| 00:01.08 | brasto | hey, I'm a Linux Geek... I can do that... |
| 00:01.16 | brasto | s/Lagoon/Disney World/g |
| 00:01.39 | beandog | you forgot to escape the space |
| 00:01.41 | beandog | geek fail! |
| 00:02.14 | herlo | beandog: it's not required |
| 00:02.19 | herlo | as long as he does this |
| 00:02.41 | herlo | sed -i 's/Lagoon/Disney World/g' Allfunthings.txt |
| 00:04.11 | beandog | herlo, its not? |
| 00:04.13 | beandog | I hate sed. |
| 00:04.14 | beandog | I avoid it. |
| 00:04.32 | beandog | or at least, avoid learning it. |
| 00:06.17 | beandog | ooh |
| 00:06.22 | beandog | I just realized I can do 5n in vim |
| 00:06.23 | beandog | \o/ |
| 00:06.37 | beandog | I dont know why I never thought of that. |
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| 04:51.10 | supernovia | does anyone else ever forget to breathe if theyre concentrating too much? |
| 04:52.17 | supernovia | it's like the breathing background process is just taking up too many resources |
| 04:52.27 | supernovia | hehe |
| 04:52.57 | mindjuju | :) |
| 04:53.17 | supernovia | I get that way when I've got a nasty bout of asthma especially. |
| 04:53.59 | supernovia | how you been mindjuju? |
| 04:54.07 | mindjuju | good, busy but good |
| 04:54.09 | mindjuju | u? |
| 04:54.16 | supernovia | really busy |
| 04:54.25 | supernovia | and the asthma sorta sucks. But I'm happy |
| 04:54.35 | mindjuju | glad to hear that |
| 04:55.17 | supernovia | starting school full time tomorrow |
| 04:55.29 | mindjuju | are you really? |
| 04:55.31 | mindjuju | that's awesome! |
| 04:55.37 | mindjuju | where ar eyou going? |
| 04:55.40 | supernovia | Yup! I haven't been for 10 years :-/ |
| 04:56.21 | mindjuju | CS degree? |
| 04:56.23 | supernovia | just UVU. This first semester will be busy (16 credits plus 3 hours in a scholarship program class that don't count as credits) but they're all super easy classes. |
| 04:56.49 | supernovia | Probably an integrated studies degree really with some mix of cs, gd, marketing, and education |
| 04:57.00 | mindjuju | way cool! |
| 04:57.12 | supernovia | Yeah I'm excited. |
| 04:57.34 | supernovia | Wishing the pell grant system weren't looking at my 2007 taxes since alot has changed in the last 2 years, but whatever. |
| 04:58.03 | supernovia | I'm making it happen anyway :) |
| 04:58.10 | mindjuju | that's good to konw, i was thinking of applying, but it prolly won't be for another year or two |
| 04:58.33 | supernovia | Well, this semester I'm mostly doing tv / internet courses |
| 04:58.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even think I filed my 2007 taxes. Which is dumb 'cause that was the "Everyone gets money courtesy of Georgie" year. |
| 04:58.54 | supernovia | the super easy kind where you just have to pass a test. It should go well. |
| 04:59.07 | supernovia | hehe, do'h Lone_Wanderer |
| 04:59.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I keep wondering if it's possible to file them still. |
| 04:59.20 | Lone_Wanderer | And get the money. |
| 04:59.29 | supernovia | Good question |
| 04:59.31 | mindjuju | you can actually file for it while filing for this year return |
| 04:59.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Already filed this year's. |
| 04:59.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Back in like, February. |
| 04:59.49 | supernovia | I do know if you file your return this year and do it late, if you're getting a return you'd still get it |
| 05:00.13 | supernovia | so as long as you know you're owed a return it certainly wouldn't hurt to back file right? |
| 05:00.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Can you file for any year? |
| 05:01.01 | supernovia | let's see |
| 05:01.11 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - carmony's wife is CPA |
| 05:01.15 | mindjuju | i think she might know |
| 05:01.19 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 05:01.32 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'm watching SG-1 and I keep wondering |
| 05:01.42 | Lone_Wanderer | why is Earth the only planet where the stargate is a secret? |
| 05:01.55 | supernovia | I had lots of questions on SG-1 |
| 05:02.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone else has it just sitting out there, hanging out, with people farming or something right next to it. |
| 05:02.32 | supernovia | I was a kid when I first watched it and the main character guy reminded me of the guy on Saturday's Warrior |
| 05:03.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember Saturday's Warrior. |
| 05:03.26 | supernovia | (is he the same guy? checking..) |
| 05:04.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I should be sleeping. Why am I watching more SG-1? |
| 05:04.43 | mindjuju | i'm watching LOTR Return of the King, remoted to work computer and runnign a VM testing a function |
| 05:04.47 | mindjuju | it's a busy night |
| 05:04.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Busy for your computer anyway :) |
| 05:05.23 | supernovia | oooh I want to watch that whole series in the star-ceiling room |
| 05:05.35 | mindjuju | would be cool |
| 05:05.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah it would be. |
| 05:06.02 | supernovia | only I don't think i'll be able to before I have to sell the place :-( |
| 05:06.25 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the star-ceiling room? |
| 05:06.30 | supernovia | with school and what not ya know. I guess I'll get to watch my ethics 1050 class in there and that'll have to do |
| 05:06.33 | supernovia | it's in my basement |
| 05:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 05:06.39 | supernovia | just finished it recently |
| 05:11.50 | mindjuju | that lady kicks butt in LOTR 3 |
| 05:12.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Eowyn? |
| 05:12.09 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 05:12.17 | mindjuju | didn't know how to spell hername |
| 05:12.18 | Lone_Wanderer | She's also gorgeous. |
| 05:13.22 | mindjuju | well, she's no slave leia, but... |
| 05:13.24 | mindjuju | jk |
| 05:13.56 | mindjuju | course, slave leia never killed no Nozgul (sp) |
| 05:14.00 | supernovia | I think she's pretty cool. |
| 05:14.34 | supernovia | Nazgûl even. They did such a good job portraying the baddies in those movies |
| 05:15.26 | mindjuju | true that |
| 05:15.31 | supernovia | I used to sit around with my brothers and sister discussing who we thought should be in a LOTR movie (back in the day before these were announced) and when we found out they were making a movie, I was a bit worried that someone would ruin it |
| 05:15.36 | supernovia | but they did a really great job I think |
| 05:15.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I think they did. |
| 05:16.08 | supernovia | josephscott: now I wanna disco |
| 05:16.17 | mindjuju | was kinda mad about the academy awards, obviously rigged that LOTR didn't win sooner and more |
