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| 13:26.02 | mindjuju1 | test |
| 13:26.44 | mindjuju | o.O |
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| 13:27.18 | mindjuju | and then there was 1 |
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| 15:11.34 | mindjuju | i've found a couple different ways online to measure DNS lookup speed, i'm wondering if there is something in bash that can do that? |
| 15:14.25 | mindjuju | i guess that query time at the bottom of dig is what i need |
| 15:16.05 | jsmith | mindjuju: "time host www.bluehost.com"? |
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| 15:18.57 | josephscott | mindjuju: curl |
| 15:19.33 | josephscott | curl can provide details on the connection |
| 15:19.51 | josephscott | mindjuju: |
| 15:19.52 | josephscott | https://josephscott.org/archives/2011/10/timing-details-with-curl/ |
| 15:20.50 | josephscott | also https://gist.github.com/josephscott/6104566 |
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| 15:21.02 | josephscott | which I save as ~/bin/curlt |
| 15:21.21 | josephscott | so I use 'curlt http://example.com/' |
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| 15:21.54 | josephscott | gives me the raw request/response info and the connection timing details at the end |
| 15:22.05 | josephscott | throws away the actual body of the response |
| 15:22.58 | ponderability | mindjuju: one-liner to ignore the host command's stdout and output the real time used in "M:SS.?" format: /usr/bin/time -f "%E" host www.chpc.utah.edu > /dev/null |
| 15:28.24 | mgeary | unum: per our brief health insurance conversation yesterday: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20130911,0,2211922.column |
| 15:28.37 | mgeary | "There's little question that taking private insurers out of the American healthcare system would save hundreds of billions of dollars a year..." |
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| 15:40.11 | mindjuju | so mgeary, trying to keep an open mind on this, I decided to approach this from the vantage point: what is the government's track record for running things well and cheaply |
| 15:40.17 | mindjuju | not trying to be rude, but i can't think of anything |
| 15:40.22 | mgeary | mindjuju: did you read the article? |
| 15:40.31 | mgeary | medicare has an operating cost of 2 percent |
| 15:40.48 | mgeary | and is widely praised by people who study such things as government efficiency |
| 15:41.00 | mindjuju | i'm going to go and read the article thoroughly |
| 15:41.22 | mgeary | "Medicare's administrative costs are only about 2%, and its size gives it the clout to extract large discounts from doctors and hospitals…" |
| 15:42.23 | mgeary | private insurance admin costs are ~17% |
| 15:43.15 | mindjuju | still reading, hang on quick sec |
| 15:43.38 | mindjuju | i shouldn't have committed without reading it, i jsut jumped on your first quote |
| 15:44.05 | mgeary | why is it medicare is find and good enough when you're old, but it's unthinkable before then? |
| 15:44.25 | mgeary | i'm not necessarily advocating that medicare become universal. Just griping about the many flaws in the private health insurance system |
| 15:44.37 | ponderability | mindjuju: apologies, but I'm a bit of a bloodhound with these things.. One more try (works on my Ubuntu LTS [12.04?] in bash): host -v www.chpc.utah.edu | grep Received | cut -d " " -f 7,8 (awk or xargs might be better, but I don't know awk or xargs too well) |
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| 15:49.36 | unum | mgeary: I know people who have moved back and forth between medicaid and private insuaraunce |
| 15:49.41 | unum | guess which one they liked best? |
| 15:49.56 | unum | I need to learn to spell insurance |
| 15:50.32 | mgeary | do they like the private enough more to pay the difference? One reason medicare has a negative rap is because many providers don't like to accept it because it doesn't pay them as much. |
| 15:51.01 | unum | I wonder what's select health's administrative costs are |
| 15:51.14 | unum | mgeary: no they liked medicaid better |
| 15:51.27 | mgeary | well then |
| 15:51.52 | unum | I'm not opposed to single payer personally |
