 05:45:05 | ammonite | or something like that |
| 05:45:05 | regis | LrnChndlr: that worries me |
| 05:45:40 | fozz | LrnChndlr: How fast were you? |
| 05:45:47 | regis | what about net Yahtzee while you install??!?!!! |
| 05:45:49 | LrnChndlr | fozz: 2:19 |
| 05:45:54 | fozz | WHOA! |
| 05:45:59 | fozz | I've never gotten below 4. |
| 05:46:05 | fozz | Very impressive. |
| 05:46:17 | LrnChndlr | i have to get better than 2:48 just to get in the top ten |
| 05:46:24 | fozz | My problems is that I always play on my laptop with the glidepoint mouse in the bathtub. |
| 05:46:28 | LrnChndlr | so it only happens like once a week |
| 05:46:36 | BZFlag | http://www.dvd.com/product_movies.asp?type=Movie&productnumber=40264 <- 4disc still says pg-13 |
| 05:46:41 | fozz | Huh. |
| 05:46:44 | regis | needs a bathtub ... and a laptop |
| 05:46:56 | BZFlag | regis: not a good mix I've heard |
| 05:47:04 | fozz | has GFCI |
| 05:50:12 | fozz | Well, I should get to bed. |
| 05:50:19 | fozz | See y'all tomorrow. |
| 05:50:21 | fozz | hath returned |
| 05:50:23 | fozz | hath returned |
| 05:50:27 | BZFlag | watches the end of independance day |
| 05:50:30 | LrnChndlr | see ya |
| 05:50:34 | BZFlag | nite |
| 05:50:36 | regis | ciao |
| 05:50:46 | LrnChndlr | i think i'm outta here too |
| 05:53:33 | ammonite | http://dvd.ign.com/articles/356/356226p1.html mentions the r rating. but slates it as a possibility |
| 05:54:15 | ammonite | i'm trying to find where i read that there may be different versions on the same disc |
| 05:54:29 | euvitudo | dillo http://dvd.ign.com/articles/356/356226p1.html |
| 05:58:14 | BZFlag | hmm extended version only. what a crock. |
| 05:59:30 | BZFlag | wishes movie houses would not try to get you to but multiple versions. I'd pay a bit more for an extended version that has a theater version playback option. |
| 05:59:37 | BZFlag | s/but/buy/ |
| 06:00:34 | ammonite | it seems like that would be easy to do |
| 06:00:44 | ammonite | it could just skip scenes |
| 06:00:50 | BZFlag | it |
| 06:01:14 | BZFlag | it's trivail to do. you can even insert different sections to get the audio mixin right. |
| 06:01:32 | BZFlag | I could do it here with all open source video editing tools. |
| 06:01:54 | BZFlag | it's not that they can't do it, it's that they want to force you to buy both versions. |
| 06:01:58 | ammonite | while we're on the subject, what do you use? |
| 06:03:10 | BZFlag | a bunch of stuff. mostly I use transcode for conversions. |
| 06:04:00 | ammonite | i have a bunch of macs at work and use them for all my editing and burning |
| 06:04:14 | ammonite | it would be nice to do some at home |
| 06:05:04 | ammonite | but then i need firewire... |
| 06:05:27 | ammonite | and a dvd burner |
| 06:06:02 | regis | g'nite yall |
| 06:06:38 | ammonite | i'm out, too |
| 06:35:54 | ammonite | i'm back |
| 06:36:23 | ammonite | anybody here? |
| 06:36:28 | BZFlag | nope |
| 06:36:32 | scott | wow, glass2k is very cool |
| 06:41:16 | ammonite | that is pretty sweet |
| 06:41:28 | ammonite | had to turn off the beeps, though |
| 06:41:58 | scott | ammonite, ever heard any good jokes about your name/ |
| 06:42:12 | ammonite | a few |
| 06:42:14 | ammonite | today |
| 06:42:17 | scott | such as/ |
| 06:42:55 | ammonite | i don't know, i even didn't pay attention |
| 06:43:04 | ammonite | what did you come up with? |
| 06:43:27 | scott | skids more when you're around |
| 06:43:35 | scott | sorry, couldn't think of anything good |
| 06:43:39 | scott | but it has real potential i think |
| 06:44:04 | ammonite | it started as an inside thing to begin with |
| 06:44:27 | scott | i meant your last name, you are ammon skidmore right/ |
| 06:46:16 | ammonite | actually, i |
| 06:46:24 | ammonite | am not ammon skidmore |
| 06:46:35 | scott | oh |
| 06:46:52 | ammonite | but he has done some nice stuff |
| 06:47:31 | ammonite | if you're into macs and that sort of thing |
| 13:07:45 | Bonez39 | greetings, any life here yet today? |
| 13:25:37 | | Howdy Bub |
| 13:25:37 | Bonez39 | hello? |
| 13:25:50 | Bonez39 | oh, you are a bot...otherwise I would be excited |
| 13:25:52 | Bonez39 | right? |
| 13:25:54 | | goo away |
| 13:25:54 | Bonez39 | a bot? |
| 13:30:50 | Bonez39 | see, a real person would not botch the word "go" and say 'goo'.. |
