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07:07.33 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
07:12.27 | herlo | mindjuju: yes? |
07:13.04 | mindjuju | hi herlo, i've read the man on rm and it doesn't offer provisions for deleting on a wildcard |
07:13.09 | mindjuju | how does one approach this? |
07:13.42 | herlo | mindjuju: read globbing in bash |
07:14.06 | herlo | this should be helpful |
07:14.07 | herlo | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/bash-extended-globbing |
07:16.02 | herlo | mindjuju: globbing doesn't just apply to ls or rm. It's a standard way of identifying files across any command for files. cp, mv, and many others too. |
07:16.24 | mindjuju | yeha, was having probs with mv first |
07:16.33 | mindjuju | then thought i would just jump to the chase with rm |
07:20.22 | herlo | understanding globbing is the first thing you need to do before you really can do any of the operations above with any sort of power. |
07:22.43 | herlo | okay, so tell me what this command does after reading the article |
07:22.47 | herlo | rm *png |
07:23.29 | mindjuju | expands the pathname |
07:24.47 | herlo | no, tell me what it does |
07:25.13 | herlo | I'm not asking you to tell me what the globbing does, I'm asking you to tell me what would happen if you ran that command |
07:30.17 | mindjuju | sorry about delay herlo, had boss on other line |
07:30.38 | herlo | nw |
07:30.51 | mindjuju | so rm *png will remove all png files |
07:31.08 | mindjuju | well, anything with png i think |
07:31.13 | mindjuju | so png..jpg ? |
07:31.18 | herlo | close |
07:31.55 | herlo | if you examine it closely, it will remove all files that start with anything and end in exactly 'png'. This includes files named 'png' |
07:32.16 | herlo | but png..jpg would not work because it doesn't end in 'png' |
07:32.26 | herlo | mindjuju: does that make sense? |
07:32.36 | mindjuju | yeah |
07:32.43 | herlo | k, so next question |
07:32.47 | herlo | what if I typed this |
07:33.03 | herlo | mv /home/clints/*c?jpg /tmp/ |
07:33.07 | herlo | what does this command do? |
07:33.40 | herlo | mindjuju: ^^ |
07:34.05 | mindjuju | that would move any files in /home/clints/ where the file ends with cX.jpg where X is any 1 charcter? |
07:34.21 | herlo | yup |
07:34.30 | herlo | exactly, where would it move them? |
07:34.40 | mindjuju | oh to /tmp |
07:34.44 | herlo | :) |
07:34.52 | herlo | okay, so last question |
07:34.58 | herlo | what if I ran this command? |
07:36.05 | herlo | ls [0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9]-[0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9] |
07:36.46 | mindjuju | list any file that is ######### where # is a digit |
07:36.50 | herlo | nope |
07:36.56 | herlo | look closer |
07:37.09 | mindjuju | oh there is a hyphen in there |
07:37.17 | herlo | more than one, in fact? |
07:38.25 | mindjuju | oh yeah, there are 2 |
07:38.35 | mindjuju | so i wonder why my comamnd didn't work |
07:39.06 | herlo | mindjuju: okay, but what does that pattern look like to you? |
07:39.22 | mindjuju | looks kind of like a ssn |
07:39.44 | herlo | or a phone number? |
07:39.56 | herlo | 801-333-4567 perhaps |
07:40.09 | herlo | that might be one of the files that would be listed, no? |
07:40.36 | herlo | so let's do this the other way now |
07:41.35 | herlo | how would you recursively copy files that start with x and end in tar.gz to your home directory. Try to use as many shortcuts and globbing characters as possible. Don't go overboard though. |
07:41.35 | mindjuju | so, there is this |
07:41.48 | mindjuju | mv *conflicted* /backup/tempPH/ /tmp/ |
07:41.59 | herlo | mindjuju: bear with me for a minute |
07:42.03 | herlo | this will help you |
07:45.17 | herlo | mindjuju: ?? |
07:45.27 | mindjuju | ssry im here |
07:46.01 | mindjuju | but i see you're trying to teach a larger lesson |
07:46.05 | mindjuju | so i'll stop ;) |
