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| 16:10.27 | mgeary | anyone here used any e-commerce plugins for WordPress? |
| 16:22.37 | ninnypants | mindjuju: did you see this? http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=40802 |
| 16:24.03 | ninnypants | mgeary: I have |
| 16:26.30 | john_anderson | just put em in the microwave for 30 seconds. |
| 16:29.22 | mgeary | ninnypants: what one(s) did you find sucked the least? |
| 16:34.56 | mindjuju | srry ninnypants, i wasn't looking at my IM, looking now |
| 16:35.44 | mindjuju | NWIH |
| 16:36.29 | mindjuju | that's so crazy |
| 16:36.33 | fungus | tracking kids inside a school... that's the outrage... really? not a big deal. |
| 16:36.57 | fungus | They are responsible for that info anyway. |
| 16:37.08 | mindjuju | inside and outside of school |
| 16:37.28 | mgeary | the RFIDs wouldn't work outside of school, no? |
| 16:37.33 | mgeary | you'd need sensors |
| 16:37.48 | fungus | Not outside of school, just off premises (football field, etc) |
| 16:38.26 | mindjuju | for you guys, and in the spirit of compromise, go for it; for me absolutely not |
| 16:38.55 | mindjuju | Corban isn't a dog that needs to run with a tag to tell me where his location is at all times |
| 16:39.02 | mgeary | i'm not advocating for it, just pointing out that RFID has a max range of something like 30 ft, no? |
| 16:39.07 | fungus | Parents already expect schools to know where the kids are. This is just making it easier. |
| 16:39.08 | john_anderson | I wonder what data is on the tags |
| 16:39.35 | fungus | mindjuju, it's not "at all times" only at school, during school hours. |
| 16:39.36 | john_anderson | I think the worry is some perv with access to an RFID reader |
| 16:40.16 | mindjuju | that is a worry john_anderson, especially in light of the lost 12mil apple IDs i posted about yesterday that FBI still hasn't said why it had them |
| 16:40.37 | john_anderson | yeah all it takes some wierdo with a reader walking next to them at the mall |
| 16:40.38 | john_anderson | and |
| 16:40.41 | john_anderson | he's got that data |
| 16:40.50 | fungus | john_anderson, it's a nametag duh |
| 16:41.02 | fungus | Kids don't wear nametags outside of school |
| 16:41.18 | fungus | And what data would he get, ooh, some unique ID. woop de do |
| 16:41.25 | john_anderson | heh |
| 16:42.03 | mindjuju | that's why i say fungus, knock yourself out man, wear two if you like |
| 16:42.15 | mindjuju | in fact, you can have Corban's |
| 16:42.20 | mindjuju | no charge |
| 16:42.36 | john_anderson | Like I said, I'd just nuke my kids tags in the microwave every morning :) |
| 16:42.43 | mindjuju | word |
| 16:42.47 | fungus | mindjuju, lol, i'm not advocating it should be required for all people, or for outside of school. |
| 16:43.03 | fungus | but inside a school, it's a good idea. |
| 16:43.14 | mindjuju | you know part of my prob fungus, i jsut started playing HL 2 again |
| 16:43.16 | john_anderson | problem is it works outside of school |
| 16:43.26 | john_anderson | you can't turn it off |
| 16:43.30 | mindjuju | and seeing the flying cameras hovering around snapping pics |
| 16:43.34 | fungus | john_anderson, they take the nametag off |
| 16:43.38 | mindjuju | and knowing about the drones the police want to put in the air |
| 16:43.45 | fungus | You seem to forget that fact over and over |
| 16:43.46 | mindjuju | how can i differentiate between them? |
| 16:43.54 | john_anderson | fungus: being around their neck or in their bag doesn't make a difference |
| 16:44.26 | john_anderson | so it's data that's available to and from school at a minimum |
| 16:44.49 | john_anderson | and that's best case, assuming you go straight home and put it away |
| 16:45.00 | john_anderson | (more than 2m from an outside wall) :) |
| 16:45.53 | fungus | wow, talk about paranoid. |
| 16:46.12 | fungus | Do you carry a cell phone? |
| 16:46.20 | fungus | That's 100x worse |
| 16:46.28 | mindjuju | and it is a choice |
| 16:46.33 | mindjuju | this is forced |
| 16:46.34 | john_anderson | bingo |
| 16:47.14 | josephscott | easiest solution would be to not live in Texas ;-) |
| 16:47.36 | mindjuju | that's the solution today |
| 16:48.03 | Lone_Wanderer | So how come DW's never around? |
| 16:48.07 | fungus | If you are that paranoid, then send your kid to private school. |
| 16:48.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I need some terror to flap in my night. |
| 16:48.18 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, he's here but he's no longer Dataw0lf |
| 16:48.21 | mindjuju | he's now stderr- |
| 16:48.22 | fungus | And toss all your cell phones in the trash |
| 16:48.28 | Lone_Wanderer | he will always be DW to me. |
| 16:48.29 | mindjuju | like prince, he's changed his name |
| 16:48.33 | john_anderson | fungus: pretty sure everyone there can afford private school, so it's okay. |
| 16:48.56 | Bikerdan | Like someone posted on the article. We shouldn't be waiting for a large invasion of privacy before we start to be worried. The invasion will happen slowly, over time. We shouldn't let small things like this happen at all if we don't want the eventual "large" invasion to take place. Frog in a boiling pot and all... |
| 16:49.11 | Lone_Wanderer | haha, flying cameras hovering around |
| 16:49.12 | fungus | that level of paranoia is not healthy |
| 16:49.34 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, i'm serious! |
| 16:49.37 | mindjuju | ;) |
| 16:50.02 | mindjuju | come on man, somebody get me a crowbar i know how to take them down |
| 16:50.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Ah, the slippery slope argument. |
| 16:50.19 | fungus | exactly |
| 16:50.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't get what the problem with the cops having drones is. |
| 16:50.38 | josephscott | problem with pulling the slippery slope is that it means we can't be allowed to have reasonable analysis of options |
| 16:50.38 | mindjuju | how about it is none of their business where i go |
| 16:50.48 | Lone_Wanderer | So they can fly around and look at stuff. They can do that already, in a helicopter. |
| 16:51.11 | mindjuju | that's like asking what problem is it that the NSA grabs everybody's internet traffic and stores it |
| 16:51.12 | Lone_Wanderer | What, you think they're going to have them in the air 24/7 monitoring the whole city? |
| 16:51.22 | mindjuju | not today |
| 16:51.23 | josephscott | the other problem with slippery slope is that they are really hard to shovel snow off of in the winter |
| 16:51.32 | ninnypants | mgeary: We use Cart66 because it's easier to customize how product pages work/showup but wp-e-commerce isn't bad if you're not writing anything other than css |
| 16:51.41 | Lone_Wanderer | No, it's not like asking that at all, because "cops should get drones" != "cops should observe every action in the city 24/7" |
