| 00:00.00 | beandog | own |
| 00:00.00 | mindjuju | don't give them any ideas |
| 00:00.10 | thebigdog | mgeary, did you get my comments |
| 00:00.18 | mindjuju | i don't know about you guys, but i could use a bailout |
| 00:00.28 | Utah_Dave | exactly |
| 00:00.34 | Utah_Dave | everybody wants a bailout now |
| 00:00.43 | beandog | well its basically free money |
| 00:00.47 | beandog | with little oversight |
| 00:01.10 | Utah_Dave | it's stupid. All those companies should go bankrupt |
| 00:01.39 | beandog | lol |
| 00:01.42 | beandog | cant touch this |
| 00:01.58 | beandog | mmm, Western Family. |
| 00:02.03 | beandog | Theres another conspiracy |
| 00:02.17 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 00:02.26 | beandog | You know what my big thing has been lately? To try and buy food without high fructose corn syrup in it |
| 00:02.26 | mindjuju | something wrong with the Western Family Corn in a Can? |
| 00:02.29 | beandog | its freaking *everywhere* |
| 00:02.54 | mindjuju | Corn in the Can doesn't have HFC in it, does it? |
| 00:02.55 | beandog | even in bread, of all things. |
| 00:03.00 | beandog | the water will, yah |
| 00:03.12 | beandog | well, maybe not *corn* |
| 00:03.17 | beandog | but stuff like pears, etc. |
| 00:03.22 | beandog | would definately have it |
| 00:03.28 | mindjuju | oh yeah, fruit in a can prolly does |
| 00:03.48 | beandog | its a conspiracy to keep me on a constant sugar high |
| 00:03.59 | mindjuju | that pesky corn and its syrupy ways! |
| 00:04.01 | beandog | which, I manage to accomplish well enough on my own, thank you |
| 00:04.22 | beandog | mindjuju, seriously though, it literally is in every food you buy |
| 00:04.53 | beandog | I have a really hard time finding anything that doesnt have it |
| 00:05.18 | mindjuju | like menudo in a can (w/ hominy) |
| 00:06.15 | mindjuju | Utah_Dave, your a contractor for the National Guard, no? |
| 00:07.10 | beandog | ~menudo mindjuju |
| 00:07.10 | jbot | ACTION recruits mindjuju into an never-ending puerto rican boy band to work for tween fanfare and burritos |
| 00:07.46 | SunSparc | lol |
| 00:07.53 | mindjuju | you know you like Menudo |
| 00:07.58 | SunSparc | I do |
| 00:08.07 | SunSparc | Used to eat it all the time in the Philippines. |
| 00:08.13 | mindjuju | with a little bit of lemon, yum |
| 00:08.13 | beandog | bleh |
| 00:08.15 | beandog | I cant stand beans |
| 00:08.21 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 00:08.29 | SunSparc | Menudo does not have beans |
| 00:08.31 | mindjuju | ain't no beans in menudo , |
| 00:08.34 | beandog | oh it doesnt? |
| 00:08.35 | mindjuju | just hominy |
| 00:08.36 | beandog | oh, n/m |
| 00:08.38 | beandog | whats hominy |
| 00:08.41 | beandog | grits? |
| 00:08.43 | _psychic_ | big corn |
| 00:08.46 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 00:08.47 | SunSparc | I always had it with potatoes |
| 00:08.49 | beandog | big corn? |
| 00:09.05 | beandog | eww |
| 00:09.08 | beandog | that looks really gross. |
| 00:09.16 | mindjuju | hominy does or menudo? |
| 00:09.23 | beandog | hominy |
| 00:09.30 | mindjuju | it's good in soup |
| 00:09.33 | mindjuju | like Menudo |
| 00:09.37 | beandog | I cant even type it. |
| 00:10.32 | mindjuju | so about the National Guard though, this article about the pentagon sending 20k troops to the US interior seems kinda wrong to me - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/30/AR2008113002217.html?hpid=topnews |
| 00:11.35 | beandog | how much longer til Bush is out? |
| 00:11.44 | unum | jan 20th |