| 15:51.59 | mgeary | providers don't like it as much, but frankly, that's because they are wooed and bribed by private insurance |
| 15:52.05 | unum | I'm mostly opposed to employer based health care |
| 15:53.38 | unum | moving to catastophic+pay for what you get plans would be better for me |
| 15:53.50 | mgeary | unum: it appears that IHC claims their admin costs are between 10 and 11 percent, and they say the national average is 13%. |
| 15:53.57 | unum | though I don't think that would be the best system for all |
| 15:54.14 | unum | according to Obama IHC is the best |
| 15:54.34 | unum | though I think that's based off of medicare expeinditures |
| 15:55.39 | fungus | mindjuju, ponderability, http://nagiosplugins.org/man/check_dns |
| 15:56.54 | ponderability | fungus: that would be great for generating nagios alerts when the query starts taking longer than you want. :) |
| 15:57.19 | fungus | Yes, and you can use the plugin in your own scripts too. It doesn't have to be used inside Nagios. |
| 15:57.55 | ponderability | That's true.. Probably not too hard to adapt to something less based on thresholds and more about just pulling the query time. |
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| 16:00.02 | ponderability | The problem with most of the health care discussions I've been involved in is that we so seldom agree on what should be the goal of any change to the healthcare system. If we agree on the goals, we frequently agree on the methods. |
| 16:01.12 | fungus | check_dns outputs the time, you don't have to use the thresholds. You can easily parse the output. |
| 16:02.18 | mindjuju | k |
| 16:04.03 | fungus | [root@monitor ~]# /usr/local/nagios/libexec/check_dns -H www.bluehost.com |
| 16:04.03 | fungus | DNS OK: 0.094 seconds response time. www.bluehost.com returns 74.220.195.50|time=0.094454s;;;0.000000 |
| 16:05.36 | ponderability | fungus: awesome. |
| 16:05.57 | fungus | Nagios plugins are very useful, even outside of Nagios. |
| 16:08.38 | unum | I would think most people agree that the hearthcare system should allow everyone to get the most effective treatment at the lowest possible cost(to society as a whole) |
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| 16:15.00 | unum | that article brings up a good point, out of the 43% of americans who disapprove of ACA 20% of them(8% of total americans) disapprove because they want single payer |
| 16:15.13 | unum | herlo: your fireplace looking shabby? |
| 16:15.29 | herlo | unum: well, in my place in Murray, it probably is... |
| 16:16.40 | unum | the applegate condos were nicer than the glendonway ones |
| 16:16.46 | unum | s/were/are |
| 16:17.15 | herlo | indeed. But they are still old. |
| 16:17.20 | unum | there were changes to harp recently and it looks like me refi may go through! |
| 16:17.53 | herlo | I wanted to refi, but FHA changed the MPI rules and so I wouldn't save much and would lose 5 years of equity. |
| 16:17.56 | herlo | :( |
| 16:17.58 | unum | too bad I couldn't do it a year ago when rates were 3.5 instead of 4.5 |
| 16:18.03 | herlo | yeah, I hear ya |
| 16:18.15 | unum | ya the new pmi costs will get you |
| 16:18.25 | unum | I'm at 6.25 or something like that |
| 16:18.40 | unum | so it's still a good deal on our murray condo not so much on our sandy condo |
| 16:18.47 | unum | because of the pmi rates |
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| 16:20.35 | unum | we're thinking of putting in outside gas fireplace at our new place |
| 16:22.33 | herlo | I'm at 6.5, my mortgage broker said I wouldn't save more than about $100/month |
| 16:22.44 | herlo | unum: you now live in Sandy? |
| 16:24.09 | unum | I got married a little over three years ago and moved into my wife's condo in sandy, then about a year ago we bought a house in draper |
| 16:24.16 | unum | so I own two condos that we rent out |
| 16:24.35 | unum | speaking of which if anyone knows anyone interested in a two bedroom condo in sandy.... |
| 16:25.13 | herlo | lol |
| 16:25.19 | herlo | unum: wow, you are a busy boy |
| 16:25.27 | unum | I think I'm going to be closer to $150/month savings. We decided it was worth it. |
| 16:25.29 | herlo | do you manage those both yourself? |
