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| 00:58.59 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity - here is a training video i think you should see |
| 00:59.00 | mindjuju | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3QdGljaxsY |
| 00:59.35 | DexterTheDragon | sup mindjuju |
| 01:00.01 | mindjuju | dexterthedragon |
| 01:00.05 | mindjuju | you should watch the video too |
| 01:00.09 | mindjuju | could give ya some pointers |
| 01:00.56 | DexterTheDragon | heh |
| 01:03.24 | mindjuju | it also has a part in the vid about connecting to servers |
| 01:03.58 | DexterTheDragon | like manually :) |
| 01:04.59 | mindjuju | k, time to head home, i need to finish some promo for UTOS, UPHPU meeting vids, and some contract stuff... sigh... |
| 01:05.13 | DexterTheDragon | ~busy mindjuju |
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| 03:26.14 | beandog | heya |
| 03:26.36 | beandog | big lots sells lots of dvds |
| 03:26.39 | beandog | for $3 |
| 03:33.02 | DexterTheDragon | good dvds? |
| 03:49.33 | beandog | not really |
| 03:49.38 | DexterTheDragon | rofl |
| 03:49.56 | beandog | :) |
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| 14:49.28 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 14:49.29 | ibot | teaches _carmony the basics, including how to RTM |
| 14:50.13 | _carmony | aw |
| 14:50.17 | _carmony | ~rlart |
| 14:50.18 | ibot | gives dezertol a good seeing to |
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| 15:21.34 | DexterTheDragon | ~rlart |
| 15:21.35 | ibot | does a little 'dpkg -P utahcon' action |
| 15:24.08 | _carmony | ................................................... |
| 15:24.13 | _carmony | this library.... |
| 15:24.16 | _carmony | uses $_REQUEST |
| 15:24.18 | _carmony | ARG!!!!!!!! |
| 15:25.11 | beandog | is that bad? |
| 15:25.42 | _carmony | Well, its considered bad practice |
| 15:25.43 | _carmony | because it will take a GET or POST value |
| 15:25.48 | beandog | well, yah |
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| 15:25.51 | beandog | its sometimes lazy |
| 15:25.55 | _carmony | makes it easier for people hack at your code |
| 15:25.58 | beandog | how? |
| 15:26.13 | beandog | I wouldnt really agree with that |
| 15:26.33 | beandog | I always use import_request_variables('gp') after setting the ones I specifically need, so they don't get overwritten |
| 15:26.41 | _carmony | yeah |
| 15:26.47 | beandog | anyway |
| 15:26.47 | _carmony | but lets say a login request |
| 15:26.51 | beandog | yah, it's lazy. |
| 15:26.55 | _carmony | goes to /login.php |
| 15:27.23 | _carmony | I could very easily setup a bot to spam /login.php?user=justin&pass=passw0rd |
| 15:27.32 | _carmony | and comb through a dictionary attack |
| 15:28.00 | beandog | yah |
| 15:28.04 | beandog | post isn't any harder, though |
| 15:28.12 | beandog | just use curl, wget, whatever |
| 15:28.30 | _carmony | true, but lets say one part of your code uses $_POST and another uses $_REQUEST. |
| 15:28.37 | _carmony | in theory you could pass two different values |
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| 15:29.03 | beandog | Hmm |
| 15:29.14 | beandog | I wonder which one would get overwritten if you had GET and POST |
| 15:29.20 | beandog | probably GET |
| 15:29.23 | beandog | I think the order is gpc |
| 15:29.26 | beandog | get, post, cookie |
| 15:29.27 | DexterTheDragon | it usually goes GPC |
| 15:29.31 | _carmony | yeah |
| 15:29.32 | beandog | yah |
| 15:29.50 | _carmony | so as a habit I avoid REQUEST |
| 15:29.53 | _carmony | besides |
| 15:29.58 | _carmony | $_POST is shorter to type :P |
| 15:30.07 | DexterTheDragon | I avoid it, but its useful sometimes |
| 15:30.09 | beandog | I hate typing either of them |
| 15:30.14 | beandog | import_request_variables > * |
| 15:31.40 | beandog | anyway |
| 15:31.43 | beandog | is bad. |
| 15:32.11 | SunSparc | $_POST['beandog'] |
| 15:32.29 | DexterTheDragon | not bad, just has a very specific purpose |
| 15:32.43 | _carmony | ah, thats a good way to put it DexterTheDragon |
| 15:32.57 | _carmony | same with goto... ;) |
| 15:33.13 | DexterTheDragon | exactly |
| 15:33.26 | DexterTheDragon | goto has a purpose in languages without functions |