| 00:11.58 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: it's called getting ready for Martial Law |
| 00:12.04 | mindjuju | yeah, scary |
| 00:12.14 | mindjuju | the thing that is really curious though is this |
| 00:12.21 | _psychic_ | oh but it makes you safer, mindjuju |
| 00:12.23 | beandog | _psychic_, exactly thats what I was thinking |
| 00:12.28 | mindjuju | The long-planned shift in the Defense Department's role in homeland security was recently backed with funding and troop commitments after years of prodding by Congress |
| 00:12.42 | beandog | Im just wondering when were gonna start needing to give ID to pass the state lines |
| 00:12.52 | _psychic_ | papers, please. |
| 00:13.02 | mindjuju | ugh, reminds me of when I lived in China |
| 00:13.07 | unum | the national guard is a modification of the state militua system we used to have |
| 00:13.22 | mindjuju | have to show papers at checkpoints and when ever police felt like it |
| 00:13.29 | mindjuju | but not terribly often, just often enough though |
| 00:13.36 | beandog | mindjuju, maybe they just wanted a/s/l |
| 00:13.37 | unum | beandog: you need to give idea if you travel my bus,train, or plane |
| 00:13.59 | unum | you also have to show papers when ever police feel like it |
| 00:14.00 | beandog | unum, really? I knew plane, not the other two |
| 00:14.12 | beandog | unum, Im not sure about *that* one |
| 00:14.24 | beandog | were not required to even have papers on us |
| 00:14.27 | unum | they've talked about the other two. I'm not sure if they implemented it |
| 00:14.28 | beandog | er, id. |
| 00:14.30 | unum | I don't use them |
| 00:14.32 | mindjuju | oh well, freedom was fun while it lasted |
| 00:14.39 | unum | if you have id on you, you need to show it |
| 00:14.51 | mindjuju | i'm going to miss driving to Texas without having to talk to anybody about it or clearing it with anybody |
| 00:14.54 | unum | I drive so often I always have id on me |
| 00:14.56 | beandog | well, screw that |
| 00:15.03 | unum | plus I often need it to buy stuff |
| 00:15.13 | beandog | Ill get throw in jail and never heard of again |
| 00:15.35 | unum | I think their was ruling about it a while back, I don't know how the apeals went |
| 00:16.00 | beandog | Ill just go live on an indian reservation |
| 00:16.08 | beandog | and let my underage kids get drunk. |
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| 00:17.52 | unum | http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2004/02/62438 |
| 00:18.06 | beandog | wired threat level is awesome |
| 00:25.40 | Jacob_Kerr | We should take down some credit card building like in Fight Club! Muhahaha! J/K.. |
| 00:27.52 | mgeary | heading out early tonight. later folks |
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| 00:28.30 | beandog | 5:30 is early? |
| 00:29.00 | SunSparc | If you are on military time. |
| 00:29.22 | beandog | heh |
| 00:41.01 | Jacob_Kerr | <---- Looking forward to chip implants |
| 00:48.09 | SunSparc | later yallz |
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| 03:08.24 | beandog | mmm, brownies |
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| 15:31.40 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 15:36.38 | SunSparc | I mean, good morning mindjuju. |
| 15:36.55 | mindjuju | sup SunSparc |
| 15:37.11 | SunSparc | Just Caking some PHP. |
| 15:37.58 | mindjuju | i'm not into frameworks so much, but i downloaded cake the other day along with Zen to give them a once over |
| 15:38.16 | SunSparc | And? |
| 15:38.30 | mindjuju | oh, haven't done my critical review yet |
| 15:38.37 | mindjuju | just saying i'm headed in that direction |
