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16:42.39 | mindjuju | i'm afraid we're too late - http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-unveils-new-40-million-super-computer-system-data-network-cameras-license-plate-readers-crime-reports-article-1.1132135 |
16:45.31 | Bikerdan | Sometimes, in order to see the light, you have to risk the dark |
16:46.19 | TuxToaster | I don't mind stuff like that if it's used to legitimately catch criminals |
16:48.43 | ninnypants | sounds like it tracks everyone though |
16:51.21 | TuxToaster | I dunno. I don't doubt that they've got something to track statistics, though what I read there just says it would generate alerts if a plate was detected that was wanted, etc. |
16:52.29 | TuxToaster | the NYCLU said it the thing about ending up in a database from driving around, but there's no knowing whether or not it's actually storing data on what it sees beyond standard video surveylance |
16:52.41 | mindjuju | slippery slope TuxToaster, the cameras were originally there for traffic monitoring purposes |
16:52.52 | mindjuju | at least that was the given line in Provo |
16:53.10 | mindjuju | fast forward to present day, and you've got every camera watching every corner |
16:53.27 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: well, in Provo/Orem at least, it looks like you've got two different sets of cameras |
16:53.39 | mindjuju | it really boils down to privacy |
16:53.56 | beandog | mindjuju: which is why I wear a speedo everywhere, so nobody wants to know what I'm doing |
16:53.58 | mindjuju | and the freedom to move from place to place without checkpoints, etc |
16:54.03 | TuxToaster | you've got the standard ones atop intersections for traffic monitoring, then you've got the little round ones on the corner of intersections that are run by the city |
16:54.09 | mindjuju | beandog, it's funny you say that |
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16:54.34 | mindjuju | a man was acquitted the other day of public indecency charges when he stripped butt naked at a TSA checkpoint |
16:54.44 | mindjuju | the reason, it was his form of freedom of speech |
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16:55.06 | TuxToaster | my thought is it's not like they are actively monitoring to see where I personally am going, so it's not invading my privacy as much as watching out for problems |
16:55.09 | mindjuju | so as long as you stripped down with that exact purpose, then you are protected |
16:56.10 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, how do you feel about this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy |
16:56.12 | TuxToaster | I'd have much more of an issue with some kind of RFID network that could uniquely track my movements from my house to the store to work etc |
16:56.34 | mindjuju | TuxToaster, with face recognition, etc tey don't need rfid |
16:56.49 | TuxToaster | yeah, see that kind of stuff, monitoring Internet activity, etc. is an issue. |
16:56.55 | mindjuju | DARPA has been working on scent tracking, facial recognition already at ports, etc |
16:57.06 | mahelious | mindjuju:i would encourage more protesting nudity, except the people willing to get naked at an airport are never the people I want to see naked |
16:57.24 | mindjuju | i hate to sound like a nutto, but man, this stuff scares me |
16:57.39 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: possibly, but the cameras around here at least are not nearly capable of doing that kind of stuff |
16:57.47 | mindjuju | it's only a matter of time before these systems are all connected and ... |
16:57.58 | mindjuju | and on the other hand, why microsoft? |
16:58.09 | mindjuju | last thing i want is their security watching over national security |
16:58.17 | mindjuju | or city security in this case |
16:58.17 | mahelious | mindjuju: its just big brother watching/smelling you. are you afraid of your big brother? |
16:58.32 | TuxToaster | and honestly? I don't mind facial recognition at airports and borders. |
16:58.35 | mindjuju | it's just none of his business |
16:59.12 | TuxToaster | if I'm leaving the country, the government already knows because they've done clearance on me prior to the flight anyways. |
16:59.39 | mahelious | another meeting? this does not bode well... |
17:00.19 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: its just big brother watching/smelling you. are you afraid of your big brother? <---- am I the only one who pictured Bear in the Big Blue House with this? |
17:00.26 | TuxToaster | walking around smelling people? |
17:00.51 | mindjuju | so TuxToaster, quick question, have you ever lived in a country with checkpoints? |
17:01.20 | mindjuju | armed military on street corners? |
17:01.42 | TuxToaster | nope |
17:01.44 | mindjuju | for me, 1 year in China, armed miliitary in Tibet was there |
