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| 14:51.47 | mindjuju__ | i can't believe in the time it took to run grab some toner, beandog showed up and left |
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| 15:14.09 | _clint_ | carmony: I went to your presentation on optimizing/profiling your php apps, and it was awesome. I like JetProfiler, but it is pricey. Is there something less cool and cheaper that you would recommend? |
| 15:14.48 | carmony | _clint_: they have their trial version |
| 15:14.49 | carmony | that is okay |
| 15:14.59 | carmony | I'm tempted to write one |
| 15:15.23 | _clint_ | Can I get enough info from the trial version? Put it on git-hub and I'll contribute :-) |
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| 16:17.55 | mindjuju__ | sup beandog |
| 16:18.05 | beandog | mindjuju__: Im going to check out a Methodist church today |
| 16:18.07 | beandog | I'm so stoked |
| 16:18.14 | macnewbold | nice |
| 16:18.19 | beandog | :) |
| 16:18.22 | mindjuju__ | cool! |
| 16:18.22 | macnewbold | particular purpose in mind? |
| 16:18.28 | beandog | youth ministry |
| 16:18.53 | beandog | basically, more working with teenagers, but in a spiritual capacity as well |
| 16:20.18 | mindjuju__ | career path change or a step to it? |
| 16:20.42 | beandog | mindjuju__: step to it |
| 16:20.46 | beandog | it'll take me years to get my LCSW |
| 16:20.47 | mindjuju__ | gotcha |
| 16:20.56 | beandog | so, I'd like to get some experience in in the meantime |
| 16:21.07 | mindjuju__ | beandog - i've been wanting to show you this for a LONG time |
| 16:21.07 | mindjuju__ | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-muy-bn-y-k-van-a-comer-los-demas/ |
| 16:21.08 | mindjuju__ | days |
| 16:21.22 | mindjuju__ | and this one |
| 16:21.23 | mindjuju__ | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-%c2%a1teletransportame-scotty/ |
| 16:21.27 | beandog | LOL |
| 16:21.29 | mindjuju__ | lolcats in spanish! who knew? |
| 16:21.39 | beandog | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-gatiposa/ |
| 16:21.41 | beandog | lol |
| 16:21.46 | beandog | gatiposa |
| 16:22.02 | mindjuju__ | macnewbold is spanish speaker ^^ |
| 16:22.09 | josephscott | ~lolstats |
| 16:22.09 | ibot | total count of lol on #uphpu: 2974. Top 3: carmony -- 432 (14.5%), SunSparc -- 398 (13.4%), TuxToaster -- 367 (12.3%) |
| 16:22.16 | macnewbold | si |
| 16:22.23 | macnewbold | me gustan los lolgatos |
| 16:22.38 | mindjuju__ | carmony is spanish speaker ^^ lolcats in spanish |
| 16:23.05 | carmony | lol, spanish eh? |
| 16:23.18 | beandog | this is awesome |
| 16:23.26 | carmony | LOL, Gatiposa... |
| 16:23.27 | beandog | macnewbold: lol, lolgatos |
| 16:23.51 | macnewbold | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcat-en-espanol-mi-copa-rebosa/ |
| 16:24.09 | macnewbold | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-gato-quimico-%c2%bfun-chiste-sobre-el-monoxido-de-nitrogeno/ |
| 16:25.04 | macnewbold | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-mi-planeta-me-necesita/ |
| 16:25.20 | macnewbold | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-ahora-entiendes-los-internets/ |
| 16:25.29 | mindjuju__ | srry mgeary, i'm not finding lolcats in german |
| 16:25.42 | macnewbold | http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-se-me-volvio-a-romper-el-raton/ |
| 16:25.56 | josephscott | ~x en es lolcats |
| 16:26.00 | beandog | macnewbold: lol |
| 16:26.13 | josephscott | ~x en es funny cats |
| 16:26.25 | beandog | heh |
| 16:26.32 | beandog | mindjuju__: you just changed my life for the better |
| 16:26.33 | macnewbold | ~x es en gatos graciosos |
| 16:26.39 | macnewbold | hrm |
| 16:26.47 | macnewbold | ~x es en gatos chistosos |
| 16:27.01 | macnewbold | ~x es en lolgatos |
| 16:27.12 | macnewbold | ~ibot, muy bien |
| 16:27.27 | josephscott | ~x es en $lart macnewbold |
| 16:27.29 | raifbot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking macnewbold's head off. |
| 16:27.33 | josephscott | haha |
| 16:27.50 | macnewbold | ~roulette $roulette |
| 16:27.50 | ibot | ACTION watches $roulette pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 16:28.10 | macnewbold | ~x es en $roulette |
| 16:28.31 | macnewbold | $roulette |
| 16:28.46 | macnewbold | ~x es en $chuck-fact |
| 16:28.48 | raifbot | Chuck Norris can squeeze orange juice from a banana |
| 16:30.01 | carmony | the only thing that doesn't work well in lolcats in spanish is its not as easy to "mispell" things and spell them how they sound |
| 16:30.03 | beandog | lol |
| 16:30.10 | carmony | because in spanish, the way it is written is the way you pronouce it |
| 16:30.30 | beandog | ~rain on carmony's parade |
| 16:30.36 | carmony | lol |
| 16:37.38 | mindjuju__ | beandog - did you see this one? http://zachary-jones.com/zambombazo/miaucoles-lolcats-en-espanol-gatocarril/ |
| 16:37.58 | beandog | LOL |
| 16:37.59 | beandog | that is awesome |
| 16:39.04 | beandog | I knew my spanish speaking skills would come in handy someday |
| 16:39.08 | beandog | This is that day. |
| 16:39.14 | mindjuju__ | :) |
| 16:46.49 | TuxToaster | (just noticed someone mentioned my name earlier :P) |
| 16:46.58 | josephscott | really? I don't think I lol that often, or at least I don't mention it here :-) |
| 16:47.08 | josephscott | ~x es en $lart TuxToaster |
| 16:47.09 | TuxToaster | nah, you just have checked the stats a couple times :P |
| 16:47.10 | beandog | ~lolstats josephscott |
| 16:47.10 | raifbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down to tuxtoaster's throat until to tuxtoaster puts on 150lbs. |
| 16:47.20 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: what class do you like to play in TF2? |
| 16:47.41 | TuxToaster | mmmm..... Krispy Kreme..... *drools* |