| 15:39.54 | SunSparc | ~CakePHP++ |
| 15:39.58 | SunSparc | ~karma cakephp |
| 15:39.58 | jbot | cakephp has karma of 3 |
| 15:40.07 | SunSparc | ~karma zend |
| 15:40.07 | jbot | zend has neutral karma |
| 15:40.16 | mindjuju | hmmm |
| 15:40.18 | SunSparc | ~karma your momma |
| 15:40.18 | jbot | your momma has neutral karma |
| 15:40.18 | mindjuju | very telling |
| 15:40.31 | SunSparc | Seriously. Even jbot knows. |
| 15:51.53 | carmony | Good morning |
| 16:09.06 | SunSparc | Morning carmony |
| 16:09.41 | carmony | how is everyone today? |
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| 16:26.43 | mindjuju | k, maybe i misjudged the guy - Obama ain't having no girly dog - http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/11/_no_girly_dog_excuse.html |
| 16:28.34 | mindjuju | though, i think he incorrectly stigmatizes Lhasas, i don't have a yard for a golden retriever, but wanted an excellent sentinel, good with kids, intelligent, not yappy and doesn't require a big yard |
| 16:35.49 | Utah_Dave | ~stigmatize Lhasas |
| 16:36.15 | mindjuju | ~poo utah_Dave |
| 16:36.16 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at utah_Dave |
| 16:36.28 | mindjuju | and his barky chihuahua |
| 16:37.30 | Utah_Dave | correction: barky Cairn Terrier |
| 16:38.03 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:38.17 | mindjuju | i was going to say irish terrier |
| 16:38.24 | mindjuju | twas just a guess |
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| 17:01.32 | SunSparc | ~meow |
| 17:01.33 | jbot | jbot: woem |
| 17:04.12 | SunSparc | Defrag. |
| 17:04.28 | mindjuju | funny, huh? |
| 17:04.44 | SunSparc | Not really the same as Windows, but in essence there is a bit of defragging. |
| 17:06.31 | _psychic_ | It happens during installation processes. |
| 17:06.43 | _psychic_ | when you see "optimizing the installation" |
| 17:06.45 | _psychic_ | etc. |
| 17:07.37 | SunSparc | Unix/Linux filesystems are not at messy as windows ones. |
| 17:08.37 | mindjuju | talking about defrag, i just remembered i meant to defrag a box over turkeyday because i thought it would take so long |
| 17:08.47 | mindjuju | guess i'll start it on Friday instead |
| 17:09.59 | SunSparc | Good luck with that. |
| 17:13.46 | mgeary | ahh, how nice it is not to have to worry about crap like that |
| 17:14.29 | SunSparc | Amen mgeary! |
| 17:15.15 | SunSparc | Defragging, scandisking, virus scanning, malware checking, spyware checking, blah blah blah. |
| 17:15.33 | mgeary | reinstalling your OS every 6 months |
| 17:15.40 | SunSparc | Yep. |
| 17:15.43 | mindjuju | low punch there mgeary |
| 17:15.52 | mindjuju | plus, i only do it once every 18 months |
| 17:15.57 | SunSparc | mindjuju, it is true though. |
| 17:16.29 | SunSparc | Not being able to terminate applications that are behaving badly. |
| 17:16.46 | SunSparc | We don't even need to mention bsod. |
| 17:18.07 | fungus | Although don't talk about the crazy mac users that feel the need to "Repair Permissions" daily |
| 17:18.16 | mgeary | or zap the pram |
| 17:18.22 | mgeary | or rebuild the desktop |
| 17:18.35 | mgeary | "my email wasn't working, but i rebuilt the desktop, and that seems to have fixed it!" |
| 17:18.37 | mgeary | psh |
| 17:18.48 | fungus | lol |
| 17:18.54 | SunSparc | rebuilt the desktop? |
| 17:19.07 | SunSparc | Never heard of that one. |
| 17:19.12 | mgeary | SunSparc: on older macs you hold down Option+Command on startup and it will rebuild the desktop DB |
| 17:19.20 | mgeary | ~wetbehindtheears SunSparc |
| 17:19.24 | _psychic_ | I remember those days. |