| 14:08:37 | Bonez39 | hello buhawi |
| 14:08:40 | Bonez39 | and ammonite... |
| 14:08:49 | Bonez39 | do either of you use a Pilot? |
| 14:09:00 | ammonite | morning |
| 14:09:06 | ammonite | sry, not into that |
| 14:09:18 | Bonez39 | that's cool |
| 14:09:20 | Bonez39 | no worry |
| 14:12:37 | Bonez39 | hi jmoc |
| 14:12:43 | Bonez39 | oops |
| 14:12:51 | ammonite | bye jmoc |
| 14:13:12 | Bonez39 | what do you do, ammonite? |
| 14:13:17 | Bonez39 | I am a chiropractor |
| 14:13:41 | ammonite | web programming |
| 14:13:49 | ammonite | how did you get into IRC? |
| 14:14:21 | ammonite | i don't see the connection to chiropracting |
| 14:14:31 | ammonite | but its all good |
| 14:15:44 | ammonite | brb |
| 14:21:57 | Bonez39 | irc? me? |
| 14:22:12 | Bonez39 | I am in IRC and computing in general...because I hate paper... |
| 14:22:35 | Bonez39 | I like what computing and keeping data in its original native evvironment can do to boost efficiency... |
| 14:23:04 | Bonez39 | I am here out of a deep respect for that efficiency....and am working to streamline my office and help other chiropractors do the same.. |
| 14:23:29 | Bonez39 | to me, irc and the other chat networks....all serve a purpose of enabling communication |
| 14:23:39 | Bonez39 | I'll be back in about 10 minutes. |
| 15:04:40 | Bonez39 | back...but another patient in now... |
| 15:22:55 | fozz | morning Bonez39 |
| 15:24:22 | fozz | morning ammonite |
| 15:31:29 | buhawi | <Bonez39> hello buhawi |
| 15:31:31 | buhawi | hello |
| 15:33:52 | buhawi | wow, there are alot of channels on this server |
| 15:36:43 | fozz | Indeed. |
| 15:36:50 | fozz | It's a major IRC server. |
| 15:37:27 | fozz | buhawi: Where you at? |
| 15:39:03 | buhawi | Arizona |
| 15:39:15 | buhawi | you? |
| 15:40:19 | fozz | Utah. :) |
| 15:40:36 | buhawi | I used to live in PRovo |
| 15:40:40 | buhawi | Provo even |
| 15:40:47 | fozz | Ahh. I'm near Logan. |
| 15:41:12 | buhawi | I've been on the plug list for a little while, that's how I found out abou this server/channel |
| 15:41:25 | fozz | IC. |
| 15:41:35 | fozz | The channel was really active last night. |
| 15:41:37 | fozz | Blew me away. |
| 15:42:02 | buhawi | is it usually quiet? |
| 15:42:07 | scott | well it was posted to a half dozen lugs ;0 |
| 15:42:13 | fozz | :) |
| 15:42:17 | fozz | morning scott |
| 15:42:17 | buhawi | that'll do it |
| 15:42:26 | scott | morning doran |
| 15:42:57 | scott | it really sucks when both your shift keys break |
| 15:43:05 | fozz | uh oh. |
| 15:43:14 | fozz | Time to do some remapping? |
| 15:43:19 | fozz | Got windows keys? :) |
| 15:43:19 | scott | i think so |
| 15:43:40 | scott | i just don't know what prog to use in windows |
| 15:44:10 | fozz | My left control key started acting up last week. |
| 15:44:26 | fozz | I took the keyboard apart and cleaned the membrane with alcohol. seemed to fix it. |
| 15:44:32 | regis | I'v got a keyboard with the same problem |
| 15:44:35 | regis | I'll have to try that. |
| 15:44:42 | Bonez39 | fozz: hi again |
| 15:44:51 | fozz | Found a pound of sunflower seed shells inside. |
| 15:44:57 | fozz | Bonez39: Hi! |
| 15:45:20 | Bonez39 | back to try and test my usb port some more....if you have time...and patience.. |
| 15:45:26 | fozz | Sure. |
| 15:45:42 | fozz | I'm just soaking in the bathtub. Nothing else to do. :) |
| 15:45:52 | fozz | wb regis! |
| 15:45:59 | regis | he he he |
| 15:46:05 | regis | just kidding about leaving |
| 15:46:11 | Jayce^ | back |
| 15:46:16 | fozz | wb Jayce^ |
| 15:46:18 | regis | thanks for the warm welcome, though |
| 15:46:22 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 15:47:01 | Bonez39 | wishes he had a bathtub big enough to soak in...but ours is way too small |
| 15:47:31 | regis | still on the bathtub thing? |
| 15:47:46 | regis | :-) |
| 15:48:01 | fozz | OH yeah- regis wishes he had a bathtub and/or a laptop. |
| 15:48:18 | regis | No ... both! |
| 15:48:26 | regis | :-) |
| 15:52:01 | buhawi | haha |
| 15:54:59 | regis | well, gotta run |
| 15:55:07 | regis | my Saturday todo list is growing... |
| 15:57:16 | buhawi | I have a random question for discussion |