| 16:47.57 | beandog | bleh |
| 16:48.00 | beandog | cake donuts++ |
| 16:48.53 | mindjuju__ | utah_dave - mainly pyro because i don't usually have a ton of time to play |
| 16:48.58 | mindjuju__ | want to jump in and do something fast |
| 16:49.12 | mindjuju__ | if i have tons of time, i'll do spy |
| 16:49.22 | mindjuju__ | cause then you have time to recon and coordinate with others |
| 16:49.37 | mindjuju__ | what about you? |
| 16:53.45 | Utah_Dave | I just barely finished the tutorials! :) |
| 16:54.08 | mindjuju__ | we should play together |
| 16:54.18 | Utah_Dave | heck yeah! |
| 16:55.53 | macnewbold | ~TF2 |
| 16:55.53 | ibot | tf2 is probably a game developed by Valve. It's awesome. |
| 16:57.15 | mindjuju__ | ...totally wrong about the iphone... totally |
| 16:57.23 | mindjuju__ | i can't believe this exists |
| 16:57.24 | mindjuju__ | http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=brian+blessed+alarm+clock |
| 16:57.40 | mindjuju__ | YEAH! it's coming for android! |
| 16:57.43 | mindjuju__ | i must have! |
| 16:58.24 | mindjuju__ | oops, this is the link |
| 16:58.25 | mindjuju__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P0XCsdz5Ofs |
| 17:05.17 | mgeary | mindjuju__: that's because Germans know that cats are vile creatures |
| 17:05.41 | mindjuju__ | i totally concur, we have a family dog, but still, lolcats can be funny :) |
| 17:06.16 | josephscott | are lolcats still cats? or have they elevated to a separate level of oddity? |
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| 17:25.12 | mgeary | we've got some neighbors, of whom i'm quite fond, who have (it seems) at least 3 cats. They are often in our yard and when we say, "hey, your cat was in our yard", they roll their eyes, shrug, and say, "heh. Yeah, crazy cats, eh?" |
| 17:25.24 | mgeary | makes me want to kick those dang cats |
| 17:25.40 | mgeary | it's actually illegal to let your pets roam |
| 17:25.56 | mgeary | it's also illegal (in Provo, at least) to own more than 2 cats |
| 17:26.06 | mindjuju__ | actually, i think it's hardly being a bad neighbor to tell your neighbors to not let their pets roam your yard |
| 17:26.21 | mindjuju__ | i often chased after neighbors who let their dogs poop my yard |
| 17:26.25 | mgeary | "heh. crazy cats, who can control them, eh?" |
| 17:26.31 | mindjuju__ | often approaching the situation like: |
| 17:26.45 | mindjuju__ | [handing them a small plastic bag] here I've got this for you |
| 17:27.53 | mindjuju__ | i wouldn't make a big deal of it, just correction when due |
| 17:27.53 | mgeary | yeah, that doesn't really work for cats |
| 17:28.10 | mgeary | it's not their poop that bothers me |
| 17:28.26 | mindjuju__ | well, i'm more meaning though, the act of correction is neighborly |
| 17:28.29 | mindjuju__ | or can be |
| 17:28.50 | mindjuju__ | but i wouldn't make it confrontational |
| 17:29.33 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:29.47 | mgeary | i'll just nonconfrontationally give them their cat's head in a baggie |
| 17:29.50 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:30.17 | mindjuju__ | :) |
| 17:30.55 | mindjuju__ | you know though mgeary |
| 17:31.08 | mindjuju__ | there is one way i've heard of that might be fun |
| 17:31.24 | mgeary | "Trying to handle and contain a stray cat is even more dangerous than handling a stray dog. We have humane traps available here at the shelter. We will require a $75.00 returnable deposit for the use of the trap. After the cat is trapped, call us (352-4450 during business hours) and we will respond and remove the cat or you are welcome to bring the trap and cat here to the shelter. If the cat has ID, we will notify the owner and when they redeem the cat we wi |
| 17:31.25 | mgeary | advise them of their obligation as a pet owner. If the cat is impounded again, the owner will likely receive a citation for "animal running at large" and be required to appear in court. Cats with no ID will be held for a minimum of three days, in hopes that the owner will identify and redeem their pet." |
| 17:32.03 | mindjuju__ | I remember reading once about a man in a similar situation who created a motion tracking device using a spare computer, a water sprinkler and Python |
| 17:32.33 | mindjuju__ | i'm going to see if i can find it again |
| 17:34.38 | PoeticIntensity | I love cats :) |
| 17:34.46 | mindjuju__ | ~lart pi |
| 17:34.46 | ibot | installs a bad bootloader on pi and turns pi into a brick |
| 17:34.55 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 17:35.10 | mindjuju__ | here is one that is insta-fix(tm) but who knows about python - http://www.contech-inc.com/products/scarecrow/ |
| 17:35.23 | PoeticIntensity | Just out of honest curiosity (and a bit of advocacy), what about cats being in your yard don't you like, mgeary ? |
| 17:35.41 | mindjuju__ | oh i don't know, IT'S HIS YARD |
| 17:36.05 | mindjuju__ | [his yard] |
| 17:36.07 | unum | I get to implement an other materialized view, but this time in mysql |
| 17:36.25 | PoeticIntensity | hmmm.... I don't get it. |
| 17:37.05 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: i don't like their "i'm just gonna hang out right here" attitude; i don't like that they kill anything they can; i am very allergic to them; |
| 17:37.27 | stderr- | cats and dogs, living together... MASS HYSTERIA |
| 17:37.28 | mgeary | but what i really don't like is when cat owners think it's okay to let their cats just roam |
| 17:37.38 | PoeticIntensity | heh... you'd hate me. |
| 17:37.39 | mgeary | if you want to keep a cat on your property, power to you |
| 17:37.41 | mindjuju__ | [his yard] |
| 17:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's abusive to keep cats inside. |
