| 00:00.54 | fungus | $suggest joseph wants |
| 00:00.55 | raifbot | fungus suggestions for 'joseph wants' : joseph wants to read, joseph wants, joseph wants divorce mary, col joe wants to know |
| 00:01.01 | romanovic | mgeary: pong |
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| 01:08.42 | wps | ~seen mac |
| 01:08.46 | ibot | mac <~mac@ip-109-91-31-114.unitymediagroup.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 120d 12h 41m 26s ago, saying: 'hey someone knows if there is a nand android build that supports autofocus while recording a video?'. |
| 01:08.48 | wps | ~seen macnewbold |
| 01:08.48 | ibot | macnewbold <~Adium@c-67-166-115-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 4h 54m 6s ago, saying: 'beandog: pong'. |
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| 02:33.16 | josephscott | $chuck-fact |
| 02:33.17 | raifbot | Chuck Norris played who will blink first, with a mirror. And he won |
| 02:34.09 | ninnypants1 | $chuck-fact |
| 02:34.09 | raifbot | "The only thing we have to fear is Chuck Norris himself." - Franklin D. Roosevelt |
| 02:35.05 | ninnypants1 | evening influx how're things at SR? |
| 02:42.53 | Utah_Dave | ~lart josephscott |
| 02:42.53 | ibot | takes out josephscott with the trash |
| 02:44.26 | influx | 'ello |
| 02:44.41 | ninnypants1 | how goes |
| 02:44.51 | influx | It goes well. |
| 02:45.02 | influx | Things are going well at SR. What's up? |
| 02:45.33 | influx | How are you? |
| 02:46.38 | ninnypants1 | pretty good |
| 02:46.45 | ninnypants1 | busy |
| 02:47.07 | ninnypants1 | haven't been out to the shop lately |
| 02:47.31 | influx | Yeah. I was wondering about that. |
| 02:47.37 | influx | Things with the New Mexico crew going well, I hope. |
| 02:48.35 | influx | (I'm going to attempt an upgrade of the Zen Cart install and then install a module that should help the shippers save some time.) |
| 02:48.49 | ninnypants1 | sweet |
| 02:48.51 | influx | (In an hour or two.) |
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| 02:49.08 | ninnypants1 | yeah super busy with new mexico stuff |
| 02:49.15 | influx | Nice! |
| 02:49.19 | ninnypants1 | lost the bid for newmexico.gov though... |
| 02:49.22 | influx | Anything new to you? |
| 02:49.26 | influx | That's too bad. |
| 02:49.46 | ninnypants1 | nah wp-e-commerce still sucks ;) |
| 02:49.59 | ninnypants1 | did some cool one pages sites lately though |
| 02:50.27 | influx | :D May I see? |
| 02:50.38 | ninnypants1 | gonna try to do that tumblr theme this weekend if rapture doesn't get me that is |
| 02:50.47 | ninnypants1 | http://ballsoffbenson.com |
| 02:50.59 | ninnypants1 | the other hasn't launched yet I'll pm it to you |
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| 03:19.34 | influx | How does MySQL treat the second of two values used with BETWEEN? |
| 03:20.06 | influx | nm |
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| 03:49.26 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 03:49.27 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't have to do anything for a Klondike bar |
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| 14:36.06 | influx | Morning. |
| 14:36.07 | influx | ninnypants: ping |
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| 15:03.29 | redroy | $chuck-fact |
| 15:03.30 | raifbot | When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn't lifting himself up, he's pushing the Earth down. |
| 15:03.51 | redroy | $chuck-fact |
| 15:03.52 | raifbot | Chuck Norris once stabbed a knife with a human being. |
| 15:03.57 | redroy | haha |
| 15:04.03 | ninnypants | hola influx |
| 15:04.18 | ninnypants | $chuck-fact |
