| 00:03.13 | dataw0lf | rly. |
| 00:18.15 | mgeary | nwy |
| 00:18.23 | mindjuju | wy |
| 00:18.37 | mgeary | srsly? |
| 00:21.51 | itimber | dataw0lf: thanks for that info.... kudos to Obama |
| 00:22.31 | mindjuju | kudos, now there was a fine candy bar |
| 00:23.29 | itimber | LOL |
| 00:23.36 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 00:23.37 | itimber | I'm out guys... catch ya'll later |
| 00:23.42 | dataw0lf | cya bro |
| 00:36.36 | mindjuju | that's so wierd, thsi page doesn't work with IE or FF |
| 00:37.32 | mindjuju | http://home.disney.go.com/lite/index |
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| 07:07.29 | dataw0lf | what does that even MEAN? |
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| 16:15.42 | PoeticIntensity | mornin'. |
| 16:16.02 | mgeary | mornin |
| 16:16.42 | PoeticIntensity | if anyone has a spare moment and wants to help my band choose a name for itself... |
| 16:16.51 | PoeticIntensity | http://ilovemyjournal.com/band_name_selector/ |
| 16:16.53 | mgeary | "Cookies for Christina" |
| 16:17.10 | PoeticIntensity | I love it... I'm adding it. |
| 16:18.04 | PoeticIntensity | any others? |
| 16:21.00 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... you're already at the top of the list, mgeary! |
| 16:21.03 | PoeticIntensity | http://ilovemyjournal.com/band_name_selector/rank_list.php |
| 16:21.12 | mgeary | woot |
| 16:21.20 | mgeary | 'course, that's with one rating |
| 16:21.25 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 16:21.45 | PoeticIntensity | How are you these days, anyway? |
| 16:22.04 | mgeary | not bad |
| 16:22.15 | mgeary | got some flash video / Red5 issues kicking my tail |
| 16:22.22 | PoeticIntensity | 'bout the same here... |
| 16:22.23 | mgeary | and a python conundrum |
| 16:22.25 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 16:22.37 | PoeticIntensity | I set up red5 here in office for a video conferencing demo. |
| 16:22.39 | mgeary | yeah, gonna hit up #utahpython on it shortly |
| 16:22.42 | jsmith | Would you say you have a plethora of issues? |
| 16:22.57 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:22.58 | mgeary | jsmith: i'd say more like an gaggle |
| 16:23.04 | PoeticIntensity | I need to hang around here more often. |
| 16:23.43 | jsmith | mgeary: Is that more or less than a grundle? |
| 16:24.02 | SunSparc | PoeticIntensity: Sheesh, how many choices are there? |
| 16:24.11 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 16:24.13 | PoeticIntensity | 80 |
| 16:24.25 | SunSparc | You should at least warn people. |
| 16:24.25 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:24.31 | PoeticIntensity | it's addicting... |
| 16:26.06 | SunSparc | I think the rankings should be weighted with the number of times rated. |
| 16:26.45 | SunSparc | I like, "Squishy and the blades" |
| 16:27.25 | PoeticIntensity | agreed. |
| 16:27.27 | PoeticIntensity | brb |
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| 17:12.58 | undertakingyou | macnewbold: ping |
| 17:16.29 | undertakingyou | Anyone here have any experience with imagick? |
| 17:17.45 | SunSparc | Used it once or twice. |
| 17:17.56 | utahcon | Why not just use the ImageMagick functions? |
| 17:19.19 | mindjuju | i love imagemagick |
| 17:19.27 | jsmith | undertakingyou: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:19.28 | mindjuju | though it's been prolly 4 years since i used it |
| 17:19.46 | mindjuju | but was doing thumbs, watermark, etc, etc |
| 17:19.51 | undertakingyou | I am trying to take a picture uploaded by the user and resize it so that it will load faster. |
| 17:20.19 | PoeticIntensity | hold on a sec... I've done that very thing. |
| 17:20.26 | PoeticIntensity | with imagemagick |
| 17:20.30 | undertakingyou | I thought I needed to use imagick, |
| 17:20.37 | undertakingyou | but if I don't that is cool. |
| 17:20.50 | mindjuju | i thought imagick was an abbrv for imagemagick |
| 17:21.06 | undertakingyou | no, it is a pear module |
| 17:21.13 | undertakingyou | from pecl |
| 17:21.16 | mindjuju | oh |
| 17:21.18 | mindjuju | weird |
| 17:21.24 | utahcon | it is a pecl API for the ImageMagick API |
| 17:21.26 | utahcon | lol |
| 17:21.29 | utahcon | that is built into PHP |
| 17:21.31 | utahcon | ;) |
| 17:21.42 | undertakingyou | utahcon: it doesn't come bundled with php |
| 17:21.50 | undertakingyou | it has to be compiled with it or added later. |
| 17:21.58 | utahcon | oh right... |
| 17:22.04 | utahcon | but the API is there if you enable it. |
| 17:22.06 | utahcon | my bad. |
| 17:22.17 | undertakingyou | but still, I thought I had to use that, and that I could not use imagemagick directly. |