| 17:38.04 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: well, you're misinformed ;) |
| 17:38.04 | PoeticIntensity | makes em' weird. |
| 17:38.11 | mgeary | dude, they're CATS |
| 17:38.16 | mgeary | they're already weird |
| 17:38.26 | PoeticIntensity | what am I misinformed about? |
| 17:38.28 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:38.32 | PoeticIntensity | and yes... they're weird. |
| 17:38.50 | mgeary | check any human society website and it will tell you that cats need to be conditioned to live inside |
| 17:39.00 | unum | we always petted and played with our neigbors cat when it came over |
| 17:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... me too. |
| 17:39.10 | PoeticIntensity | cats are born hunters. |
| 17:39.13 | unum | I think he intentianally fed ours |
| 17:39.28 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: so that's a good reason to let them roam?? |
| 17:39.34 | PoeticIntensity | that's one of em'. |
| 17:39.42 | stderr- | PoeticIntensity: to the collective benefit of the surrounding area |
| 17:39.55 | stderr- | Unless mgeary prefers hantavirus and various other deadly diseases |
| 17:40.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... our home (and our immediate neighbor's homes) are the only 3 homes that don't have problems with mice. |
| 17:40.12 | mgeary | like i say, you want cats on your property, be my guest |
| 17:40.18 | mindjuju__ | i still can't believe we glossed over the fact that IT'S HIS YARD and he doesn't want them there |
| 17:40.24 | PoeticIntensity | sure... |
| 17:40.34 | mgeary | mindjuju__: that was kind of my #1 point, i guess i just didn't clarify well |
| 17:40.35 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, .... I seriously don't get that. What about birds? |
| 17:40.42 | stderr- | KILL EM |
| 17:40.42 | PoeticIntensity | or worms? |
| 17:40.46 | stderr- | KILL EM |
| 17:40.47 | PoeticIntensity | or .... insects? |
| 17:40.48 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:40.55 | PoeticIntensity | or... nature??? |
| 17:40.56 | stderr- | this is why we need force fields, gentlemen, obviously. |
| 17:41.04 | PoeticIntensity | ^5 stderr- |
| 17:41.10 | unum | I had crazy coworkers who thought cats HAD to be indoors |
| 17:41.12 | stderr- | you should need an airlock to enter your property |
| 17:41.19 | stderr- | PoeticIntensity: ^5 |
| 17:41.28 | mindjuju__ | it's one thing to have natural animals that run around, its an entire other to have your neighbor being neglectful and rude |
| 17:41.32 | unum | of course one is up to 7 the other is now up to 4 or 5 plus dogs.... |
| 17:41.41 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, sorry... I just don't see it that way. |
| 17:41.53 | mindjuju__ | sure, and so you force your way onto mgeary |
| 17:41.59 | PoeticIntensity | I don't live near him. |
| 17:42.00 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: that's because you're one of the offenders |
| 17:42.13 | PoeticIntensity | if he didn't want my cat in his yard, I'd gladly do everything I could to keep him off. |
| 17:42.16 | PoeticIntensity | my neighbors love my cat. |
| 17:42.19 | mindjuju__ | let your animals run free! yipee, buy a yard and let them do so in your yard |
| 17:42.22 | PoeticIntensity | and their miceless yards. |
| 17:42.27 | unum | the law is on mgeary's side, but since PoeticIntensity neighbors don't care it doesn't matter |
| 17:42.34 | stderr- | we have two neighbor dogs (extremely friendly) who crap in my yard all the time |
| 17:42.35 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 17:42.38 | stderr- | you know what I do? |
| 17:42.41 | stderr- | I freak out! |
| 17:42.46 | unum | stderr-: what does that have to with our conversation |
| 17:42.48 | stderr- | just kidding, I clean the poop up and pet the dogs |
| 17:42.57 | unum | mgeary: has not said anything about the cats pooping on his lawn |
| 17:42.57 | PoeticIntensity | stderr-, ^5. |
| 17:43.01 | mindjuju__ | and that's your choice on how to handle |
| 17:43.02 | PoeticIntensity | we were in the same situation... |
| 17:43.11 | PoeticIntensity | I cleaned up the poop, cause the dog was awesome and my kids loved it. |
| 17:43.16 | unum | and if a neighbors dog came into my yard I'd have an issue |
| 17:43.18 | mindjuju__ | mgeary is in his right to just ask for them not to be there |
| 17:43.25 | unum | but cats are a completely different story |
| 17:43.26 | stderr- | sure it's his right |
| 17:43.26 | PoeticIntensity | sure... I'm not saying he isn't. |
| 17:43.40 | PoeticIntensity | but calling me neglectful and rude isn't justified... |
| 17:43.46 | PoeticIntensity | when my neighborhood loves my cat. |
| 17:43.47 | mindjuju__ | sure it is |
| 17:43.48 | stderr- | I'm just saying in the scheme of life there's probably bigger things to worry about |
| 17:43.54 | PoeticIntensity | and appreciates what he does for their yard. |
| 17:44.01 | unum | if PoeticIntensity neighbor's don't care he's not rude or negletful |
| 17:44.24 | PoeticIntensity | it's perfectly fine for mgeary to not want cats on his yard. |
| 17:44.24 | mindjuju__ | stderr- , this isn't something that bothers you, that's cool, but mgeary is allergic to the cats |
| 17:44.33 | stderr- | I'm allergic to cats too. |
| 17:44.40 | PoeticIntensity | thank heavens I'm not. |
| 17:44.40 | stderr- | *hand pistols* |
| 17:44.45 | PoeticIntensity | *bullets!* |
| 17:44.56 | mindjuju__ | i was in reference to how you handled the dog in your previous statement |
| 17:44.57 | stderr- | I still have 2. I just deal with it. |
| 17:45.04 | mindjuju__ | great for you |
| 17:45.16 | mindjuju__ | so as to mgeary now |
| 17:45.34 | mindjuju__ | 1. it's his property, 2. there is a health condidtion |