| 15:04.18 | raifbot | Chuck Norris doesn't have to do anything for a Klondike bar |
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| 15:43.10 | mp_xm | morning all. i'm in search of a non-US shell to test a geoip redirect. anybody have an offshore account and wouldn't mind giving me a few moments to help me out with a test? |
| 15:50.57 | mgeary | mp_xm: ask romanovic-afk |
| 15:53.01 | mp_xm | will do, thanks |
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| 15:57.10 | macnewbold | mp_xm: i know some off shore open web proxies i've used, but not offshore shell :-/ |
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| 16:01.06 | mgeary | itimber2: is in Kansas. That's offshore, isn't it? |
| 16:01.24 | itimber2 | hahaha |
| 16:07.16 | itimber2 | for some reason, I thought that Linode had a location in London, and that you could specify where you would like to be hosted |
| 16:07.25 | itimber2 | and they offer shell access |
| 16:07.32 | itimber2 | but I cannot find the info now |
| 16:07.45 | mgeary | ~bahstats |
| 16:07.50 | mgeary | bah |
| 16:08.28 | DexterTheDragon | can get amazon ec2 instances around the globe |
| 16:09.58 | mp_xm | that's a good idea. i think i have this sorted with just a simple proxy though. |
| 16:10.28 | wps | is this bad practice? |
| 16:10.37 | mgeary | yes |
| 16:10.37 | wps | $_POST['animal'] = 'cow'; |
| 16:10.48 | wps | adding to or editing the _POST array? |
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| 16:12.33 | mgeary | wps: i can see why you'd ask, but i don't think there's any real difference in doing that, and in copying $_POST over to an array and doing it there |
| 16:12.33 | macnewbold | wps: i wouldn't say it's common practice, but i can see circumstances where it makes some sense. When you do that, does $_REQUEST automatically update too? If not you might want to update both. |
| 16:13.15 | wps | good question about _REQUEST |
| 16:14.33 | itimber2 | a thought on pulling $_POST to another array, and doing it thereâ¦. you'd probably double the memory consumption on that data at that point |
| 16:14.43 | itimber2 | rather than using memory that's already tied up |
| 16:15.42 | redroy | Just wanted to remind everyone that tomorrow is the end of the world⦠so all your php issues are moot. |
| 16:15.55 | itimber2 | haha |
| 16:15.59 | itimber2 | noted |
| 16:16.40 | macnewbold | he didn't mention how he knows that tomorrow is the end of the world - they announced that all the python folk have decided to switch to ruby instead |
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| 16:18.47 | cro | More likely that all the ruby folks would go over to Java. |
| 16:19.00 | mgeary | talk about swimming upstream |
| 16:20.27 | itimber2 | haha |
| 16:21.08 | itimber2 | I've been hearing good things about Cold Fusion |
| 16:21.09 | itimber2 | :) |
| 16:21.20 | mgeary | heh. that was my first serverside programming language |
| 16:21.20 | cro | LOL :-D |
| 16:21.27 | mgeary | ColdFusion 3 |
| 16:22.17 | mgeary | sad thing is, there appear to be a lot of government contracts that want you to use CF. I suspect that's because it's technically a J2EE platform |
| 16:22.23 | mgeary | but meh |
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| 16:28.40 | itimber2 | any flex devs in the house? |
| 16:28.46 | mgeary | i dabble |
| 16:29.03 | mgeary | but haven't actually *created* a Flex project myself. I've only ever hacked on projects other people created |
| 16:29.17 | itimber2 | I do dev work for a guy that was asking |
| 16:29.25 | itimber2 | want me to pass your info along? |
| 16:29.43 | mgeary | oh, this is to take on some contract work? |