07:46.13 | herlo | mindjuju: let's wait a second here. :) I will address that shortly. |
07:46.34 | herlo | so let me ask again |
07:46.38 | herlo | how would you recursively copy files that start with x and end in tar.gz to your home directory. Try to use as many shortcuts and globbing characters as possible. Don't go overboard though. |
07:47.59 | mindjuju | cp -R x*.tar.gz /home/v |
07:48.03 | mindjuju | oh wait |
07:48.15 | mindjuju | 01cp -R ./x*.tar.gz /home/v01 |
07:48.17 | mindjuju | ? |
07:48.20 | herlo | yes? |
07:49.12 | mindjuju | well i think you could do this too |
07:49.23 | mindjuju | 01cp -R x*.tar.gz ~/v01 |
07:49.47 | herlo | oh, I could not see the output there |
07:50.00 | herlo | sorry, hang on. I'll read it again... looks almost black here |
07:50.23 | herlo | I would have done something similar, here's mine |
07:50.34 | herlo | cp -r x*.tar.gz ~ |
07:50.49 | herlo | ~ is the shortcut for my homedir |
07:51.09 | herlo | mindjuju: okay, so let's start to address your question about mv. It's clear you get globbing |
07:51.23 | herlo | I wnat to use cp first though |
07:51.43 | herlo | mindjuju: from the man page, I see this |
07:51.45 | herlo | cp [OPTION]... SOURCE... DIRECTORY |
07:53.21 | mindjuju | hey, quick side question are . and ./ the same thing? |
07:53.26 | herlo | what this says is, run copy, specify options, multiple if desired (like -r -v -A, etc), then specify the sources, again multiple if desired, and finally the destination directory where the copied files/directories will end up |
07:53.39 | herlo | . and ./ are not necessarily the same thing |
07:54.57 | herlo | mindjuju: understanding the cryptic nature of usage statements is very important. |
07:55.18 | mindjuju | i prolly need to reread book on bash |
07:55.35 | herlo | possibly, but this stuff isn't necessarily related to bash |
07:55.43 | herlo | every shell does these things similarly |
07:56.12 | herlo | mindjuju: so to give context to my statement above, what does the ... mean? |
07:57.22 | mindjuju | back 2 directories |
07:57.24 | mindjuju | ? |
07:57.36 | herlo | no |
07:58.00 | herlo | in usage examples, it means 'one or more' |
07:58.31 | herlo | so if you typed cp x.png y.jpg ~clints/Pictures/, what would that do? |
07:59.29 | mindjuju | copy x.png and the y.jpg files to /home/clint/clints/Pictures ?/ |
08:00.03 | herlo | yup |
08:00.35 | herlo | pretty close anyway. i think you didn't mean to put 'clint' in their, but it makes sense |
08:00.44 | herlo | everything else is correct |
08:01.01 | herlo | mindjuju: so let's compart that to your mv command from above. |
08:01.31 | mindjuju | k |
08:02.02 | herlo | so what does this say then? |
08:02.03 | herlo | mv *conflicted* /backup/tempPH/ /tmp/ |
08:02.53 | mindjuju | i wanted it to say that it shold move any file that has the letters conflicted found contiguoulsy anywhere in the filename |
08:03.04 | herlo | k, what else? |
08:03.12 | mindjuju | from tempPH to tmp |
08:03.27 | herlo | where does *conflicted* get moved? |
08:03.58 | mindjuju | to /tmp folder |
08:04.27 | herlo | so what about this |
08:04.34 | herlo | mv *conflicted* /backup/tempPH/* /tmp/ |
08:04.38 | herlo | what is different? |
08:05.12 | mindjuju | oh |
08:05.38 | mindjuju | maybe i was saying check the folder name /backup/tempPH |
08:05.45 | mindjuju | for *conflicted ? |
08:05.51 | herlo | no, you were originally on the right track |
08:06.16 | herlo | so let me explain the difference betwene the two. You are very close. In this case semantics are *extremely* important. |
08:06.30 | herlo | mv *conflicteD* /backup/tempPH/ /tmp |
08:06.54 | herlo | this says, move both *conflicteD* and the directory tempPH inside /backtup to /tmp |
08:07.15 | herlo | what you get then is /tmp/*conflicted* and /tmp/tempPH/* inside this directory |
08:07.27 | herlo | mv *conflicteD* /backup/tempPH/* /tmp |
08:07.47 | herlo | this says move both *conflicteD* and everything inside /backup/tempPH/ to /tmp |