| 17:45.34 | stderr- | I have a hard time believing a cat in your yard will trigger an allergic reaction |
| 17:45.42 | stderr- | and if it does, you probably _do_ need a force field |
| 17:45.49 | PoeticIntensity | I don't think he's in the wrong at all, I just was curious as to his reasons why he wants to cut a cat's head off.... |
| 17:45.54 | mindjuju__ | well Dr. Stderr, have you examined the patient? |
| 17:45.58 | mindjuju__ | have you examined the cats? |
| 17:46.05 | mindjuju__ | what do you base your opinioin? |
| 17:46.11 | stderr- | I prefer the title Emperor, thank you. |
| 17:46.35 | PoeticIntensity | that'd have to be one heckuva allergy to be triggered by dander in the left portion of your yard. |
| 17:46.43 | mgeary | the allergies encourage my dislike of cats. I don't have an allergic reaction when a cat is in my yard, though they have wandered into my house before |
| 17:46.45 | stderr- | I base my opinion coming from a family rife with cat allergies and the very nature of a cat allergy. |
| 17:46.46 | mgeary | but again, that's not the point |
| 17:47.06 | stderr- | I'm not saying mgeary doesn't have the right to keep cats off his yard. |
| 17:47.07 | PoeticIntensity | (tee hee... I haven't been in a flame war in a long time... This is kind of fun!) |
| 17:47.10 | mgeary | point is, i don't like cats, and neighbors' got no right to let their cat come on my yard |
| 17:47.13 | PoeticIntensity | (and about cats, no less!) |
| 17:47.16 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: woot! |
| 17:47.22 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 17:47.34 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, agreed. |
| 17:47.42 | PoeticIntensity | if ya don't like em', then neighbors should respect that. |
| 17:47.54 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 17:48.03 | mindjuju__ | fairly said |
| 17:48.05 | mgeary | problem is, you can't train a cat to roam, and NOT go to a particular place |
| 17:48.15 | PoeticIntensity | true... |
| 17:48.21 | mgeary | unless, as mindjuju__ says, that place has some sort of cat repellent |
| 17:48.24 | PoeticIntensity | but they can't climb up sheet-metal fences. |
| 17:48.30 | mgeary | but, really, that shouldn't have to be MY problem |
| 17:48.47 | mindjuju__ | would hate to have neighbor follow the law and just not let cats roam |
| 17:48.51 | mgeary | i would totally shoot them with a BB gun, if i didn't think i'd get PETA'd into jail |
| 17:49.00 | stderr- | mgeary: :\ |
| 17:49.12 | mgeary | a non-lethal shot, i mean, stderr- |
| 17:49.13 | fungus | ~peta mgeary |
| 17:49.13 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. my cats throughout my life have been shot, killed, poisoned, run over, etc... |
| 17:49.19 | unum | this is an interesting turn |
| 17:49.25 | PoeticIntensity | I just buy another kitten. |
| 17:49.28 | stderr- | a BB gun can be lethal in a variety of circumstances. |
| 17:49.31 | mgeary | true |
| 17:49.36 | unum | I guess it's #utah where everyone thinks citizens should enforce the law |
| 17:49.38 | stderr- | of someone shot my cat with a BB gun I would escalate the situation. |
| 17:49.41 | PoeticIntensity | history has proven that true. |
| 17:49.45 | mindjuju__ | sure, subject another animal to a situation that you know is fatal to them, pi, |
| 17:49.46 | stderr- | s/of/if |
| 17:49.49 | mindjuju__ | there's a great thought |
| 17:49.54 | unum | sure you're neighbors are breaking the law, but it's often up to neighbors to turn them in for it |
| 17:50.00 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, may or may not be... |
| 17:50.05 | PoeticIntensity | but man, they live a good life while they're alive. |
| 17:50.23 | mgeary | unum: yep. my nuclear option, really, will be to get the trap from the shelter and turn the cats in there |
| 17:50.45 | PoeticIntensity | must be a seething hatred of cats, man... |
| 17:50.48 | mgeary | at which point the cat will be put down if it's not tagged, and the owner gets a reprimand and/or fine if it is tagged |
| 17:50.50 | unum | mgeary: if the neighbors have ignored your nice requests that may be what you have to do |
| 17:50.53 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: you have no idea |
| 17:51.03 | mgeary | i *really* don't like cats |
| 17:51.08 | unum | I can tell |
| 17:51.17 | mgeary | now, granted, i wouldn't swerve out of my way to hit one with my car |
| 17:51.22 | mgeary | i do respect life |
| 17:51.26 | PoeticIntensity | well, that's nice. |
| 17:51.30 | PoeticIntensity | and proper. |
| 17:51.31 | unum | of course I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE dogs, so I guess I can understand |
| 17:51.35 | stderr- | that's really a high bar for respect for life, mgeary |
| 17:51.44 | mgeary | stderr-: thank you. i get that a lot |
| 17:52.11 | PoeticIntensity | man.... I'm just thinking... What I would do if I actually had a neighbor with hatred like that. |
| 17:52.21 | PoeticIntensity | that'd be tough. |
| 17:52.26 | unum | of course my hatred for dogs is like my hatred for guns, it's more the fanboys that I hate |
| 17:52.43 | mindjuju__ | i love how this has turned to mgeary with the hatred |
| 17:52.50 | mindjuju__ | he's never really struck me that way before |
| 17:52.54 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:52.56 | PoeticIntensity | well... he's not hateful towards me... |
| 17:52.59 | mindjuju__ | mgeary, you're the one with the problem |
| 17:52.59 | stderr- | I love all animals and all guns *hand pistols* |
| 17:53.00 | PoeticIntensity | he's hateful toward cats. |
| 17:53.03 | PoeticIntensity | that's been established. |
| 17:53.13 | PoeticIntensity | we don't hate him. |
| 17:53.19 | unum | I've known people like that |
| 17:53.20 | PoeticIntensity | why are you turning it that way, mindjuju__ ? |