| 15:57:34 | Bonez39 | how can I get the output from ls -l to read in black and white, instead of those horrid colors that I can't read? |
| 15:57:34 | buhawi | for all the linux users here: mandrake or redhat? |
| 15:57:38 | buhawi | and why? |
| 15:58:20 | Bonez39 | I need to run, but will back later.. |
| 15:58:24 | Bonez39 | thanks for the help fozz... |
| 16:00:58 | fozz | Np |
| 16:00:59 | fozz | I use Red Hat, buhawi |
| 16:00:59 | | 7 |
| 16:00:59 | buhawi | 7.2 or 7.3? |
| 16:00:59 | buhawi | or earlier that 7.2 |
| 16:00:59 | buhawi | than |
| 16:00:59 | fozz | Depends on which machine I'm on. :) |
| 16:00:59 | buhawi | haha |
| 16:01:00 | fozz | My laptop is running 7.3 right now. |
| 16:01:00 | fozz | I manage about 25 servers or so. |
| 16:01:05 | fozz | They're running Red Hat 6.2 - 7.3 |
| 16:01:26 | | fozz: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:01:26 | fozz | ibot: ? |
| 16:01:31 | fozz | heh |
| 16:01:54 | | hi, buhawi |
| 16:01:54 | buhawi | ibot, hi |
| 16:02:07 | fozz | buhawi: What happens when you type /bin/ls instead of just ls? |
| 16:02:32 | buhawi | [chris@sam chris]$ /bin/ls |
| 16:02:33 | buhawi | Documents downloads evolution irc mail mp3 port1.txt port.txt tmp |
| 16:02:40 | buhawi | that |
| 16:02:49 | fozz | Well, yeah, but is it colored? :) |
| 16:02:53 | buhawi | nope |
| 16:02:58 | fozz | Type 'alias ls' |
| 16:03:17 | buhawi | if I do a plain ls it's colored |
| 16:03:29 | fozz | Right. ls is a an alias, probably to 'ls --color' |
| 16:03:39 | buhawi | yep |
| 16:03:42 | fozz | or rather, '/bin/ls --color' |
| 16:03:53 | buhawi | alias ls='ls -F --color=auto' |
| 16:04:10 | fozz | Oh gee.. I just realized Bonez39 was asking about the color ls output, not you. :) |
| 16:04:18 | buhawi | bahaha |
| 16:04:21 | buhawi | no worries |
| 16:04:52 | fozz | heh |
| 16:05:56 | Bonez39 | I guess i am not going quite yet.... |
| 16:06:07 | fozz | wb Bonez39 |
| 16:06:11 | Bonez39 | yes, about color output.. |
| 16:06:17 | fozz | Did you see my answer about that? |
| 16:06:19 | Bonez39 | how do I turn it off., I hate it.... |
| 16:06:40 | Bonez39 | how do I find out if ls is aliased to ls --color or not? |
| 16:06:49 | fozz | Type 'alias ls' |
| 16:06:57 | fozz | To turn it off: 'unalias ls' |
| 16:07:06 | fozz | (Assuming you're using bash as your shell. You probably are.) |
| 16:07:16 | fozz | uses zsh. :) |
| 16:08:21 | Bonez39 | alias ls |
| 16:08:25 | Bonez39 | oh, at a prompt... |
| 16:08:39 | Bonez39 | 'ls' is not found... |
| 16:08:42 | Bonez39 | that's the reply |
| 16:08:54 | Bonez39 | yes, using BASH shell |
| 16:09:27 | fozz | Bonez39: If you type '/bin/ls', do you get the colors? |
| 16:09:59 | Bonez39 | yes, it lists colors....folders are blue, executables are green....files are black |
| 16:10:32 | fozz | Try 'ls --color=never' and see if it shows colors. |
| 16:15:22 | Bonez39 | ah, that did it..... |
| 16:15:23 | fozz | So... now, you will probably want to create an alias. |
| 16:15:23 | buhawi | so how do you change/set up aliases? |
| 16:15:24 | fozz | Something like "alias ls='/bin/ls --color=none'" |
| 16:15:24 | fozz | You can edit your .bashrc and put that command in there. Then it will get run every time you log in. |
| 16:15:24 | buhawi | ah |
| 16:16:49 | Bonez39 | ok.....so about the device issue... |
| 16:17:24 | Bonez39 | here's what happens...when I hit the sync button, if I have usbview running, it will show the pilot device, until that device times out, and then it disappears from the list....in usvbiew |
| 16:19:24 | fozz | Yeah... I think we need to create /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 16:19:40 | fozz | mknod /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1 (as root) |
| 16:19:43 | Bonez39 | by create, do you mean setup a link or how would i create it? |
| 16:19:47 | fozz | (see above) |
| 16:20:03 | fozz | mknod creates device files. |
| 16:20:15 | Bonez39 | ok...did that...let's test it again now.. |
| 16:20:33 | Bonez39 | is that pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -l ? |
| 16:20:48 | fozz | Right. Hit the cradle sync button first and then execute that command. |
| 16:25:00 | Bonez39 | still getting the unable to bind to port |
| 16:25:01 | Bonez39 | I think I need to test it...to make sure it's showing now...do I need to run ldconfig or anything to make sure it's registered? |
