00:01.02 | ninnypants | you use getDocumentNamespaces then you use what it returns from that as the namespace |
00:01.46 | ninnypants | so something like $namespaces = getdocnamespace(); $attr = attributes($namespaces[0]); |
00:01.54 | ninnypants | something like that but real code |
00:04.11 | skinner | ok, i'll see if that works |
00:06.42 | ninnypants | skinner: any luck? |
00:07.13 | skinner | doesn't look like it works |
00:07.23 | skinner | getdocnamespace returns: |
00:07.30 | ninnypants | can you pastebin your code? |
00:07.37 | mgeary | hey folks. Another OT question: what's the drop-dead simplest way to get a very non-technical Windows user to place a downloaded application onto their Desktop? On a Mac you can download a dmg file that auto-mounts and opens a window that can allow you to just drag the file to an alias of the Desktop folder, but i don't think Windows has an equivalent |
00:08.12 | ninnypants | mgeary: like install to the desktop? |
00:08.20 | mgeary | ninnypants: ideally without an installer, but yes |
00:08.31 | ninnypants | or just have a shortcut on the desktop |
00:08.55 | mgeary | here's the thing. A client who has some VERY non-technical people is having us build a tiny executable that does nothing more than launch a website when clicked |
00:09.22 | mgeary | so we've got a download screen where people can download this launcher widget, but they're worried that after people download it, they won't know how to get it onto their desktops |
00:09.24 | mgeary | sigh |
00:09.25 | ninnypants | oh well they can just drop the .exe on the desktop and it'll run there |
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00:09.45 | mgeary | ninnypants: apparently there is some concern that that action may be too challenging |
00:09.51 | ninnypants | and if it's in the download folder they can just drag it to their desktop |
00:10.17 | skinner | http://pastebin.com/gipVyCcE |
00:10.22 | skinner | ninnypants: ^ |
00:10.31 | redroy | this is funny |
00:12.04 | skinner | i would say half of windows users aren't aware of what they've even downloaded, let alone WHERE on their PC.... :) |
00:13.40 | mgeary | exactly |
00:13.54 | redroy | haha, seriously, this is cracking me up |
00:13.55 | redroy | sotp |
00:13.58 | mgeary | but is there any way to make it more brain dead? |
00:13.58 | redroy | *stop |
00:14.12 | mgeary | redroy: you mock my pain |
00:14.27 | ninnypants | skinner: http://pastebin.com/kLZWgUKx |
00:14.51 | redroy | I'm trying not to, it's just too funny |
00:14.53 | skinner | mgeary: Why a .exe? |
00:15.03 | skinner | why not just a shortcut on the desktop right to the website? |
00:15.05 | redroy | I'm saving this chat |
00:15.19 | ninnypants | mgeary: skinner is right whynot an auto bookmark link or something? |
00:15.30 | mgeary | skinner: because, again, the client feels that giving someone instructions on how to do that will be too challenging for some users |
00:15.48 | mgeary | ninnypants: they don't want a bookmark, they want something on the desktop that users can click |
00:15.57 | skinner | what I mean is, create a text file |
00:16.01 | skinner | like: |
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00:16.12 | skinner | (with a .url for the exension) |
00:16.17 | skinner | mywebsite.url |
00:16.24 | skinner | contents: |
00:16.34 | skinner | [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.example.com/ |
00:16.44 | skinner | they can then download that file and put it on the desktop |
00:16.50 | skinner | then it's not a .exe |
00:17.01 | skinner | windows treats it as a shortcut to the website |
00:17.01 | skinner | :) |
00:17.02 | ninnypants | skinner: a .exe would allow you to include an image like the favicon or something |
00:17.06 | skinner | true |
00:17.35 | mgeary | skinner: but that doesn't solve the problem of helping the dumb user place the file on the desktop |
00:17.47 | ninnypants | mgeary: I don't know that there is a simpler way than dragging it from the download folder to the desktop |
00:17.50 | skinner | ~stab dumb windows users |
00:17.50 | ibot | ACTION runs at dumb windows users with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