| 16:30.03 | itimber2 | probably |
| 16:30.05 | influx | itimber2: After that point, would the consumption go down by half? |
| 16:30.13 | mgeary | actually our Flash/Flex capacity is pretty full at the moment. I'm looking for someone myself |
| 16:30.22 | itimber2 | right on |
| 16:30.53 | itimber2 | influxâ¦. I would think it would if you unset() one of the two arrays |
| 16:34.05 | beandog | unset doesn't always reduce memory usage |
| 16:34.33 | beandog | it's a bit freaky that way. |
| 16:38.25 | itimber2 | odd |
| 16:38.29 | itimber2 | and I'm not an expert |
| 16:38.33 | itimber2 | by any means |
| 16:38.44 | itimber2 | just pointing out that it would store that data 2x |
| 16:39.12 | influx | I'd never thought about it, that's all. |
| 16:41.34 | itimber2 | beandog: is there a better way to collect that memory? |
| 16:41.53 | beandog | dunno |
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| 16:57.17 | skinner | $8ball are you a liar? |
| 16:57.17 | raifbot | skinner - Ask again later. |
| 16:57.20 | skinner | HA! |
| 17:02.34 | mgeary | ~seen SunSparc |
| 17:02.45 | ibot | sunsparc <~jonathan@24-104-129.146.hfc.mediarain.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 17h 26m 59s ago, saying: 'Up Up and Away!!!'. |
| 17:02.55 | mgeary | woah |
| 17:03.01 | mgeary | looks like SunSparc got in on the Rapture early |
| 17:03.13 | mgeary | and here i have this Chocolate Müsli for him |
| 17:04.54 | DexterTheDragon | lol |
| 17:12.08 | skinner | $8ball is the rapture tomorrow? |
| 17:12.09 | raifbot | skinner - You may rely on it. |
| 17:12.12 | skinner | heh |
| 17:13.54 | josephscott | $suggest rapture |
| 17:13.55 | raifbot | josephscott suggestions for 'rapture' : rapture, rapture 2011, rapture ready, rapture party, rapture lyrics, rapture index, rapture watch, rapture may 21, rapture definition, raptured |
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| 17:30.08 | itimber2 | Chocolate Müsli vs. Early Rapture |
| 17:30.28 | itimber2 | *considers the options |
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| 17:53.13 | mgeary | i know, right? |
| 17:53.40 | skinner | Wait....the raptor is tomorrow? They can open doors you know.....it was proven in the documentary Jurassic Park.... |
| 17:53.44 | skinner | ....those poor people... |
| 17:53.57 | mgeary | that's why i have round knobs instead of handles |
| 17:55.07 | skinner | I'm going to start practicing my "Clever girl" quote with the proper accent |
| 17:58.58 | Utah_Dave | "Hey, I know this! It's Unix!" |
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| 18:10.13 | macnewbold | she says as she proceeds to "fly" through her directory structure drawn as boxes on the floor |
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| 18:27.13 | mgeary | that part makes my teeth hurt |
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| 18:44.59 | carmony | so how was uphpu? |
| 18:45.57 | josephscott | lots of pizza! |
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| 18:46.25 | carmony | well that is always good :D |
| 18:46.42 | carmony | I missed meeting the infamous wps |
| 18:46.44 | carmony | :P |
| 18:46.58 | beandog | how was the mtg |
| 18:47.14 | beandog | was it full of hope and joy and wonder |
| 18:48.42 | mgeary | any joy? and joyness? |
| 18:48.45 | mgeary | Charleeeeeee |
| 18:49.11 | beandog | ~bridge mgeary |
| 18:49.26 | mgeary | SunSparc: you're back! How was the rapture? |
| 18:49.57 | SunSparc | mgeary: Glorious! |
| 18:50.06 | mgeary | but not good enough to stay? |
| 18:50.18 | SunSparc | Nah, kind of boring. |
| 18:50.22 | mgeary | figures |