| 17:22.24 | utahcon | to use imagik don't you have to have ImageMagick enabled in PHP? |
| 17:22.35 | mgeary | why not use GD? |
| 17:22.39 | utahcon | mmm GD |
| 17:22.42 | mgeary | i've got a class i can give you that uses GD |
| 17:22.47 | mgeary | does exactly what you're asking |
| 17:22.48 | mgeary | and more |
| 17:23.04 | undertakingyou | mgeary: That would be sweet |
| 17:23.15 | mgeary | do you have GD installed? |
| 17:23.26 | undertakingyou | imagemagick does have to be enabled for imagick |
| 17:23.40 | undertakingyou | mgeary: I don't even know what GD is, but I am a good learner |
| 17:23.52 | mgeary | it's a graphic processing library/extension |
| 17:23.58 | mgeary | http://us2.php.net/gd |
| 17:24.14 | mgeary | very handy |
| 17:24.38 | fungus | see imagecopyresized |
| 17:24.44 | mgeary | yep |
| 17:24.49 | undertakingyou | ok, looking at phpinfo() GD is enabled on the webserver. |
| 17:24.55 | mgeary | but like i say, i've got a class that abstracts much of the resizing stuff |
| 17:24.56 | mgeary | okay |
| 17:24.57 | mgeary | you're all set |
| 17:25.01 | mgeary | hold please |
| 17:25.05 | PoeticIntensity | http://rafb.net/p/73EUW380.html |
| 17:25.07 | undertakingyou | :), thanks. |
| 17:25.45 | fungus | lol, that's one way to use ImageMagick. :) |
| 17:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | pretty hackish, but it works. |
| 17:26.23 | utahcon | anyone played with the image resizing in flourish? |
| 17:26.25 | fungus | But you are using GD to get the image size, that is funny. |
| 17:26.35 | fungus | Why use one library when you can use 2 |
| 17:26.53 | utahcon | don't stop at 2... go for the gusto ... 3 |
| 17:26.56 | PoeticIntensity | true, true. |
| 17:27.02 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 17:27.10 | mgeary | here: |
| 17:27.20 | mgeary | http://www.treelinegroup.com/download/ResizeImage.php.zip |
| 17:27.33 | mgeary | $im_re = new ResizeImage($path_to_input_file); |
| 17:27.33 | mgeary | $img_ref = $im_re->resize_limitwh(80,200,$new_filename); |
| 17:27.56 | mgeary | resize_limitwh will proportionally scale an image to fit the specified "box" |
| 17:28.02 | mgeary | in that case, 80x200 |
| 17:28.13 | mgeary | there are other functions on the class that do related stuff |
| 17:28.18 | undertakingyou | so if I say 150,null, it will just leave the height? |
| 17:28.26 | mgeary | no |
| 17:28.33 | mgeary | if you want to resize just on width... |
| 17:29.17 | mgeary | might not do that |
| 17:29.19 | undertakingyou | sorry, that isn't what I mean, if I say 150,null it will proportionally adjust the height |
| 17:29.21 | mgeary | be easy enough to add |
| 17:29.39 | mgeary | no |
| 17:29.48 | mgeary | it would probably try to fit the image into a box 150x0 |
| 17:29.56 | undertakingyou | oh, |
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| 17:30.27 | mgeary | but surely you have *some* height limit that you could pass |
| 17:30.28 | undertakingyou | but if I say 150,1000 it will proportionally adjust the height, so that is ok. |
| 17:30.30 | mgeary | right |
| 17:30.51 | mgeary | disclaimer: i didn't write the original class, but i've hacked it up quite a bit |
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| 17:31.08 | mgeary | so obviously anything sucky you find in there isn't from me ;) |
| 17:31.14 | undertakingyou | I'll read it through to wrap my head around it and then experiment. |
| 17:31.19 | undertakingyou | :) |
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| 17:36.56 | mindjuju | so anyways, like i was saying about beandog |
| 17:37.00 | mindjuju | err, nevermind |
| 17:37.18 | beandog | heh |
| 17:37.22 | beandog | whot'd I miss |
| 17:37.34 | beandog | ooh that reminds me |
| 17:37.46 | beandog | mindjuju, I found The Outer Limits (complete series) for $30 on a amzon this week |
| 17:37.54 | beandog | and Buck Rogers (complete series, too) for only $20 |
| 17:38.09 | mindjuju | buck rodgers is coo, outer limits never saw |
| 17:38.16 | mindjuju | was more of a twilight zone fan myself |
| 17:38.23 | mgeary | beandog: whoah |
| 17:38.29 | beandog | Ive never seen twilight zone until recently |
| 17:38.29 | mgeary | i'd buy O.L for $30 |
| 17:38.31 | mgeary | where? |
| 17:38.33 | beandog | but I grew up with Outer Limits |
| 17:38.41 | mgeary | i like T.Z too |
| 17:38.57 | beandog | mgeary, http://www.amazon.com/Outer-Limits-Original-Complete-Box/dp/B0016MOWNM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232559524&sr=1-1 |
| 17:39.18 | beandog | Twlight Zone complete series is spendy |
| 17:39.30 | mgeary | indeed |
| 17:39.35 | mgeary | 7 discs for $30 |
| 17:39.36 | mgeary | i'm sold |
| 17:40.16 | mgeary | ordered. thanks, beandog |
| 17:40.20 | beandog | heh |