| 16:25:01 | fozz | Did you do it as root? |
| 16:25:01 | Bonez39 | yes, as root....as su root..that's fine right? |
| 16:25:01 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 16:25:01 | fozz | Are the usbserial and visor modules loaded (see the 'lsmod' output) |
| 16:25:02 | Bonez39 | yes, they are loaded... |
| 16:25:02 | Bonez39 | the visor says : unused, size 4480, used 0 |
| 16:25:02 | Bonez39 | and the usbserial says : 12688 size, 0 and then visor |
| 16:25:02 | fozz | Good. |
| 16:25:02 | Bonez39 | I need to run again..... |
| 16:25:02 | fozz | k. |
| 16:25:02 | fozz | Bonez39: http://www.linuxpda.com/visor/howto/current/x71.html |
| 16:31:35 | scott | hi art |
| 16:31:45 | | hi, art |
| 16:31:45 | art | hello |
| 16:31:53 | | hey, art |
| 16:31:53 | art | hi ibot |
| 16:32:10 | buhawi | haha |
| 16:32:24 | | i am "the" bot around |
| 16:32:24 | buhawi | ibot, who are you? |
| 16:32:32 | scott | conspires to get ops so he can kill ibot |
| 16:33:34 | art | does anyone know the state of the uvsc linux users group? |
| 16:33:40 | art | are they doing anything? |
| 16:34:01 | buhawi | I didn't even know they existed until today |
| 16:34:02 | scott | I know there's a group of them that chat on irc, don't know anything about their meetings |
| 16:34:15 | buhawi | doesn't do me much good now that I'm no longer at uvsc |
| 16:34:23 | art | where do they chat? |
| 16:34:52 | scott | art, don't remember the server or channel |
| 16:35:02 | art | that's ok. |
| 16:35:20 | art | their website seems to be down. |
| 16:35:57 | buhawi | do you go to uvsc art? |
| 16:38:13 | art | no BYU |
| 16:38:28 | art | just like to know what's going on around me. |
| 16:38:40 | buhawi | cool |
| 16:39:08 | scott | I just moved from provo up to eastern washington |
| 16:39:16 | scott | you guys wouldn't believe the bandwidth situation up here |
| 16:39:29 | buhawi | good or bad? |
| 16:39:47 | buhawi | I just moved from Provo to gilbert AZ |
| 16:40:09 | buhawi | bandwidth situation here is horrible |
| 16:40:17 | scott | two days ago I called up the power company and asked them to install fiber to my house, two days later it was installed. for free. I now pay just 20 bucks amonth for it. |
| 16:41:17 | buhawi | you suck |
| 16:41:17 | buhawi | I just want you to know that |
| 16:41:17 | buhawi | haha |
| 16:41:17 | art | that's cool |
| 16:41:17 | scott | yeah, they install a switch on the back of your house |
| 16:41:18 | art | that's in washington? |
| 16:41:18 | scott | the fiber goes in there and then you have 8 100mbit ethernet ports to take to any of your computers |
| 16:41:18 | scott | yeah |
| 16:41:18 | buhawi | wow |
| 16:41:31 | art | pretty sad when you start considering where you're going to live by the bandwidth they have available there |
| 16:41:34 | scott | all for free, you pay nothing for equipment or installation |
| 16:41:41 | scott | they even give you a NIC and will install the cable for you |
| 16:41:48 | buhawi | that's not right |
| 16:41:50 | buhawi | hahaa |
| 16:42:06 | buhawi | I moved to the wrong place |
| 16:42:07 | art | It seems like some sort of dream-land. |
| 16:42:21 | scott | bandwidth wise it is :) |
| 16:42:37 | buhawi | so it's provided by the city? |
| 16:42:40 | art | where's the gold-brick road to this place? |
| 16:42:48 | art | yellow-birck I mean |
| 16:42:49 | scott | looks out his window to the neighborhood's private golf course and boat launches |
| 16:43:23 | scott | buhawi, the power company installed fiber all over the city, and then inidividual isps do the upstream, and all the customer service etc |
| 16:43:28 | scott | they give the power company a cut |
| 16:43:30 | buhawi | slaps scott around with a bit of reality |
| 16:43:32 | scott | each month |
| 16:43:50 | buhawi | sounds like a great deal |
| 16:43:59 | buhawi | what city are you in? |
| 16:44:13 | scott | yeah, after two weeks of dialup after using BYU's connection for a year it's great |
| 16:44:20 | buhawi | I bet |
| 16:44:21 | scott | Moses Lake WA |
| 16:44:38 | scott | the problem is I was really productive these last two weeks w/ slow internet :) |
| 16:44:46 | scott | I don't download much or chat on IRC when I'm on dialup |