| 16:25.53 | unum | no I have a property manager |
| 16:26.12 | unum | tried managing the first one myself for a while. That was a huge mistake. |
| 16:26.46 | herlo | lol |
| 16:26.48 | herlo | I hear ya |
| 16:26.55 | herlo | unum: who do you use? |
| 16:27.28 | unum | A guy I know who lives in Glendonway. |
| 16:28.16 | herlo | ahh. Cool. I found a little property management company, they are good. |
| 16:28.53 | unum | I've been happy with him so far. He's found better people than I did, and always gets rent. |
| 16:29.08 | unum | and got enough more out of them to make up for his fee |
| 16:29.20 | unum | I recommended him to a coworker and I don't think she has been as happy with him |
| 16:35.49 | clintberry | unum, where is your condo? |
| 16:35.57 | clintberry | in sandy? |
| 16:36.01 | clintberry | meaning what address |
| 16:36.13 | herlo | ooh, we might have a renter! |
| 16:36.30 | clintberry | My neighbors are in a town home and the owner is selling it so they are getting booted |
| 16:36.40 | clintberry | they are looking |
| 16:36.49 | clintberry | Great family |
| 16:38.27 | unum | 8200 s 1300 e |
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| 16:38.58 | unum | the sandy condo is only two bedrooms so it's probably too small for them |
| 16:39.01 | unum | I meant to mention that |
| 16:39.05 | unum | oh I did |
| 16:39.18 | unum | my property manager tells me two bedrooms are really hard to rent |
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| 16:39.55 | herlo | Yeah, a small family, maybe one or two kids at most. Otherwise, couples are good, I would guess. |
| 16:40.21 | herlo | I have a three bedroom I rent out, we've had the same people in there for 1.5 years now. |
| 16:40.25 | unum | ya, she bought it when she was a single mom of 1 |
| 16:40.36 | unum | that's where I'm at on the murray condo |
| 16:40.45 | unum | we got good people in there |
| 16:40.54 | unum | I loved that location |
| 16:40.57 | herlo | me too |
| 16:41.01 | unum | thought about buying in murray |
| 16:41.07 | herlo | herriman is kind of far from things, actually |
| 16:41.20 | herlo | Though I love the views out here. |
| 16:41.42 | herlo | And it's less crowded. We also own a single family home. |
| 16:41.44 | unum | we have a great neighborhood in draper, and lots of friends for our kids |
| 16:41.56 | unum | that's the main reason I'm glad we didn't buy in murray |
| 16:42.05 | unum | not as many young families |
| 16:42.29 | unum | komodo updated and broke all the macros I was working on |
| 16:42.34 | unum | and their forums seem to be down |
| 16:42.41 | unum | I guess it's time to work on something else |
| 16:42.52 | unum | the two people I need to work on for my other project are gone.... |
| 16:43.02 | unum | I've got a todo list here somewhere... |
| 16:43.05 | unum | oh you I remember |
| 16:43.12 | unum | s/you/ya |
| 17:09.15 | clintberry | unum: they are in a two bedroom townhome :-) |
| 17:09.18 | clintberry | what is the rent? |
| 17:19.08 | unum | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2013/09/11/monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-modern-trailer-is-dead-serious-video/ |
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| 18:10.08 | mindjuju | clintberry: rent is money you pay monthly for a living space |
| 18:12.38 | herlo | lol |
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| 18:15.15 | clintberry | ha ha |
| 18:15.22 | clintberry | incorrect wording |
| 18:15.24 | clintberry | :-) |
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| 20:51.07 | josephscott | skinner1: kids eat free at IKEA on Tuesdays |
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| 20:57.01 | josephscott | skinner1: I think it is under 12 |
| 20:57.52 | skinner1 | Probably not since I've got the heisenberg look currently |
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| 22:06.01 | unum | my wife was going to go there with one of the neighbors one day. Both me and her husband are in class on Tuesdays |
| 22:06.35 | unum | I keep meaning to look for gnome plugins and I keep forgetting |
| 22:11.19 | unum | extensions, they are called extensions |
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