| 15:34.03 | orsonj | heh |
| 15:34.57 | orsonj | other people use throw instead of goto. I doesn't sound as BASICy |
| 15:36.48 | SunSparc | I use goto in English. Son, goto your room! |
| 15:44.05 | thebigdog | now that is sick and wrong |
| 15:46.16 | _carmony | The good thing is the project is a data migration tool to move an old .NET project to PHP / MySQL :P |
| 15:48.08 | _carmony | I just haven't touched .NET for, oh, a year and a half |
| 15:49.06 | SunSparc | Congrats. |
| 15:49.08 | SunSparc | ;) |
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| 15:57.18 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:58.31 | SunSparc | ~lart ibot |
| 15:58.31 | ibot | offers sunsparc some herring |
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| 16:09.49 | mgeary | for the record, raw Mackerel is much nicer, imo |
| 16:24.50 | SunSparc | Ooohh, Red Snapper, very tasty. |
| 16:27.28 | unum | take the fish!! |
| 16:27.44 | SunSparc | heh |
| 16:28.07 | SunSparc | But there might be something amazing in the box! |
| 16:28.33 | unum | but as amazing as a Red Snapper? |
| 16:28.40 | SunSparc | Good point |
| 16:28.55 | DexterTheDragon | you so stuuuupid |
| 16:29.11 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 16:38.08 | romanovic | haha |
| 16:39.04 | _carmony | ~lart tristanbob__ |
| 16:39.04 | ibot | hits tristanbob__ with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
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| 16:44.41 | _carmony | ~apb herlo |
| 16:44.42 | ibot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to spray mace at herlo |
| 16:51.52 | mindjuju | i hate needles |
| 16:52.15 | mindjuju | well, not so much needles, but the tape they put on the cotton ball to seal the puncture |
| 16:52.22 | mindjuju | that's what I really hate, needles not so much |
| 16:52.55 | SunSparc | Sooo, you hate tape. |
| 16:53.10 | mindjuju | tape on my arm |
| 16:53.19 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:53.38 | mindjuju | it hurts worse to pull the tape off than the darn needle |
| 16:58.39 | SunSparc | ~tape mindjuju |
| 17:05.17 | mindjuju | ha, I found if i pull on the tape gently with one hand and cut hair with scissors in teh other, it reduces the pain factor by 90%! |
| 17:06.55 | mindjuju | the onlything worse than that is playing odds or evens |
| 17:08.02 | herlo | _carmony: pong |
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| 17:25.35 | utahcon | whoa! Microsoft does it again... more code released under GPL. http://sn.im/nnt32 this time for Moodle |
| 17:26.44 | DexterTheDragon | welcome to the future, where open source is winning |
| 17:27.23 | utahcon | granted... that again this is to better position their own products with other services, but still... |
| 17:27.47 | DexterTheDragon | not really anything wrong with that |
| 17:28.06 | _carmony | I think propriatary code has its place, but I think the ammount of OSS vs Propriatary is going to conintue to favor OSS in the future |
| 17:28.15 | DexterTheDragon | I wish other companies (read hardware manufacturers) would better position their products |
| 17:28.38 | utahcon | DexterTheDragon: couldn't agree more |
| 17:28.58 | utahcon | Most hardware is so basic there is no need to keep it proprietary. |
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| 17:30.41 | DexterTheDragon | on another note, I got an invite for Jolicloud. w00t! |
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| 17:39.28 | thebigdog | DexterTheDragon: let me know how you like it |
| 17:39.29 | thebigdog | i got a netbook waiting for me to try it out but have not got my invite yet |
| 17:46.51 | mindjuju | will it let you use your regular cell phone service if your not at a wifi spot? |
| 17:47.46 | DexterTheDragon | probably if you can tether |
| 17:48.10 | DexterTheDragon | it seems to be running ubuntu netbook remix underneath it, but can't be sure on that till I install it |
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| 17:49.14 | SunSparc | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Death-by-Delete.aspx |
| 17:49.32 | SunSparc | Holy cow, I would hate to have been that developer that had the oops moment. |
| 17:53.16 | beandog | holy crap |