| 17:40.21 | beandog | yahp |
| 17:40.27 | beandog | anyone ever seen the young indiana jones |
| 17:40.30 | beandog | I wonder if thats any good |
| 17:40.31 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:40.32 | mgeary | meh |
| 17:40.37 | mindjuju | didn't think so |
| 17:40.49 | beandog | no? alrightie then |
| 17:41.01 | beandog | I wanna get some of those really old serial movies |
| 17:41.08 | beandog | dick tracy, tarzan, flash gordon, batman |
| 17:41.48 | mindjuju | holy smokes! - http://www.amazon.com/Golden-Girls-Complete-Second-Season/dp/B0007KTBJO/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232559670&sr=1-15 |
| 17:43.26 | mindjuju | for beandog - http://www.amazon.com/Little-Rascals-Complete-Collection/dp/B001CDFY5U/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232559753&sr=1-44 |
| 17:43.34 | beandog | man I hate that show. |
| 17:43.44 | mindjuju | never saw it |
| 17:43.50 | beandog | well, not hate, never liked. |
| 17:43.57 | mindjuju | twas Leave it to Beaver for me |
| 17:44.04 | beandog | oh gosh. |
| 17:45.25 | beandog | some of this stuff is gonna be in public domain son |
| 17:45.26 | beandog | soon |
| 17:45.38 | beandog | well, 15 years or so. |
| 17:47.32 | herlo | no, it won't! |
| 17:47.46 | herlo | someone will just extend the copyright terms again |
| 17:48.15 | beandog | I'm kind of optimistic that it won't get changed as easily again. |
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| 17:52.19 | mindjuju | zoinks! |
| 17:52.29 | mindjuju | @beandog - http://www.amazon.com/Gilligans-Island-Collection-Bob-Denver/dp/B000X07QSQ/ref=sr_1_139?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232560320&sr=1-139 |
| 17:52.40 | mindjuju | hey beandog, have you ever seen avatar airbender |
| 17:52.43 | beandog | oh *gosh* |
| 17:52.44 | mindjuju | is it any good? |
| 17:52.46 | beandog | youre not getting any better. |
| 17:53.01 | mindjuju | wait dude, i found it |
| 17:53.07 | beandog | mindjuju, eh ... I watched some of it, didnt really catch my attention, but I'm *really* picky about my animation. |
| 17:53.08 | mindjuju | freakin' holy grail here on amazon |
| 17:53.11 | mindjuju | can't beleive it. |
| 17:53.13 | mindjuju | http://www.amazon.com/Kung-Fu-Collection-Gordon-Hessler/dp/B000X07TLA/ref=sr_1_141?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1232560320&sr=1-141 |
| 17:53.31 | beandog | mindjuju, kung fu collection? what is that |
| 17:53.59 | mindjuju | you don't know what Kung Fu, the tv series is? |
| 17:54.17 | mindjuju | with david carradine ? |
| 17:55.05 | herlo | that was a fun series |
| 17:55.32 | beandog | mindjuju, never heard of it |
| 17:55.50 | SunSparc | What is Kung Fu?!?! You have never heard of Kung Fu? Classic tv series. |
| 17:56.00 | SunSparc | How old are you beandog? |
| 17:56.06 | beandog | almost 33 |
| 17:56.12 | SunSparc | Lol |
| 17:56.44 | SunSparc | Your town must have just missed putting that show on the airwaves for you. |
| 17:57.34 | fungus | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2013786&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=30098&lid=674094 |
| 17:57.39 | SunSparc | I always thought it was cool how he could shave his head so well with a straight blade by himself. |
| 17:57.45 | fungus | 1.5TB External USB hard drive $149 |
| 17:58.00 | beandog | ooh |
| 17:58.12 | mindjuju | i actually just read something about seagate drives having a firmware issue |
| 17:58.19 | beandog | oh thats right |
| 17:58.21 | mindjuju | possible bricking on 1T + drives |
| 17:58.25 | beandog | it was the barracudas |
| 17:58.28 | mindjuju | which scares me cause i just bought 2 |
| 17:59.11 | tierra | yeah, that wasn't good news, especially after the whole firmware issues on 1.5TB barracudas too |
| 17:59.23 | tierra | the write cache freezes |
| 18:00.05 | mindjuju | i've got to check if mine are in the LOT |
| 18:00.59 | tierra | ST31500341AS <- those need firmware upgrades if they're running SD15,SD17,SD19 fw |
| 18:01.23 | beandog | that reminds me, anyone used XFS? |
| 18:01.56 | fungus | I used XFS way back before ext3 |
| 18:02.08 | fungus | Not for anything high performance though |
| 18:05.05 | fungus | FYI, that external drive I linked to is not affected by the firmware bug |
| 18:05.15 | SunSparc | Just got me a new 100TB drive to backup my iTunes library. |
| 18:05.20 | beandog | fungus, its a different model, right? |
| 18:05.25 | fungus | right |
| 18:05.31 | beandog | SunSparc, 100 *tera*byte? |
| 18:05.51 | fungus | $149 for 1.5 TB external, I haven't seen a better deal yet. |
| 18:05.52 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:06.08 | beandog | fungus, yah, me either. Im waiting for WD to come out with some internal ones. |