| 16:51.54 | Lone_Wanderer | haha js |
| 16:52.09 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: Why is it fewer and fewer people seem to value their inalienable rights? |
| 16:52.17 | john_anderson | I'm just glad people are questioning this and making the government prove its case. A level of apathy isn't healthy either. |
| 16:52.23 | john_anderson | It's just a bad idea. |
| 16:52.34 | john_anderson | Can't be that hard to figure out a better solution. |
| 16:52.35 | Lone_Wanderer | It's more like "Having access to cheap aerial surveillance would be good in a lot of different situations, and yes there are privacy concerns, but they're not unmanageable." |
| 16:52.35 | mindjuju | Bikerdan, i'm guessing it is something in the water |
| 16:52.56 | Lone_Wanderer | That's both a non sequitur and a something else, Bikerdan. |
| 16:52.56 | mindjuju | personally, i drink filtered |
| 16:52.59 | fungus | apathy is bad. But I already thought through the use cases. nametags in school = not a big deal. |
| 16:53.14 | Lone_Wanderer | False dichotomy. That's the other one. |
| 16:53.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Why is it a bad idea? What's the alternate solution? |
| 16:53.41 | mindjuju | what is wrong with status quo? |
| 16:53.50 | mindjuju | who asked for a solution? |
| 16:53.54 | mindjuju | is there a problem? |
| 16:53.57 | josephscott | now that is a reasonable question |
| 16:54.11 | fungus | mindjuju, yes there is a problem. |
| 16:54.15 | josephscott | I wonder if they had a problem historically with students leaving campus without their knowledge |
| 16:54.23 | fungus | truancy is the simplest example. |
| 16:54.35 | mindjuju | OH NO! TRUANCY! |
| 16:54.38 | Bikerdan | What is the problem with truancy? |
| 16:54.39 | mindjuju | holy crap!!!! |
| 16:54.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Honestly the best use for drones in Utah that I can see is for search and rescue. |
| 16:54.43 | Bikerdan | You were never late? |
| 16:54.44 | mindjuju | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 16:54.45 | captbrogers | My personal opinion: there is a growing trend among newer generations that seems to put the responsibility for ourselves and our children on the establishment. Not everyone thinks this, but I see it more and more |
| 16:54.47 | Bikerdan | Never skipped class? |
| 16:55.03 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - that's fair, i agree with it |
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| 16:55.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure LE would really like drones, and I can see some valid uses for them in that field |
| 16:55.16 | Lone_Wanderer | LE = Law Enforcement |
| 16:55.23 | mindjuju | captbrogers - bingo |
| 16:55.36 | fungus | mindjuju, another example, emergencies. |
| 16:55.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't really see what the big deal is. If they already have a helicopter, a drone is the same thing only much cheaper and much safer. |
| 16:56.03 | captbrogers | "Schools should teach what used to be taught by parents. Schools should worry about my child, not me. The establishment should take care of me" |
| 16:56.08 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - those are all good purposes you've listed, it's the loiter mode that bugs me |
| 16:56.14 | mindjuju | hope i spelled that close to right |
| 16:56.26 | Lone_Wanderer | People seem to be allergic to the word "drone" because it makes them think we're going to have this omnipresent eye in the sky that will create a panopticon. |
| 16:56.33 | captbrogers | That is not to say that any program that helps people is bad, I just see a difference between helping people who need it and taking care of someone who is otherwise capable of doing it themselves |
| 16:56.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is entirely unreasonable, unlikely and illegal. |
| 16:56.53 | Lone_Wanderer | What don't you like about loiter mode? |
| 16:56.57 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, that's exactly what they want and when the aerospace industry starts offering weapons on their drones, it becomes a big issue |
| 16:57.09 | mindjuju | cause i don't want something hovering overhead seeing what i'm doing |
| 16:57.16 | mindjuju | i don't see the need |
| 16:57.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you have some sort of evidence that cops want a panopticon? |
| 16:57.52 | josephscott | man, you must hate Google and the telco industry then :-) |
| 16:57.58 | captbrogers | I agree with mindjuju, unless there is an immediate need to use it, it shouldn't be used. If it were possible, I assume there would be police helicopters all over monitoring how we drive. |
| 16:58.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, I don't know why you're equating "loiter mode" with "hovering overhead seeing what you're doing". |
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| 16:58.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Loiter mode just means that you give the aircraft a coordinate and it flies in circles over those coordinates. |
| 16:58.46 | Lone_Wanderer | So the operator can have a coke or something. |
| 16:59.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It's just like normal operation only it requires less attention for the aircraft operator. |
| 16:59.09 | mindjuju | like i say, have them hover over your house and keep it safe |
| 16:59.12 | mindjuju | sounds good to me |
| 16:59.20 | mindjuju | i opt out |
| 16:59.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay but hang on a second here |
| 16:59.25 | mindjuju | i'll take my chance |
| 16:59.26 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: ^5 |
| 16:59.28 | john_anderson | http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/ |
| 16:59.29 | Lone_Wanderer | you're getting things mixed up |
| 16:59.41 | Lone_Wanderer | things that are outside of the argument about whether cops should have drones |
| 16:59.45 | mindjuju | ^5 |
| 17:00.04 | mindjuju | k, i'll back off and listen to Lone_Wanderer arguments |
| 17:00.05 | Lone_Wanderer | when you say "I don't like loiter mode", that's unrelated to whether or not cops should have drones |
| 17:00.24 | Lone_Wanderer | that's like saying "I don't like that helicopters can hover" or "I don't like that planes can fly in a circle" |
| 17:00.26 | mindjuju | it's one of the reasons why i feel that they shouldn't have it, that's the link |
| 17:00.31 | mindjuju | not all the reason, just 1 |
| 17:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | you're making a demon out of something that's completely harmless |
| 17:00.57 | Lone_Wanderer | and I'm saying that not liking loiter mode is a really, really silly reason for not wanting police to have drones |
| 17:01.08 | mindjuju | says you |
| 17:01.11 | Bikerdan | They just don't understand mindjuju. |