| 17:53.41 | beandog | I wonder if they had a fire sale on gold fish |
| 17:55.14 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 17:55.39 | beandog | thats one thing Ive learned recently |
| 17:55.45 | beandog | always do a backup before running a major delete command |
| 17:56.52 | SunSparc | One thing someone taught me, always run the query as a select before you run it as a delete. |
| 17:57.00 | SunSparc | Always |
| 17:57.15 | SunSparc | Without exception |
| 17:57.23 | SunSparc | Then you KNOW what will happen with the delete. |
| 17:57.35 | SunSparc | No assumptions. |
| 17:57.49 | SunSparc | Especially when your system is not backed up. |
| 17:58.05 | mgeary | ~rce |
| 17:58.06 | ibot | from memory, rce is Resume-Changing Experience: an event caused by such boneheadedness that the only good that comes of it is the opportunity to freshen up your resume as you abandon all hope of keeping your current job |
| 17:58.57 | SunSparc | Bingo |
| 17:59.12 | _carmony | SunSparc, that article just made me sick to my stomach |
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| 18:18.02 | DexterTheDragon | utahcon: http://press.redhat.com/2009/07/21/red-hat-welcomes-microsofts-kernel-contribution/ |
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| 18:20.51 | mindjuju | thx for the link DexterTheDragon - as a linux noob, it's hard to know where all the pieces fit |
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| 19:03.07 | nathandelane | In ASP.NET MVC, Perl CGI and RubCGI, there is a notion of HTML Helpers or Writers, that write out HTML text based on object attributes and innertext...what is there that is similar in PHP? |
| 19:03.55 | DexterTheDragon | depends on what framework your using probably |
| 19:04.26 | brasto | hey guys, I don't know if you've heard the news yet, but my wife passed away on Sunday. http://flfn.org/blog/brasto/julie-stout-free http://flfn.org/blog/brasto/julies-obituary |
| 19:04.46 | brasto | note that there are 2 links there... |
| 19:04.55 | brasto | put them a little too close together. |
| 19:04.56 | DexterTheDragon | sorry to hear that brasto |
| 19:05.33 | brasto | thank you DexterTheDragon. It's been a long road, but it will seem a short one as time keeps going. |
| 19:07.21 | beandog | http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/index.php?comicID=280 |
| 19:07.22 | beandog | lol |
| 19:07.40 | beandog | brasto, whot! wow, sorry man :( |
| 19:08.14 | nathandelane | DexterTheDragon, I'm not using a framework, and I don't intend to, is there anything native? |
| 19:08.37 | DexterTheDragon | not that i know of |
| 19:09.13 | nathandelane | Alright thanks |
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| 19:13.05 | beandog | brasto, good writeups |
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| 19:16.13 | SunSparc | brasto: I am sorry for your loss. |
| 19:16.54 | brasto | thank you beandog and SunSparc |
| 19:17.24 | SunSparc | brasto: Can we have you and your family over for dinner? Or bring it to you? |
| 19:17.28 | brasto | SunSparc: I still have the chat tab up from when you wanted to chat a few days ago :) |
| 19:18.21 | brasto | SunSparc: that would be fun either way. I'll need to talk to my mom about it since she knows who's bringing us dinners and such. |
| 19:19.40 | SunSparc | Ok |
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| 19:54.31 | mgeary | brasto: our thoughts here are with you and your wife as well |
| 19:54.55 | brasto | thank you mgeary |
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| 20:09.17 | macnewbold | w00t! just had another server join the "1000+ Days of Uptime" club... |
| 20:09.35 | macnewbold | and another one will join it tomorrow |
| 20:17.38 | SunSparc | I bet almost be willing to bet money that a Windows server would never appear on that list. |
| 20:37.00 | thebigdog | i have a windows box that just made 7 days |
| 20:37.12 | thebigdog | i might have another one coming up on that too |
| 20:39.10 | beandog | I have a rash that's going on 90 days uptime. |
| 20:47.02 | unum | beandog: I told you not to go home with her |
| 20:47.46 | beandog | well the plus side is now I have a friend that follows me everywhere |
| 20:55.26 | SunSparc | ~wash beandog |