| 18:06.14 | SunSparc | Yeah, I know, I am dreaming. But someday that may be our conversation. |
| 18:06.35 | SunSparc | Yeah, I got this new 500TB thumb drive. It rocks. |
| 18:06.45 | fungus | lol |
| 18:07.40 | tierra | yeah, only really fits 5 or 6 holodeck programs though |
| 18:08.07 | SunSparc | Yeah, I know, it is a small one. But really, on the road, I only need a couple holodeck programs. |
| 18:08.34 | SunSparc | lol, state the nature of your medical emergency |
| 18:09.38 | beandog | I was just thinking of that one Voyager episode this morning, where the Doctor is the town priest in the holodec |
| 18:09.42 | beandog | hilarious. :) |
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| 18:10.13 | fungus | ~Voyager++ |
| 18:11.17 | SunSparc | ~Voyager++ |
| 18:11.24 | beandog | ~janeway |
| 18:11.33 | beandog | jbot, janeway is hawt |
| 18:11.34 | jbot | beandog: okay |
| 18:11.34 | SunSparc | That was another one of those shows that I was initially skeptical about and did not want to watch cause I thought it would be lame. |
| 18:11.36 | beandog | ~janeway |
| 18:11.37 | jbot | janeway is probably hawt |
| 18:11.56 | beandog | SunSparc, yah ... you gotta watch them in order, and then it just rawks |
| 18:12.03 | beandog | kinda like DS9 |
| 18:12.04 | SunSparc | lol, well, I probably would not go that far. Janeway maybe, 7of9 definitely. |
| 18:12.29 | beandog | ~karma voyager |
| 18:12.29 | jbot | voyager has karma of 2 |
| 18:12.32 | beandog | ~voyager++ |
| 18:12.33 | SunSparc | Yeah, I love all the Star Treks. |
| 18:12.56 | beandog | jbot, SunSparc also <3 7of9 |
| 18:13.05 | SunSparc | LOL |
| 18:13.12 | beandog | jbot, SunSparc is also <3 7of9 |
| 18:13.13 | jbot | okay, beandog |
| 18:13.16 | beandog | ~SunSparc |
| 18:13.17 | jbot | well, sunsparc is A pandimensional being, or the internationalization specialist, or currently studying String Theory, or <3 7of9 |
| 18:13.26 | SunSparc | jbot, beandog also <3 Janeway |
| 18:13.31 | beandog | nooooes |
| 18:21.12 | SunSparc | ~beandog |
| 18:21.12 | jbot | hmm... beandog is the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one |
| 18:21.32 | beandog | gotta do "is also" |
| 18:21.35 | SunSparc | Yeah |
| 18:22.05 | SunSparc | ~beandog |
| 18:22.05 | jbot | beandog is, like, the gentoo guru, or a wannabe racer. a skater. the enlightened one, or <3 Janeway |
| 18:22.10 | SunSparc | heh |
| 18:22.18 | beandog | no argument here! |
| 18:22.19 | beandog | :D |
| 18:24.56 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:27.17 | dataw0lf | Voyager, seriously? |
| 18:31.27 | thebigdog | haha |
| 18:35.52 | synic | dataw0lf: he does use gentoo. |
| 18:36.13 | dataw0lf | but Voyager... and thinking that woman on it is hot?! |
| 18:36.26 | dataw0lf | that's more like a slackware user |
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| 19:07.12 | beandog | man |
| 19:07.16 | beandog | Im in the mood for some MOO2 |
| 19:10.00 | beandog | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090121-seagate-cops-to-widespread-hd-problems-vows-full-support.html |
| 19:14.18 | mindjuju | beandog, you still around? |
| 19:14.28 | beandog | yah whats up |
| 19:15.59 | mindjuju | it's a vid question. if i need to change the size of a video (but not the aspect ratio) would there be quality loss to do it from a rendered avi of the project, or would it be better to do it from within the project and recreate the avi |
| 19:16.10 | mindjuju | i'm thinking right now it depends on the codec that was used in the avi |
| 19:16.35 | beandog | mindjuju, no, they usually look better when they are scaled down |
| 19:16.43 | beandog | assuming you're going to watch it on something really tiny |
| 19:16.54 | utahcon | mindjuju: what is your intended target? |
| 19:16.56 | utahcon | web? |
| 19:17.06 | beandog | whats the original size |
| 19:17.14 | utahcon | what is the format used in your avi? |
| 19:17.16 | beandog | and codec |
| 19:17.19 | beandog | heh |
| 19:17.25 | utahcon | err... yeah codec |
| 19:18.37 | mindjuju | web |
| 19:18.41 | mindjuju | via flv |
| 19:18.51 | mindjuju | original size is 720 x 480 |
| 19:19.15 | mindjuju | codec, i'm going to have to find out |
| 19:19.21 | mindjuju | don't know off hand, i didn't produce it |
| 19:20.51 | beandog | yah, you could cut it in half, I guess. |
| 19:21.03 | beandog | I dunno anything about encoding video for web / streaming |
| 19:34.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.xsharp.org/samples/ |
| 19:34.25 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 19:36.14 | mindjuju | i hate to sound behind the curve, but dataw0lf, is that in production? it looks interesting |