| 17:01.12 | Lone_Wanderer | it's like saying, why do cops get new cruisers, they don't need them, plus they have cruise control! We can't have cruise control! |
| 17:01.13 | captbrogers | Many things we feel are truths depend heavily on our point of view. |
| 17:01.24 | Lone_Wanderer | No, listen. I was a UAV crew chief in the Army. |
| 17:01.27 | josephscott | cop cars shouldn't have the ability to stop :-) |
| 17:01.34 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm trying to help you refine your argument here. |
| 17:01.49 | Lone_Wanderer | "Loiter mode" is neither here nor there. |
| 17:02.01 | mindjuju | not the same argument josephscott, some law enforcement presenece is a good deterant to crime, having a copy on every street corner checking papers |
| 17:02.06 | Lone_Wanderer | You have some really valid points and some things that are really good concerns and bear serious consideration. |
| 17:02.13 | mindjuju | why don't we just get it over and put cops on every corner |
| 17:02.28 | josephscott | mindjuju: I think you are missing Lone_Wanderer's point entirely |
| 17:02.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't happen to agree with you on those specific points, but what I'm saying about loiter mode is outside of that disagreement. |
| 17:02.47 | mindjuju | what i'm saying is sarcasim |
| 17:02.50 | captbrogers | mindjuju: why stop there? Why not have an officer, a lawyer, and a government official in your home at all times. Protect you where you reside the most? |
| 17:02.56 | josephscott | I think he is right in that focusing so much on loiter mode makes for a weak argument |
| 17:02.59 | Bikerdan | It has less to do with the mode that the drone is in. It has much more to do with the amount of power that is given to the people who think they own us. |
| 17:03.06 | mindjuju | that's my point exactly captbrogers |
| 17:03.12 | Lone_Wanderer | When you say that a UAV is in loiter mode, it just means it's staying in one place. That's not bad or good, it has nothing to do with whether the cops are invading your privacy. |
| 17:03.22 | Utah_Dave | I'm very pro law enforcement. That being said, it's important that they not have unlimited power for their investigations. |
| 17:03.38 | Utah_Dave | and their ability to view or inspect everything about your life |
| 17:03.43 | Lone_Wanderer | A helicopter, a guy on the ground, an airplane, etc. etc. can do the exact same thing. Just because there's a fancy word for it doesn't make it good or bad. |
| 17:03.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I agree, Utah_Dave |
| 17:04.07 | mindjuju | agree with Utah_Dave, the FBI putting GPS tracker without warrant because they felt it was public data utnil a court slapped them |
| 17:04.08 | Lone_Wanderer | although tbh I'm definitely not pro-LE |
| 17:04.11 | mindjuju | this is wrong |
| 17:04.18 | Lone_Wanderer | in fact I'm generally anti-LE |
| 17:04.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I think the tendency in the US is for LE departments to expand and abuse their power |
| 17:04.47 | mindjuju | yes, i agree with that |
| 17:04.59 | Lone_Wanderer | and that if we allowed them to, they would expand and abuse their power until we were living in an honest-to-god police state not unlike Nazi Germany. |
| 17:05.11 | mindjuju | i'd like to keep their power in check |
| 17:05.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I know that's hyperbole, but I've known a lot of cops, and while they're good people in general, their perspective seems seriously skewed. |
| 17:05.25 | Utah_Dave | I worked for the FBI for 2 years as a monitor doing Title III wiretaps. When they're used appropriately, wiretaps are INDISPENSABLE for taking down the real bad guys. |
| 17:05.33 | josephscott | so far all those concerned about over reach of power, I assume back in 2010 you all wrote your state reps to complain about http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/hbillhtm/hb0150.htm right? |
| 17:05.35 | captbrogers | Lone_Wanderer: I think the problem is that having a drone in the air, while it may be used 99% of the time in actual crimes being committed, is that it won't stop at one drone. Soon it will be more and more, then there will be more drones than needed so police may start looking for crime |
| 17:05.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, UT_Dave, I'm not saying LE should have *no* power. Just that I see in the LE community a trend toward gradual expansion of power. |
| 17:05.59 | josephscott | ah, there we go, someone had to mention Nazis |
| 17:06.21 | Utah_Dave | but there have to be tight controls on them. And as far as regular criminal investigations, they are |
| 17:06.23 | Lone_Wanderer | captbrogers - that is the slippery slope argument, which is a horrible reason not to do something |
| 17:06.48 | Lone_Wanderer | but, all of that aside, I don't see any reason why drones *per se* are a problem. |
| 17:07.04 | josephscott | stop with the 'what might happen', go look at something that has happened, in Utah, right here, that impacts everyone on this channel http://le.utah.gov/~2010/htmdoc/hbillhtm/hb0150.htm |
| 17:07.43 | mindjuju | i'm not sure i agree with the argument against slippery slope, if you don't shore up the issue, why won't it slip? |
| 17:07.44 | captbrogers | Lone_Wanderer: Why is it bad? What is the reason behind not viewing things as they could be? |
| 17:07.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Should I be looking at the 150 substitute? |
| 17:07.52 | mindjuju | show me the defenses against slippery slope |
| 17:08.07 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju, it's not realistic |
| 17:08.11 | mindjuju | says who? |
| 17:08.15 | Lone_Wanderer | umm |
| 17:08.18 | josephscott | http://www.windley.com/archives/2010/02/hb150_gives_too_great_a_power_to_state.shtml |
| 17:08.18 | Lone_Wanderer | reason? |
| 17:08.26 | Bikerdan | lol |
| 17:08.45 | Lone_Wanderer | It is not true that if you give a mouse a cookie, the world will end in thermonuclear war. |
| 17:08.57 | captbrogers | Lone_Wanderer: According to whom? Who's reason is that? Why is that reason greater than mine? |
| 17:09.00 | mindjuju | that is hardly related |
| 17:09.12 | mindjuju | but allow a mouse to live in happiness and he will breed in your house |
| 17:09.17 | mindjuju | that's a fair slippery slope |
| 17:09.19 | Bikerdan | To me, slippery slope is just a way to anticipate what might happen. It's better to be prepared for the worst than to be taken by surprise. |
| 17:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | That's not a slippery slope argument though. |
| 17:09.35 | Lone_Wanderer | That's just a fact - mice make baby mice. |
| 17:09.51 | mindjuju | sure it is, you feel his presense doesn't affect you, the slippery slope is the unintended consequence of inaction |