| 17:53.25 | mindjuju__ | you should let all your neighbors cats deficate at will on your lawn |
| 17:53.28 | mindjuju__ | and you should enjoy it |
| 17:53.31 | mindjuju__ | and smile too |
| 17:53.37 | PoeticIntensity | they do. |
| 17:53.40 | PoeticIntensity | and I don't mind. |
| 17:53.43 | unum | the older ones use their pistols, the younger ones have the traps |
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| 17:53.56 | unum | mindjuju__: I've never seen a cat deficate on a lawn |
| 17:53.59 | PoeticIntensity | I already said I had to clean up dog poop, and did it while enjoying my neighbor's dog. |
| 17:54.08 | mindjuju__ | if the yard has dirt, they do |
| 17:54.08 | PoeticIntensity | also... mindjuju__ cats clean up their poop. |
| 17:54.12 | unum | and I've always let my neighbor's cats use my flower beds |
| 17:54.13 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... and it's covered up. |
| 17:54.18 | unum | why wouldn't I? |
| 17:54.24 | PoeticIntensity | it helps the garden grow, for sure. |
| 17:54.28 | mindjuju__ | sure, they bury it under the wood chips in public kids play area |
| 17:54.35 | stderr- | unum: if you had a pregnant woman working in the garden |
| 17:54.38 | mindjuju__ | that's a great place for that |
| 17:54.48 | unum | mindjuju__: mgeary has not mentioned any of those problems |
| 17:55.21 | mindjuju__ | true, at this point i'm just responding to pi's assertions that the cat neatly packages its poo and finds the nearest reclaimation area to put it in nicely |
| 17:55.28 | mindjuju__ | with the rubber gloves and all of that |
| 17:55.30 | stderr- | I just wish someone's turkey would cross into my lawn so I don't have to go up to Heber next spring during the turkey season to bag one |
| 17:55.40 | unum | stderr-: I know that's a concern, but since I've always been around cats it's not a problem for me or my wife |
| 17:55.57 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, LOL HAHAH..... oh, man... I wish. |
| 17:56.04 | stderr- | unum: my wife and I took the necessary steps to protect her while she was pregnant but it wasn't a big deal. |
| 17:56.06 | mindjuju__ | i've already turned on mgeary, he's wrong for having an opinion on the care of his yard, his home and for wanting his neighbors to abide by the laws |
| 17:56.11 | PoeticIntensity | that'd save my kids finding nice treats in the dirt.... |
| 17:56.40 | stderr- | hey, if you own a dog too, the cat poo problem solves itself. |
| 17:56.49 | PoeticIntensity | ^5 stderr- |
| 17:56.52 | PoeticIntensity | I'm gonna go get a dog... |
| 17:56.55 | PoeticIntensity | that's a great idea! |
| 17:56.57 | stderr- | just buy your dog some breath treets |
| 17:57.00 | stderr- | treats* |
| 17:57.04 | stderr- | PoeticIntensity: ^5 |
| 17:57.06 | PoeticIntensity | LMAO!!!! |
| 17:57.25 | PoeticIntensity | So... what kind of dog is the most likely to eat cat crap? |
| 17:57.34 | stderr- | seriously, every dog I've owned eats cat poo like it's some special brand of beef jerky |
| 17:57.41 | stderr- | labs seem to have quite the affinity, PI |
| 17:57.44 | PoeticIntensity | labs.... |
| 17:57.48 | PoeticIntensity | hmm.... probably too big. |
| 17:58.09 | mgeary | it just keeps getting better and better |
| 17:58.18 | PoeticIntensity | man... I'm lovin' this. |
| 17:58.31 | PoeticIntensity | I never thought I'd be part of a flame-war involving cats in a PHP channel... |
| 17:58.37 | unum | what should have said instead of fanboys was it's the people who have to take them everywhere |
| 17:58.47 | mindjuju__ | the sad thing is, it almost seems like you believe what you're saying PI |
| 17:58.59 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, c'mon, man... |
| 17:59.03 | PoeticIntensity | my neighbors LIKE my cat. |
| 17:59.07 | stderr- | mindjuju is like the white knight of cat haters everywhere. |
| 17:59.15 | PoeticIntensity | why in the world am I gonna concern myself about letting him outside? |
| 17:59.29 | unum | next time I get a cat it will be an outside cat |
| 17:59.37 | unum | and I won't feel bad about it at all |
| 17:59.46 | unum | hopefully I won't have any cat hating neighbors |
| 17:59.48 | PoeticIntensity | they've openly thanked me for letting him outside, because THEY HAVE NO MICE. |
| 17:59.55 | mindjuju__ | it's not cats, or cat hating, it's the bigger issue |
| 18:00.02 | mindjuju__ | he doesn't want it |
| 18:00.05 | mindjuju__ | he doesn't agree |
| 18:00.06 | unum | growing up all the complaints were about our dog, not our cat |
| 18:00.10 | mindjuju__ | you are forcing the issue on him |
| 18:00.11 | macnewbold | mgeary: fwiw, I think cats are classified differently than dogs for purposes of the "no roaming pets" laws - my understanding is that they're allowed to roam. |
| 18:00.13 | PoeticIntensity | all other neighbors in the surrounding area (outside my cats territory) have a horrible problem with mice. |
| 18:00.19 | macnewbold | but you're right about only being allowed to have 2 in most cities |
| 18:00.19 | mindjuju__ | that's what i'm fighing about |
| 18:00.25 | mgeary | macnewbold: nope. they're not, though it may vary by city |
| 18:00.33 | unum | because our dog wan a pain(she was after all a dog) |
| 18:00.41 | stderr- | mindjuju__: noone's forcing the issue on mgeary. |
| 18:00.53 | stderr- | I'm not a cat fascist. |
| 18:00.55 | unum | macnewbold: depends on the city, murray actualy requires cats to be leashed |
| 18:01.02 | stderr- | I'm not the antagonist of the graphic novel Maus. |
| 18:01.15 | mindjuju__ | when the neighbor lets cat free and doesn't do anything when mgeary complained, then it is a force |
| 18:01.16 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju__, what does exaggerating a statement about a cat covering his poop have to do with mgeary's lawn? |