| 16:44:51 | buhawi | hahaha |
| 16:45:16 | buhawi | so what type of speeds are you getting now? |
| 16:45:31 | scott | well I downloaded a 50mb file at 1mbyte/s last night |
| 16:46:02 | buhawi | I hate you |
| 16:46:05 | buhawi | bahahahaa |
| 16:46:05 | scott | I get 500KB/s to my site at UW |
| 16:51:15 | scott | I'm also much more impatient when I have a fast connection |
| 16:51:38 | scott | it's like "oh man, this site is below 100KB/s. I'll find a mirror" |
| 17:52:27 | fozz | wb ammonite |
| 17:52:27 | ammonite | how are you today? |
| 17:52:27 | fozz | Uhm... I'm not sure yet |
| 17:52:27 | ammonite | too early to tell? |
| 17:52:27 | fozz | Something. |
| 17:52:32 | fozz | Let's go with fair to partly cloudy. |
| 17:52:45 | ammonite | I can respect that |
| 17:53:01 | ammonite | Is there a discussion going on here? |
| 17:53:39 | Bradipo | Not yet. |
| 17:53:48 | fozz | Hey Bradipo! |
| 17:54:49 | fozz | I guess I can't diss Caldera anymore. :) |
| 17:54:56 | ammonite | so who usually hangs out here? |
| 17:55:10 | ammonite | meaning what sort of people? |
| 17:55:14 | Bradipo | fozz: Sure you can. |
| 17:55:17 | fozz | I've only been here since yesterday. |
| 17:55:25 | ammonite | oh, me too |
| 17:55:35 | ammonite | UUG? |
| 17:55:40 | fozz | That's when BZFlag sent out the multi-LUG announcement |
| 17:55:40 | Bradipo | I just jumped on today. |
| 17:55:49 | Bradipo | I saw the announcement about the channel on UUG. |
| 17:55:52 | fozz | I'm in Logan. USU-FSLC |
| 17:56:03 | fozz | s/in/near/ |
| 17:56:18 | ammonite | nice, I'm kickin it in Provo |
| 17:56:23 | Bradipo | Orem here. |
| 17:58:33 | fozz | So far, everyone who's been signing on since last night has been your LInux-using, Slashdot-reading, fast typing uber geek. |
| 17:58:33 | ammonite | last night it didn't realize who BZFlag was |
| 17:58:33 | ammonite | gotcha |
| 17:58:33 | Bradipo | Well, who else would join? |
| 17:58:33 | fozz | Right. |
| 17:58:34 | Bradipo | Unless we are doing advertising of some type. |
| 17:58:35 | ammonite | kinda cool |
| 17:58:35 | ammonite | i didn't realize there was a Utah channel anywhere? |
| 17:58:35 | fozz | /topic "Meet some young women from BYU" |
| 17:58:35 | Bradipo | I didn't either. |
| 17:58:36 | fozz | heh. |
| 17:58:36 | Bradipo | fozz: You would have to virtually meet them up in Logan. |
| 17:58:48 | ammonite | he can drive down |
| 17:58:52 | fozz | I met my wife online. :) |
| 17:58:56 | ammonite | my buddy does it all the time |
| 17:58:59 | Bradipo | Sweet! |
| 17:59:05 | ammonite | fozz: nice |
| 17:59:11 | Bradipo | It's a good 2 hour drive I guess. |
| 17:59:13 | fozz | We were both at USU, tho. |
| 17:59:13 | ammonite | how'd that happen? |
| 17:59:29 | fozz | Oh- we just got chatting with each other on the school's VMS system. |
| 17:59:34 | fozz | Asked her to lunch a couple months later. |
| 17:59:43 | ammonite | good job |
| 17:59:49 | Bradipo | My sister went to USU---I remember helping her learn VMS. |
| 17:59:59 | ammonite | Bradipo, you hitched? |
| 18:00:04 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:00:08 | ammonite | me too |
| 18:00:14 | fozz | Before that, though, I made friends with a girl in Missouri and we did the long-distance thing. After a couple years, she came out here for a weekend. Then I went out there for a week. |
| 18:00:29 | fozz | She ended up moving to Utah because she loved the mountains. |
| 18:00:37 | Bradipo | The mountains are grand here. |
| 18:00:40 | fozz | yep |
| 18:00:49 | Bradipo | I just got back from a trip to Currant Creek Reservoir. |
| 18:00:56 | fozz | She corrected me, though, every time I referred to a moving body of water as a river. |
| 18:00:58 | Bradipo | Nice mountains, but too hot. |
| 18:01:06 | Bradipo | lol |
| 18:01:07 | fozz | "That isn't a river. That's a stream." |
| 18:01:09 | ammonite | I've been up there |
| 18:01:25 | Bradipo | ``That isn't a stream, that's a creek.'' :-) |
| 18:01:31 | fozz | Or crick. |
| 18:01:47 | fozz | welcome crowderb |
| 18:05:16 | crowderb | hello :) |
| 18:05:17 | fozz | I knew way too much about VMS back then. |
| 18:05:17 | Bradipo | Are they still using VMS up there? |
| 18:05:17 | fozz | Talk about filling your brain with stuff you're never going to use. |