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| 05:16.48 | supernovia | meh, I couldn't care less about the academy. they're always rigged |
| 05:17.00 | josephscott | supernovia: took some tracking but figured out where a bad/useless SQL query was getting generated |
| 05:17.39 | supernovia | good job :-) always a nice feeling to finally have a bug squashed :) |
| 05:17.53 | supernovia | kinda like pulling up a big nasty morning glory and getting the whole root. :) |
| 05:19.24 | supernovia | my experience w. hollywood - some bum told my coworker he needed to give me a credit card so I could buy myself some makeup |
| 05:19.51 | mindjuju | wait, what happened with make up? |
| 05:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | supernovia: are you female? |
| 05:19.53 | supernovia | i've fairly ignored the whole lot of them ever since :-p |
| 05:20.00 | mindjuju | yeah, she is |
| 05:20.05 | mindjuju | novia = girlfriend |
| 05:20.09 | Lone_Wanderer | yours? |
| 05:20.13 | supernovia | no |
| 05:20.21 | mindjuju | nope, married to somebody else |
| 05:20.28 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, novia is a guy, supernovia is.... I'm confused |
| 05:20.38 | mindjuju | nope, close though |
| 05:20.39 | supernovia | novia is a girl, novio is a boy |
| 05:20.42 | mindjuju | novio is boyfriend |
| 05:20.43 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 05:20.45 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 05:21.13 | mindjuju | by the way, samwise gamgee gets the biggest butt-kickinest warrior for LOTR 3 |
| 05:21.30 | mindjuju | like when he takes out the big spider and the raid to get frodo |
| 05:21.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, he ends up a completely different person than he starts out as. |
| 05:22.03 | mindjuju | true that |
| 05:22.15 | mindjuju | don't remember the books well, but remember really liking him in the book |
| 05:22.29 | supernovia | I remember crying over samwise in the books. hehe |
| 05:22.29 | mindjuju | seems like htough, at the end of the book, that they give sam a chance to go on the ship too, don't they? |
| 05:22.49 | mindjuju | since he was a ring bearer too |
| 05:22.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm reading a book on writing. It says that there's only one place where people don't change - the realm of bad writing ;) |
| 05:22.58 | supernovia | he's got that sweet girl he loves though so he stays w. her |
| 05:23.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah he gets to go later |
| 05:23.21 | supernovia | isn't that the truth, Lone_Wanderer |
| 05:25.15 | supernovia | just the good guys change for the better |
| 05:29.16 | supernovia | all these pdfs I've been printing out have stack errors on em :-( |
| 05:29.17 | mindjuju | like facepalm? |
| 05:29.22 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 05:29.25 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that |
| 05:29.45 | supernovia | and they each took like 3 minutes for this silly site to bring them up. *sigh* |
| 05:30.13 | mindjuju | i've got acrobat if you need a web page or something converted |
| 05:30.59 | supernovia | yeah I've got cute pdf |
| 05:31.04 | supernovia | -should- work (it always does) |
| 05:31.05 | mindjuju | ah cool |
| 05:31.27 | supernovia | but the site i'm pulling these up on (they're my paystubs for my w2 work) is ridiculously slow |
| 05:31.38 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 05:31.39 | supernovia | and cumbersome |
| 05:31.50 | mindjuju | on you on a winders box or linux? |
| 05:31.54 | supernovia | this one's windows |
| 05:31.56 | mindjuju | do they make cute pdf for linux? |
| 05:32.01 | supernovia | Not sure |
| 05:32.06 | mindjuju | why not screen shot and then pdf the screenshot? |
| 05:32.08 | supernovia | there's a pdf tools that I'm sure works fine cross platform |
| 05:32.23 | supernovia | well, what I probably ought to do is go find a printer and hook these up to that then just print them |
| 05:33.33 | supernovia | rather hook this laptop up ya know |
| 05:36.23 | mindjuju | you should watch Nacho Libre, it'll ease the pain |
| 05:36.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it available on Netflix On Demand? |
| 05:36.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I could look but I'm watching SG-1 :p |
| 05:37.04 | mindjuju | i don't use netflix |
| 05:37.08 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 05:37.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean... Philistine! |
| 05:37.22 | supernovia | nacho libre would be good |
| 05:37.24 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 05:38.47 | mindjuju | that's no good! |
| 05:38.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah your body needs oxygen. It's kind of important. |
| 05:39.12 | supernovia | that's what I've been trying to tell it |
| 05:39.19 | mindjuju | you should write a cron job for breathing |
| 05:39.27 | supernovia | for real. |
| 05:39.37 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think they have a "continuous" option. |
| 05:40.19 | mindjuju | what about a never ending for loop? |
| 05:40.19 | supernovia | I think it's just so much _work_ to breathe when I've got big bad asthma |
| 05:40.19 | Lone_Wanderer | while() { breathe; } |
| 05:40.42 | supernovia | good idea guys |
| 05:40.49 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.59 | Lone_Wanderer | You may have to switch it to while (lungs_not_full) { breathe_in; } |
| 05:41.12 | Lone_Wanderer | etc. |
| 05:41.20 | supernovia | goodness. I need to remember how that goes |
| 05:41.45 | mindjuju | it goes awesome |
| 05:41.59 | mindjuju | and he does the flying eagle to take down his opponent |
| 05:42.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ut oh, they brought back a Destroyer of Worlds |
| 05:42.42 | mindjuju | btw, the end move that nacho does, is the really real finishing move the real wrestling priest used |
| 05:42.49 | mindjuju | read it in wikipedia |
| 05:42.53 | Lone_Wanderer | That's awesome |
| 05:43.09 | supernovia | I'll have to check it out |
| 05:43.12 | mindjuju | not the flying eagle mind you |
| 05:43.18 | mindjuju | but that figure 4 ype thing |
| 05:43.30 | supernovia | um speaking of movies though, did anything pan out with star trek and a theater for the geeks? |
| 05:43.47 | mindjuju | it would have cost more than the price of the ticket right out |
| 05:43.59 | mindjuju | by a few bucks, |
| 05:44.11 | supernovia | hmm, yeah that wouldn't be as cool |
| 05:44.32 | mindjuju | yeah was looking for a UTOS fund raiser, or a break even, but we can't go into debt for it |
| 05:44.51 | supernovia | understandably |
| 05:45.26 | supernovia | too bad though, it would have been fun |
| 05:45.36 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 05:46.29 | supernovia | maybe we can still tell everyone to buy tickets in a block or something |
| 05:46.33 | mindjuju | i wonder if Nacho ever gets the girl, or if she remains a nun |
| 05:46.42 | mindjuju | yeah, that would be cool, i thought about that |