| 18:01.19 | macnewbold | unum: that's crazy :) i guess i'm glad i live in draper rather than murray. |
| 18:01.35 | macnewbold | our cats help keep the mice out of our cul-de-sac quite well |
| 18:01.40 | mindjuju__ | he doesn't want the bloody cat on his lawn, why is that so hard to understand? |
| 18:01.49 | PoeticIntensity | said it before, I'll say it again - mgeary can hate cats, and he can even kill mine if he wants to, if it's on his property. |
| 18:01.59 | unum | macnewbold: I think it's only loosly enforced, but I know someone who got a ticket for it(as well as the one for his dog, which is why the animal controll officer was there) |
| 18:02.02 | stderr- | it's not hard to understand. I think we all understand it quite well. |
| 18:02.03 | PoeticIntensity | but I don't live near mgeary. |
| 18:02.14 | mindjuju__ | oh good, that my part here is done |
| 18:02.19 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... I'm on to talking about how to control cat poop by getting a dog. |
| 18:02.36 | stderr- | it's like free doggy snacks |
| 18:03.00 | PoeticIntensity | I'm interested now if Springville has an ordinance on cat-roaming. |
| 18:03.01 | fungus | most dogs eat cat poo, some dogs even eat dog poo |
| 18:03.19 | PoeticIntensity | cause a few are encroaching on my cat's territory.... |
| 18:03.27 | fungus | even fewer dogs eat dog poo while it comes out of another dog. |
| 18:03.52 | PoeticIntensity | *wipes tears away*... oh my, that's hilarious. |
| 18:06.57 | PoeticIntensity | Hey mgeary... how do you feel about mice? |
| 18:07.06 | PoeticIntensity | or rats..? |
| 18:08.28 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: afaik, rats would be extremely unusual in UV. Mice, meh, i just trap 'em. Technically what we have aren't mice, they're mountain voles, but whatever |
| 18:09.01 | PoeticIntensity | right on.. I was just curious... Sometimes ya just don't like what ya just don't like. |
| 18:09.16 | mgeary | besides, not just any cat could take on a tough rat. I don't see rat suppression as a significant issue in the cat question. At least, not around here |
| 18:09.16 | PoeticIntensity | and yeah... rats would be very unusual. |
| 18:09.25 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 18:10.54 | stderr- | ugh I'm gonna have to refactor all of this sprite code 9_9 |
| 18:12.33 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 18:13.00 | PoeticIntensity | looks like as of March of this year, anything considered a pest (and isn't human) can be shot and killed. |
| 18:13.24 | PoeticIntensity | (warning, photo of dead cat on this page) |
| 18:13.26 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2011/03/02/utah-feral-cat-bill-passes-house.aspx |
| 18:13.39 | mgeary | and who says i don't have political clout? |
| 18:13.47 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:13.50 | PoeticIntensity | that includes dogs. |
| 18:13.54 | mgeary | Wal*Mart is next! |
| 18:13.57 | influx | D: |
| 18:14.01 | PoeticIntensity | hehe... |
| 18:14.04 | stderr- | PoeticIntensity linking to a PETA page, well... I've seen it all. |
| 18:14.26 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... but - hmm.... I could go either way on this bill... |
| 18:14.34 | PoeticIntensity | feral cats can become a problem, very fast. |
| 18:14.50 | PoeticIntensity | but I don't *really* want someone to kill my cat. |
| 18:14.55 | PoeticIntensity | just means I'll have to go get another one. |
| 18:14.56 | fungus | PI that bill didn't pass |
| 18:15.00 | PoeticIntensity | oh, right on. |
| 18:15.10 | PoeticIntensity | so... I guess ya can't kill em'. |
| 18:15.18 | PoeticIntensity | got a link, so I can continue researching, fungus ? |
| 18:15.36 | fungus | http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2011/03/15/utah-feral-cat-bill-shot-down-cats-aren-t.aspx |
| 18:15.50 | PoeticIntensity | nice. |
| 18:16.21 | fungus | it passed house once though. That's pretty sad |
| 18:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | WHAT!?!?!? you didn't warn me of the hugely offensive "cat prancing" photo plastered on that page, fungus!! I'm offended now. |
| 18:16.35 | unum | on state rep said it was common for farmers to put feral cats in a bag and drown them, and that's why he voted against henry's law |
| 18:16.59 | unum | peta is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay extreme for me |
| 18:17.05 | unum | I'm more a human society kind of person |
| 18:17.13 | fungus | peta is way too extreme. |
| 18:17.24 | ninnypants | PoeticIntensity: that bill didn't pass |
| 18:17.33 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, ninnypants, reading about it now |
| 18:17.33 | fungus | But w/o extremes on both sides, it's hard to find the middle |
| 18:17.47 | PoeticIntensity | nah... I don't believe that, fungus |
| 18:17.50 | fungus | Examples: Free Software, Repub vs Democrat |
| 18:18.07 | PoeticIntensity | extreme is pretty easily idenfitiable with or without the other side. |
| 18:18.15 | PoeticIntensity | wow... I can spell, too. |
| 18:19.14 | fungus | Where would Open Source be w/o RMS |
| 18:19.37 | PoeticIntensity | ahh... true. |
| 18:19.49 | fungus | w/o him, the "middle" would be much closer to Microsoft ideologies. |
| 18:19.52 | PoeticIntensity | I was just thinking of like... suicide bombers or serial rapists.... |
| 18:20.24 | ninnypants | the problem with peta is that they're crazy and they don't help just take donations |
| 18:21.00 | fungus | They do a lot of help, but do alot of harm too. |
| 18:21.15 | ninnypants | http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/09/petas-euthanasia-rates-have-critics-fuming/ |