| 20:55.27 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on beandog and says "That was for the smell" |
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| 20:59.40 | thebigdog | ~fart beandog |
| 20:59.41 | ibot | ACTION farts in beandog's general direction |
| 21:01.01 | beandog | doh |
| 21:07.02 | mindjuju | anybody here work with google analytics? |
| 21:12.44 | SunSparc | It is on sites I help make. Not that I really do anything with it, other than copy and paste the code into the footer of a site. |
| 21:13.56 | romanovic | yeah i recently added google analytics to a site |
| 21:13.58 | mindjuju | yeah, pasting the code s the easy part, now need to leverage the offerings |
| 21:14.32 | romanovic | however, it is an educational site, no ecommerce or advertising |
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| 21:22.30 | thebigdog | mindjuju: i have |
| 21:23.03 | thebigdog | mgeary: i was kinda disappointed in up |
| 21:23.13 | mindjuju | i thought it was good |
| 21:23.15 | thebigdog | i thought it would have been funnier |
| 21:23.22 | thebigdog | twas ok |
| 21:23.24 | mindjuju | yeah it's got some sad stuff |
| 21:24.17 | mindjuju | luckily i read a review that gave some details about the movie and was able to prep my wife for it (her mom passed away a few years ago) |
| 21:29.10 | mindjuju | there is a cool little dell netbook i was kinda thinking about gettnig |
| 21:29.10 | mindjuju | mainly cause it would work with my verizon |
| 21:31.23 | beandog | thebigdog, me too |
| 21:31.47 | beandog | thebigdog, but it was better than I thought it'd be, story wise. |
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| 22:22.22 | beandog | is there some way in mysql client to kill a query |
| 22:22.33 | beandog | like, not one its processing |
| 22:22.39 | beandog | but one you jacked up |
| 22:22.43 | beandog | hitting ctl c drops me out |
| 22:22.50 | beandog | oh |
| 22:22.51 | beandog | \c |
| 22:25.29 | DexterTheDragon | beandog: SHOW PROCESSLIST |
| 22:25.38 | beandog | yah, not a process |
| 22:25.44 | beandog | just a badly written query youc an't escape out of |
| 22:25.57 | beandog | in psql you hit ctl c and it clears it completely |
| 22:25.58 | beandog | very nice. |
| 22:26.03 | beandog | mysql just dumps you out |
| 22:26.05 | DexterTheDragon | that will show the queries |
| 22:26.11 | beandog | yah, |
| 22:26.14 | beandog | thats not the problem. |
| 22:26.15 | beandog | -_- |
| 22:26.18 | DexterTheDragon | then just KILL #; |
| 22:26.25 | beandog | meh, n/m |
| 22:26.48 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, its similar to accidentally escaping something in bash, and it's expecting more input |
| 22:27.00 | DexterTheDragon | ah |
| 22:27.19 | DexterTheDragon | yeah I don't know how to do that |
| 22:27.21 | DexterTheDragon | wish I knew |
| 22:27.35 | beandog | DexterTheDragon, \c |
| 22:27.52 | DexterTheDragon | will have to remember |
| 22:27.56 | SunSparc | sudo kill -9 init |
| 22:29.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:29.27 | beandog | ~init SunSparc |
| 22:29.35 | SunSparc | Sweet! |
| 22:35.04 | thebigdog | ok i got a cool hulu show |
| 22:36.23 | thebigdog | http://www.hulu.com/ctrl |
| 22:36.35 | thebigdog | that is a cool web show |
| 22:37.49 | romanovic | thebigdog, how many are there now? i've only seen the first |
| 22:38.39 | mindjuju | @thebigdog - the IT Crowd is awesome |
| 22:39.30 | romanovic | team! team, team, team, team, team! |
| 22:39.53 | romanovic | there's no room for people who can't work as a team, on my team |
| 22:39.54 | mindjuju | :) |
| 22:39.54 | mindjuju | ^5 romanovic |
| 22:53.52 | thebigdog | there are like 4 |
| 22:58.28 | mindjuju | thebeandog, those are pretty good |
| 22:58.41 | mindjuju | only like 5 minutes for each episode |
| 22:59.03 | mindjuju | oops,k mean thebigdog |
| 22:59.32 | DexterTheDragon | thebeandog hehe |
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| 23:16.29 | thebigdog | i just dont remember where the lady is from...what other shows |
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| 23:19.35 | SunSparc | Meow! |
| 23:19.36 | SunSparc | ./quit |
| 23:19.40 | SunSparc | heh |
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