| 18:50.47 | mgeary | SunSparc: i have some Choko-Müsli for you |
| 18:50.59 | SunSparc | Woot! |
| 18:51.04 | mgeary | *Shoko |
| 18:51.41 | mgeary | it's interesting. It's milk chocolate, rather than the dark chocolate i usually get. And there's a *lot* of chocolate pieces. It's almost too sweet, but it is tasty. |
| 18:52.49 | beandog | "Yes, let's activate Windows over the Internet now" |
| 18:52.54 | beandog | oy. |
| 18:53.09 | beandog | who writes this stuff |
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| 18:54.15 | SunSparc | beandog: lol |
| 18:54.25 | SunSparc | Obviously not Apple. :) |
| 18:55.29 | beandog | I need lunch. |
| 18:56.40 | SunSparc | mgeary: How can I get some of that goodness from you? |
| 18:56.47 | mgeary | SunSparc: see your PM |
| 18:56.58 | SunSparc | beandog: I was thinking the same. Hmmm... what am I in the mood for... |
| 18:57.15 | beandog | I want a hot dog at costco |
| 18:57.18 | beandog | but I dont have any cash on me. |
| 18:57.45 | macnewbold | ah |
| 18:58.07 | macnewbold | if you're near draper (or want to come see me) i'll give you hot dog monies |
| 18:58.55 | SunSparc | Oooh, hot dog, makes me think of J Dawgs! |
| 19:00.04 | beandog | actually you know what sounds good |
| 19:00.05 | beandog | in n out |
| 19:00.47 | beandog | I loves me their choco shakes |
| 19:01.46 | beandog | the real problem with going to lunch is I have to get up |
| 19:01.48 | beandog | and spend money |
| 19:01.52 | beandog | two major obstacles. |
| 19:02.04 | SunSparc | lol, so true |
| 19:03.20 | beandog | should I call back a recruiter that is basically just spamming me? |
| 19:03.24 | mgeary | SunSparc: you didn't have the Spätzle? |
| 19:03.36 | mgeary | going to Siegfried's and not having the Spätzle is just a shame |
| 19:05.37 | SunSparc | mgeary: I did not, it is true, that stuff is yummy. Now I want to go back. :) I would eat there every day if I lived closerz. |
| 19:05.55 | mgeary | Marianne's was better, back in the day |
| 19:06.15 | beandog | we need an in n out in slc |
| 19:06.33 | SunSparc | beandog: There are no In'N'Out's in SLC? |
| 19:06.42 | beandog | draper, bountiful |
| 19:06.43 | beandog | that's it |
| 19:06.44 | jsmith | beandog: Five Guys is better |
| 19:06.50 | beandog | five guys doesn't have shakes though |
| 19:07.10 | jsmith | beandog: Don't need 'em -- you get filled up on beef that's never been frozen! |
| 19:07.15 | mgeary | beandog: and Orem |
| 19:07.22 | jsmith | beandog: and french fries that are served by the bag |
| 19:07.23 | beandog | pfft. nobody goes to orem |
| 19:07.26 | SunSparc | I never heard of Marianne's. |
| 19:07.41 | mgeary | SunSparc: it was awesome. Shut down prolly 20 years ago, though :( |
| 19:08.01 | SunSparc | mgeary: Shame. :( |
| 19:08.52 | beandog | five guys is too far too |
| 19:09.02 | beandog | meh |
| 19:09.11 | beandog | It's a good day to starve |
| 19:09.33 | SunSparc | ~feed beandog |
| 19:09.33 | ibot | ACTION offers beandog some pizza |
| 19:10.19 | mgeary | you know, i think i could possibly get behind a Jon Huntsman for President scenario... I respect some of Romney's credentials and experience, but he's been too disingenuous in pandering to the extremists in his party. I appreciate the Huntsman is taking a centrist position (at the moment) |
| 19:11.02 | mgeary | however, i still don't think a Mormon could ever get elected |
| 19:11.18 | beandog | Oh ye of little faith |
| 19:11.48 | mgeary | apparently |
| 19:11.56 | beandog | that's why one isn't getting elected. |
| 19:12.02 | beandog | ~blame mgeary |