| 05:46.43 | supernovia | well, or say hey we're going to theater X at ____ |
| 05:47.03 | mindjuju | would love to see it imax in a group, but i'm gonig to be in UC on friday |
| 05:47.19 | supernovia | I'm going to be being a loser on friday |
| 05:47.23 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, it is bedtime for me |
| 05:47.31 | Lone_Wanderer | supernovia: going to Vegas? |
| 05:47.49 | supernovia | there's a thought |
| 05:48.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought that's what you meant about being a loser. |
| 05:48.45 | supernovia | I'd consider it if I gambled and if I had any money I suppose |
| 05:48.45 | mindjuju | tangerine dream is one of the best for soundtracks, up there with elfman, fo sho |
| 05:49.02 | supernovia | wow, now you make me want to hear tangerine dreams |
| 05:49.07 | Lone_Wanderer | wait, wait - there is a movie called "3 O'Clock High" that has a soundtrack by Tangerine Dream? |
| 05:49.28 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - where are you |
| 05:49.34 | mindjuju | in lehi, no? |
| 05:49.38 | Lone_Wanderer | btw have you seen A Clockwork Orange? It may offend you violently, I don't know, but the soundtrack is awesome. |
| 05:49.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm in Orem. |
| 05:49.43 | mindjuju | we have to remedy this, i mean post haste |
| 05:49.53 | supernovia | I've read the book |
| 05:49.57 | mindjuju | orem, can do, i'll let you borrow the VHS |
| 05:50.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 05:50.13 | mindjuju | it's an awesome movie about a fight after school |
| 05:50.14 | supernovia | they speak lots of russian slang in that book |
| 05:50.29 | mindjuju | directred by Steven Spilberg and another guy, though spilberg doesn't take credit |
| 05:50.30 | Lone_Wanderer | oh so I shouldn't watch the fight scene on youtube? |
| 05:50.33 | mindjuju | its VERY well done |
| 05:50.37 | mindjuju | no don't watch that |
| 05:50.39 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 05:50.41 | mindjuju | just wate for tomorrow |
| 05:50.44 | mindjuju | wait |
| 05:50.45 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 05:50.59 | Lone_Wanderer | supernovia: I kept wondering what the words he used meant |
| 05:51.19 | supernovia | yeah they're all russian |
| 05:51.43 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 05:51.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to dress up as one of those guys for Halloween now. |
| 05:52.36 | Lone_Wanderer | an evil one? |
| 05:52.48 | supernovia | he's not -bad- per se, just ill fated |
| 05:52.55 | DexterTheDragon | supernovia: where ya going to get the other foot? |
| 05:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but he looks evil. |
| 05:53.14 | supernovia | good question DexterTheDragon |
| 05:53.14 | Lone_Wanderer | http://moviescreens.tripod.com/clockwork/clock01.jpg |
| 05:53.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I dub this to be a worthy costume project. |
| 05:53.51 | supernovia | wowsas, he's got lashes like spongebob |
| 05:53.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Just on one eye though. |
| 05:54.11 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer - like cosplay? |
| 05:54.12 | supernovia | yeah I'm sure he nervously plucked the other one. |
| 05:54.18 | supernovia | That'd be a cool costume though |
| 05:54.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Well I dunno if it's cosplay if it's halloween, but yeah. |
| 05:54.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd have to carry a glass of milk around too. |
| 05:54.41 | supernovia | so he's the baddie in clockwork orange eh? |
| 05:54.56 | supernovia | he -looks- like a baddie |
| 05:54.58 | Lone_Wanderer | He's the main character. I think he ends up okay at the end. |
| 05:55.04 | Lone_Wanderer | But he's the bad guy in that picture yeah. |
| 05:56.03 | mindjuju | yeah, the soundtrack for 3 oclock high is freakin awesome, with tons of high school band type drums playing |
| 05:56.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I think he just puts makeup on one side. |
| 05:56.16 | supernovia | no way! |
| 05:56.33 | mindjuju | loved high school band, though i never got to play |
| 05:56.45 | supernovia | I was a total band geek but I never played the drums |
| 05:56.56 | supernovia | (just the drummers ;-D) |
| 05:57.06 | Lone_Wanderer | XD |
| 05:57.09 | mindjuju | :) |
| 05:57.17 | supernovia | (kidding! I -was- still a geek after all) |
| 05:57.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Geeks can be groupies. |
| 05:57.51 | supernovia | yeah but girl geeks can't be good groupies |
| 05:57.59 | Lone_Wanderer | why not? |
| 05:58.01 | supernovia | it offends their sense of purpose |
| 05:58.08 | supernovia | ask any girl geek |
| 05:58.12 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 05:58.35 | mindjuju | girl debaters rox |
| 05:58.51 | supernovia | debate would be fun if I could talk without feeling like a foo' |
| 06:01.14 | supernovia | anyway - |
| 06:01.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway. Sleepytime for real. |
| 06:01.26 | supernovia | ya dolshna poshla v spotye, spakoi! |
| 06:01.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Roight! |
| 06:01.44 | supernovia | there's your russian for you (I gotta go to sleep, 'night!) |
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| 15:30.08 | PoeticIntensity | beandog! |
| 15:30.11 | PoeticIntensity | How's life? |
| 15:30.17 | beandog | eh |
| 15:30.32 | beandog | I took it on myself to upgrade myth on my embedded image last night |
| 15:30.43 | beandog | First major change on that sucker in like 2 years |
| 15:31.03 | beandog | it's gonna work, though! |
| 15:31.08 | beandog | long live the 200mb mythtv image :D |
| 15:31.36 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, hows yous |
| 15:32.01 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... cool beans, bro. |
| 15:32.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm good... |
| 15:32.14 | PoeticIntensity | stressed almost constantly, but good.. |
| 15:32.17 | PoeticIntensity | got myself a new jorb. |
| 15:32.21 | PoeticIntensity | I start on Monday. |
| 15:32.21 | beandog | really? |
| 15:32.22 | beandog | where at |
| 15:32.27 | PoeticIntensity | American Fork. |
| 15:32.28 | beandog | Stan's Hot Dog Shack? |
| 15:32.38 | PoeticIntensity | shut UP! |
| 15:32.41 | PoeticIntensity | who told you!? |
| 15:32.43 | beandog | The Finest Weenies in Wasatch |
| 15:32.47 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 15:33.04 | beandog | :) |
| 15:35.14 | Utah_Dave | ~weenies beandog |
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| 15:36.45 | fungus | PoeticIntensity: So did you give up on the .Net crud? |
| 15:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | wholeheartedly. |
| 15:38.59 | beandog | where you gonna work? |
| 15:39.00 | beandog | oh hey |
| 15:39.05 | beandog | american fork, that's clos |