08:08.11 | herlo | so it would look like /tmp/*conflicted* and /tmp/<whatevercontentwasinsidethetempPHdir> |
08:08.19 | herlo | mindjuju: does this help clarify? |
08:08.29 | mindjuju | yes it does |
08:08.45 | herlo | so what if did this? |
08:09.04 | herlo | mv /var/lib/* /var/log/* /var/lock/* /tmp |
08:09.23 | herlo | and compare it with |
08:09.31 | herlo | mv /var/lib/ /var/log/ /var/lock/ /tmp |
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08:10.14 | mindjuju | from what you said today earlier, i think the first would copy just the files in the dir to /tmp where the second woud copy the folders? |
08:11.08 | herlo | mindjuju: first would copy just the files in *each* dir, but yes. You are correct on the second. |
08:11.27 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
08:11.29 | herlo | be very careful to understand the difference. |
08:11.50 | herlo | you can specify multiple sources, but only *one* destination. |
08:12.03 | herlo | mindjuju: last question, then I need to go to bed. I hope this has been helpful. |
08:12.06 | herlo | what does this do? |
08:12.32 | herlo | mv /tmp/bob /tmp/jane -- assuming that /tmp/jane doesn't exist |
08:14.21 | mindjuju | i think it would mv bob to /tmp/jane as /tmp/jane/bob? |
08:14.41 | herlo | /tmp/jane does not exist, so it couldn't move it to a directory that doesn't exist |
08:15.02 | mindjuju | oh i thought it would ceate it |
08:15.05 | herlo | nope |
08:15.11 | herlo | this is a rename |
08:15.26 | herlo | moves the file /tmp/bob to the file name /tmp/jane |
08:16.11 | herlo | if /tmp/bob were a directory, the same thing would occur above, except /tmp/jane would just a be a directory. |
08:16.43 | mindjuju | i think i need to spend some quality time with bash |
08:17.44 | mindjuju | thx herlo |
08:18.01 | herlo | I think you need to really just think about how mv and cp work. You can consider looking at ls and rm too. This is where I'd start. |
08:18.17 | herlo | mindjuju: oh, one other thing. You asked about . vs ./ |
08:18.19 | mindjuju | k |
08:18.35 | herlo | so quickly . is 'current dir' |
08:18.39 | herlo | .. is 'parent dir' |
08:18.46 | herlo | not different from DOS, right? |
08:19.51 | herlo | mindjuju: ^^ |
08:21.24 | herlo | one of the distinctions between . and ./ is that when you use ./ you are likely going to be referring to something within the current directory. I think you may want to look up absolute vs relative pathing too for this |
08:22.08 | herlo | mindjuju: the main point about bash is whatever you type, it wants to execute it |
08:22.24 | herlo | if you type ./runme.sh - bash will try to find a file called runme.sh and execute it |
08:22.35 | herlo | this is the most common use of ./ |
08:23.33 | herlo | nn mindjuju |
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15:15.10 | Monnok | $rlart |
15:15.10 | raifbot | wielding the mighty hammer of Thor, Mjölnir, I summon lighting to destroy ibot. |
15:15.56 | macnewbold | that seemed to have some motivation behind it... |
15:17.00 | mahelious | even raifbot is excited about the film. |
15:17.05 | mahelious | (it rocks!!!) |
15:17.28 | Monnok | you saw it already? |
15:23.08 | mahelious | yep |
15:23.16 | macnewbold | ~utosc++ |
15:23.18 | mahelious | going to see it again this afternoon |
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15:30.15 | utahcon | $rlart |
15:30.16 | raifbot | blasts kendsnyder with a huge firehose then strangles kendsnyder with it. |
15:30.27 | utahcon | $chuckfact |
15:30.31 | utahcon | $chuck |
15:30.34 | utahcon | $chuck-fact |
15:30.34 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can strangle you with a cordless phone. |
15:31.11 | utahcon | lol |
15:32.39 | macnewbold | ~strangle Monnok |
15:32.39 | ibot | ACTION strangles Monnok with a mouse cord. |
15:33.11 | Monnok | ~win |
15:33.12 | ibot | somebody said win was <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