| 19:36.53 | dataw0lf | I don't know. I'm still trying to determine whether it's a joke or not. |
| 19:37.07 | beandog | the power of XML-oriented programming? |
| 19:37.15 | beandog | Because every language needs 95% more metatags! |
| 19:37.58 | utahcon | It only uses 30 statements and four data types (node, string, number, and boolean) to create any application or service you can think of. |
| 19:37.59 | utahcon | really? |
| 19:39.46 | jsmith | Looks serious to me... looks very much like XSL |
| 19:40.02 | jsmith | (and funny thing... I've been writing an XSL transform this morning) |
| 19:40.55 | utahcon | documentation page is broken... but the download works. |
| 19:42.17 | beandog | I dunno |
| 19:42.21 | beandog | I dont think I'd couple XML with *easy* |
| 19:42.52 | beandog | although if its just kind of an abstraction layer, that makes a bit more sense. |
| 19:42.57 | beandog | or something. |
| 19:42.57 | dataw0lf | I'm so tired of the overuse of XML. |
| 19:43.19 | beandog | hmm, GPL3 |
| 19:43.21 | utahcon | agress with dataw0lf |
| 19:43.30 | utahcon | s/agress/agrees/ |
| 19:43.34 | jsmith | dataw0lf: XML has its place... but it does get overused in places |
| 19:44.06 | dataw0lf | jsmith: yea, it has it's place. Just not 90% of the places it's used. |
| 19:44.15 | dataw0lf | hint: *serialization* |
| 19:46.12 | utahcon | mmm cereal |
| 19:48.00 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Well, if you have DTDs, etc... then validation of structured data is a useful application |
| 19:50.33 | dataw0lf | jsmith: Yea. I use a simple schema validation library for JSON in Python. |
| 19:55.11 | beandog | jsmith, for what, work? |
| 19:55.23 | jsmith | beandog: And play :-p |
| 19:55.43 | beandog | jsmith, what kind of stuff are you putting in docbook? |
| 19:55.50 | beandog | oh really? |
| 19:55.51 | beandog | right on, man |
| 19:55.52 | jsmith | beandog: But yeah... most of my DocBook work is for work stuff |
| 19:56.30 | beandog | jsmith, where do youw ork? |
| 19:56.43 | jsmith | beandog: Digium (the company behind Asterisk) |
| 19:57.02 | jsmith | beandog: I run their training department |
| 19:57.59 | beandog | jsmith, oh cool, right on, are they here in utah? |
| 19:57.59 | mgeary | psh |
| 19:58.02 | mgeary | credentials. psh |
| 19:58.11 | dataw0lf | on the east coast, beandog |
| 19:58.11 | beandog | that's my creds |
| 19:58.21 | dataw0lf | jsmith is a new englander nowadays |
| 19:58.26 | mgeary | well now |
| 19:58.27 | beandog | nice. |
| 19:58.29 | mgeary | VA isn't New England |
| 19:58.40 | mgeary | beandog: didn't you know? jsmith lives on a polygamous compound on 80 acres in rural Virginia |
| 19:58.42 | dataw0lf | it isn't? |
| 19:58.50 | beandog | no way |
| 19:58.55 | beandog | Maine, Connecticut is New England |
| 19:58.59 | beandog | Virginia is the South |
| 19:59.02 | mgeary | don't think so. New England is just the very upper northeast-most states |
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| 19:59.13 | beandog | mgeary, lols |
| 19:59.15 | dataw0lf | Hmmm. |
| 20:00.01 | beandog | what makes a compound a compound? |
| 20:00.02 | beandog | I want one |
| 20:00.08 | mgeary | guns and walls |
| 20:00.08 | beandog | concrete walls? barred windows? |
| 20:00.14 | beandog | guns and 25 wives? |
| 20:00.31 | mgeary | the 25 wives make it a *polygamous* compound |
| 20:01.57 | dataw0lf | glowing jesus statues |
| 20:02.21 | dataw0lf | (my aunt and uncle live on a compound in eastern Washington and they have a large, gaudy glowing jesus statue. It's pretty much the awesomest thing I've ever seen). |
| 20:02.40 | beandog | where do you even buy that stuff |
| 20:02.42 | beandog | flea markets? |
| 20:09.55 | dataw0lf | I have absolutely no idea or I'd have one. |
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| 20:23.57 | mgeary | hey, anyone here on Qwest DLS? |
| 20:23.59 | mgeary | DSL |
| 20:24.10 | fungus | DSL + Xmission here |
| 20:24.14 | mgeary | same |
| 20:24.58 | mgeary | we've been having to reboot our Cisco 678 router almost daily lately. Our internet is fine until boom, it stops working. A router reboot works fine, but it's getting frequent enough to be annoying |
| 20:25.15 | mgeary | seen anything like that? |
| 20:25.21 | fungus | I had that same problem. |
| 20:25.32 | mgeary | time for a new router? firmware upgrade? |
| 20:25.53 | fungus | DSL line was throwing lots of errors |
| 20:26.08 | mgeary | what's the fix? |
| 20:26.22 | fungus | the real fix is to contact Qwest to fix the errors. |
| 20:26.38 | mgeary | how can i help them substantiate the issue? |
| 20:26.38 | fungus | But a new router can make those errors less problematic |