| 19:12.02 | ibot | ACTION blames mgeary (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:12.02 | fungus | That reminds me. I really want to see http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/ |
| 19:12.08 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:12.20 | mgeary | i want to hear the Fresh Air interview from yesterday on that |
| 19:13.06 | beandog | I gotta figure out what to do for lunch still |
| 19:13.07 | beandog | dangit. |
| 19:13.08 | mgeary | fungus: http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=136142322&m=136436932 |
| 19:13.13 | beandog | so far wasting time on FB isn't helping much. |
| 19:13.30 | jsmith | beandog: Apollo Burger! |
| 19:13.46 | jsmith | beandog: Where are you at? |
| 19:14.01 | beandog | I dunno |
| 19:14.04 | beandog | I think its called Millcreek |
| 19:14.05 | beandog | 84106 |
| 19:15.29 | jsmith | beandog: There's the greek deli on State Street |
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| 19:17.07 | beandog | meh |
| 19:17.21 | beandog | Its so much easier to make a decision when I remember I'm broke. |
| 19:17.48 | beandog | maybe I'll go to DI and look for change in the pants |
| 19:19.16 | beandog | http://www.utahrenfest.com/ |
| 19:21.35 | beandog | http://www.faires.com/EventRecord.php?Id=445 |
| 19:21.40 | beandog | I think tomorrow is the last weekend |
| 19:21.41 | beandog | gotta go |
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| 19:26.24 | beandog | http://www.flickr.com/photos/rvanbree/5697478029/ |
| 19:27.42 | beandog | I wonder if they have jousts. |
| 19:28.38 | beandog | yahp they do |
| 19:28.39 | beandog | woots |
| 19:32.45 | beandog | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqPowg3xZo&feature=player_embedded#at=52 |
| 19:32.47 | beandog | best. show. evar. |
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| 19:33.52 | influx | ARARARAR |
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| 20:03.40 | josephscott | $suggest cow |
| 20:03.41 | raifbot | josephscott suggestions for 'cow' : cowboys stadium, cowtown marathon, cowboy chicken, cowboys, cowboy chow, cowboys red river, cowboys stadium tours, cowboys arlington, cowboy boots, cowboys and aliens |
| 20:03.44 | influx | meow |
| 20:03.47 | influx | $suggest cat |
| 20:03.47 | raifbot | influx suggestions for 'cat' : cato, cats, catfish, caterpillar, cat daddy, catherines, catch 22, catholic, catfish movie, cathay pacific |
| 20:04.02 | skinner | $suggest suggest |
| 20:04.02 | raifbot | skinner suggestions for 'suggest' : suggest, suggestions, suggestion box, suggestion boxes, suggestive, suggested, suggest synonym, suggestibility, suggestopedia, suggest to friends |
| 20:04.04 | mgeary | $suggest a movie |
| 20:04.05 | raifbot | mgeary suggestions for 'a movie' : a movie script ending lyrics, a movie, a movie called the fence, a movie bruce conner, a movie a day, a movie script, a movie review, a movie in your mind, a movie script ending tab, a movie 1958 |
| 20:04.22 | mgeary | raifbot: you're a sucky movie suggester |
| 20:04.47 | josephscott | haha, it is suggestions based on the terms, not a specific question |
| 20:04.50 | skinner | and he lies |
| 20:04.59 | skinner | $8ball your a liar right? |
| 20:04.59 | raifbot | skinner - Yes. |
| 20:05.01 | skinner | HA! |
| 20:05.08 | josephscott | blame it on google, they supply the suggestions ;-) |
| 20:07.22 | mgeary | ~skinner google |
| 20:07.22 | ibot | ACTION buries google in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 20:07.59 | skinner | lol |
| 20:08.26 | skinner | When will the rapture happen? |
| 20:08.29 | skinner | You'll hear it first...like the sound of a giant waterfall, they say... |
| 20:08.39 | skinner | ~skinner rapture |