| 15:39.16 | PoeticIntensity | I just couldn't gut what was being force-fed to me. |
| 15:39.22 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 15:39.33 | PoeticIntensity | can't wait to sell them weener buns. |
| 15:39.51 | PoeticIntensity | nah... I got another PHP gig. |
| 15:40.08 | PoeticIntensity | basically another ground-up build of internal systems. |
| 15:40.19 | PoeticIntensity | same thing I've done the last two jobs. |
| 15:40.41 | PoeticIntensity | and now, I can speak with authority when I say that C# and .NET are *DEFINITELY* not for me. |
| 15:40.44 | beandog | right on |
| 15:40.51 | beandog | ~PoeticIntensity++ |
| 15:40.56 | beandog | .NOT |
| 15:41.18 | PoeticIntensity | C-flat (However you symbolize that) |
| 15:42.03 | macnewbold | Cb |
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| 15:43.21 | Utah_Dave1 | PoeticIntensity: so is Nature's Way gone now? |
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| 15:44.24 | mindjuju | so, quick question about PHP and email sending |
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| 15:45.01 | beandog | mindjuju, sorry, thats off topic |
| 15:45.01 | mindjuju | elts say that I'm sending an email using PHP through sendmail |
| 15:45.16 | mindjuju | well, let me check one more thing, hang on |
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| 15:46.09 | mindjuju | yeah, k here is what I found |
| 15:46.11 | mindjuju | "It is important to note that just because the mail was accepted for delivery, it does NOT mean the mail will actually reach the intended destination. " |
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| 15:46.16 | mindjuju | from here |
| 15:46.17 | mindjuju | http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.mail.php |
| 15:46.19 | mindjuju | now |
| 15:46.27 | mindjuju | the SMTP server knows what happened |
| 15:46.34 | mindjuju | and I control it and the web server |
| 15:46.34 | PoeticIntensity | Utah_Dave1, essentially, yes. We're being merged. |
| 15:46.47 | mindjuju | so how can I get back what happened from the SMTP server |
| 15:46.58 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.05 | mindjuju | yeah, iw as thinking log |
| 15:47.12 | mindjuju | but it's filled with tons of stuff |
| 15:47.18 | mindjuju | i'd just have to parse it, huh? |
| 15:47.33 | fungus | pretty much |
| 15:47.49 | mindjuju | so this is more a Sendmail question than a PHP |
| 15:47.51 | mindjuju | methinks |
| 15:48.03 | fungus | when PHP's mail command is configured to use local sendmail, it is up to the local MTA to deliver the message |
| 15:48.12 | fungus | sounds like it |
| 15:48.20 | mindjuju | maybe some type of cron job that parses the log then feeds the info back to the db |
| 15:48.28 | fungus | mindjuju: grep <to address> /var/log/mail.log |
| 15:49.05 | fungus | oh not just for troubleshooting, but for continuous progress? |
| 15:49.17 | mindjuju | wouldn't it be cool if there was some trigger after delivery |
| 15:49.27 | fungus | mindjuju: don't google "sendmail" for documentation unless you actually use sendmail. |
| 15:49.30 | mindjuju | yeah, i want to see if delivered or no |
| 15:49.35 | mindjuju | i do use sendmail |
| 15:49.56 | mindjuju | oh wait |
| 15:49.58 | fungus | are you sure? sendmail is painful and icky |
| 15:50.00 | mindjuju | i don't, i'm goofy |
| 15:50.04 | mindjuju | i use postfix |
| 15:50.06 | mindjuju | :) |
| 15:50.20 | mindjuju | i just got in and my brain isn't warm yet |
| 15:50.26 | fungus | postfix is "sendmail compatible", but has radically different documentation |
| 15:50.39 | beandog | and configuration |
| 15:50.45 | mindjuju | yeah, my bad on that, i'll look up postfix docs |
| 15:51.12 | fungus | But anyway, if you goal is to continuously collect data on that, perhaps there are other alternatives. |
| 15:51.49 | mindjuju | yeah, i want to know if the other receiving email server said delivered or no address or ... |
| 15:51.57 | fungus | What exactly are you looking for? |
| 15:52.10 | mindjuju | email send status |
| 15:52.46 | fungus | FYI, it is impossible to be perfect to get the email send status. |
| 15:53.08 | mindjuju | yeah, i was just starting to think about that |
| 15:53.10 | fungus | Many org's have several internal email servers, any of which may reject the message after the fact |
| 15:53.23 | mindjuju | oh, hadn't thought about that |
| 15:53.28 | unum | ours works like that |
| 15:53.29 | mindjuju | but was thinking about server timeout, etc |
| 15:53.52 | unum | it's a big mess because the first server just accepts email for everyone, and then it will try to deliver it to the second one |
| 15:53.56 | fungus | But most of the time, the first hop is pretty good at catching most things. |
| 15:54.16 | unum | which will reject it if that person is not in the system. but the first one used to try for several days..... |
| 15:54.30 | fungus | unum: Look into publishing a relay_recipients mapping to the external relays. |
| 15:54.49 | fungus | it really cuts down on that kind of crap |
| 15:54.53 | unum | fungus: thanks. is that a postfix thing? |
| 15:54.58 | fungus | yup |
| 15:56.13 | macnewbold | mindjuju: what about setting up a php script that processes the bounce replies? |
| 15:56.22 | macnewbold | i.e. don't ask postfix, wait to see if it bounces or not |
| 15:56.36 | mindjuju | that's a good alternative |
| 15:56.38 | macnewbold | then you'll know what happened, and it is getting pushed to you rather than you having to parse logs for it |
| 15:57.50 | carmony | anyone here ever gone to ZendCon? :P |
| 15:58.34 | fungus | mindjuju: mac's idea is great as long as you don't need an immediate result. Much simpler, and more foolproof. |
| 15:59.15 | mindjuju | carmony, have they even done call for papers yet? |
| 15:59.52 | mindjuju | our company's new site is on hold while the GD designs it, but i'm pretty sold on using Zend as the framework |
| 16:00.44 | carmony | the just annouced their CFP's yesteday |
| 16:00.48 | mindjuju | Happy Cinco de Mayo for those of you who celebrate |
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| 16:01.20 | fungus | wow, Google doesn't have a cool logo for today. |
| 16:01.22 | unum | and a big slap in the face to those of you that are french! |
| 16:01.33 | mindjuju | ah! that's true! |
| 16:01.54 | unum | ~lart the french |
| 16:01.54 | ibot | squeezes the french till the french turns blue like papa smurf |
| 16:02.09 | beandog | heh |
| 16:03.00 | orsonj | I'll be having nachoes, but that's about it. |
| 16:03.29 | mindjuju | Nachos is good |
| 16:03.32 | beandog | Im going to get drunk and pass out in the street |
| 16:03.49 | mindjuju | uh, that could be fun ... i guess |
| 16:03.54 | beandog | it's just a nice coincidence that today is a holiday |
| 16:03.56 | orsonj | I'm not sure why we have the May 5th holidy, but nachos are godo |
| 16:04.01 | fungus | Interesting, I never knew that it's not a national holiday in Mexico |
| 16:04.08 | orsonj | *good |
| 16:04.23 | utahcon | orsonj: I thought that was you attempt at a gringo bueno |