00:18.34 | ninnypants | skinner: did my comments on your code work once you fixed the errors the lack of a comment syntax created? |
00:21.50 | skinner | it looks like it did work.... |
00:22.27 | skinner | ok |
00:22.30 | skinner | I think I get it now |
00:22.42 | ninnypants | cool |
00:22.47 | ninnypants | well I gotta run later |
00:22.51 | skinner | thanks@ |
00:22.52 | skinner | ! |
00:22.57 | skinner | ~ninnypants++ |
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14:12.39 | *** topic/#UPHPU is UPHPU | Utah PHP Users Group | it's supernovia bday today |
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14:12.53 | carmony | ~lart ibot |
14:12.53 | ibot | squishes carmony like a bug |
14:12.57 | carmony | awww |
14:13.09 | Utah_Dave | Hmm. It's purchasing time here at work. I'm not sure if I know of any new tech books I want |
14:13.56 | carmony | I know of a good book I'd like if you want to buy it and donate it to the Carmony Charity... ;) |
14:14.17 | carmony | what was it called... book... pro... something..... MacBook Pro I think it was...... ;D |
14:17.59 | ninnypants1 | mornin all |
14:19.44 | Utah_Dave | carmony: he he. that would be nice. |
14:20.27 | Utah_Dave | They still won't let us get mac laptops. Basically it comes down that they are too "cool" and surely are waste fraud and abuse |
14:20.40 | carmony | rofl |
14:20.54 | Utah_Dave | but we can order a Dell laptop maxed out with every awesome thing they have. |
14:21.21 | carmony | thats not too bad |
14:23.35 | Utah_Dave | I'm looking forward to them. 250 gig SSD, 8 gigs ram, upgraded video card. |
14:24.00 | herlo | Utah_Dave: probably because they are waste, fraud and abuse :) |
14:24.19 | herlo | Utah_Dave: re: mbp |
14:24.19 | Utah_Dave | :) |
14:26.20 | carmony | I really like my mbp :P |
14:27.00 | Utah_Dave | The new Macbook Airs look really nice. |
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14:28.41 | herlo | yes, they look nice, but unless you run OSX full-time, the Apple tax is too much for me |
14:28.59 | herlo | EVAR! |
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14:30.05 | carmony | ok, speaking on laptops |
14:30.20 | carmony | I'm thinking about getting a netbook |
14:30.57 | herlo | I've read that the acer's are pretty nice |
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15:05.31 | TuxToaster | $rlart |
15:05.31 | raifbot | pushes the wall down onto macnewbold whilst whistling innocently. |
15:06.26 | macnewbold | ~greet TuxToaster |
15:06.27 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on TuxToaster |
15:06.34 | TuxToaster | lol |
15:06.35 | TuxToaster | nice one |
15:06.39 | macnewbold | how's it going? |
15:07.13 | macnewbold | i hear through the grapevine you're downtown now? things working out well there? |
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15:10.38 | TuxToaster | so far pretty good :-) |
15:12.17 | TuxToaster | it's been a very welcome change for sure |
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15:17.07 | mgeary | anyone here use VirtualBox for Windows emulation? |
15:17.24 | mindjuju | on a mac, yes |
15:17.39 | mindjuju | i have a GD using virtualbox > WinXP |
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15:17.52 | mindjuju | she's Mac OS X (someVersionHere) |
15:18.22 | mgeary | i've got the same thing, but i'm trying to get Win 7 installed. Ideally, i plan on duplicating my XP image so i can still boot into XP when needed |
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15:19.17 | mgeary | but my hard drive is too small for Win 7. I can't create a new disk, because my Win7 is an upgrade, so it needs XP to be there first, so i'm trying to figure out if there's a way to increase the disk size of my existing instance |
15:19.49 | mindjuju | mgeary, if i recall correctly, win7 has some kind of voodoo that detects running in VM and doesn't allow or rigs it in some way |
15:19.56 | mindjuju | i think it has to do with licensing |
15:19.58 | mgeary | oh yeah? :/ |
15:20.14 | mindjuju | i read about it a while back, but never run into the situation myself |
15:20.24 | mindjuju | about the hdd increase, i've never found a way to do so |