| 20:08.39 | ibot | ACTION buries rapture in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 20:23.18 | influx | $suggest who to lart |
| 20:23.18 | raifbot | influx sorry, couldn't find any suggestions |
| 20:24.23 | skinner | lol |
| 20:28.06 | macnewbold | $suggest chuck norris |
| 20:28.06 | raifbot | macnewbold suggestions for 'chuck norris' : chuck norris, chuck norris jokes, chuck norris facts, chuck norris google, chuck norris wiki, chuck norris biography, chuck norris imdb, chuck norrisisms, chuck norris dead, chuck norris games |
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| 20:48.21 | beandog | $8ball should I bother working the rest of the day |
| 20:48.21 | raifbot | beandog - Yes. |
| 20:48.23 | beandog | dangit. |
| 20:50.17 | skinner | $8ball should I go to my meeting in 10 minutes? |
| 20:50.17 | raifbot | skinner - Signs point to yes. |
| 20:50.37 | skinner | $8ball can I go home after the meeting? |
| 20:50.38 | raifbot | skinner - Reply hazy, try again. |
| 20:50.48 | beandog | $8ball can I lart someone |
| 20:50.48 | raifbot | beandog - Yes. |
| 20:50.51 | beandog | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 20:50.51 | ibot | does a little 'renice 20 -u DexterTheDragon' |
| 20:50.53 | skinner | $8ball can I just go home after the meeting? |
| 20:50.54 | raifbot | skinner - It is decidedly so. |
| 20:50.57 | skinner | woot |
| 20:51.06 | DexterTheDragon | ~dtdhit beandog |
| 20:51.06 | ibot | ACTION stikes at beandog with the fire of the cat seizure knocks out beandog and injures pelaofeliz! |
| 20:51.12 | beandog | buh |
| 20:51.26 | beandog | we need a good friday afternoon argument |
| 20:51.30 | beandog | keep things alive in here. |
| 20:51.51 | skinner | It's not wet outside |
| 20:52.02 | beandog | I can see the sky! |
| 20:53.34 | beandog | my brain isn't coming up with anything. |
| 20:54.20 | fungus | Rapture tomorrow... Go! |
| 20:54.26 | beandog | I'll just read some Calvin and Hobbes |
| 20:55.01 | beandog | fungus: meh, thats a boring topic |
| 20:55.15 | beandog | hardly controversial |
| 20:56.32 | beandog | hey fungus |
| 20:56.35 | beandog | you wanna help me with some openvpn? :D |
| 20:57.09 | fungus | If it's openvpn specific i'm quite weak. But if it's routing, sure. |
| 20:57.30 | beandog | Well I just remembered I locked myself out of my box, anyway |
| 20:57.58 | beandog | Is there some way I could setup an openvpn test environment where I have two completely different subnets connecting to each other? |
| 20:58.01 | beandog | how would I do that |
| 20:58.02 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: are you even not locked out? |
| 20:58.11 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: whut? |
| 20:58.13 | DexterTheDragon | s/even/ever/ |
| 20:58.23 | beandog | DexterTheDragon: only when I'm physcially present |
| 20:58.37 | beandog | I really should make it standard procedure to run two ssh daemons or something |
| 20:59.08 | beandog | or just not tinker with my network. |
| 20:59.13 | fungus | or just make sure you are onsite for dangerous changes |
| 21:00.46 | fungus | you can do nearly anything with OpenVPN in terms of routing. |
| 21:01.21 | beandog | well I dont see how i can really test it if I'm on the same subnet I need to test it from |
| 21:01.27 | beandog | er |
| 21:01.32 | beandog | that didn't make any sense. |
| 21:01.39 | beandog | how do I test a VPN setup if I'm already on the target subnet |
| 21:01.42 | beandog | that's better worded. |
| 21:02.19 | fungus | Unless you are using a Bridged (tap) setup in openvpn, sure you can do that. |
| 21:02.29 | beandog | yah Im using tun |
| 21:02.31 | beandog | which is |