17:01.54 | beandog | how ironic |
17:01.59 | Bikerdan | mindjuju: I'm with you on this. |
17:02.04 | mindjuju | you don't want that stuff here, honest |
17:02.16 | TuxToaster | agreed |
17:02.21 | Bikerdan | It reeks of tyranny |
17:03.04 | mindjuju | in 1999 when US accidentally dropped bomb on Chinese embassay in Yugoslavia and first thing China did ws block out all news agencies so we could only get news that China gov approved |
17:03.07 | mindjuju | it was crazy |
17:03.38 | Bikerdan | They probably weren't using microsoft. |
17:03.41 | TuxToaster | I was just saying I don't mind *some* of the surveylance tech, particularly at airports and the like. There's a bit of a threshold between that and tracking your every move around every city in the country though, which I'm *not* okay with. |
17:03.58 | mindjuju | sadly Bikerdan, i hear cisco has a ton to do with Great Firewall of China |
17:04.28 | beandog | airport security is all about the weakest point... sure it's decent going FROM the USA, but from any airport worldwide that's coming INTO the USA, if the security sucks there, it doesn't matter |
17:04.36 | Bikerdan | I wonder how much money they bring in on those kind of deals. |
17:05.08 | mindjuju | i'm not sure Bikerdan and it's really just hearsay, so i prolly shouldn't ahve said it without more facts |
17:05.15 | mindjuju | i'll research it out and keep you posted on it |
17:05.21 | Bikerdan | cool |
17:05.51 | Bikerdan | beandog: So we're keeping all the bad guys from leaving and letting more bad guys in... |
17:06.41 | fungus | beandog, I think you are wrong. My niece just got back from Europe a few months ago. She said the last leg getting into the USA was the worst. |
17:06.51 | mindjuju | i hate to bring up a topic and then split on you guys, i really do have some big stuff rolling out today, but i was just so shocked about the article and every time i hear about the monitization of the police department scares me |
17:06.53 | Bikerdan | That's good to hear. |
17:07.13 | Bikerdan | Thx for the heads up mindjuju. |
17:07.18 | mindjuju | fo sho |
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18:12.11 | mindjuju | for supernovia 70 minutes of car crashes but in Russian! W00t! practice the ole russian skills! though i can't imagine all the words in the vids are good ones - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3XBE-rK0Xk |
18:12.18 | mindjuju | the things you find during a fast lunch |
18:20.41 | TuxToaster | lol |
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19:12.02 | carmony | how is everyone today? |
19:12.09 | herlo | happy |
19:12.13 | herlo | carmony: how are you? |
19:12.14 | carmony | good :) |
19:12.18 | carmony | doin' good |
19:12.24 | herlo | awesome. How's the job treating you? |
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19:13.37 | carmony | I'm really liking it |
19:13.45 | carmony | I have lots of awesome co-workers |
19:18.25 | macnewbold | carmony!!! |
19:18.30 | carmony | :O |
19:18.35 | carmony | macnewbold!!! |
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20:01.13 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
20:01.13 | raifbot | whips out a hot glue gun and makes sure that kendsnyder is stuck to the floor. |
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20:03.30 | ninnypants | $rlart |
20:03.30 | raifbot | does a little 'renice 20 -u josephscott'. |
20:03.42 | josephscott | $lart ninnypants |
20:03.42 | raifbot | drops a truckload of VAXen on ninnypants. |
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20:04.55 | TuxToaster | $lart #uphpu |
20:04.55 | raifbot | puts #uphpu into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of #uphpu's hair off. |
20:05.02 | TuxToaster | meh. |
20:05.35 | ninnypants | supernovia: WCSLC logo looks awesome |
20:05.46 | supernovia | hey, glad you like it :) |
20:05.59 | TuxToaster | she's alive! |
20:06.21 | supernovia | I just finished the work for the semester like, this morning |
20:06.27 | supernovia | ~revive TuxToaster |
20:06.28 | ibot | ACTION performs the Heimlich, mouth-to-mouth, shock treatment and anything else necessary to revive TuxToaster |
20:06.28 | TuxToaster | nice |
20:07.01 | tierra | new site design is pretty hard to scan though |
20:07.33 | ninnypants | yeah not much contrast |
20:08.27 | supernovia | we gotta up the brightness and opacity on the page is all |
20:08.35 | supernovia | chris was going off a screenshot for that |
20:08.42 | TuxToaster | yup, I like the design, just a bit dark |
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20:12.23 | supernovia | as soon as I find my brain I'll work with him to tweak it up with somewhat less contrast between links and more contrast between foreground and background |
20:16.43 | tierra | maybe make headers a little more clear too |