| 17:09.57 | Lone_Wanderer | A slippery slope argument in this case would be "If you give a mouse a cookie, eventually you will have a horse in your living room." |
| 17:10.05 | mindjuju | not related |
| 17:10.16 | mindjuju | not a valid slippery slope argument |
| 17:10.26 | josephscott | haha, mindjuju that is his point :-) |
| 17:10.27 | mindjuju | let's stick with the mouse + mouse breeding |
| 17:10.40 | Lone_Wanderer | "Because if you're willing to feed a mouse, why not feed a rat? If you'l feed a rat, why not a dog? If you'll feed a dog, why not a pony? If you'l feed a pony, why not a horse? Heck, soon you'll have elephants in your house!" |
| 17:11.01 | Lone_Wanderer | The slipper slope argument is about "what we will allow" |
| 17:11.02 | Bikerdan | Elephants can't fit in my house. |
| 17:11.05 | Bikerdan | Invalid |
| 17:11.10 | Lone_Wanderer | i.e. "If we allow X, we will eventually allow Y" |
| 17:11.21 | Lone_Wanderer | because X is closer to Y than the status quo is |
| 17:11.57 | Lone_Wanderer | the argument "If we allow X, then X will go off somewhere else and do Y" is not a slippery slope argument - although it may be a true and valid argument, it's not a slippery slope argument |
| 17:12.00 | mindjuju | obviously i'm failing to see your point, let's dumb it down a notch and pull it to mouse and mouse breeding |
| 17:12.26 | Lone_Wanderer | If you said "If you feed a mouse a cookie, then you will also *allow* mice to breed in your home" then you have a slippery slope argument. |
| 17:12.37 | mindjuju | k, i see that |
| 17:12.50 | mindjuju | we agree that's a slippery slope argument? |
| 17:13.10 | Lone_Wanderer | So your argument about cops (correct me if I'm wrong) is that if we allow them to have one drone, then we will eventually allow them to have hundreds of them and they will watch everyone all the time. |
| 17:13.28 | mahelious | can give us a tl;dr summary of this hb 150 thing? |
| 17:13.50 | mindjuju | right, captbrogers and I argue that point |
| 17:13.56 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah I didn't read the hb 150 thing either |
| 17:14.03 | Lone_Wanderer | but I am curious what it's about |
| 17:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | and the link to the article about it has scrolled off :( |
| 17:14.28 | ninnypants | mahelious: officials can request data from your isp without a warrant |
| 17:14.33 | captbrogers | mahelious: You used a computer? Yeah, we can now legally take anything and everything electrical you touched and demand that any service you used just hand over all your recods. |
| 17:15.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I just don't think that's a valid argument, mindjuju. Just because I find cops with drones acceptable (which I obviously do) does not mean I would eventually find an omnipresent panopticon of drones acceptable (I definitely would not) |
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| 17:15.33 | captbrogers | Lone_Wanderer: Which boils down to one thing, you draw the line in one place, I draw the line in another. |
| 17:15.45 | mahelious | the house bill was from 2010. did it pass? what is the substitute? do police today actually have those powers? |
| 17:15.46 | mindjuju | but that doesn't mean we can't find common ground and work this out |
| 17:15.46 | josephscott | mahelious: sure, 3 paragraphs at http://www.windley.com/archives/2010/02/hb150_gives_too_great_a_power_to_state.shtml |
| 17:15.50 | Lone_Wanderer | And I disagree with where you've placed the line :P |
| 17:15.55 | captbrogers | We have different opinions, but doesn't invalidate either |
| 17:16.10 | mindjuju | first off with the drones, they want industry guidelines, not laws |
| 17:16.48 | mindjuju | second, we need to maintain a judge to help police determine when it is warranted |
| 17:16.54 | captbrogers | Do I think a drone could be extremely helpful? Yes. Do I think it should be used on a case by case basis, e.g. police are chasing someone and want a drone to track them? Of course. Should it stay in the air when there isn't an immediate need? No |
| 17:17.07 | Lone_Wanderer | honestly, I think a much more serious issue than whether the cops should own a specific piece of hardware is the question of how they're allowed to use that hardware and what oversights are put in place to ensure they abide by the restrictions |
| 17:17.07 | mindjuju | word |
| 17:17.22 | mindjuju | totally agree |
| 17:18.00 | Lone_Wanderer | in the end I think this whole "cops with drones" issue is going to be a good thing regardless of how it turns out, because it shines a huge spotlight on police powers, which is desperately needed |
| 17:18.03 | ninnypants | I think that's where things get messy because you end up with things like the Patriot act not saying that will be the case with drones but something to think about |
| 17:18.24 | Lone_Wanderer | one of the things I would demand, if cops got drones, is that they maintain a live stream of drone footage to the public any time it's in the air |
| 17:18.40 | ninnypants | +1 |
| 17:18.44 | Lone_Wanderer | so they can't look at anything without everyone knowing what they're looking at (if you choose to look at it) |
| 17:19.05 | mindjuju | that sounds good |
| 17:19.20 | Lone_Wanderer | (Drones are too expensive to maintain to keep them in flight at all times. Also it's a pain in the ass to maintain a fleet of 24/7 drone coverage on an ongoing basis.) |
| 17:19.26 | Lone_Wanderer | (I know, I've done it.) |
| 17:21.30 | josephscott | Lone_Wanderer: don't let facts and experience get in the way ;-) |
| 17:22.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, hb150 makes me wish I still lived in Utah so I could ask someone to vote against it. |
| 17:22.11 | captbrogers | Since when has such a trifling thing as being a pain stopped something from happening? |
| 17:22.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Since the FAA got authority to control what flies and what doesn't. |
| 17:23.37 | captbrogers | War is a pain in the ass, yet it still happens. |
| 17:23.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Payroll for 20 people who do nothing but maintain aircraft, plus the replacement parts (engines, filters, pumps, flight computers and optics packages) |
| 17:23.54 | Lone_Wanderer | (and keep in mind you have to swap those out CONSTANTLY) |
| 17:24.44 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: same thing for wiretaps. It costs roughly 30,000 to 40,000 dollars a month to tap one phone (including manpower, etc) |
| 17:24.50 | captbrogers | Then if it is something that is so high maintenance, why is it being used at all? If it needs so much manpower to work, it doesn't have much value then to me. |
| 17:24.56 | Lone_Wanderer | We required a new prop (about $150 or so, iirc) every 50 hours of flight time. And that's the cheapest part that's scheduled for regular replacement. |