| 17:19.27 | SunSparc | Ah, nice |
| 17:19.31 | _psychic_ | I haven't repaired perms in a loooong time. |
| 17:19.37 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:19.49 | SunSparc | permission checking is a rare thing |
| 17:19.53 | fungus | And if you don't screw with your perms, you don't need to repair them |
| 17:19.54 | mgeary | i actually just *use* my computers |
| 17:21.21 | dataw0lf | well. I do rootkit checks and the like on my macs all the time. |
| 17:21.30 | fungus | In Windows defense, it sure makes the learning curve small. Except in the case of Exchange |
| 17:21.58 | _psychic_ | I don't think Windows is significantly harder or easier than OS X to learn. |
| 17:22.08 | SunSparc | I agree |
| 17:22.10 | _psychic_ | Linux is getting close in some cases. |
| 17:22.34 | mgeary | dataw0lf: i'm curious how you check for rootkits on your Mac |
| 17:22.36 | SunSparc | For the average user, they are all about the same. Surfing the web and checking email |
| 17:23.13 | fungus | Exchange requires a bigger learning curve than sendmail, openldap, and mysql combined. |
| 17:23.52 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Um, in a variety of ways. Checksum scans, wtmp/utmp checks, the like. |
| 17:23.54 | SunSparc | Windows is the only Virus that has ever been installed on a Mac that has actually made any headway. |
| 17:23.56 | dataw0lf | Just like any other Unix box. |
| 17:26.44 | dataw0lf | on 10.5 there isn't actual wtmp/utmp logs like a Unix box, it's handled by asl but you can check /var/log/asl.db in a similar way |
| 17:27.41 | dataw0lf | and I think the OS X community is making a huge mistake to think they're invulnerable to virii. |
| 17:29.05 | dataw0lf | when OS X hits the areas that virus writers want to hit, they'll be hit just like anything else. |
| 17:29.36 | dataw0lf | right now there's no pull to, y'know, bot college students and artists. |
| 17:29.56 | dataw0lf | but there are PoCs out there, and they'll hit when OS X gets enough traction to make it worthwhile to implement them. |
| 17:31.22 | SunSparc | I guess we will tackle that if/when it happens. For now though, I am happy not worrying about virii. |
| 17:31.49 | dataw0lf | didn't Apple just reverse their statement about shrugging off antivirus software to recommending it? |
| 17:31.53 | dataw0lf | They may know something you don't. |
| 17:32.08 | SunSparc | I am positive they do. |
| 17:32.15 | SunSparc | There is much I do not know. |
| 17:33.22 | mgeary | dataw0lf: turns out that wasn't recent |
| 17:33.28 | mgeary | did you see gizmodo's comment on that? |
| 17:34.02 | dataw0lf | no, I just overheard it at work. I don't pay attention to something like that, my macs ain't getting exploited any time soon. |
| 17:38.01 | SunSparc | Any Mac boys here know of any good gui database schema tools? |
| 17:38.44 | mgeary | none that actually then facilitate creation of said DB |
| 17:38.58 | SunSparc | I recently learned about SQLEditor. I like it so much, I bought it. |
| 17:39.09 | SunSparc | Works really well. Active development too. |
| 17:39.25 | dataw0lf | I've heard good things about SQLGrinder don't use those types of tools though. |
| 17:40.11 | dataw0lf | ah schema *diagrams*. Don't know if SQLGrinder offers that. |
| 17:41.28 | SunSparc | Yeah, the diagrams is what I was meaning |
| 17:41.40 | dataw0lf | nice SQLEditor can import/export to Rails migrations. |
| 17:42.01 | SunSparc | I tend to write my schemas in a text editor, but having the diagrams is nice for visualization and when working with others. |
| 17:42.32 | mgeary | that's true |