15:33.44 | utahcon | lol |
15:41.12 | mgeary | ~win |
15:41.12 | ibot | well, win is <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
15:41.23 | mgeary | that should be random |
15:41.25 | mgeary | $win |
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15:50.51 | cro | ~win |
15:50.52 | ibot | from memory, win is <NightHawkTheSane> my phone autocorrects "pfft" to "orgy" |
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15:59.39 | mgeary | we've officially now broken the record for the number of times "orgy" was mentioned in a single day on uphpu |
15:59.54 | mgeary | whew, itimber, you sure missed something |
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16:01.04 | itimber | woah |
16:01.07 | itimber | I guess I did |
16:01.20 | herlo | heh |
16:02.05 | itimber | hehe |
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17:07.13 | mahelious | decisions, decisions. i brought left over papa murphys for lunch today, but just found out the company is pulling in Brick Oven for everybody. and now just got an email from the company softball coach, he got mountain mikes for everybody today because we won our game last night. |
17:07.23 | mgeary | that's a no brainer |
17:07.28 | mgeary | Brick Oven trumps all others, imo |
17:08.10 | Bikerdan | Where do you work? (If you don't mind me asking) |
17:10.50 | mahelious | http://cheezburger.com/6191525120 |
17:10.55 | mahelious | ADP, in south jordan |
17:11.52 | Bikerdan | ADP is where you work? Sounds like a great company. |
17:12.34 | Bikerdan | limh |
17:12.44 | Bikerdan | That's great. Should be a t-shirt. |
17:13.23 | macnewbold | speaking of great companies… we're hiring :-D </shameless plug> |
17:13.32 | Bikerdan | :) |
17:13.42 | Bikerdan | And what makes your company so great? |
17:19.41 | macnewbold | great people, great food (free lunch every day), fun challenging projects |
17:19.48 | macnewbold | the pay isn't bad either |
17:19.56 | macnewbold | solid growth |
17:27.01 | Bikerdan | And what company would this be? |
17:30.39 | Bikerdan | You can PM if you want. |
17:30.54 | mgeary | he's at Vivint |
17:31.07 | macnewbold | yes, i am |
17:31.18 | Bikerdan | Interesting. |
17:31.42 | Bikerdan | I actually have an interview set up for Tuesday... :) |
17:31.52 | Bikerdan | lol |
17:31.59 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: good! it will be nice to meet you |
17:32.06 | Bikerdan | Yeah! |
17:33.30 | Bikerdan | @macnewbold: PM? |
17:33.40 | Monnok | macnewbold will be the short guy in glasses and a smile that is obviously smarter than your average person |
17:33.49 | Bikerdan | :) |
17:34.41 | mahelious | huh. php.net looks to be down. |
17:34.56 | mahelious | well, i wasnt getting much work done anyhow. |
17:37.09 | mgeary | Monnok: and a smidgen of strawberry-covered waffles smeared on his shirt collar |
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17:37.50 | Monnok | yum, that sounds like something i shoulda made this morning |
17:38.11 | Monnok | the waffles, not the macnewbold |
17:39.58 | Monnok | i wonder what the chances are of getting a babysitter for my youngest so we can go see Avengers tonight.. |
17:40.42 | Monnok | $8ball Will I be able to see the Avengers tonight? |
17:40.42 | raifbot | Monnok - Outlook not so good. |
17:40.54 | Monnok | ++raifbot |
17:41.29 | Monnok | for the answer secretly slamming an M$ product |
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17:57.11 | PoeticIntensity | Hey-O, It's Friday! |
17:57.13 | PoeticIntensity | ~friday |
17:57.44 | PoeticIntensity | $friday |
17:57.51 | PoeticIntensity | :( |
17:58.21 | PoeticIntensity | Any mod rewrite gurus out there? |
17:58.37 | mgeary | not a guru, but i've made enough mistakes to learn a couple of things |
17:58.40 | mgeary | fungus is a guru |
17:59.17 | Monnok | yeah but fungus is a guru on everything |
17:59.39 | mgeary | not true. He can't cook a steak worth beans |
18:00.15 | Monnok | Wat? *heartbroken* |