| 18:05:17 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 18:05:17 | fozz | They use it for the mail server and to host web pages. |
| 18:05:17 | Bradipo | I remember trying to change permissions on a file... |
| 18:05:17 | Bradipo | Wow. |
| 18:05:17 | fozz | Not many people actually log in with TELNET or SSH anymore. |
| 18:05:17 | Bradipo | Impressive. |
| 18:05:17 | crowderb | Were the old YVAX machines on VMS? |
| 18:05:18 | Bradipo | The old old ones, I believe. |
| 18:05:18 | Bradipo | Er, very old. |
| 18:05:18 | crowderb | Yup :) |
| 18:05:18 | fozz | Changing permissions: SET PROTECTION=(O:RWED,G:REWD,W:RWED) FILE.EXT;99 |
| 18:05:18 | fozz | Now everyone just uses webmail. |
| 18:05:18 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 18:05:18 | fozz | I guess a few people log in and use 'pine' on the VMS systems. |
| 18:05:19 | Bradipo | And I loved how it added ,n where n was the revision of the file. |
| 18:05:19 | Bradipo | Or something like that. |
| 18:05:19 | Bradipo | My sister still uses pine to this day. |
| 18:05:19 | fozz | Yeah- ;99 is the version umber. |
| 18:05:19 | Bradipo | Oh yeah. |
| 18:05:19 | fozz | You can configure VMS to keep however many versions around you want. |
| 18:05:19 | fozz | USU was configured to keep 2 versions. |
| 18:05:22 | Bradipo | Kind of a nice feature I guess. |
| 18:05:23 | fozz | Came in handy sometimes. :) |
| 18:05:26 | fozz | yeah. |
| 18:06:17 | fozz | Bradipo: What's the internal sentiment at Caldera about UnitedLinux? |
| 18:06:30 | Bradipo | fozz: Hmm, tough question. |
| 18:06:34 | Bradipo | I'm hopeful. |
| 18:06:51 | Bradipo | I really think Linux could use a little unification. |
| 18:07:13 | Bradipo | And I know, from working with vendors, that they would rather not have to certify hundreds of times. |
| 18:07:18 | fozz | Unification would be cool, yes. |
| 18:07:21 | Bradipo | So it makes sense, from the business point of view. |
| 18:07:33 | fozz | I'm not sure I like how UL plans to do licensing, tho. |
| 18:07:55 | Bradipo | I don't really know how the licensing will work just yet. |
| 18:08:19 | Bradipo | The problem is that there really isn't any money to be made in selling a distribution. |
| 18:08:21 | fozz | It just sounds like you can't give a copy of your CD to your friend. You'd be in violation with some kind of per-seat license. |
| 18:08:29 | Bradipo | Neither is there much money to be made in selling support. |
| 18:11:58 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 18:11:58 | Bradipo | Which makes sense. |
| 18:11:58 | Bradipo | From a business point of view. |
| 18:11:58 | ammonite | how does RedHat stay afloat? |
| 18:11:58 | Bradipo | That's a very good question. |
| 18:11:58 | fozz | Good question. |
| 18:11:58 | fozz | Red Hat doesn't consider themselves a "software company." |
| 18:11:58 | Bradipo | How does anyone that gives away their stuff for free make money? |
| 18:11:58 | fozz | They make the bulk of their money off of Red Hat Network subscriptions |
| 18:11:59 | fozz | and consulting. |
| 18:11:59 | fozz | (and support contracts) |
| 18:11:59 | ammonite | I think they went public at the right time and have landed a few huge clients. |
| 18:11:59 | Bradipo | Yep. |
| 18:11:59 | Bradipo | I think RedHat does a good job with their distro though. |
| 18:11:59 | fozz | Right. They have strategic alliances with IBM, Dell, etc. |
| 18:11:59 | Bradipo | In some respects. |
| 18:12:00 | fozz | I'm beginning to think it would be cool to have a big-ass Linux conference in SLC. |
| 18:12:00 | Bradipo | I have been moving more towards OpenBSD for certain tasks lately (i.e. firewall/router/vpn). |
| 18:12:00 | ammonite | Still, RH is large company in its own right, and they must be making money somehow |
| 18:12:00 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:12:01 | Bradipo | I think they have other sources of revenue other than just the linux OS. |
| 18:12:01 | ammonite | i've not used openBSD much |
| 18:12:01 | ammonite | what do you like about it? |
| 18:12:01 | Bradipo | It's simplicity. |
| 18:12:06 | Bradipo | It's security and ease of use for the most part. |
| 18:12:36 | fozz | it's ironic that so much of what is nice about Linux now is stuff which was borrowed from *BSD. :) |