| 18:21.23 | ninnypants | I've very rarely seen any help from there |
| 18:21.36 | fungus | The fact that we talk about PETA means they have done something important to get the topic talked about. |
| 18:21.38 | ninnypants | can't think of the last time I've seen something where they didn't help |
| 18:21.41 | PoeticIntensity | yup... I've always considered peta very extreme. |
| 18:21.55 | PoeticIntensity | ninnypants, I think you mean "did" help. |
| 18:22.13 | ninnypants | yeah thanks PoeticIntensity |
| 18:22.14 | PoeticIntensity | I was just googling cat laws, when they came up. |
| 18:22.25 | fungus | PETA is part responsible for Utah's cruelty to animals law |
| 18:22.59 | fungus | PETA was part responsible for films to stop harming animals. |
| 18:23.12 | PoeticIntensity | ugh..... |
| 18:23.29 | PoeticIntensity | Peta, to me, is like the religious cults of the day. |
| 18:23.55 | ninnypants | fungus: didn' know that but that may have been before I got involved in rescue work |
| 18:24.13 | ninnypants | my issue with them is that they make animal welfare people look like nutters |
| 18:24.23 | fungus | ninnypants, agreed |
| 18:24.25 | ninnypants | though many do a good job of that on their own |
| 18:24.29 | fungus | They are nuts |
| 18:24.34 | fungus | PETA i mean |
| 18:24.45 | ninnypants | you'd be right on both accounts ;) |
| 18:25.10 | ninnypants | but yeah so I think in the long term PETA has done more harm than good |
| 18:25.31 | fungus | I disagree |
| 18:25.38 | fungus | PETA is a household name. |
| 18:26.00 | ninnypants | yes but with a negative stigma |
| 18:26.03 | fungus | W/o them I don't think anyone would even talk about cruelty to animals |
| 18:26.19 | fungus | Yes it's negative but it brings up the topic |
| 18:26.33 | ninnypants | true |
| 18:27.31 | ninnypants | well gotta run but would love to discuss more fungus |
| 18:27.51 | fungus | PETA gets people talking about it, but the humane societies and such get the real work done. |
| 18:29.38 | unum | that's true |
| 18:31.10 | unum | So I'm a huge TR fan, and was reading "Wilderness Warrior" |
| 18:31.29 | unum | turns out his grandfather and uncle were founding board members of the ASPCA |
| 18:31.45 | unum | or what ever it's called |
| 18:31.46 | unum | SPCA |
| 18:32.15 | fungus | TR? |
| 18:32.23 | unum | Teddy Roosevelt |
| 18:32.37 | fungus | really? cool. |
| 18:32.47 | unum | his father also founded what's now called(after a series of mergers) Chase bank |
| 18:33.05 | unum | s/father/grandfather |
| 18:38.57 | carmony | any MLB fans here? |
| 18:43.03 | mgeary | Montana Land Bureau? I think they've done a great job |
| 18:55.35 | unum | I agree |
| 18:55.46 | unum | speaking of things I HATE!!!! |
| 18:55.53 | unum | I really shouldn't use that word.... |
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| 19:01.28 | mgeary | that's what you hate? |
| 19:02.39 | unum | maybe we should through a no NBA season party ;) |
| 19:02.44 | unum | s/through/throw |
| 19:03.00 | mgeary | i hope the season gets going soon. We've got some work contingent upon it |
| 19:03.34 | unum | that sucks |
| 19:04.03 | unum | at my last job, conflict typically meant more work for us |
| 19:04.16 | unum | though I don't think this would be one of those cases |
| 19:06.19 | unum | but my last job was EVIL |
| 19:26.59 | mindjuju__ | ~chuckfact |
| 19:27.00 | ibot | There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist |
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| 20:25.42 | mindjuju__ | utah_dave, you around? |
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| 20:58.11 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: I'm back. |
| 21:00.39 | mindjuju__ | remember how we talking about phone system woes? |
| 21:00.58 | mindjuju__ | so now that we are at the peak of the holiday season and our phone lines are 100% maxed out |
| 21:01.46 | mindjuju__ | for some reason, our phone server, whilst in distress, and at a frequency of 1 out of every phone calls is sending out a 410 packet to our sip trunk provider, tell them that our phone num has changed |
| 21:01.52 | mindjuju__ | utah_Dave^^ |
| 21:02.03 | mindjuju__ | of course, the hpone num hasn't changed, but... |
| 21:02.09 | Utah_Dave | huh. |
| 21:02.28 | mindjuju__ | soo, engineers are looking into it as we speak |
| 21:02.47 | mindjuju__ | just part of the nuttiness of this phone system |
| 21:02.51 | Utah_Dave | weird. |
| 21:03.14 | Utah_Dave | Sounds like it's not handling being saturated correctly. |
| 21:03.15 | mindjuju__ | i wish we'd have gone asterisk |
| 21:04.14 | Utah_Dave | You can still add more capacity with an Asterisk server |
| 21:04.51 | mindjuju__ | we don't have the employee infrastructure to handle it |
| 21:05.23 | mindjuju__ | by the time they were trained and ready to use the phones, the season would be over |
| 21:05.38 | mindjuju__ | though for next season, that might be a good thing |
| 21:05.45 | mindjuju__ | would give us time to ramp it up, etc |
| 21:05.51 | Utah_Dave | Of course, you can obviously still have problems when using Asterisk. |
| 21:08.46 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: how many concurrent calls are you handling right now? |
| 21:08.55 | mindjuju__ | 54 |
| 21:10.35 | Utah_Dave | At what point does the server start sending out the bad 410 packet? |
| 21:11.47 | mindjuju__ | as far as i understand it, once the server is maxed out and it's still receiving requests for connection, that's when the server does the 410 |
| 21:12.02 | mindjuju__ | i wasn't really meaning for you to try to troubleshoot, was more giving an example of craziness |
| 21:12.08 | Utah_Dave | 410 Gone: The user existed once, but is not available here any more. |
| 21:12.11 | mindjuju__ | though we could try to work thorugh it if you want |