15:20.43 | mindjuju | i've always had to either tack on another virtual hdd or start fresh with a new hdd |
15:21.37 | mindjuju | fungus got me onto virtualbox, he may know different |
15:22.59 | fungus | mgeary, yes it's possible to extend a windows drive in a VM |
15:23.23 | mgeary | fungus: do you know of any problems upgrading XP to Win7 in VirtualBox? |
15:23.32 | fungus | If you are trying to extend the C: drive, it's a bit painful since you can't extend a system drive while it's running |
15:23.44 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
15:23.53 | fungus | Nope, I've never upgraded winxp to win7, only fresh installs |
15:24.23 | fungus | There is a trick you can use to extend the C: drive though |
15:25.08 | mgeary | http://www.sysresccd.org/Download ? |
15:25.39 | fungus | that might work too. |
15:26.23 | fungus | I usually just clone the drive, boot, attach the copy as a second drive, extend that one, reboot with the extended copy |
15:26.42 | mgeary | i'm game for that |
15:26.46 | mindjuju | oh that's wise |
15:26.59 | mgeary | how do you extend the copy? |
15:27.08 | DexterTheDragon | mgeary: VBoxManage modifyhd filename.vdi --resize 46080 |
15:28.00 | mindjuju | ~DtD++ |
15:28.46 | fungus | Then while booted you use "diskpart" in windows to extend the partition/filesystem |
15:29.06 | mgeary | DexterTheDragon: are you saying i can just do that without having to clone and mount, like fungus is saying? |
15:29.26 | fungus | That command just makes the virtual disk bigger |
15:30.25 | DexterTheDragon | the clone and mount probably makes it easier to extend the ntfs partition |
15:30.27 | fungus | clone you disk, extend one disk with that command, boot normal disk, attach extended disk |
15:31.05 | fungus | use diskpart to extend filesystem on secondary extended disk, then shutdown, change VM to only use extended disk. Done |
15:31.34 | mgeary | ok |
15:31.42 | fungus | And you have a backup in case things go wrong. |
15:31.57 | mgeary | i've got a larger XP disk in Parallels already, so i'll try it with that first and see how the Win7 upgrade goes |
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15:40.10 | carmony | hrm... acers huh? |
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15:42.37 | herlo | carmony: acer has some nice netbooks, yes |
15:43.08 | herlo | but if you want something else, there are other good ones from most brands these days... |
15:44.09 | carmony | inexpensive is what I'm looking for :P |
15:44.19 | carmony | I just don't want to spring for a macbook air |
15:44.21 | carmony | :P |
15:47.43 | herlo | right, acer is a good price point |
15:47.57 | herlo | I think they have some at office depot and best buy if you wanna try them out |
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16:33.15 | jacob_kerr | Hey guys. Does this query look OK? |
16:33.29 | jacob_kerr | SELECT * FROM tours JOIN users ON tours.userID = users.userID |
16:33.29 | jacob_kerr | JOIN brokerages ON users.brokerageID = brokerages.brokerageID WHERE tours.tourTypeID = 16 OR tours.tourTypeID = 17 |
16:34.28 | jacob_kerr | sry for posting code here :(. Will use pastebin nxt time. |
16:36.09 | skinner | You getting an error with it? |
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16:38.27 | jacob_kerr | No errors just short some rows but this DB is a mess it could be because some of the tours are not tied to a user as they should be. |
16:39.00 | jacob_kerr | I guess the question is I am not sure if you can join on data being pulled from a JOIN proceeding it. |
16:41.14 | jacob_kerr | nvm I figured it out some users do not have a brokerage so I need a left join or something :) |
16:41.26 | jacob_kerr | that why I was short 162 results. |
16:42.24 | skinner | ah |
16:42.27 | skinner | good job :) |
16:43.24 | jacob_kerr | :) |
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16:57.34 | jacob_kerr | Hey with that query what I really want is the user to only show once and to show a count for each maching tour. What I am getting now is a result for every matching tour and duplicate user info.. *Scratching Head* |
16:58.01 | jacob_kerr | user ordered this tour 32 times. |