| 20:26.55 | jsmith | mgeary: I had that problem a couple of years ago... turns out it was a combination of overloaded upload on the DSL, plus bad line card in the CO |
| 20:27.01 | fungus | Any newer router should be able to handle the CRC errors and such. |
| 20:27.39 | fungus | I switched back to my Craptiontec until Qwest fixed the line. |
| 20:27.50 | mgeary | how did you get them to fix it? |
| 20:28.03 | utahcon | how did you determine the CRC errors? |
| 20:28.06 | mgeary | were they able to confirm an issue over the phone? |
| 20:28.07 | fungus | Called them, and gave them the info |
| 20:28.18 | mgeary | what info? just description of symptoms? |
| 20:28.18 | fungus | Actiontec's have a pretty detailed WAN status page |
| 20:28.28 | fungus | and the Cisco 678 can get the info too |
| 20:28.31 | mgeary | how? |
| 20:28.37 | fungus | show int wan0-0 or something like that |
| 20:28.40 | mgeary | sec |
| 20:28.45 | fungus | perhaps it was show int wan0 |
| 20:31.52 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:31.57 | mgeary | "Interleaved Symbols with CRC Errors" ? |
| 20:32.18 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/111594/ |
| 20:32.24 | mgeary | Header Error Check Counter Interleaved: 32768 |
| 20:32.25 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:32.30 | mgeary | Count of Severely Errored Frames: 65280 |
| 20:32.31 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:33.00 | fungus | yeah, that doesn't sound too good. |
| 20:33.02 | jsmith | mgeary: YEah, sounds like line errors |
| 20:33.12 | jsmith | mgeary: You could reset the stats, then see how quickly they climb |
| 20:33.19 | mgeary | which one(s) of those are most compelling? |
| 20:33.43 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.50 | jsmith | "Severly errored frames" |
| 20:33.55 | fungus | both. |
| 20:34.11 | fungus | All of that data may be useful to a qwest tech |
| 20:35.27 | fungus | Do you have another router of any kind on hand you could plug in for testing? |
| 20:35.41 | fungus | It's possible they may just give you the "not supported" brush off. |
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| 20:43.43 | mgeary | apparently clearing stats disrupts the connection |
| 20:44.05 | mgeary | so, they're giving me the old, "well, normally we see some things here if there are problems in the line..." |
| 20:44.43 | mgeary | anyone know what "Interleaved RS Corrected Bytes" reflects? That's counted up to 7. Is that something i can beat them up with? |
| 20:44.59 | mgeary | i've also got Interleaved Symbols with CRC Errors at 2 |
| 20:47.12 | fungus | Corrected Bytes is not a big deal. CRC errors is an issue if it increments fast. |
| 20:47.12 | fungus | only 2 isn't a big deal |
| 20:47.12 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:47.12 | jsmith | Anything more than a hundred or so per hour is a big deal |
| 20:47.12 | mgeary | what's "fast" ? |
| 20:47.12 | mgeary | and what weight should i place on Local versus Remote? |
| 20:47.12 | jsmith | none |
| 20:47.12 | mgeary | 'cause before i cleared the stats, i had 2 local CRC errors, but 65k remote ones |
| 20:47.18 | mgeary | think it's those remote errors that are causing the problem? |
| 20:48.09 | fungus | both are a big deal, but if they are all local, you could try swapping out the router with another one. Just in case. |
| 20:48.18 | unum | they could have been from a past issue, so watch and see if it keeps going up |
| 20:50.18 | mgeary | hey, undertakingyou, did that ResizeImage class work out for you? |
| 20:54.28 | SunSparc | Sooooo, Xdebug vs Zend Debugger?? |
| 20:54.51 | mgeary | never used Z.D., but i love xdebug |
| 20:55.15 | mgeary | btw, "Interleaved RS Corrected Bytes" has jumped from zero to 65280 |
| 20:55.19 | mgeary | should i care about that? |
| 20:55.47 | mgeary | that must be some sort of max number, since that's also the count i used to have of "Severely Errored Frames" and "Interleaved Symbols with CRC Errors" |
| 20:55.54 | SunSparc | mgeary: What IDE do you use? Or do you? |
| 20:56.04 | mgeary | TextMate & BBedit |
| 20:56.06 | mgeary | no formal IDE |
| 20:56.35 | SunSparc | Good to know. |
| 20:58.52 | dataw0lf | TextMate++ |
| 20:59.08 | mgeary | except with diffs |
| 20:59.29 | mgeary | if TM could do diffs like BBedit, i'd be fully on board |
| 20:59.55 | jsmith | mgeary: If the number suddenly jumped to 65k, that's a big deal |
| 21:00.36 | mgeary | well, the lady i'm talking to just glossed over it |
| 21:02.13 | jsmith | mgeary: She's not a tech... she's a filter. Don't get filtered out! |
| 21:02.27 | mgeary | too late |
| 21:02.34 | dataw0lf | mgeary: how does it do diffs? |