| 17:42.46 | SunSparc | Yeah, SQLEditor actually uses jdbc so it can connect with a lot of dbms's |
| 17:44.11 | SunSparc | I am loving it. |
| 17:45.12 | SunSparc | Here are some words of wisdom from the Dalai Lama - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/3534994/Sexual-intercourse-spells-trouble-says-Dalai-Lama.html |
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| 17:59.58 | _psychic_ | I'll opt for complex, thanks. |
| 18:01.06 | SunSparc | Yeah, he has no idea what he is missing out on. The growth that comes from relationships is amazing. |
| 18:01.39 | mindjuju | does anybody know off hand if you have a sentence that is interrupted by a bulleted list when you continue the sentence after the list, is it a new sentence (capitalized) or continuation (uncapitalized) |
| 18:01.48 | mindjuju | seems like it is new |
| 18:02.22 | SunSparc | I often continue the sentence with an ellipsis |
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| 19:52.19 | SunSparc | ~zombo |
| 19:52.20 | jbot | methinks zombo is You can do anything at ZOMBO COM. Anything at all. The only limit is yourself. Anything is possible at ZOMBO COM. The unattainable is unknown at ZOMBO COM. The infinite is possible at ZOMBO COM. Visit http://zombo.com/ now! |
| 19:55.36 | carmony | ??? |
| 19:55.58 | SunSparc | Got a question carmony? |
| 19:59.55 | carmony | whats with zombo?> |
| 20:00.05 | SunSparc | What do you mean? |
| 20:00.16 | carmony | just a funny jbot |
| 20:00.38 | SunSparc | You can do anything at zombo.com |
| 20:01.14 | carmony | LOL |
| 20:01.29 | mgeary | wow. It's really true!! |
| 20:01.42 | SunSparc | All your dreams come true at zombo.com |
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| 20:19.20 | thebigdog | afternoon all |
| 20:19.32 | mgeary | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:19.32 | jbot | whips out a sword and chops thebigdog in half |
| 20:19.33 | SunSparc | ~welcome thebigdog |
| 20:19.33 | jbot | Howdy, thebigdog! |
| 20:19.39 | thebigdog | well then |
| 20:19.48 | thebigdog | you guys should have been at lunch today |
| 20:19.51 | thebigdog | it was good eats |
| 20:19.52 | SunSparc | ~monkey thebigdog |
| 20:19.53 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at thebigdog |
| 20:19.56 | mgeary | well, you should have invited us |
| 20:20.05 | thebigdog | we did |
| 20:20.10 | thebigdog | north utah uphpu lunch |
| 20:20.16 | mgeary | bah |
| 20:20.24 | mgeary | all i've had for lunch is those double-chocolate cookies from Ikea |
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| 20:21.27 | thebigdog | i had some great pulled pork |
| 20:24.13 | carmony | awwww, I missed lunch? :( |
| 20:24.37 | carmony | where was it? |
| 20:24.44 | thebigdog | just joking |
| 20:24.49 | carmony | whew :P |
| 20:24.51 | thebigdog | but itimber and i hit some bbq today |
| 20:25.03 | thebigdog | i had to pay him for some work |
| 20:25.04 | carmony | Man! I'm in Ogden, let me know next time ;) |
| 20:25.09 | thebigdog | oh sure |
| 20:25.19 | carmony | sounds good :) |
| 20:25.22 | thebigdog | i thought itimber and i were the only ones in the north |
| 20:25.23 | carmony | where did you go? |
| 20:25.40 | thebigdog | some bbq on riverdale |
| 20:25.53 | carmony | what was the name? |
| 20:29.24 | thebigdog | let me check |
| 20:29.52 | thebigdog | goodwood bbq |
| 20:30.25 | carmony | o... m... g... |
| 20:30.35 | carmony | lol, I live like 4 minutes away from there :P |
| 20:30.39 | carmony | I LOVE that place |
| 20:32.30 | mgeary | meh |
| 20:33.48 | carmony | you don't like Bigwood mgeary? :P |
| 20:34.04 | carmony | wait.... that sounded so wrong... |