| 16:04.43 | unum | I don't think presidents day is a national holiday... |
| 16:04.50 | orsonj | no, that was me trying to type while thinking about nachos |
| 16:05.32 | unum | http://www.snopes.com/holidays/presidents/presidentsday.asp |
| 16:07.20 | beandog | we need more holidays. |
| 16:07.32 | beandog | like, go fly a kite day |
| 16:07.49 | orsonj | it is unamerican to celebrate presidents day (/me wonders how that came to be) |
| 16:08.25 | unum | I want to take up kite fighting |
| 16:08.45 | orsonj | I want to take up RC airplane flying |
| 16:09.10 | mindjuju | i like watching RC planes fly and crash |
| 16:09.16 | orsonj | and perhaps fighting with some of the cheaper models |
| 16:09.17 | mindjuju | but flying them seems complex |
| 16:09.51 | orsonj | mindjuju: you should come watch me try to fly my cheapo $60 rc plane. that thing is so hard to fly |
| 16:09.54 | unum | by brother-in-law builds and flies them |
| 16:10.07 | orsonj | the larger more expensive ones are so much easier to fly |
| 16:10.10 | unum | he let me fly it in tandum |
| 16:10.15 | mindjuju | orsonj, i have an airhog stealth flying thing |
| 16:10.24 | mindjuju | it's EXCELLENT at flying straight! |
| 16:10.30 | mindjuju | ... at the ground |
| 16:10.38 | fungus | lol |
| 16:10.46 | orsonj | I think mine has the same capability |
| 16:11.04 | mindjuju | you know, i should try flying it upside - down, maybe then it'll work |
| 16:11.18 | orsonj | good idea, I'll have to try that next time |
| 16:11.52 | jsmith | orsonj: Is that presidents day, presidents' day, or president's day? (Notice the apostrophes!) |
| 16:11.59 | mindjuju | did you see on yahoo.com their logo has something for cinco de mayo and they dance around? |
| 16:12.02 | mindjuju | way good times |
| 16:12.23 | orsonj | I broke a wire connection on it last time I flew it. Got it fixed, but still need to put it back together. |
| 16:12.42 | orsonj | I think it would be presidents' day |
| 16:12.49 | mindjuju | you know orsonj, there is suppose to be this REALLY cool airplane that is built for guys like us |
| 16:13.08 | mindjuju | i think its called zappo or something like that, i'll look, but thengot to get back to the email project |
| 16:13.08 | jsmith | mindjuju: Hey now! Just because I'm a stickler for apostrophes doesn't mean you have to resort to violence! |
| 16:13.51 | mindjuju | love that song |
| 16:14.16 | orsonj | http://www.geocities.com/quemadense/planes/slow-stick004.jpg <-- I have flown this plane before. way easier to fly than mine., but about $200 more expensive. |
| 16:15.26 | orsonj | however repairs are quite cheap, thus good for airplane crashing peole like us. |
| 16:15.55 | orsonj | man, this lag is killing my spelling |
| 16:22.04 | beandog | http://www.fivecentnickel.com/2009/04/09/looks-can-be-deceiving-lessons-learned-on-a-shuttle-ride-at-the-car-dealer/ |
| 16:23.33 | beandog | I thought that was kinda cool. |
| 16:25.11 | orsonj | nice story |
| 16:25.51 | beandog | of course, it didn't have the stereotypical single guy who spends $100 a week on DVDs. |
| 16:25.55 | beandog | weirdos. |
| 16:26.14 | beandog | hmm, I just realized my cell phone has been turned off |
| 16:26.18 | beandog | no wonder I haven't gotten any calls. |
| 16:27.09 | mindjuju | dave ramsey philosophy can be summed up into a few words |
| 16:27.21 | mindjuju | don't buy it if you can't pay cash, and if the money is better used elsewhere |
| 16:27.35 | mindjuju | the rest is discipline |
| 16:28.00 | mindjuju | yup |
| 16:28.28 | PoeticIntensity | Dave Ramsey++ |
| 16:28.55 | josephscott | http://www.hulu.com/watch/1389/saturday-night-live-dont-buy-stuff |
| 16:29.13 | Utah_Dave | josephscott: I love that video! |
| 16:29.23 | mindjuju | i know this'll sound funny, but i actually called Dave and got on the air |
| 16:29.37 | beandog | yah? |
| 16:29.42 | mindjuju | honest |
| 16:29.46 | beandog | did you confess your secret love |
| 16:29.54 | josephscott | sad the SNL has to teach people about budgeting :-( |
| 16:30.13 | beandog | mindjuju, what happened |
| 16:30.14 | utahcon | How do you escape characters if you don't know what they are? |
| 16:30.23 | mindjuju | he told me to get a lawyer |
| 16:30.28 | utahcon | I have some yahoo who posted his resume in my form... saved it to the DB |
| 16:30.30 | beandog | o.O |
| 16:30.31 | macnewbold | utahcon: regular expressions with negation |
| 16:30.36 | beandog | mindjuju, for what |
| 16:30.37 | utahcon | now it comes out and breaks my XMl |
| 16:30.44 | utahcon | with negation? |
| 16:30.52 | utahcon | macnewbold: do share |
| 16:30.56 | macnewbold | yeah, find anything that is _not_ an allowable character, and escape it |
| 16:30.58 | mindjuju | yeah, to help negotiate |
| 16:31.11 | macnewbold | usually something like [^a-zA-Z0-9] etc |
| 16:31.34 | beandog | that's pretty broad |
| 16:31.42 | mindjuju | josephscott - that's awesome |
| 16:32.10 | macnewbold | mindjuju: why did he say get a lawyer? |
| 16:32.45 | mindjuju | to help negotiate |
| 16:33.58 | utahcon | macnewbold: thanks, however that won't help gotta pass along the data, just need it to not break my xml |
| 16:34.47 | fungus | utahcon: just escape the XML chars |
| 16:34.55 | beandog | negotiate what |
| 16:34.56 | fungus | Or can you just use CDATA tags |
| 16:35.33 | beandog | ooh I just found some clif bars under my desk |
| 16:35.36 | beandog | nom nom nom |
| 16:35.39 | fungus | lol |
| 16:35.44 | herlo | ew! |
| 16:35.47 | herlo | gross! |
| 16:36.19 | utahcon | although the CDATA does sound "right" |
| 16:36.25 | macnewbold | utahcon: what you can do is find the bad characters, and replace them with properly escaped bad characters |
| 16:36.34 | macnewbold | cdata is a good way to wrap it I think |
| 16:36.56 | utahcon | how do you find the bad characters if your systems won't tell you what they are? Does that even make sense? |
| 16:37.08 | herlo | okay, so here's a good question for the crew here at uphpu. I'm looking to do some performance tuning on our web server. |
| 16:37.18 | carmony | ok |
| 16:37.21 | macnewbold | utahcon: one way is to make a list of allowable characters, |
| 16:37.28 | utahcon | I pull it from mysql and I get a "?", phpMyAdmin and firefox each display "?" or "?" in a diamond. |
| 16:37.32 | macnewbold | and if you want, gradually grow it until you find something that breaks it |
| 16:37.33 | herlo | we've got a very image intensive site, and so I was thinking about a few things, one is memcached, another is reverse proxy. Any other thoughts? |
| 16:37.39 | beandog | utahcon, well usually there's a function to escape known characters |
| 16:37.49 | beandog | utahcon, oh .... that's different. that's your locale. |
| 16:37.55 | macnewbold | herlo: separate httpd server for images only (lighttpd perhaps?) |
| 16:38.03 | carmony | what would you use memcached for with the images? |
| 16:38.08 | beandog | probably utf8 on latin1 or something. |