| 21:02.32 | beandog | uh |
| 21:02.33 | beandog | routed? |
| 21:02.36 | fungus | It'd work the same way it worked for you at home. |
| 21:03.02 | fungus | Unless openvpn is on the same machine as your NAT gateway, then it could be weird. |
| 21:03.16 | fungus | right, tun is routed. tap is bridged |
| 21:03.29 | beandog | what does routed mean anyway |
| 21:03.31 | beandog | I understand bridge |
| 21:03.34 | beandog | *bridged |
| 21:03.56 | fungus | it means your VPN clients are on a separate subnet from your LAN, and that subnet is routed to the LAN |
| 21:04.37 | beandog | Why would you use a bridged one then? |
| 21:04.54 | fungus | They can be simpler sometimes |
| 21:05.00 | beandog | I mean, what's the difference |
| 21:05.05 | beandog | aren't you on the same subnet either way? |
| 21:05.11 | fungus | nope |
| 21:05.15 | beandog | Ugh. |
| 21:05.20 | beandog | I'm confused. |
| 21:05.26 | beandog | What would the difference be between the two then? |
| 21:05.28 | fungus | VPN clients are on a separate subnet from your LAN, and that subnet is routed to the LAN |
| 21:05.35 | beandog | Oh |
| 21:05.39 | beandog | well thats weird. |
| 21:05.45 | beandog | Oh, wait |
| 21:05.46 | beandog | Hold on |
| 21:05.50 | beandog | brain ... processing |
| 21:06.14 | fungus | traffic between the subnets must pass through a gateway(router) |
| 21:06.24 | beandog | fungus: does th at mean if I did routed I'd need to make sure my firewall accepts traffic from that secondary subnet that openvpn creates? |
| 21:06.26 | fungus | in the openvpn scenario, openvpn is the gateway |
| 21:06.41 | fungus | yes, that is correct |
| 21:06.58 | beandog | huh |
| 21:07.03 | beandog | well *that* might explain a few things ...... |
| 21:07.06 | fungus | That is why routed is a little harder to setup |
| 21:07.49 | beandog | fungus: because you need to make exceptions for a second subnet that magically appears randomly? |
| 21:08.22 | fungus | and your default gateway for the LAN subnet, needs to know where to send the traffic for your openvpn subnet |
| 21:09.25 | fungus | You can avoid a lot of configuration steps if openvpn is the same device as your default gateway. |
| 21:09.39 | fungus | But that is not always desirable. |
| 21:09.48 | beandog | fungus: well thats how it is right now |
| 21:09.52 | beandog | Im running IPFire on a box |
| 21:10.08 | beandog | however, i still have iptables running on boxes on the LAN |
| 21:10.14 | beandog | and they only accept stuff from the same subnet |
| 21:10.18 | beandog | which may explain why it wasnt working ... |
| 21:10.23 | fungus | yup |
| 21:10.35 | beandog | Lemme go see if I can fix that then |
| 21:13.03 | fungus | Does anyone really use Evolution for mail? |
| 21:14.28 | beandog | gosh, no, I can't stand that app |
| 21:14.52 | beandog | fungus: okay, so ... I still don't know a good way to test my VPN if I'm only connecting locally. |
| 21:15.02 | beandog | er, I'm on the same subnet, and behind the gateway |
| 21:15.41 | fungus | It will override your local route with a route over the tunnel |
| 21:15.55 | fungus | compare routing tables before and after VPN connection |
| 21:16.01 | beandog | how do I check them in OSX |
| 21:16.03 | beandog | is the question. |
| 21:16.07 | fungus | same as linux |
| 21:16.10 | fungus | same as bsd |
| 21:16.15 | fungus | same as windows |
| 21:16.16 | beandog | route -n doesn't work |
| 21:16.18 | fungus | netstat -r |
| 21:16.27 | beandog | oh, that one. |
| 21:16.37 | fungus | it works everywhere |
| 21:16.51 | beandog | google agrees with you |