20:17.22 | tierra | that's really what I mean by problems scanning... it's hard to quickly identify the next post / section |
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20:35.40 | saturdayplace | Anyone here ever set up IIS to proxy requests to an Apache server? |
20:35.47 | saturdayplace | I can't seem to figure out what I'm missing. |
20:36.11 | tierra | heh, I usually hear about setting it up the *other* way |
20:36.18 | tierra | I have no idea |
20:38.25 | saturdayplace | As far as I can tell I've got it set up correctly, except that it doesn't work. |
20:45.31 | mgeary | wow |
20:45.40 | mgeary | that sounds like a recipe for pain |
20:45.54 | mgeary | ~console saturdayplace |
20:45.54 | ibot | ACTION gives saturdayplace the consolation moose |
20:46.05 | mgeary | ~pity saturdayplace |
20:46.05 | ibot | I pity da fool saturdayplace! |
20:46.25 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
20:46.25 | raifbot | smacks beandog up side the head with a clue-by-4. |
20:48.23 | saturdayplace | Nice moose. |
20:48.52 | josephscott | http://2012.slc.wordcamp.org/ updated the style again |
20:59.27 | macnewbold | saturdayplace: if nothing else, if your IIS box runs PHP, you could use PHP to make a request to the other server and send the output |
20:59.36 | macnewbold | but that's not the most graceful way |
20:59.39 | macnewbold | i hope |
21:01.06 | ninnypants | has anyone run into issues with ie8 always setting wheeldelta to 0 |
21:04.30 | tierra | macnewbold: I'm ashamed that you would even suggest that! |
21:04.30 | tierra | heh |
21:04.53 | macnewbold | ninnypants: four possible solutions: firefox, chrome, safari, opera |
21:05.16 | macnewbold | tierra: IIS is probably as bad now as it was last time i tried it, so that may be the best way... |
21:05.33 | ninnypants | macnewbold: or even an ie version greater than 8 |
21:12.09 | tierra | IIS isn't terrible as far as features, it is terrible for figuring out how to configure stuff... unusable docs on the web.config files, and the server manager is so ridiculously packed with crap and highly unorganized, it's impossible to find your way around the GUI |
21:12.35 | tierra | I'm sure it has everything he needs for this without loading up PHP with every proxied request |
21:13.34 | fungus | saturdayplace, are you sure you have to have IIS be your front-end. Can you move Apache to the front, and proxy IIS stuff back to the IIS server? |
21:14.32 | tierra | looks like "Application Request Routing" might be a good bet |
21:14.34 | saturdayplace | fungus: I'd love to, but alas... |
21:14.49 | fungus | bummer |
21:37.18 | influx | regex q: How would I go about making a two-word match that could be in either of two possible orders? |
21:37.37 | influx | Say I want to match on either "foo bar" or "bar foo" |
21:38.01 | influx | (foo bar|bar foo) will work |
21:38.12 | influx | but is there a shorter way? |
21:41.11 | macnewbold | influx: depending how strict you want to be, you could check for both words, i.e. string contains "foo" and string contains "bar" |
21:41.53 | macnewbold | but if you're always looking for exactly those two strings, I'd probably use $str == "foo bar" || $str == "bar foo", |
21:42.07 | macnewbold | or maybe in_array($str, $valid_strings) |
21:42.20 | macnewbold | where $valid_strings = array("foo bar", "bar foo"); |
21:42.52 | influx | Thanks mac. :) |
21:54.59 | SunSparc | ~spacetime |
21:55.34 | SunSparc | ibot: Do you not know what the current space time is? |
21:55.34 | ibot | yes, I not know what the current space time is. |
21:55.45 | SunSparc | Ok |
21:57.42 | jnbek | lol |
21:58.29 | SunSparc | Ok |
21:58.48 | SunSparc | When am I going to get to walk on Mars? |
22:04.06 | influx | Switch a future kid of his with yourself at the hospital's nursery. |
22:04.22 | influx | Bam. Free trips to Mars for life. |
22:04.38 | influx | Totally not srs. |
22:05.10 | SunSparc | influx: Hmmm... the idea has merit... |
22:05.48 | SunSparc | I better start packing. |
22:37.50 | ninnypants | SunSparc: did you see this http://www.panoramas.dk/mars/greeley-haven.html |
22:43.36 | SunSparc | ninnypants: Yessir! Splentacular. |
22:43.43 | SunSparc | ~splentacular |
22:44.15 | SunSparc | I just wish it was zoom further. |
22:44.20 | SunSparc | And faster. |
22:44.28 | SunSparc | And I was actually on the robot. |
22:44.44 | SunSparc | And it was actually a hover craft and I was cruising the surface. |
22:45.05 | SunSparc | Sipping some Mt Dew. |
22:50.04 | ninnypants | would you be drinking it in the name of science? |
23:05.59 | macnewbold | the cake is not a lie |
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23:11.05 | josephscott | $lart 'the cake' |
23:11.05 | raifbot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps 'the cake'. |
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