| 16:38.15 | herlo | macnewbold: okay, so that's a good thought, but there's a snag |
| 16:38.23 | utahcon | hmmm |
| 16:38.27 | macnewbold | snag schmag |
| 16:38.37 | utahcon | beandog: what can be done about that? |
| 16:38.44 | beandog | utahcon, uh |
| 16:38.46 | herlo | macnewbold: there would have to be code changes to deliver the images as of right now they are required to be on the filesystem. I could change that over time |
| 16:38.55 | beandog | couple of things |
| 16:38.58 | herlo | macnewbold: I'm thinking that's what we'll wanna do in the future |
| 16:39.04 | herlo | but I'm looking for quick fixes... |
| 16:39.06 | beandog | you could convert the UTF8 characters to HTML strings |
| 16:39.11 | beandog | I forget the term |
| 16:39.12 | macnewbold | herlo: so why are you needing to do anything special at all? what's the problem you're solving? |
| 16:39.15 | beandog |  stuff |
| 16:39.35 | beandog | actually that's probably the simplest way. |
| 16:39.38 | herlo | macnewbold: currently, it takes 30 seconds to load a single dynamic page, I'd like to get that down to around 5-15 seconds |
| 16:39.50 | josephscott | utahcon: are you sure the string is utf8? I've you tried to convert with iconv just to be sure? |
| 16:39.57 | herlo | macnewbold: we're very image intensive here, visit http://mymemoriessuite.com/store/sub_catalog |
| 16:40.02 | beandog | josephscott, I was just guessing |
| 16:40.08 | beandog | good idea though |
| 16:40.13 | herlo | and on FF, it's fairly fast, ~10secs |
| 16:40.22 | josephscott | I ran into a similar problem with a string I thought was utf8, turned out not to be |
| 16:40.23 | beandog | also see what the locale is set to on mysql |
| 16:40.27 | herlo | but on IE it's amazingly slow, ~30+ secs |
| 16:41.48 | herlo | carmony: wouldn't memcached be able to deliver images faster? I'm kind of thinking a reverse proxy might be the best solution short-term |
| 16:42.11 | carmony | so you'd load the images in memcached and server them from there? |
| 16:43.15 | herlo | yeah, I've done something similar but it wasn't images per se |
| 16:43.43 | fungus | If you need hyper speed for your images, you could just use a simple ramdisk |
| 16:43.45 | macnewbold | herlo: what parts are causing the slowness? loading images? or generating/loading the dynamic content itself? |
| 16:43.48 | josephscott | varnish might be a good option |
| 16:44.18 | carmony | herlo, is the website your talking about up and online? |
| 16:44.22 | herlo | macnewbold: that's a good question, one I'm not skilled enough (apparently) to answer. Any suggesions as to where I should look or how I can determin this... |
| 16:44.26 | herlo | carmony: read above... |
| 16:44.26 | beandog | why does mysql have so many utf8 locales anyway |
| 16:44.28 | josephscott | if the concern is about serving lots of images quickly |
| 16:44.52 | herlo | macnewbold: images are the likely culprit |
| 16:45.56 | macnewbold | herlo: firebug shows me that more than half of your load time is all the .js files |
| 16:46.07 | herlo | oh, wow! |
| 16:46.12 | macnewbold | the worst culprit is the verisign one - maybe put that on the cart page only? |
| 16:46.17 | herlo | we do have lots of js files, that's true |
| 16:46.26 | macnewbold | if you consolidated a lot of your js into one file, it would be much more efficient |
| 16:46.32 | macnewbold | can't do that with images obviously though |
| 16:46.49 | Utah_Dave | utahcon: try changing your encoding on your browser to different settings and refreshing and see if you get the correct characters with the correct encoding |
| 16:46.59 | macnewbold | since the browser will only request 4 things at a time from teh server, quantities of items loaded can slow things down |
| 16:47.01 | herlo | yes, it would. funny thing, the people who wrote this just slapped everything in there. I doubt we need half of hte js we have |
| 16:47.19 | josephscott | load JS as late as possible in the page, it generally causes browsers to block, stopping them from downloading other items in parallel |
| 16:47.33 | macnewbold | there are currently 12 for the link you sent |
| 16:47.42 | macnewbold | taking 6.5 seconds total |
| 16:47.48 | herlo | 12 js pages? |
| 16:47.54 | herlo | probably right |
| 16:47.54 | macnewbold | yes |
| 16:48.03 | macnewbold | 73 images, 1.8mb, 4.85 seconds |
| 16:48.08 | herlo | k, this is going to be fun... |
| 16:48.13 | macnewbold | the js was about 300kb I think |
| 16:48.26 | herlo | macnewbold: thanks, I'm installing firebug now as we speak |
| 16:48.34 | macnewbold | all together 93 requests, 2.25MB, 8 seconds |
| 16:49.01 | macnewbold | how much will your site benefit from browser-side caching of images and js? |
| 16:49.08 | herlo | macnewbold: yeah, 8 seconds on FF |
| 16:49.46 | macnewbold | wow, reload the same page, and only 23 things not in cache, 403KB, 1.8 seconds |
| 16:50.03 | macnewbold | 7 of those 23 are css, 13 are js |
| 16:50.06 | herlo | macnewbold: probably a ton of benefit would be had if we cached images and js on the browser side, but I'm not sure how to accomplish that sort of thing without some guidance... |
| 16:50.12 | macnewbold | why only 12 js were there the first time, and now 13, I have no idea. |
| 16:50.14 | josephscott | steve souders has some great stuff on high performance web sites (front end) souders |
| 16:50.17 | josephscott | http://stevesouders.com/ |
| 16:50.36 | macnewbold | herlo: browsers automatically cache images, css, js, etc. unless the server tells them not to |
| 16:50.47 | herlo | oh, okay |
| 16:51.42 | herlo | macnewbold: you had me confused, I was thinking that we were doing something wrong to not have the browser cache the images and js |
| 16:52.29 | macnewbold | the images almost all cached |
| 16:52.30 | herlo | funny, I was looking at this from a sysadmin pov, seems it is more of a dev pov |
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| 16:55.42 | orsonj | ok, now I need to write a little program to hardlink duplicate files, then figure out a way to make backups that won't balloon them back up to full size. |
| 16:56.42 | orsonj | maybe I'll just backup the repository, and not the files themselves, since I think bzr detects duplicate files. |
| 16:56.47 | josephscott | orsonj: rsnapshot? http://www.rsnapshot.org/ |
| 16:56.57 | macnewbold | the css and js probably should have, but didn't cache |
| 16:57.02 | macnewbold | herlo: this link might help |
| 16:57.04 | macnewbold | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/458.htm |
| 16:57.09 | orsonj | josephscott: I'll take a look |
| 16:57.14 | macnewbold | see the part about sending the Expires header and Cache-Control |
| 16:57.35 | macnewbold | this might be useful too: http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/ |
| 16:58.07 | macnewbold | wget -S or http://www.webmasterworld.com/stickymail.cgi?action=headers will show you the headers your server is returning |
| 16:58.21 | macnewbold | right now you have a last modified on your js, but not expires |