| 17:25.15 | Lone_Wanderer | That's a good point. |
| 17:25.40 | Lone_Wanderer | The cost to maintain them scales up exponentially with the mission requirements. If you have to fly 25 hours in a month, it's cheap. |
| 17:26.15 | Lone_Wanderer | If you have to maintain 24/7 operations, it's going to cost the city millions and millions of dollars every month to maintain that. |
| 17:26.57 | Lone_Wanderer | So if you compare it to maintaining a helicopter, for example, a drone is about 1/10th the price in hardware alone, and your payroll for it is about half as much. |
| 17:27.01 | captbrogers | I'm not against police being able to use technology to aide them in capturing criminals or stop a crime in progress, it's that I feel that the world should operate more on a basis of personal responsibility. Instead of spending time and money on things to help us stop crimes in progress, we should be doing more for our community to stop them before they start by educating and providing opportunities to have people live a good life without crime. |
| 17:27.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Ongoing maintenance and fuel costs are a lot lower, too. |
| 17:27.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So if you already have aerial surveillance in some form, replacing it with a drone makes a lot of sense financially. |
| 17:28.02 | captbrogers | But it won't be a replacement, it will be an addition |
| 17:28.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it should be a replacement. |
| 17:28.19 | captbrogers | But it isn't. It should be, but it isn't. |
| 17:28.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Citation? |
| 17:28.38 | josephscott | reference? |
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| 17:29.16 | josephscott | that said, I'm not sure I'd be in favor of replacing all helicopters with drones |
| 17:29.28 | captbrogers | I have not once heard that they were replacing them. Citation that they are? |
| 17:29.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not? |
| 17:29.34 | mindjuju | o |
| 17:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, why wouldn't you want to replace helicopters with drones? |
| 17:29.59 | josephscott | hard to carry people in drones |
| 17:30.02 | mindjuju | i'm not sure the size of the drones, but i have seen police sharpshooters on the helicopters, can' they ride the drones too? |
| 17:30.12 | mindjuju | limh |
| 17:30.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Why must we have cops in helicopters? |
| 17:30.33 | mindjuju | i'm just teasin' now Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:30.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I was asking josephscott |
| 17:30.56 | josephscott | not sure about must, but it seems like it would be a reasonable option to have |
| 17:31.08 | josephscott | to get folks out to remote locations faster |
| 17:31.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't see any reason why cops have to be able to fly around, and I can think of several reasons why it's a bad idea |
| 17:31.28 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, I guess if you had to get people into the mountains or something that might not be so bad |
| 17:31.29 | josephscott | never, zero reasons, not even one? |
| 17:31.42 | Lone_Wanderer | not in a purely urban setting, no |
| 17:33.00 | josephscott | well, since the vast majority of land in Utah is not urban exploring other uses could be handy |
| 17:33.19 | josephscott | vast majority of land in the U.S. for that matter |
| 17:33.40 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, but still... I dunno, the idea that LE should maintain what is essentialy an air assault group seems like a really bad idea |
| 17:34.03 | josephscott | they do that currently right? (serious question) |
| 17:34.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I think in some places they do, yeah. |
| 17:34.49 | Benni_Hanna1 | http://www.xanthir.com/b4Ko0 |
| 17:35.05 | Lone_Wanderer | (And I think it's dumb of them to do that.) |
| 17:35.23 | Lone_Wanderer | But, maybe you really do need to have flying cops. I don't know. |
| 17:37.03 | ninnypants | seems like the only urban use case would be something like SWAT for dropping officers on top of buildings or something |
| 17:37.15 | ninnypants | there isn't much else you couldn't replace with a drone |
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| 17:41.33 | captbrogers | On to a different topic, but not bringing this up as a debate, anyone hear about Target that used purchase history to predict a 17 year old girl was pregnant and send her some coupons? |
| 17:41.55 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:42.12 | josephscott | yeah, that was impressive |
| 17:42.23 | josephscott | talk about data mining |
| 17:42.31 | mindjuju | her dad received the coupons for pregnancy and wrote Target about targeting his daughter, and that's how he learned about his daughter >18yrs old was preggers |
| 17:42.33 | mindjuju | classic |
| 17:42.34 | captbrogers | That kind of freaked me out, that they are paying that much attention to customers |
| 17:43.06 | josephscott | captbrogers: really? I fully expect retailers to try an optimize as much as possible |
| 17:43.33 | mindjuju | yeah, i've got to agree with josephscott on this one. run cash if you want to be anonymous |
| 17:43.43 | josephscott | another tip I've heard |
| 17:43.52 | josephscott | since most rewards cards are phone numbers |
| 17:44.16 | josephscott | use this: <YOUR_AREA_CODE>-867-5309 |
| 17:44.17 | captbrogers | josephscott: I don't mind a little optimization |
| 17:44.24 | ninnypants | didn't they already claim to have Romney's tax records http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-news/anonymous-group-allegedly-hacked-romney-tax-records-franklin-firm |
| 17:44.27 | josephscott | and cash of course :-) |
| 17:44.29 | captbrogers | Just seems crazy to me that they were that good |
| 17:44.41 | mindjuju | yeah, the rewards cards, Bill Clinton has been getting coupons for me for a LONG time :) |
| 17:44.50 | captbrogers | Though the thing that really scares me is how much computing power Amazon is putting together |
| 17:45.34 | ninnypants | mindjuju: Cashiers are always kind of taken aback when I say no to giving them my phone or email |
| 17:45.36 | SunSparc | ~Amazon++ |
| 17:45.41 | fungus | Like mindjuju said, remember just because you don't have a "rewards" card, they can still track you by CC number. |
| 17:46.02 | TuxToaster | doh, just found out that remotely locking your Mac using iCloud causes it to reboot. |
| 17:46.36 | fungus | lol |
| 17:46.37 | TuxToaster | you'd think it would just lock the screen |
| 17:46.46 | josephscott | for reference, always use cash when buying 2600 from the book store |
| 17:46.52 | fungus | No, I think it's FDE |