16:59.22 | jacob_kerr | nvm I'm just going to setup 2 queries LOL. |
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17:07.45 | jacob_kerr | Quick question. The following query returns all users with have ordered a certain tour in my db. With the query I have now it is showing the same user over again if they order the specified tour more then once. How can I set this query up to only show the user once and a count of how many time they have ordered a certain tour? |
17:07.49 | jacob_kerr | http://pastebin.com/Vx5fGDAD :) |
17:09.27 | TuxToaster | jacob_kerr: you'll always have that if it's a one-to-many relationship |
17:10.18 | jacob_kerr | So there's no way around it because the normalization may not have been setup right? |
17:10.57 | TuxToaster | well, it's not that it wasn't set up right per se, it just depends on the data you're querying. |
17:11.37 | TuxToaster | if you say you want to SELECT * FROM users and JOIN brokerages ON users.brokerageID but there could be 10 brokerages for one user |
17:11.56 | TuxToaster | you'll get the user record 10 times, each with the corresponding brokerage details |
17:12.17 | jacob_kerr | oh I'm just using my joins wront then. |
17:12.19 | jacob_kerr | wrong* |
17:12.30 | TuxToaster | so your best bet to avoid the unnecessary traffic would be to query the user details separately if you need them, and then to limit how much data you're pulling from the users table |
17:13.00 | TuxToaster | such as SELECT users.ID, users.name, brokerages.* FROM users LEFT JOIN brokerages... |
17:13.17 | TuxToaster | so that way for each result you get the user's ID and name, but not the entire record |
17:13.32 | jacob_kerr | K I c. |
17:13.43 | TuxToaster | or you could leave out the user columns entirely if you don't need them for that particular query |
17:14.18 | TuxToaster | but most likely you would want something to know which user that record goes with, unless the query is using a WHERE or something to limit to a particular user |
17:16.40 | jacob_kerr | yeah the query I had works. Only thing I need to change some how is getting the user info to only show once then show a count for the tour ID like this user has order 4 tour with tour id 7 and 6 tours with the tour id 13. |
17:22.05 | mgeary | ~rlart |
17:22.05 | ibot | slaps influx upside the head with a wet fish |
17:23.41 | jacob_kerr | DISTINCT may help with this? |
17:23.54 | jacob_kerr | then COUNT also? |
17:27.56 | stderr- | Morning, gents. |
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17:43.56 | TuxToaster | jacob_kerr: sorry, didn't see your question. DISTINCT will only help if the entire record is a duplicate, so assuming you don't have more than one result for each being returned on the brokerages table then DISTINCT won't help much there. |
17:44.45 | jacob_kerr | K yeah distinct helped when ran on the user so it only showed the user once. |
17:45.03 | jacob_kerr | and the brokerage is tied to the user. |
17:45.10 | jacob_kerr | each user only has one brokerage. |
17:46.37 | jacob_kerr | It seems to be working well. |
17:46.46 | TuxToaster | ok that works |
17:46.46 | jacob_kerr | if ran on user does that seem right? |
17:47.03 | jacob_kerr | Sweet im running with that :). |
17:47.21 | jacob_kerr | These guys like you got the query yet.. |
17:47.24 | jacob_kerr | LOL. |
17:47.24 | TuxToaster | wonderful thing about queries, they're as dynamic as the data they are working with :-) |
17:47.31 | jacob_kerr | Yeah. |
17:47.59 | TuxToaster | I usually just tweak them until I get the results I'm after, there's not really one specific rule that fits everything. |
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19:33.02 | mindjuju | too bad beandog isn't here, http://www.geekosystem.com/courts-fin-patent-troll/ |
19:33.12 | mindjuju | fail patent troll is fail |
19:43.25 | TuxToaster | wish they'd find that for others, like Lodsys |
19:44.01 | TuxToaster | mindjuju: have you seen this? https://ssl.catalog.com/~designlanguage.com/images/MobileLawsuits4.jpg |
19:45.02 | mindjuju | shouldn't there be a line from microsoft to google? |
19:45.25 | mindjuju | that's pretty cool |