| 16:59.18 | macnewbold | the images don't have it either, but seem to be treated differently, perhaps based on their mime type |
| 17:03.13 | herlo | these are good resources |
| 17:09.54 | herlo | thanks gang! |
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| 17:37.53 | mindjuju | ~apb carmony |
| 17:37.54 | ibot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to stake out carmony |
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| 17:38.23 | carmony | lol |
| 17:38.25 | carmony | sup? |
| 17:38.26 | carmony | :P |
| 17:40.49 | carmony | ping herlo |
| 17:43.21 | brasto | ~lart pidgin for the new categories that will not remove. |
| 17:43.21 | ibot | throws pidgin's poor little doggy off a cliff for the new categories that will not remove. |
| 17:45.37 | carmony | ~apb herlo |
| 17:45.37 | ibot | ACTION hires baby Lyssa to rough up herlo |
| 17:45.41 | carmony | lol :P |
| 17:46.13 | mindjuju | dataw0lf 's post about star trek on facebook is too good to not post here - http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section |
| 17:47.11 | dataw0lf | yea it's pretty fantastic |
| 17:51.03 | carmony | hahahaha |
| 17:52.25 | mindjuju | the onion is awesome, i've been following their stuff since they pulled a fast one on China with their dome article |
| 17:53.06 | dataw0lf | grew up with it, my dad had a subscription |
| 17:53.14 | mindjuju | twas funny, during that time when there were like a billion new dome stadiums being buitl, the onion runs an article about how congress wanted a new dome too, beijing evening post (or whate ver its called) thought it was real and ran an article on it |
| 17:53.26 | mindjuju | totally hilarious |
| 17:53.32 | dataw0lf | p.s. they use Django ;-P |
| 17:54.59 | dataw0lf | nom clam chowder |
| 17:56.00 | herlo | carmony: pong |
| 18:02.45 | carmony | herlo pm |
| 18:31.23 | mindjuju | this year's Ultra looks freakin' awesome! http://www.ultramusicfestival.com/ |
| 18:33.42 | herlo | you realize it's already over though right? |
| 18:34.14 | mindjuju | yeah, just noticed that, i thought it was in may, but's its march |
| 18:34.23 | mindjuju | :( |
| 18:36.43 | herlo | I know, sad face is appropriate here |
| 18:37.15 | mindjuju | i wonder if it is too poser to get a shirt even if i didn't go |
| 18:37.24 | herlo | heh |
| 18:37.50 | PoeticIntensity | almost cried I laughed so hard. |
| 18:39.36 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 19:12.35 | mgeary | you oracle folks-- is there a way to get raw SQL (like mysqldump) out of oracle? |
| 19:13.45 | dataw0lf | mgeary: http://www.bennyvision.com/~ddkilzer/projects/oracledump/ |
| 19:14.21 | mgeary | dataw0lf: ever used it? |
| 19:14.54 | dataw0lf | a long time ago |
| 19:18.45 | fungus | heresy! The ONN called Gene Roddenberry a "hack". |
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| 19:25.48 | mindjuju | who is Gene Roddenberry? |
| 19:26.05 | utahcon | lol |
| 19:26.33 | mindjuju | :) |
| 19:26.38 | mindjuju | sup utahcon |
| 19:26.43 | utahcon | word! |
| 19:27.11 | utahcon | I am recreating the output of my online application for what seems like the 100th time. Kinda getting tired of it. |
| 19:28.02 | mindjuju | utahcon - sounds like you need a pick-me-up -- try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKXKWBcaV3A |
| 19:28.22 | mindjuju | and put on your seatbelt, it's way good stuff |
| 19:28.58 | fungus | Prodigy is not good to listen to while driving. |
| 19:29.12 | mindjuju | yeah, unless your driving nascar or something |
| 19:29.20 | fungus | I tend to get speeding tickets when I listen to Firestarter |
| 19:29.24 | mindjuju | or destruction derby |
| 19:29.32 | mindjuju | that's awesome fungus |
| 19:30.10 | mindjuju | fungus, this morning I made it to work in record time listening to this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTxOKsyZ0Lw |
| 19:30.12 | mindjuju | love that song |
| 19:31.11 | mgeary | hey, i'm trying to get some things set up on a Ubuntu server.... |
| 19:31.30 | mgeary | i'm trying to get some python libs installed, and it appears that they python header files aren't present |
| 19:31.36 | utahcon | that was an interesting video |
| 19:31.43 | mgeary | what'd be the best way to do that? is there an apt-get package that would just have them? |
| 19:31.50 | mindjuju | utahcon - but an awesome song |
| 19:31.56 | fungus | apt-get install python-dev |
| 19:31.56 | utahcon | mindjuju: yes |
| 19:32.05 | utahcon | damn fungus beat me to it |
| 19:32.19 | mgeary | thanks |
| 19:33.59 | mgeary | does Oracle have a CLI interface like mysql does? |
| 19:34.20 | fungus | yes, but it sucks |
| 19:34.24 | fungus | sqlplus |
| 19:34.40 | utahcon | ~lart Tmobile |
| 19:34.40 | ibot | duct-tapes Tmobile to the floor and drools on him |
| 19:34.50 | utahcon | their cheap phones suck! |
| 19:34.59 | mgeary | fungus: sqlplus is oracle's CLI interface? or it's an alternative to it...? |
| 19:35.13 | fungus | it's oracle's CLI interface |
| 19:35.17 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:35.47 | mgeary | so, remember a couple of days ago when i asked about Oracle->mysql conversion? I've been suckered in to helping a friend with that |
| 19:36.17 | utahcon | that will teach you to have friends |
| 19:36.20 | mgeary | seriously |
| 19:36.21 | fungus | ouch, that sounds painful |
| 19:36.37 | mgeary | where best to start? |
| 19:36.45 | mgeary | i've hardly any experience with Oracle |
| 19:36.51 | utahcon | mgeary: how good is the friend? |
| 19:37.36 | utahcon | or maybe I didn't |
| 19:37.56 | fungus | I would probably recreate the schema as best as I could in sql, then write a custom script to connect to both db's and copy the data over. |
| 19:38.08 | fungus | s/sql/mysql/ |
| 19:38.21 | mgeary | that's basically what i was thinking as well |
| 19:38.34 | mgeary | though dataw0lf did post that perl script that supposedly generates sql |
| 19:38.45 | fungus | depending on the number of tables it could really be a lot of work though |
| 19:38.47 | utahcon | mgeary: do you know if there is anything funky in the oracle db? |
| 19:38.53 | mgeary | there is not |
| 19:38.58 | mgeary | it's just straight tables |
| 19:39.21 | utahcon | I woudl think the hardest part then is making sure your table structures are the same/similar |
| 19:39.47 | fungus | You might be able to use oracledump, edit it to make it mysql standard stuff, and import that... |
| 19:40.08 | mgeary | yeah... though apparently there are several million rows, so editing would be no mean task |
| 19:40.16 | herlo | utahcon: g1 from google is da bomb |
| 19:40.18 | fungus | sed |
| 19:40.29 | utahcon | herlo: I has the G1... |
| 19:40.42 | herlo | and u think its cheap? |
| 19:40.43 | utahcon | but the wifey only needs a "camera" that can call people |
| 19:40.51 | herlo | oh |
| 19:40.55 | utahcon | my G1 was cheap... free :D |
| 19:41.12 | herlo | nice |
| 19:41.55 | utahcon | I would love to get her the Memoir (8MP camera) but... for $250... I don't think so. |