| 18:12:40 | Bradipo | Sure, there has been a hole in SSH recently which broke their track record, but that's just a marketing gimmick in my opinion. |
| 18:12:44 | fozz | e.g. OpenSSH, iptables, etc. |
| 18:12:49 | Bradipo | True. |
| 18:13:01 | Bradipo | But that's the nature of open source software in general. |
| 18:13:06 | Bradipo | This is why I like open source. |
| 18:13:10 | fozz | nods |
| 18:25:03 | ammonite | Bradipo: where do you go for hardware in Happy Valley? |
| 18:25:13 | Bradipo | Hmm. |
| 18:25:21 | Bradipo | I used to go to Computer Warehouse. |
| 18:25:27 | Bradipo | When I was in Provo. |
| 18:25:34 | Bradipo | If I want cheap, used stuff I go to MAS |
| 18:26:03 | Bradipo | But new stuff I usually get from EBC or MotherBoards and Upgrades |
| 18:26:07 | Bradipo | Sometimes LS Micro. |
| 18:26:30 | ammonite | I think Mobo and Ups went under |
| 18:26:35 | | i think really is that hard to set up? I have the USB cradle/synch/charger... |
| 18:26:35 | Bradipo | Oh really? |
| 18:26:46 | Bradipo | Shows how long it has been since I got anything new. :-) |
| 18:26:50 | ammonite | I usually go to EBC |
| 18:27:05 | Bradipo | Is ibot a bot? |
| 18:27:11 | ammonite | and I have found a lot of good stuff at MAS |
| 18:27:22 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 18:27:27 | Bradipo | I got a new video card from MAS. |
| 18:27:36 | Bradipo | Well, old model, but new for me. |
| 18:27:40 | Bradipo | It works great. |
| 18:28:27 | ammonite | yeah, I've pushed my litle box about to its limits |
| 18:28:37 | Bradipo | Me too. |
| 18:28:40 | ammonite | i think i need new guts |
| 18:28:45 | Bradipo | I need a new system. |
| 18:28:57 | Bradipo | I would like to take my current desktop and make it my new webserver |
| 18:29:04 | Bradipo | Then take my current webserver and make it my firewall. |
| 18:29:19 | Bradipo | But I need a new desktop first. :-) |
| 18:29:20 | ammonite | that's my plan, too |
| 18:34:01 | fozz | EBC is run by the devil. :) |
| 18:34:12 | ammonite | why do you say that? |
| 18:34:12 | Bradipo | lol |
| 18:34:18 | Bradipo | According to SuperDell. |
| 18:34:24 | fozz | I've had nothing but problems with those people. |
| 18:34:31 | fozz | I used to buy a lot of stuff from them. |
| 18:34:52 | fozz | I met a guy who's friend with a former sales manager at EBC and he let me in on something... |
| 18:35:12 | fozz | They have a company policy of recycling "bad" hardware five times before sending it back to the supplier. |
| 18:35:39 | fozz | Anytime there's a discussion about EBC in newsgroups or on mailing lists, you'll here stories about people who kept getting the same video card back every time they took it back. |
| 18:36:00 | ammonite | yeah, but are they worse than buying stuff online, where you have no idea who they are and can't even go in and talk to anyone? |
| 18:36:05 | fozz | I buy all my hardware from a wholesaler in Logan called Posh Electronics. |
| 18:36:16 | ammonite | i've actually heard that policy, although 'i |
| 18:36:28 | ammonite | have never seen it in action |
| 18:36:43 | ammonite | does Posh have a website? |
| 18:36:57 | fozz | Yeah... I developed it. :) |
| 18:37:01 | fozz | www.poshelectronics.com |
| 18:37:02 | ammonite | nice |
| 18:37:10 | fozz | It's not much. He was on a tight budget. |
| 18:37:15 | fozz | :) |
| 18:37:52 | fozz | And what's up with paying for more than 15-days warranty at EBC?! |
| 18:38:00 | fozz | That's scary. |
| 18:38:42 | Bradipo | Indeed. |
| 18:39:31 | ammonite | that is a pretty basic site |
| 18:39:32 | fozz | If I was just buying stuff for myself, I might still go to EBC or order from newegg and other online shops. |
| 18:39:48 | ammonite | what is there for customers on the back side? |
| 18:39:58 | fozz | But since I resell to my customers, I have to get stuff from someone I trust. |
| 18:40:10 | fozz | ammonite: Oh- that's where my "real" work is... |
| 18:40:11 | ammonite | makes sense |
| 18:40:23 | fozz | mod_perl-based price list hooked into a PostgreSQL database. |
| 18:40:28 | ammonite | i figured, Mr iodaynamics |
| 18:40:32 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 18:40:35 | ammonite | nice |
| 18:41:12 | fozz | Posh used to have an office in Orem, from what I understand. |