| 21:12.58 | Utah_Dave | well, I don't know anything about the current server you're using, so I'm sure their engineers would fix it much faster than I could. |
| 21:13.06 | mindjuju__ | yup |
| 21:13.10 | mindjuju__ | crazy though, huh? |
| 21:13.40 | Utah_Dave | 410 is kind of a funny response to send. |
| 21:13.57 | mindjuju__ | yeah |
| 21:14.19 | mindjuju__ | seems like maybe should send a 600 instead |
| 21:14.23 | mindjuju__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SIP_response_codes |
| 21:15.24 | Utah_Dave | yeah. |
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| 21:29.04 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: what's the name of your pbx, again? |
| 21:34.05 | mindjuju__ | zulyts |
| 21:34.59 | Utah_Dave | do you guys use the CRM and all that stuff with it? |
| 21:35.08 | mindjuju__ | CRM? |
| 21:35.35 | Utah_Dave | does it pop up the incoming caller's account based off their phone number, etc |
| 21:36.12 | mindjuju__ | it offers that now, but didn't when we first got it |
| 21:38.06 | Utah_Dave | does it have standard sip phones? Do you know if you can have the phones log into any sip server? |
| 21:38.25 | mindjuju__ | they are zulyts branded phones |
| 21:38.32 | mindjuju__ | want me to dig up a model num? |
| 21:38.53 | Utah_Dave | sure. |
| 21:39.49 | mindjuju__ | 6753i |
| 21:40.11 | mindjuju__ | like this |
| 21:40.11 | mindjuju__ | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=6753i&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1126&bih=794&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=10221956051359507400&sa=X&ei=LCGrTsuAAeXgiALMoZz8Cg&ved=0CHYQ8wIwAA |
| 21:44.15 | Utah_Dave | They look like they're standard sip. |
| 21:44.23 | Utah_Dave | Are you guys recording all these calls? |
| 21:45.09 | jsmith | mindjuju__: Ah, they're just Aastra phones :-) |
| 21:45.49 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: :) looks like it. |
| 21:54.55 | mindjuju__ | yup recording all calls |
| 21:54.57 | mindjuju__ | is that bad? |
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| 21:57.23 | Utah_Dave | Depending on the set up, recording pounds your hard drives pretty hard. It lowers the total # of calls that the server can handle at once |
| 21:57.53 | Utah_Dave | But I don't know how they set it up with your server. You might just be bumping into the license limit. The hardware might handle it just fine. |
| 21:58.04 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 21:58.04 | ibot | gives mgeary a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 21:58.10 | mgeary | grr |
| 21:59.19 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: Does this appear to be a software/hardware limit you're running into, or is it licensing? |
| 21:59.52 | mindjuju__ | hardware, feels like |
| 22:00.22 | mgeary | ~cattorment Utah_Dave |
| 22:00.23 | ibot | ACTION gathers cats from mgeary's neighbors, stderr, and PoeticIntensity, feeds them LSD-laced Ex-Lax, stuffs them in a bag, shakes the bag, and dumps the whole mess out in Utah_Dave's lap to enjoy |
| 22:00.43 | mindjuju__ | oh man |
| 22:01.00 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 22:01.02 | mindjuju__ | that's sure to upset some people |
| 22:01.12 | mindjuju__ | and 'm staying out of it this time! |
| 22:01.33 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
| 22:01.33 | raifbot | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at romanovic-afk. |
| 22:01.54 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: I'm pretty sure you could point those Aastra phones at an Asterisk server, unless they're super locked down. |
| 22:02.23 | mindjuju__ | knowing these guys, there is nothing super about it, let's give it a shot! i've got a spare phone! |
| 22:04.15 | TuxToaster | $lart #uphpu |
| 22:04.15 | raifbot | executes killall -KILL #uphpu. |
| 22:04.18 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:04.26 | TuxToaster | that's one way to clear the room |
| 22:06.10 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: can you get in to the phone configuration and see if you can change the sip server and user name and password? |
| 22:07.59 | mindjuju__ | i'll have to try, i know there is an admin page i can access if i enter the phone password |
| 22:20.26 | ninnypants | so my keyboard got ruined which should I get http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-professional-silent/ or http://www.deckkeyboards.com/product_info.php?products_id=54 |
| 22:21.16 | mindjuju__ | they both look pretty cool |
| 22:22.32 | Utah_Dave | ninnypants: I have the models professional silent |
| 22:22.55 | ninnypants | Utah_Dave: I think we talked about it once |
| 22:23.04 | ninnypants | sounded pretty good |
| 22:23.35 | ninnypants | I've heard good things about the deck as well and I think the deck may be a little quieter because of the key switches it has |
| 22:24.47 | ninnypants | I think I might go with the Deck because I don't think I need a usb hub |
| 22:25.52 | ninnypants | though the font choice for the keys on the deck keyboard is horrible |
| 22:26.10 | Utah_Dave | I like my das, but I wish they had an ergonomic version |
| 22:26.20 | Utah_Dave | and had media keys |
| 22:36.20 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju__: email me or call me if you need any other help! time to go home. Plus, I'm kinda feeling under the weather. |
| 22:45.13 | fungus | eww. The Deck keyboard is ugly |
| 22:45.23 | fungus | ninnypants, buy the Das |
| 22:48.48 | fungus | Though I like my keyboard better. http://bit.ly/pwUDWb |
| 22:51.10 | ninnypants | fungus: apple keyboards are awesome |
| 22:56.00 | influx | ch-ch-ch-chia |
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