| 17:47.11 | josephscott | ideally in a different town than the one you live in :-) |
| 17:47.33 | fungus | lol, buying 2600 would definitely be a red flag for sure. |
| 17:47.54 | SunSparc | An Atari 2600? |
| 17:48.01 | fungus | no, the magazine |
| 17:48.21 | ninnypants | hmm maybe I shouldn't have that on auto purchase from amazon |
| 17:48.22 | fungus | $google 2600 |
| 17:48.23 | raifbot | fungus searching http://www.google.com/search?q=2600 -- http://www.2600.com/ -- http://www.2600.com/magazine/ -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly |
| 17:49.14 | josephscott | oh, and grow a beard first, to make sure an security cameras in the store won't easily match your face (along with hat, glasses, etc.) |
| 17:49.28 | josephscott | just saying :-) |
| 17:49.35 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:49.36 | captbrogers | Which is why I dress as Slenderman when I go shopping |
| 17:49.51 | josephscott | of course I can't imagine that it is any worse than running a Tor exit node ;-) |
| 17:50.21 | mindjuju | i've never thought about wearing disguises, but I do usually just say my name is Mr. Sun Sparc |
| 17:50.37 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 17:50.56 | SunSparc | ~SunSparc mindjuju |
| 17:51.13 | SunSparc | hmmm... need to make an action out of myself... |
| 17:51.24 | josephscott | ~mindjuju SunSparc |
| 17:51.37 | TuxToaster | ~TuxToaster SunSparc |
| 17:51.38 | ibot | ACTION pours gas all over SunSparc, stands back and tosses a match |
| 17:51.42 | captbrogers | "I'm Mr. S. Sparc, no that sounds too close. I'll go with Sun S." |
| 17:51.59 | mindjuju | i love that simpsons episode |
| 17:52.19 | mindjuju | lisa the vegetarian FTW |
| 17:52.32 | skinner | ~skinner SunSparc |
| 17:52.32 | ibot | ACTION buries SunSparc in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 17:52.56 | TuxToaster | ~verbify SunSparc |
| 17:53.21 | SunSparc | ~retaliate the channel |
| 17:53.22 | captbrogers | ~skinner skinner |
| 17:53.22 | ibot | ACTION buries skinner in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 17:53.32 | captbrogers | ~captbrogers skinner |
| 17:53.38 | captbrogers | <sad trumbone> |
| 17:54.19 | SunSparc | So, who is signing up to be one of the first humans on Mars? http://mars-one.com/ |
| 17:54.34 | TuxToaster | *crickets* |
| 17:54.35 | mindjuju | i saw your tweet on that |
| 17:55.08 | TuxToaster | I can't help but picture Wall-E roaming around up there when they talk about the rovers |
| 17:55.13 | SunSparc | I REALLY want to sign up. I am sure Mrs. Sparc will have words for me if I did though. |
| 17:55.16 | TuxToaster | esp. the one that's been up there for years |
| 17:55.40 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: Good old Opportunity. |
| 17:55.43 | TuxToaster | SunSparc: just tell her you want to go home. *rimshot* |
| 17:55.58 | mindjuju | mars, there is a fine place for drones |
| 17:56.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh man, I would never run a Tor exit node unless I had like a dozen lawyers on call 24/7. |
| 17:57.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I've decided that if my current GF dies I'm going to sign up. |
| 17:57.35 | romanovic | Lone_Wanderer: was there a crackdown or something? |
| 17:58.17 | SunSparc | Lone_Wanderer: Yep, if I was single, I would have already signed up. What would be better if my wife signed up with me. :) |
| 17:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that I know of, but I know what kind of stuff would be flowing through my network and I don't need that kind of trouble. |
| 17:58.49 | Lone_Wanderer | What I need to do is find a woman who's likely to get accepted, then sign up together. |
| 17:59.16 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like a honeymoon, only to a different planet and you die there! |
| 17:59.32 | Lone_Wanderer | My pioneer ancestors would be so proud. |
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| 17:59.57 | fungus | romanovic, no direct crackdown, but the exit node is always the first one blamed when "bad traffic" is found coming from it. |
| 18:00.19 | fungus | And it can be hard to prove that the traffic didn't come from you personally. |
| 18:01.57 | DexterTheDragon | http://anon.xmission.com/ |
| 18:03.08 | SunSparc | Lone_Wanderer: lol |
| 18:04.44 | SunSparc | ibot: setup a tor exit node on DexterTheDragon's computer |
| 18:04.57 | SunSparc | Hmmm... that would be a good lart.. |
| 18:05.17 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 18:05.26 | TuxToaster | ~tor SunSparc |
| 18:05.51 | TuxToaster | ibot, tor is sets up a tor exit node on $1's computer |
| 18:05.51 | ibot | ...but tor is already something else... |
| 18:05.59 | TuxToaster | ibot, tor $1 is sets up a tor exit node on $1's computer |
| 18:05.59 | ibot | TuxToaster: okay |
| 18:06.02 | TuxToaster | ~tor SunSparc |
| 18:06.02 | ibot | sets up a tor exit node on SunSparc's computer |
| 18:06.05 | TuxToaster | :D |
| 18:06.16 | SunSparc | Nice :) |
| 18:06.20 | DexterTheDragon | ~tor |
| 18:06.20 | ibot | tor is probably a network of virtual tunnels that allows people and groups to improve their privacy and security on the Internet. See tor.eff.org |
| 18:06.47 | josePHPagoda | i thought for a second there, we'd be seeing an xmission to mars |
| 18:07.53 | SunSparc | I am not surprised that XMission hosts an exit node. |
| 18:07.59 | SunSparc | ~XMission++ |
| 18:08.13 | SunSparc | They love to thumb their nose at the man. |
| 18:11.13 | captbrogers | I really wish I could have XMission as my ISP again |
| 18:11.19 | captbrogers | I had them with Utopia, and they were the best |
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| 18:16.57 | SunSparc | Wheeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 18:16.59 | TuxToaster | now everything you say will be on a time delay |
| 18:17.27 | SunSparc | Not with a fiber connection. :) |
| 18:17.31 | TuxToaster | lol |
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| 18:18.17 | captbrogers | I wish I could get it again. Sadly, Springville is full of people that don't need it or seem to want it |
| 18:18.20 | SunSparc | Hmm... if I am going to Mars, I am going to need an iPod with greater storage capacity... |
| 18:18.35 | captbrogers | Provo (north) has it, and Spanish Fork (south) has some too I believe |
| 18:18.41 | SunSparc | ~lart people who do not want fiber connections |
| 18:18.41 | ibot | farts in people who do not want fiber connections's general direction |
| 18:19.31 | SunSparc | I am surrounded by Utopia connections. Literally. It is at the end of my street. Has been for years. And there it sits. |
| 18:22.45 | fungus | SunSparc, yes there will still be a time delay, even over fiber. At Mars's closest position to earth the delay would be a minimum of 3 minutes. |
| 18:22.53 | TuxToaster | problem in SL county is the fact that most (if not all) of Utopia is within the I-15 corridor |