18:00.27 | mgeary | and his taste in music runs squarely on the Gaga-side of the line ;) |
18:00.33 | mgeary | ~rib fungus |
18:00.33 | ibot | ACTION sharpens her elbows and jabs them playfully into fungus's ribs, "i'm just sayin'!" |
18:01.07 | PoeticIntensity | okay.... |
18:01.18 | PoeticIntensity | so, the short of it is.... |
18:01.32 | PoeticIntensity | I have two sites that I need to mangle... :) |
18:01.44 | PoeticIntensity | there's blendtec.com |
18:02.03 | PoeticIntensity | and there's.... let's say... "commercial" (which actually is a whole other site) |
18:02.28 | PoeticIntensity | I need to make "commercial" appear like it's a subdirectory of blendtec.com - aka "blendtec.com/commercial" |
18:02.35 | PoeticIntensity | I have no access to apache's configs.... |
18:03.00 | PoeticIntensity | so... I'm assuming the best way to go about doing this is through mod_rewrite.... but I'm not sure, and this is an area I've never dabbled in before.. |
18:03.01 | mgeary | sounds like you're actually going to be proxying |
18:03.02 | Bikerdan | On either site? |
18:03.11 | mgeary | they're on separate physical machines? |
18:03.18 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
18:03.23 | PoeticIntensity | well... actually... |
18:03.24 | PoeticIntensity | no. |
18:03.26 | mgeary | i believe you're going to need to proxy |
18:03.27 | PoeticIntensity | no they're not. |
18:03.31 | PoeticIntensity | (sorry)... |
18:03.47 | PoeticIntensity | they're going to be on the same machine, and I will know the paths to each site. |
18:04.00 | mgeary | but the content isn't static, right? |
18:04.05 | PoeticIntensity | oh no, very dynamic. |
18:04.08 | mgeary | still needs to be run through, e.g. php |
18:04.15 | PoeticIntensity | both are php. |
18:04.18 | PoeticIntensity | both are cakephp.. |
18:04.22 | mgeary | yeah. i'll wait to see what fungus says, but i believe you're going to have to proxy |
18:04.29 | PoeticIntensity | both are already built (or we wouldn't be in this quandry) |
18:05.03 | mgeary | macnewbold or jsmith might have an opinion...? |
18:05.06 | Bikerdan | Are you able to put the code for each site where you want? |
18:05.13 | PoeticIntensity | yup... complete control over code. |
18:05.18 | PoeticIntensity | no control over apache. |
18:05.45 | Bikerdan | So can't you put commercial code in subdirectory of blendtec.com, then create a .htaccess file? |
18:05.59 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't actually tried just putting the commercial site as an actual subdirectory of blendtec.com, but I imagine that'd explode in all sorts of colorful ways... |
18:06.00 | Bikerdan | Are .htaccess files allowed? |
18:06.03 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
18:06.08 | mgeary | oh, well if you can do that... |
18:06.09 | PoeticIntensity | .htaccess is accessible. |
18:06.17 | PoeticIntensity | HA! he quit! |
18:06.20 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
18:06.28 | PoeticIntensity | (I just LOL'ed, in case anyone missed it) |
18:06.36 | mgeary | it was my mocking his music that pushed him over the edge |
18:06.57 | PoeticIntensity | oh, man.... music has been my lot in life the past few months... |
18:07.03 | PoeticIntensity | studio work is going crazy... |
18:07.08 | PoeticIntensity | *shakes head*... |
18:07.24 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
18:08.12 | PoeticIntensity | any notions on whether it would be a bad idea to put an entire cakephp instance as a sub-directory to an existing cakephp instance? |
18:08.22 | mgeary | it ought to be fine |
18:08.33 | PoeticIntensity | I imagine that cake's rewrite would explode... |
18:08.34 | Bikerdan | Wordpress can operate just fine that way. |
18:08.36 | PoeticIntensity | but... hey... |
18:08.40 | PoeticIntensity | hrm... |
18:08.43 | PoeticIntensity | maybe I should just try it. |
18:12.19 | PoeticIntensity | so how you doin', anyway, mgeary ? |