| 21:19.12 | beandog | Well I can still see services even though iptables is setup to only accept it from 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 21:19.17 | beandog | shouldn't I *not* be seeing them? |
| 21:19.49 | beandog | man, I'm confused. |
| 21:19.50 | beandog | o.O |
| 21:20.08 | skinner | ~skinner beandog's confusion |
| 21:20.08 | ibot | ACTION buries beandog's confusion in a giant waterfall... WHOOOOSH! |
| 21:20.19 | beandog | heh |
| 21:22.40 | beandog | I need a remote connection to test this with. |
| 21:22.40 | beandog | :T |
| 21:28.38 | fungus | beandog, jack into the public network. |
| 21:28.48 | beandog | oh yah! |
| 21:28.50 | beandog | DUH |
| 21:29.03 | beandog | wait |
| 21:29.05 | beandog | would that work? |
| 21:29.14 | fungus | of course it would |
| 21:33.34 | beandog | oh my gosh fungus I love you |
| 21:33.45 | beandog | can I date your daughter? |
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| 21:35.51 | DexterTheDragon | ~creepy beandog |
| 21:36.02 | beandog | :) |
| 21:42.48 | carmony | man, it is friday, huh? |
| 21:45.27 | DexterTheDragon | tomorrow is saturday |
| 21:47.11 | beandog | ~lart DexterTheDragon |
| 21:47.11 | ibot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down DexterTheDragon's throat until DexterTheDragon puts on 150lbs |
| 21:47.23 | beandog | they say that as if that's a bad thing |
| 21:47.29 | skinner | lol |
| 21:48.13 | beandog | Okay looks like I'll need to use tap if I want to use multicast for avahi anyway |
| 21:48.14 | beandog | le sigh. |
| 21:48.29 | beandog | or I could just tell our users tough noogies. |
| 21:48.39 | beandog | I wonder which one will go over better. |
| 21:50.12 | beandog | actually if I could get DNS working that'd probably be okay |
| 22:04.17 | skinner | $lart the itch inside the shoe of Skinner's left foot |
| 22:04.17 | raifbot | pours gasoline all over the itch inside the shoe of Skinner's left foot, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze. |
| 22:04.40 | skinner | aaaaaahhh, that's better |
| 22:04.57 | skinner | albeit a little warm than I had hoped for |
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| 22:16.28 | beandog | maybe its a tumor |
| 22:25.05 | SunSparc | It's not a tumor. |
| 22:26.46 | influx | maybe its a tumor |
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| 22:35.21 | macnewbold | i've got a tumor. |
| 22:35.29 | macnewbold | so you guys aren't very funny. |
| 22:37.39 | macnewbold | j/k i really don't, but i can see how some people might not find it as amusing as it is intended. |
| 22:37.45 | macnewbold | howdy TuxToaster - how are things? |
| 22:38.02 | TuxToaster | heya :-) |
| 22:38.23 | TuxToaster | just got back from the Bahamas last night. |
| 22:38.30 | macnewbold | oh nice |
| 22:40.10 | TuxToaster | $chuck-fact |
| 22:40.11 | raifbot | Chuck Norris does simply walk into Mordor |
| 22:40.14 | TuxToaster | lol |
| 22:43.36 | beandog | lol |
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| 22:47.28 | TuxToaster | this is one of those videos that I'm sure you have all seen at some point, but if not... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E |
| 22:47.36 | TuxToaster | the drummer is awesome |
| 22:53.42 | macnewbold | wow, that's insane |
| 22:59.08 | TuxToaster | yup |
| 22:59.42 | TuxToaster | there's a couple of others of them doing Wipeout and a few other songs too, but the guy is crazy. |
| 22:59.50 | SunSparc | My brother just told me this one: If you stare at the American flag long enough, a 3D image of Chuck Norris appears. |
| 22:59.56 | TuxToaster | LOL |
| 23:23.33 | SunSparc | Good bye and good night. See you boys on the other side of rapture... |