| 18:23.13 | macnewbold | in SL County, last I heard the only places that had utopia were within Murray and Midvale city limits |
| 18:23.16 | TuxToaster | and my house is about as far as you can get from I-15 |
| 18:23.39 | SunSparc | fungus: Good to know. I will calibrate my communicators appropriately. |
| 18:23.41 | macnewbold | i was super upset when salt lake city (thanks to Rocky) didn't get on board with utopia |
| 18:23.44 | TuxToaster | macnewbold: could be.. I'm pretty sure WVC is on the list of supporting cities, but no idea if they've actually built any of that |
| 18:23.50 | macnewbold | ah, that might be right |
| 18:23.56 | macnewbold | maybe it was WVC not murray |
| 18:24.12 | fungus | WVC and Murray both are on Utopia |
| 18:24.14 | macnewbold | we almost got office space in Midvale primarily for access toutopia |
| 18:24.21 | TuxToaster | well I know for a fact Murray has it built out, I have always assumed WVC had a little of it |
| 18:24.22 | fungus | Midvale too |
| 18:24.40 | TuxToaster | but I'm guessing you'd have to live on the eastern edge of WVC to even have a chance |
| 18:25.00 | fungus | TuxToaster, or close to I-215 |
| 18:25.13 | TuxToaster | fungus: did they build near there as well? |
| 18:25.18 | fungus | yup |
| 18:25.34 | TuxToaster | nice, that's at least something |
| 18:25.36 | fungus | I have a branch by Valley Fair Mall that has Utopia |
| 18:26.15 | TuxToaster | I'm at almost 70th west, so neither of those help me, but at least it's a little closer. :P |
| 18:26.18 | peno | utopia extends to about where pioneer valley hospital is. |
| 18:26.34 | peno | iirc |
| 18:26.50 | TuxToaster | wow, that means my old house was fairly close |
| 18:27.32 | TuxToaster | would have sucked to have it there and then lost it when I moved though |
| 18:27.57 | peno | i live about a mile and half south of where they stopped rolling it out. :( |
| 18:28.13 | TuxToaster | oi |
| 18:29.34 | TuxToaster | even if they did actually roll it out further I have a feeling I'd be fighting for it -- the area I live in is right on the edge of West Jordan, so it's a bit of limbo as to whether WJ or the county claim responsibility for the area |
| 18:30.01 | peno | yay border town! |
| 18:31.12 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 18:32.14 | peno | their offices are just down the street from mine, but no utopia here. |
| 18:37.29 | mindjuju | anybody have a minute to read an ssl connection with me? |
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| 18:42.43 | SunSparc | mindjuju: sounds like exciting reading |
| 18:44.17 | mindjuju | sorry sunsparc, all done |
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| 18:44.24 | mindjuju | it went faster than i thoguht |
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| 18:46.41 | captbrogers | ibot, captbrogers $1 is Captbrogers condescends to judge over $1, and has found them guilty of being a troll. Banish them to the realm of apathy and horrible internet memes! |
| 18:46.41 | ibot | okay, captbrogers |
| 18:46.49 | captbrogers | ~captbrogers mindjuju |
| 18:46.49 | ibot | Captbrogers condescends to judge over mindjuju, and has found them guilty of being a troll. Banish them to the realm of apathy and horrible internet memes! |
| 18:46.59 | captbrogers | lol |
| 19:01.03 | TuxToaster | nice |
| 19:04.06 | mindjuju | this is from an apache access log, what does the 33 mean? 200.136.0.3 - - [05/Sep/2012:13:01:47 -0600] "GET /example.php HTTP/1.1" 200 33 |
| 19:04.18 | mindjuju | at the end |
| 19:04.34 | mindjuju | the 200 is a response code, just not able to wrap head around the 33 part |
| 19:05.06 | captbrogers | What does the apache config say for your log formats? |
| 19:05.07 | fungus | I think thats bytes transferred |
| 19:05.30 | captbrogers | Yeah, I was going to say it may be size of object returned |
| 19:05.36 | captbrogers | Looking at the docs |
| 19:05.40 | mindjuju | gotcha, thx |
| 19:08.01 | mindjuju | so fungus, where did you see that, i obviuosly have more reading to do on this :) |
| 19:08.08 | mindjuju | i am doing better though :) |
| 19:08.48 | fungus | I assumed based on my previous experience. |
| 19:09.00 | fungus | But the docs are here. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_log_config.html |
| 19:09.29 | fungus | and they concur w/ my assumption, unless you changed the default logging format. |
| 19:09.32 | mindjuju | rsync -ave ssh root@fungus:/ root@mj:/ |
| 19:09.36 | macnewbold | mindjuju: what fungus said - it's typically content length, if you're using a standard log format |
| 19:10.26 | TuxToaster | cat /dev/urandom > /home/mj/ |
| 19:10.38 | mindjuju | dag! |
| 19:10.58 | captbrogers | rm -rf /* |
| 19:13.21 | josephscott | nice stuff on staff tools at github.com https://github.com/blog/1252-how-we-keep-github-fast |
| 19:28.44 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 19:28.45 | raifbot | overclocks TuxToaster until TuxToaster burns out. |
| 19:29.18 | TuxToaster | apparently, 1-in-54 odds are pretty good. |
| 19:44.27 | mindjuju | the REALLY REAL twilight! I knew it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmxSk0wZxss |
| 19:55.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:58.17 | captbrogers | I feel like I just watched the whole movie |
| 19:58.33 | mindjuju | i have yet to see about 2 minutes of it |
| 19:58.47 | mindjuju | this constitutes a doubling of that time invested in twilight |
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| 20:08.33 | mahelious | whos the lithium evangelist here? |
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| 20:12.24 | macnewbold | john_anderson is the guy you want i think |
| 20:12.30 | captbrogers | But he just left |
| 20:12.56 | mahelious | missed him by 10 minutes. shoot. |
| 20:21.14 | mgeary | he doesn't do Cake anymore? |
| 20:40.50 | macnewbold | mgeary: lithium is an offshoot of Cake kinda - mostly a subset of the cake core team went to do lithium |
| 20:42.00 | ninnypants | mgeary: I'm not sure if it got lost in the drone discussion earlier, but did you figure out everything you needed with WordPress shopping carts? |
| 20:42.12 | mgeary | ninnypants: no. just looking around |
| 20:42.29 | ninnypants | another you could try is woocommerce |
| 20:43.01 | ninnypants | I think I saw in #wordpress that it's pretty extensible |
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| 20:44.01 | clintberry | I've used woocommerce. I liked it okay. |
| 20:44.18 | ninnypants | and the StoreFront Themes guy told me a while back to make wp-e-commerce more themeable they just ditched most of it's templates and wrote everything in normal WP code |
| 20:44.29 | mgeary | looks like there is a plugin to get Magento and WordPress working together |
| 20:44.34 | ninnypants | clintberry: yeah none are really great |