| 18:41:27 | fozz | Had some big corporate clients down there. |
| 18:41:55 | fozz | But Mike (that's the owner's name) and his wife wanted to move back to Cache Valley where they were from. |
| 18:42:22 | ammonite | i c |
| 18:43:03 | ammonite | there isn't anyone in UV who "takes care of you" |
| 18:43:11 | fozz | That sucks. |
| 18:43:22 | ammonite | Computer Warehouse is okay, but at a price |
| 18:43:32 | ammonite | EBC gives you the runaround |
| 18:43:34 | fozz | I'll ask Mike if he can courier stuff down still. |
| 18:43:47 | ammonite | Totally Awesome, well.... |
| 18:43:57 | fozz | His prices are very competitive with other wholesalers. |
| 18:44:05 | ammonite | yeah, or might look them up next time i'm up that way |
| 18:44:08 | fozz | Ex. 40GB Western Digital $79. |
| 18:44:15 | ammonite | nice |
| 18:44:32 | fozz | He uses the online RAM market to price his stuff every day. |
| 18:44:42 | fozz | So some days he's selling his stuff at a loss. |
| 18:44:44 | ammonite | Bear Lake raspberries are coming on and I'm sure we'll cruise thru |
| 18:44:51 | fozz | heh heh. No kidding! |
| 18:45:18 | fozz | Nothing like a fresh raspberry shake. |
| 18:45:32 | ammonite | You know it. |
| 18:45:58 | fozz | Gotta run to the post office. bbiaf |
| 18:46:09 | ammonite | later |
| 18:46:32 | Bradipo | later |
| 18:46:40 | Bradipo | I'll be running shortly too. |
| 18:46:44 | Bradipo | Well, leaving. |
| 18:46:51 | ammonite | allright |
| 18:46:56 | ammonite | have a good one |
| 19:05:21 | fozz | returns |
| 19:05:28 | fozz | Hyrum post offices closes at noon. |
| 19:05:39 | fozz | Got some lunch at Arctic Circle, tho. |
| 19:47:54 | fozz | MAN! it's hot out. |
| 19:59:44 | fozz | BZFlag: Hello again |
| 20:00:02 | BZFlag | heya. headed out to see mib2 ;-) |
| 20:00:08 | fozz | Oh cool. |
| 20:00:14 | fozz | Hope it's decent. |
| 20:11:29 | Bradipo | Hello again. |
| 20:12:05 | Bradipo | Any idea why I'm getting these from openprojects.net? |
| 20:12:07 | Bradipo | 66.140.25.157 - - [13/Jul/2002:15:15:45 -0600] "CONNECT 198.186.203.27:6667 HTTP |
| 20:12:30 | Bradipo | /1.0" 405 310 |
| 20:26:51 | fozz | Hey Kreg |
| 20:43:43 | scott | yeah, to see if you are an open proxy or whatever |
| 22:37:37 | uugDave | Howdy. |
| 23:23:06 | | bonjour, fozz |
| 23:23:06 | fozz | hi |
| 23:23:14 | fozz | stupid bot. |
| 23:23:15 | fozz | :) |
| 23:26:56 | uugDave | Glad to see someone's awake. |
| 23:28:38 | BZFlag | get's back from mib2 |
| 23:28:47 | fozz | BZFlag: How was it? |
| 23:28:48 | BZFlag | it's a silly movie, but I liked it. |
| 23:29:01 | fozz | Good to know. |
| 23:29:22 | fozz | I almost got talked into taking the family to see the Hey Arnold movie. |
| 23:29:34 | fozz | Whew. |
| 23:29:35 | BZFlag | about what I expected. seemed less gory than the last one, but it's likely I was just expecting it this time. |
| 23:31:21 | uugDave | is downloading MIB2 as we chat. |
| 23:32:12 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 23:32:25 | BZFlag | anyone else think the provo mall logo looks like star trek? we call it the star trek mall. |
| 23:32:36 | fozz | is downloading Star Trek Enterprise episodes w/ LimeWire |
| 23:32:50 | fozz | Hmmm. I haven't been to the Provo Mall... ever, I don't think. |
| 23:32:57 | fozz | I'll see if I can make a special trip this next week and get back to you. |
| 23:33:03 | fozz | :) |
| 23:33:12 | fozz | Anyone else been to The Star Trek Experience in Vegas? |
| 23:33:13 | BZFlag | heh, you can see it from I-15, so no need to stop. |
| 23:33:28 | BZFlag | fozz: I have. it was.... ok I guess. |
| 23:33:36 | fozz | I really enjoyed it. |
| 23:33:50 | BZFlag | a klingon walked in on us, that was the best part. |
| 23:33:59 | fozz | I'm still stumped on how they changed the floor and everything when you "beamed" |
| 23:34:31 | fozz | And the costumes the "crew" wore were really nice... |
| 23:34:55 | fozz | A lot better than anything you see at theaters on the opening night of a ST movie. :) |
| 23:34:56 | BZFlag | I agree on that part. |
| 23:41:50 | uugDave | Mmmmm Enterprise episodes... |
| 23:41:59 | uugDave | Catch you all later. |
| 23:55:29 | fozz | Hmmm. All my LimeWire downloads slowed down. I wonder if uugDave has anything to do with that. |