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19:46.27 | TuxToaster | probably. They may be only dealing with hardware patents, though I don't see how Oracle fits in if that's the case |
19:47.11 | TuxToaster | the little tiny one for Elan suing Apple is most likely over touch components, surprising they aren't suing more. |
19:47.21 | Utah_Dave | so true, XKCD, so true. http://xkcd.com/936/ |
19:47.23 | DexterTheDragon | Oracle is suing over java |
19:47.30 | herlo | and? |
20:34.51 | mindjuju | in light of the stock market this today (-500pts) i proudly present http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU (100% no rick nor rebecca) |
20:37.41 | josephscott | the fact that you keep putting that disclaimer on your links is not helping your link credibility :-) |
20:38.19 | mindjuju | i wouldn't trust my own links without it |
20:38.48 | TuxToaster | LOL |
20:39.02 | herlo | lol |
20:39.07 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm pretty happy |
20:39.13 | mindjuju | :) |
20:39.15 | herlo | mindjuju: mostly because I don't worry |
20:39.16 | herlo | :) |
20:39.25 | mindjuju | how apropos! |
20:40.14 | herlo | hehe |
20:40.35 | josephscott | $lart links |
20:40.35 | raifbot | whacks links upside the head. |
20:43.16 | mahelious | just out of curiosity, whats the line that has to be crossed before we start drawing blood from the fed? |
20:43.35 | herlo | mindjuju: another related video for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo&NR=1 (same guarantee) |
20:44.05 | mahelious | do we wait until the stock market crashes? or until our congress goes bankrupt? or until we find we rally have no representation on the hill? |
20:44.10 | herlo | because you 'can't touch this' market :) |
20:44.59 | mahelious | cause i dont think the middle east is the only place that needs a fresh start... |
20:45.20 | herlo | mahelious: #utah wants to have you in there :) |
20:45.29 | herlo | mahelious: they love discussing this stuff |
20:50.28 | herlo | mindjuju: got another! |
20:50.35 | herlo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmcA9LIIXWw&NR=1 |
20:51.03 | mindjuju | havent' heard that song in a LONG time |
20:51.18 | herlo | not really related, other than they are on the referrals from youtube |
20:51.25 | herlo | yeah, I know, long time! |
20:54.21 | herlo | mindjuju: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXt56MB-3vc&NR=1 |
20:54.28 | herlo | another oldie, but goodie! |
20:59.09 | mgeary | hey, i need some iptables info |
20:59.14 | mgeary | i've never used it before, only ipfw |
20:59.30 | mgeary | but i need to add a rule to let mysql access in from my IP |
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21:06.36 | stderr- | mgeary: something like iptables -A INPUT -i <interface> -s your.ip.here -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT |
21:06.43 | herlo | mgeary: iptables -A/-I INPUT [4] -p tcp --dport 3306 -s yo.ur.ip.ad -j ACCEPT |
21:06.51 | mgeary | awesome. thanks |
21:07.05 | stderr- | herlo: 2 late, chump |
21:07.07 | herlo | stderr-: wow, I wouldn't have used the interface. |
21:07.08 | stderr- | :D |
21:07.11 | herlo | meh |
21:07.21 | stderr- | just covering the bases |
21:07.27 | mindjuju | fungus, do you know of a telnet client for iphone that you recommend? |
21:07.41 | herlo | mindjuju: get a new phone :) |
21:07.49 | fungus | iSSH |
21:07.58 | mindjuju | i don't own an iphone, i have an android, it's for somebody else |
21:08.00 | mindjuju | thx fungus |
21:08.11 | herlo | mindjuju: hehe |
21:08.12 | herlo | I know |
21:08.15 | fungus | it's not free, but it's pretty good |
21:08.23 | mgeary | do i need to reload the firewall, or does the new rule take immediate effect? |
21:08.26 | herlo | mindjuju: iThrowAwayYouriPhone :) |
21:08.38 | herlo | mgeary: takes effect immediately |
21:08.38 | mgeary | also, it's currently showing *after* DROP all, do i need to move it before somehow? |
21:08.53 | herlo | mgeary: but you'll need to save it |
21:09.05 | mgeary | do i need to worry about the order? |
21:09.10 | stderr- | yes |
21:09.11 | herlo | mgeary: yes, the -I INPUT 4 would insert the rule at nuber 4 |
21:09.16 | herlo | s/nuber/number/ |