| 21:02.51 | jsmith | mgeary: Let me guess "We'll send a tech out, but if it's a problem in your home wiring, we'll charge you!" |
| 21:03.29 | mgeary | dataw0lf: http://www.treelinegroup.com/download/bbdiff.png |
| 21:03.36 | mgeary | jsmith: pretty much |
| 21:03.59 | mgeary | best diff interface i've ever had |
| 21:05.40 | mgeary | but the TM creator doesn't believe diff capabilities should be part of a text editor |
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| 21:18.07 | mindjuju | wow, stock market looks like it might end up +279 |
| 21:18.16 | mindjuju | goog went up +20 |
| 21:19.00 | unum | buying some open source stock right now might not be a bad idia |
| 21:19.02 | unum | idea |
| 21:20.55 | jsmith | Well... the whole "stock market going up" is only good if you're selling, and not buying |
| 21:21.00 | mindjuju | what other companies do open source and are on the exchange |
| 21:21.05 | mindjuju | besides rht ? |
| 21:21.18 | jsmith | If you're buying, you want it to go down, right? |
| 21:21.32 | SunSparc | Is not the Treeline Group on the exchange? |
| 21:21.39 | mindjuju | well, you want it to be down when you buy |
| 21:21.45 | mgeary | we're on a very exclusive listing |
| 21:21.53 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:22.15 | mindjuju | who was it that bought mysql? |
| 21:22.17 | jsmith | mindjuju: Exactly... and since I'm still doing a lot more buying than selling, I just think of yesterday as a 5% off sale :-p |
| 21:22.21 | jsmith | mindjuju: sun |
| 21:22.34 | mindjuju | oh yeah, thx |
| 21:23.14 | mgeary | jsmith: i hear ya, though we've elected to put more discretionary cash into investment property lately |
| 21:23.16 | jsmith | mindjuju: Always happy to help with the trivia questions :-p |
| 21:24.30 | mindjuju | oh THAT is funny |
| 21:24.46 | mindjuju | sun's abbrv is JAVA |
| 21:25.07 | SunSparc | Longer than SUN |
| 21:25.33 | SunSparc | Not really an abbreviation then, is it. |
| 21:25.36 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:25.47 | mindjuju | yeah, but not for Sun Microsystems, Inc. |
| 21:25.55 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 21:44.24 | itimber | sup guys |
| 21:45.41 | mgeary | and well you should |
| 21:45.48 | mgeary | lands alive |
| 21:45.55 | itimber | haha |
| 21:46.19 | itimber | "lands alive" ...that's something my grandma would say |
| 21:46.49 | mgeary | and i'll bet she gives a mean tongue lashing as well |
| 21:47.01 | itimber | fo sho |
| 21:48.30 | SunSparc | Wow -> http://www.98bravo.com/ |
| 21:49.13 | mgeary | psh. |
| 21:50.08 | SunSparc | Do you give demonstrations? mgeary? |
| 21:50.32 | mgeary | sure. sit still for a minute |
| 21:50.37 | mgeary | stop moving your head |
| 21:50.51 | SunSparc | jbot, mgeary is also "psh" is his favorite thing to say |
| 21:50.52 | jbot | go do something useful |
| 21:50.56 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 21:51.02 | mgeary | ~pwn SunSparc |
| 21:51.03 | jbot | ACTION logs into the machine SunSparc is sitting at and pulls a fast one. |
| 21:51.10 | SunSparc | ~lart mgeary |
| 21:51.10 | jbot | cuts off mgeary's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 21:51.42 | SunSparc | jbot, why so gory? |
| 21:51.43 | jbot | why not? |
| 21:51.46 | SunSparc | Good point |
| 21:52.41 | mgeary | hey, thebigdog |
| 21:52.56 | thebigdog | yes |
| 21:52.58 | dataw0lf | http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170293840864&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:MOTORS:1123#ht_11957wt_1030 |
| 21:53.02 | dataw0lf | awesome. |
| 21:53.19 | mgeary | how can i bump the overall memory and heap size of a Java VM |
| 21:53.23 | mgeary | ? |
| 21:53.31 | thebigdog | like what is in use? |
| 21:54.02 | mgeary | i've got some Red5 issues that someone thinks may be memory related |
| 21:54.11 | mgeary | that was the suggestion i got |
| 21:54.38 | thebigdog | you need to increase the memory stuff |
| 21:54.59 | dataw0lf | mgeary: use -Xmx |
| 21:55.42 | thebigdog | -Xms768M -Xmx1024M -XX:MaxPermSize=256m |
| 21:55.47 | thebigdog | just change the numbers |
| 21:55.52 | thebigdog | ms is that start |
| 21:55.56 | thebigdog | mx = max |
| 21:56.07 | thebigdog | and perm size is the heap |
| 21:56.12 | thebigdog | max of heap is 256m |
| 21:56.38 | thebigdog | max heap is where objects are created on the fly |
| 21:56.49 | thebigdog | when classes are generated inside the jvm |
| 22:02.45 | mgeary | so... |
| 22:02.53 | mgeary | i can add those to this: |
| 22:02.56 | mgeary | exec "$JAVA" "$JYTHON" -Dred5.root="$RED5_HOME" $JAVA_OPTS -cp "$RED5_HOME/red5.jar:$RED5_HOME/conf:$RED5_HOME/lib/ejb3-persistence.jar" "$RED5_MAINCLASS" $RED5_OPTS 1>log/stdout.log 2>log/stderr.log |
| 22:02.58 | mgeary | ? |