18:12.57 | PoeticIntensity | ls |
18:13.05 | PoeticIntensity | (whoops.. wrong window) |
18:14.54 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: not bad. I've been under the weather for a while, but am finally feeling like a human again |
18:15.02 | mgeary | rather than a sea cucumber |
18:16.37 | PoeticIntensity | oh, man... that sucs. |
18:16.38 | PoeticIntensity | sucks. |
18:16.46 | PoeticIntensity | I feel like a walking tank of caffeine... |
18:17.13 | PoeticIntensity | 4 kids, wife pregnant.... working until midnight in the studio... |
18:17.21 | PoeticIntensity | all equals pretty much no sleep... ever. |
18:17.28 | mgeary | heh |
18:17.34 | mgeary | sleep is overrated |
18:17.37 | PoeticIntensity | amen. |
18:17.44 | PoeticIntensity | if it wasn't, I'd be dead. |
18:18.00 | PoeticIntensity | but .... I think I could get used to feeling like a sea cucumber. |
18:18.05 | PoeticIntensity | :D |
18:18.23 | PoeticIntensity | oh.... |
18:18.39 | PoeticIntensity | my wife saw it last night (which made the whole "sleep" thing last night even more of an impossibility)... |
18:18.42 | PoeticIntensity | she said it was amazing. |
18:18.46 | mgeary | got a couple of 12yo boys who would cut off their arms to see it |
18:18.55 | PoeticIntensity | I bet! |
18:21.05 | PoeticIntensity | (thank you, Bikerdan and mgeary ... the site within a site seems to be working just fine) |
18:24.58 | PoeticIntensity | how 'bout you, Bikerdan ..? How's life treatin' ya? |
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18:42.20 | mgeary | i needs me one of those Marie Calendar's Chicken Pot Pies right about now... |
18:54.42 | PoeticIntensity | nom nom..... nommie.... |
19:25.18 | PoeticIntensity | okay.... I might need some more mod_rewrite assistance... :| |
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19:39.33 | ibot | carmony threatens to blog negative things about DexterTheDragon unless DexterTheDragon apologizes. |
19:40.12 | carmony_webchat | ~macnewbold clintberry |
19:40.12 | ibot | ACTION wallops clintberry with a flip-flop |
19:40.50 | clintberry | Ha, does mac wear flip-flops? |
19:40.56 | clintberry | if so, macnewbold++ |
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19:49.06 | macnewbold | Bikerdan: PM is fine any time |
19:51.05 | fungus | PoeticIntensity: Does the URL need to stay, or can u use a redirect? |
19:51.57 | fungus | Rewrite can do either, but cross site with non redirect might not work |
19:52.57 | PoeticIntensity | fungus, google was able to help me.... All is well. |
19:53.07 | PoeticIntensity | thanks for taking a look, though. |
19:53.24 | fungus | Nice |
19:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... (and BTW, redirect wasn't allowable) |
19:56.42 | macnewbold | doh, just missed clintberry |
19:56.47 | fungus | Yeah didn't think it would |
20:00.40 | Monnok | ~friday |
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20:17.57 | Monnok | $chuck-fact |
20:17.57 | raifbot | Chuck Norris once went skydiving. He promised never to do it again. He said one Grand Canyon is enough. |
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22:04.53 | clintberry | carmony somehow packed 100 people into a room for 35 |
22:04.55 | clintberry | getting hot in here |
22:05.49 | fungus | lol, you going to start singing and taking off your clothes? |
22:09.21 | clintberry | ha ha... nobody wants that. Not even my wife ;-) |
22:12.37 | clintberry | fungus: What session are you in right now? |
22:13.38 | fungus | python profiling |
22:13.57 | clintberry | nice |
22:14.04 | fungus | not as many peeps, but cool stuff |
22:14.31 | clintberry | I think I will go to the python beginner class tomorrow. The profiling would be over my head since I am such a newb |
22:15.02 | fungus | hehe, i grew up from php, quite a while ago. :) |
22:16.45 | mgeary | most of us here could probably say the same |
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