| 19:44.42 | herlo | might as well buy the g1 at that point |
| 19:44.48 | utahcon | nah |
| 19:44.55 | herlo | teehee |
| 19:44.56 | utahcon | she doesn't need the fancy |
| 19:45.04 | utahcon | she'd rather have the 8MP camera :D |
| 19:45.08 | utahcon | I would too |
| 19:45.24 | fungus | http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,163922/printable.html |
| 19:45.26 | utahcon | for mother's day / christmas this year we are giving family the Tmobile Cameo frames |
| 19:46.07 | utahcon | fungus: Ugly Cell Phones... without looking past that title... I predict... nokia... sony... lg |
| 19:46.19 | fungus | close. :) |
| 19:46.32 | utahcon | WHAT?! NO LG!!! |
| 19:46.40 | utahcon | that is not right... but those are some ugly phones |
| 19:47.06 | utahcon | the B&O looks like a daily pill compact |
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| 19:53.27 | herlo | holy sh** |
| 19:53.55 | utahcon | no kidding |
| 19:54.08 | utahcon | that is with a 2yr contract extension... to which I say .. NO! |
| 19:55.03 | mgeary | what's the best way to install mysql on Ubuntu? apt-get, or source from mysql.com? or...? |
| 19:55.18 | utahcon | mgeary: depends on what you are looking for. |
| 19:55.28 | mgeary | such as...? |
| 19:55.36 | utahcon | recently I have been doing apt-get install mysql-server cause it is easiest |
| 19:55.40 | utahcon | source is most up to date |
| 19:55.43 | utahcon | and complete |
| 19:56.01 | utahcon | but for ease of use... apt-get is the way |
| 19:56.02 | mgeary | can i find out what version apt-get would install? |
| 19:56.35 | herlo | so it looks like a few of us geeks are getting together this thursday night @9pm the Century 16 to go and watch Star Trek |
| 19:59.14 | utahcon | wtf... 01:56:28 PM I get the IM... 1:57 I get a tap on the shoulder... |
| 19:59.18 | utahcon | what good is IM? |
| 20:02.20 | herlo | utahcon: 30 seconds |
| 20:04.13 | utahcon | I am not kidding |
| 20:09.58 | unum | mgeary: apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 20:10.18 | unum | my number one favorite thing about linux is being able to install stuff so easy |
| 20:10.32 | unum | I don't understand you install from soure people |
| 20:10.35 | unum | source |
| 20:11.10 | unum | of course I have to upgrade the redhat boxes at work by hand, but that's a different story |
| 20:12.46 | utahcon | unum: Source has it's places. |
| 20:13.00 | utahcon | don't ask me what they are though |
| 20:13.25 | unum | utahcon: you're a developer on the project :) |
| 20:23.34 | mindjuju | so, in linux, if you want to see all what users exist on your server, i'm doing cat/etc/passwd |
| 20:23.37 | mindjuju | is that good? |
| 20:24.35 | macnewbold | yeah, that works |
| 20:24.45 | macnewbold | it doesn't have their password hashes, but it has all the users in it |
| 20:25.02 | mindjuju | k, i'll keep doing that |
| 20:25.15 | mindjuju | its funny that there doesn't appear to be a list user command |
| 20:25.18 | mindjuju | but this works |
| 20:26.29 | herlo | mindjuju: getent passwd |
| 20:26.42 | herlo | mindjuju: id <username> |
| 20:26.51 | herlo | mindjuju: getent group <groupname> |
| 20:27.01 | herlo | mindjuju: getent services |
| 20:27.03 | herlo | :) |
| 20:30.44 | mgeary | hey, so i'm trying to connect to the oracle DB via Oracle's SQL Developer app. Anyone able to answer some questions on that? |
| 20:31.16 | mgeary | i'm getting "logon denied" errors, and want to make sure i'm not missing anything obvious |
| 20:33.38 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: Is it plugged in? |
| 20:33.49 | mgeary | doh! |
| 20:33.52 | mgeary | ~facepalm |
| 20:33.53 | ibot | ACTION facepalms at the situation |
| 20:39.33 | fungus | I use SQL Developer to connect to an oracle DB, but I got the correct connect info from our DBA. |
| 20:39.41 | fungus | Did you check with your DBA? ;) |
| 20:39.54 | mgeary | doing that now |
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| 20:58.26 | utahcon | textsfromlastnight.com -- hilarious! |
| 20:58.40 | utahcon | "Moving to Utah. Got sick of alcohol and have a severe wife shortage." |
| 21:11.55 | macnewbold | (510): I think I speak chipmunk. Odd. |
| 21:11.55 | macnewbold | (702): Are you high? |
| 21:11.55 | macnewbold | (510): No. That's why it's odd |
| 21:12.32 | macnewbold | (714): He ignores my calls like im some kind of stalker chick |
| 21:12.32 | macnewbold | (714): Ive only called 5 times |
| 21:19.03 | fungus | lol, it's like bash.org for txts |
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| 21:34.30 | mindjuju | so if i typed sudo su, is there a way to demote myself? |
| 21:34.39 | fungus | exit |
| 21:34.44 | mindjuju | awesome thx |
| 21:34.56 | DexterTheDragon | or ctrl+d |
| 21:35.54 | fungus | :w |
| 21:38.10 | fungus | FYI, "sudo -s" is "more correct" than "sudo su" |
| 21:38.40 | fungus | su switches user to root, but that isn't needed since sudo already did it. |
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| 21:48.47 | dataw0lf | TextMate is so smart |
| 21:53.23 | utahcon | what is Textmate? |
| 21:53.57 | utahcon | ~lart TextMate for being OSX only |
| 21:53.57 | ibot | slaps a compatible dib on TextMate's head for being OSX only |
| 21:56.42 | beandog | so tired |
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| 22:05.37 | hurrdurr | hurr |
| 22:06.46 | dataw0lf | hello hurrdurr |
| 22:06.47 | hurrdurr | Sup, sup. |
| 22:07.18 | dataw0lf | sorry, this is a bot but he's just going to sit in here so I can log any edge cases that I may need to introduce into my irc protocol tokenizer. |
| 22:12.53 | mgeary | any perl gurus here? |
| 22:13.07 | mgeary | i'm trying, and failing, to get DBD::Oracle installed |
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| 22:43.32 | beandog | mgeary, its probably for the best. |
| 22:43.34 | beandog | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/05/05/funny-pictures-quick-as-ai-can/ |
| 22:43.42 | mgeary | indeed |
| 22:45.57 | Utah_Dave | hello hurrdurr |
| 22:45.57 | hurrdurr | Sup, sup. |
| 22:46.02 | Utah_Dave | help hurrdurr |
| 22:46.05 | Utah_Dave | hurrdurr: help |
| 22:51.52 | dataw0lf | it's a _very_ basic bot, I'm writing it from scratch |
| 22:51.59 | dataw0lf | gonna use it for a IRC / Django tie-in |
| 22:53.04 | dataw0lf | so I just banged out a simple socket listener for the most part last night: https://github.com/stderr/nikolai/tree |
| 22:56.02 | macnewbold | ~lart hurrdurr |
| 22:56.02 | ibot | beats hurrdurr over the head with a microkernel |
| 22:56.08 | macnewbold | ~greet hurrdurr |
| 22:56.09 | ibot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on hurrdurr |
| 22:56.13 | macnewbold | ~welcome hurrdurr |
| 22:56.14 | ibot | Howdy, hurrdurr! |
| 22:56.21 | macnewbold | hurrdurr: hi |
| 23:03.42 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4 |
| 23:16.10 | itimber | I'm out.... later guys |
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| 23:25.51 | fungus | hello hurrdurr |
| 23:25.51 | hurrdurr | Sup, sup. |