| 22:05.25 | thebigdog | you can add it to your env variable $JAVA_OPTS |
| 22:05.34 | thebigdog | wherever that gets set |
| 22:05.43 | thebigdog | or add those after $JAVA_OPTS |
| 22:05.55 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 22:05.57 | mgeary | trying that now |
| 22:06.04 | thebigdog | you might have them being set in java opts now |
| 22:06.07 | thebigdog | but with low values |
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| 22:17.12 | orsonj | Who in the group is good with cake? |
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| 22:17.30 | orsonj | I might need someone to help me get a project up and going quickly |
| 22:19.14 | jsmith | orsonj: When you find out, let me know... I need to get up to speed in it as well |
| 22:22.20 | orsonj | Well, I know DexterTheDragon and _psychic_ are, but I'm not sure about anyone else. I may need to find someone to put something together quick. (paid) |
| 22:23.06 | DexterTheDragon | orsonj: got a specific question? |
| 22:23.48 | orsonj | I have a project I'm working on, and I think it would be quicker for someone like you to convert the bulk of it to cake and then I'd continue tinkering and changing things as time goes on. |
| 22:24.41 | orsonj | I'm not sure if they would prefer working directly with someone, or have me subcontract it, or if it really isn't that urgent and I can take the time to figure it out on my own. |
| 22:25.29 | orsonj | It's already php, but they have a tendancy to request things be changed around, data fields added, changed, etc. |
| 22:33.22 | mgeary | hey fungus |
| 22:44.34 | fungus | hey mgeary |
| 22:45.24 | mgeary | hey, fixed my problem. For the record, i had accidentally used ifconfig to set an ip alias on a machine, but the IP was already in use. I used -alias, but i still had to go to the other machine and re-establish it |
| 22:46.13 | fungus | doh |
| 22:46.16 | fungus | good job |
| 22:54.56 | mindjuju | ~lart macnewbold |
| 22:54.56 | jbot | squishes macnewbold like a bug |
| 22:55.07 | orsonj | ping DexterTheDragon (pm) |
| 22:55.15 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 22:55.15 | jbot | cuts mindjuju into thin stripes |
| 22:55.28 | macnewbold | orsonj: pong on behalf of DexterTheDragon |
| 22:55.30 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 22:55.31 | macnewbold | he's sitting next to me |
| 22:56.13 | orsonj | I'm going over to talk about this project and was wondering if we could call to talk about it. |
| 22:56.56 | macnewbold | cool |
| 22:57.49 | orsonj | pm me a phone# i could call in 10 minutes |
| 22:58.39 | macnewbold | we're actually both in a phone meeting right now, and I'm not sure it will be done in 10min. (at the rate she's going, we'll finish closer to 4:30pm |
| 23:00.54 | itimber | I'm out guys.... mgeary, note the time :) |
| 23:08.38 | orsonj | gotcha |
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| 23:44.46 | mgeary | hey, i used to have this problem where ssh-ing into a machine would produce a 30-second lag before i'd get in |
| 23:45.00 | mgeary | i searched around, and found the reason (seems like it was DNS-related) |
| 23:45.10 | mgeary | but now i'm seeing that again, and i can't recall the solution. Any ideas? |
| 23:46.23 | unum | turn off reverse dns look up |
| 23:46.32 | unum | on the server side |
| 23:46.42 | mgeary | how? |
| 23:49.43 | unum | looks like : VerifyReverseMapping no |
| 23:50.12 | mgeary | i'm not sure this is serverside. i even get it when telnet-ing into my cisco router |
| 23:53.42 | unum | well the issue could be that your client side network doesn't support reverse dns |
| 23:53.50 | unum | if you have control over that you should fix that |
| 23:54.41 | unum | but if you can't there are ways to tell your linux servers not to worry about it |
| 23:55.05 | unum | you could also add an entry to the host file for your ip |
| 23:55.18 | mgeary | well, i'm ssh-ing via ip address |
| 23:55.27 | mgeary | so perhaps it's not DNS related |
| 23:55.46 | unum | it still does a reverse look up on your client ip |
| 23:56.22 | unum | the easiest way to check is to log into the server and run host on your client ip |
| 23:56.38 | unum | by client ip I mean the ip as the server sees it |
| 23:56.42 | mgeary | right |
| 23:56.51 | mgeary | and indeed, i'm getting a big delay |
| 23:56.55 | mgeary | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 23:57.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.flickr.com/photos/29939004@N04/3216776950/sizes/l/ |
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| 23:58.20 | mgeary | so rather than turn off reverse DNS lookup, can i fix why my server can't "host" my client IP? |