21:09.22 | stderr- | I used append, which put it at the bottom |
21:09.28 | stderr- | (-A) |
21:09.28 | herlo | haha, I win! |
21:09.42 | mgeary | okay, so do i need to remove it, or can i move it? |
21:09.48 | herlo | lol |
21:09.57 | herlo | mgeary: yes, delete -D and then -I |
21:10.19 | herlo | mgeary: though if it is after the DROP rule, it really wont' do anything there |
21:10.32 | mgeary | true |
21:11.51 | mgeary | thanks. that seems to work |
21:14.15 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
21:14.15 | raifbot | Chuck Norris ended the song that never ends |
21:15.28 | josephscott | $random-number |
21:15.28 | raifbot | josephscott your number is : 109,492,939 |
21:16.14 | skinner | I got a job offer this morning. Company wants me to come there do do PHP, as well as learn C# and Java..... * sigh *.....dunno if I should take it.... |
21:16.22 | skinner | *to do PHP |
21:17.16 | influx | Ohio. |
21:17.22 | herlo | ew, Java! |
21:22.45 | SunSparc | mindjuju: http://turntable.fm/dubstep |
21:23.12 | josephscott | ~slime herlo |
21:23.19 | josephscott | hmmm, guess not :-) |
21:24.59 | SunSparc | iPhone terminal client, I use TouchTerm. I will have to check out iSSH. |
21:27.33 | fungus | definitely do. I've used touchterm too. iSSH is a bit nicer. |
21:27.45 | SunSparc | Good to know. |
21:29.20 | mindjuju | i wonder if iSSH knows that it has been endorsed by fungus? that's like the good housekeeping seal of approval, 4 stars from consumer reports, 5 eggs at new egg, finger lickin' status at KFC |
21:32.03 | herlo | mindjuju: but it's so fun! |
21:33.05 | mindjuju | it's the bittersweet of this job, i love where i work, i love what i do, i hate that one of the primary dbs is ms sql server 2k |
21:33.12 | mindjuju | i've got project in works for major upgrade |
21:39.11 | josephscott | mindjuju: to a new version of ms sql ? |
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21:44.26 | mindjuju | @josephscott, yup |
21:44.46 | josephscott | not sure if that would be considered an upgrade then, perhaps more of a lateral move :-) |
21:45.05 | mindjuju | i just realized that in order to upgrade the php to 5.36, i've got to use the new ms php driver for ms sql, and that requires us upgrading to ms sql 2k5 |
21:45.15 | mindjuju | so making this project jump a full order in complexity |
21:45.41 | influx | mack daddy make ya |
21:45.42 | fridgesm | that's what you get for using ms sql :) |
21:45.59 | mindjuju | i feel like evel kenevil and i'm eyeballing the grand canyon thinking i can jump it |
21:46.19 | mindjuju | fridgesm: that decision was made long ago, wasn't a part of that |
21:46.31 | mindjuju | though everything i do have 100% control over, i turn to OSS |
21:46.42 | mindjuju | F/OSS |
21:46.53 | fridgesm | my brother is actually on the ms sql team :) |
21:47.05 | fridgesm | so I'm not really all that opposed to it |
21:47.13 | mindjuju | does he give you the inside scoop on things? |
21:47.39 | mindjuju | i had a friend of mine from high school that went on to code patches for MS, it was aswesome having him as c++ tutor |
21:48.57 | fridgesm | he used to offer me the "latest build" whenever he came into town, but I just asked him if it would work on my Linux server |
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22:32.46 | influx | http://theundersigned.net/ |
22:32.48 | influx | :< |
22:33.16 | romanovic | influx: ouch |
22:33.57 | influx | Yeah. No way that I can see of contacting the guy either. |
22:34.14 | influx | Other than twitter. |
22:34.43 | romanovic | heh |
22:35.16 | romanovic | you could give him a post |
22:36.02 | influx | Heh. |
22:36.20 | romanovic | "Sweet idea! btw your webserver is broken. maybe fix that." |
22:36.34 | influx | Oh, there's a contact form. |
22:36.42 | fridgesm | it appears to be MySQL that's broken, right? |
22:36.54 | fridgesm | crashed table |
22:38.04 | influx | Looks that way to me. |
22:38.31 | influx | Nm. I'm dumb. It's a comment form. |
22:43.21 | stderr- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cbVW_QS2eE Those scumbag rioters |
22:46.58 | ninnypants | later all |
22:47.23 | mahelious | stderr-: lol |
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