| 20:45.29 | clintberry | mgeary: Lot's of memory overhead with the solutions I have tried for that integration |
| 20:45.45 | mgeary | i've heard magento is a resource pig |
| 20:46.00 | clintberry | Yeah, and wordpress with magento is worse |
| 20:46.26 | clintberry | But if you use some good caching or Varnish, it can work great |
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| 20:47.40 | captbrogers | mgeary: I know I'm not a genius but when I tried to set up magento for my wife, I couldn't even get a product to show up on the front page. After an hour of searching on line, messing with settings, and digging through code, I just gave up on it |
| 20:48.01 | captbrogers | It was honestly that difficult for me, but this was two years ago |
| 20:48.42 | mgeary | yeah. my preference would be to use Django/Satchmo, but the potential client has some Magento plugin he wants to re-use |
| 20:48.49 | macnewbold | ew |
| 20:48.54 | clintberry | captbrogers: I know what you are talking about. magento isn't for the feint of heart. But I do have a link for you for that very problem if you want to try it again |
| 20:49.25 | captbrogers | clintberry: I'm good now, we ended up not needing the site after 90% of my wife's merch was stolen from our van |
| 20:49.45 | clintberry | ouch… sorry to hear it |
| 20:50.53 | captbrogers | Yeah, she did crafty stuff and sold them at her parent's home-town celebrations or other little conventions. We came home late one night after a long drive and I left it in the back of the van because I didn't feel like hauling it all inside. Went out the next morning to get it and it was all gone |
| 20:51.29 | captbrogers | I got Square for my phone so she could take cards, I was going to set up a little site for her to refer people to when handing out her business cards |
| 20:51.30 | clintberry | Wow, someone stole a box of home made crafts from your car. That is pretty low |
| 20:51.45 | captbrogers | Yeah, I feel like there is a special place in hell for that person |
| 20:52.15 | captbrogers | It was knitted stuff and infant carseat covers/blankets |
| 20:52.24 | captbrogers | Who in their right mind steals that kind of stuff |
| 20:52.39 | skinner | No one in their right mind |
| 20:52.43 | captbrogers | Based on how much she would sell them for, she lost about $500 worth of merch |
| 20:52.48 | skinner | maybe their left? |
| 20:53.04 | captbrogers | Never trust a person who is in their left mind |
| 20:53.05 | clintberry | $500 and probably hours and hours of time |
| 20:54.04 | captbrogers | Yeah, that's just the monetary value. She spent a lot of time making everything. She was so upset over it she hasn't really made anything like them since |
| 20:54.23 | captbrogers | For skinner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB3dCljuzw <-- 3 hours of Goyte |
| 21:00.38 | ninnypants | http://cubieboard.org/ |
| 21:00.55 | ninnypants | captbrogers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4480874 |
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| 21:43.22 | TuxToaster | http://gizmodo.com/5940784/nokia-faked-its-pureview-demo-and-then-claimed-they-never-said-it-was-real |
| 21:43.24 | TuxToaster | fail |
| 21:43.34 | TuxToaster | and the Batman & Robin comment at the bottom is awesome |
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| 21:51.15 | SunSparc | TuxToaster: It does look like Batman and Robin in the window. |
| 21:53.06 | TuxToaster | yup yup |
| 21:53.30 | TuxToaster | once you see it... you can't unsee it. |
| 21:56.20 | SunSparc | Totally |
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| 22:10.11 | ninnypants | carmony: did you ever post your code for graphite/statsD? |
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| 22:25.02 | ninnypants | Apparently x96 decided that mysql error from a month ago wasn't worth fixing |
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| 23:05.05 | carmony | ninnypants: not yet, I need to |
| 23:05.16 | carmony | ninnypants: what error? |
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| 23:48.36 | fungus | Does anyone actually use those anti-static wrist straps? Ugh, just more crap to fill a landfill. |
| 23:48.57 | SunSparc | I always think I should, but never do. |
| 23:49.22 | SunSparc | But I do wear my helmet when I ride my bike! :) |
| 23:49.37 | skinner | anti-static wrist straps on a bike....weird |
| 23:49.55 | fungus | heh, I just get extra annoyed every time I get one that comes with a replacement part. |
| 23:49.57 | SunSparc | In Utah, it gets pretty dry. :) |
| 23:50.12 | fungus | Now, helmets. Those actually make sense. |
| 23:50.33 | skinner | helmets while working on a computer....i guess so... |
| 23:50.41 | SunSparc | Yeah, the extra stuff seems like a nice gesture. They are probably doing it to cover their tails. |
| 23:50.54 | fungus | The number of computer parts I have zapped w/ static is less than 1% |
| 23:51.09 | fungus | The number of bike accidents I have had is a whole lot higher. |
| 23:51.20 | SunSparc | I have no idea if I have ever killed a component with static. |
| 23:51.37 | fungus | I did once. when I was young, and it was mostly on purpose. |
| 23:51.40 | SunSparc | lol, yeah, bikes a bit more tricky than most computer components. |
| 23:53.05 | SunSparc | Ah, another Streisand fan. Interesting. :) |
| 23:53.37 | fungus | lol, I'm still at work so I have to work hard to resist singing out loud. |
| 23:53.47 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:54.01 | SunSparc | Go for it. Give those co-workers a show. |
| 23:54.08 | fungus | Who isn't a fan? (hint: if you aren't, keep your mouth shut) |
| 23:54.20 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:54.56 | skinner | (opens mouth) |
| 23:55.03 | skinner | actually |
| 23:55.07 | skinner | I'm not sure I'm not |
| 23:55.10 | skinner | lol |
| 23:55.12 | SunSparc | I really dig her "Guilty" album. It was one of the few 8 tracks we had in our car when I was a kid. |
| 23:55.55 | fungus | heh, nice. I'm a big fan of showtunes in general. <guilty pleasure> |
| 23:56.26 | fungus | ninnypants, is Eureka any good? |
| 23:56.37 | skinner | fungus: I vote yes |
| 23:56.40 | skinner | I like the show |
| 23:56.44 | ninnypants | I like it a lot |
| 23:56.54 | ninnypants | it and Warehouse 13 |
| 23:57.06 | skinner | especially since they're crossovers |
| 23:57.37 | fungus | I've passed it over quite a few times, but never gave it a good chance. I'll have to give it a go. |
| 23:57.42 | ninnypants | yeah kinda crazy though it sounds like Eureka is over so I'll have to finish it up |
| 23:58.16 | fungus | I just caught up with the Game of Thrones yesterday. |
| 23:58.26 | SunSparc | Showtunes are fun to sing along with. I like to play them for my kids in the car when they cannot get away. :) |
| 23:58.37 | fungus | lol |
| 23:58.40 | ninnypants | fungus: it's good stuff |