| 20:34.06 | mgeary | went there once. Wasn't terribly impressed, but i will say i'm not a big BBQ fan |
| 20:34.14 | mgeary | GoodWood, you mean |
| 20:34.20 | carmony | LOL |
| 20:34.21 | carmony | wow |
| 20:34.50 | mgeary | if you want to talk great dining, let's talk Chef's Table |
| 20:35.09 | carmony | where is that at?> |
| 20:35.16 | mgeary | on the Orem State Street hill |
| 20:35.19 | carmony | you can tell I'm programing atm :P |
| 20:35.36 | mgeary | it's like the highest-rated restaurant in Utah |
| 20:35.54 | mgeary | really, really great food |
| 20:35.57 | carmony | huh, I'll have to go there |
| 20:36.07 | mgeary | company Christmas dinner? |
| 20:36.11 | mgeary | that's where we're having ours |
| 20:36.11 | SunSparc | yep |
| 20:36.25 | mgeary | what day? |
| 20:36.26 | SunSparc | I hear the plates are like $100 each. |
| 20:36.38 | mgeary | naw |
| 20:36.40 | mgeary | http://www.chefstable.net/dinner.html |
| 20:36.47 | mgeary | like $20-40 |
| 20:36.50 | mgeary | for the entree |
| 20:37.06 | mgeary | their au gratin potatoes are incredible |
| 20:37.09 | SunSparc | 11th |
| 20:37.20 | mgeary | ours is on the 12th |
| 20:37.56 | carmony | ours is... dang it, thats what happens when you're a freelancer. :P |
| 20:38.45 | SunSparc | carmony: Party every day! |
| 20:39.20 | carmony | LOL! Yeah, maybe one day... :P |
| 20:40.12 | SunSparc | mgeary: I will let them know you are coming. |
| 20:40.25 | mgeary | psh. Kent and i are like *this* |
| 20:40.37 | mgeary | he knows |
| 20:40.39 | mgeary | :P |
| 20:40.42 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 20:42.04 | mgeary | bah. So i'm installing a SSL cert, and configtest comes back okay, but the secure site doesn't load. I get segmentation faults. Any suggestions? |
| 20:42.31 | mgeary | other vhosts on the machine are working fine. just not the secure one |
| 20:42.49 | SunSparc | Any log notes? |
| 20:42.58 | mgeary | exit signal Segmentation fault |
| 20:43.07 | mgeary | that's it |
| 20:44.50 | fungus | Are the cert files (key, cert, ca) all readable by the apache user, and PEM formatted? |
| 20:44.52 | _psychic_ | update openssl? |
| 20:46.08 | mgeary | fungus: yes, though i see now that the ca-bundle and the crt were 666. Not sure if that's bad. I made them 700 |
| 20:46.12 | mgeary | what's PEM-formatted? |
| 20:46.37 | mgeary | badda bing |
| 20:46.44 | mgeary | looks like it was the perms on those two files |
| 20:46.47 | mindjuju | ~fungus++ |
| 20:46.56 | mgeary | totally |
| 20:46.59 | mgeary | ~fungus++ |
| 20:47.07 | mgeary | thanks, man. That would have taken ages to debug |
| 20:47.09 | fungus | yeah, apache doesn't like to not be able to read it's certs. :P |
| 20:47.11 | carmony | ~karma fungus |
| 20:47.11 | jbot | fungus has karma of 15 |
| 20:47.15 | fungus | woot |
| 20:47.16 | carmony | lol, wow |
| 20:47.18 | mgeary | fungus: well, it *could* read them |
| 20:47.33 | mgeary | but so could other stuff. presumably that was the issue. Like public keys for ssh |
| 20:47.39 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 20:47.39 | jbot | mgeary has karma of 12 |
| 20:47.55 | carmony | ~karma carmony |
| 20:47.55 | jbot | carmony has karma of 2 |
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| 20:51.55 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuu |
| 20:51.55 | jbot | mindjuu has neutral karma |
| 20:52.00 | mindjuju | err, too fast |
| 20:52.05 | mindjuju | ~karma mindjuju |
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| 20:53.13 | mindjuju | let's see, I can reincarnate into a Win 3.11 Sys Admin, a Tandy Comp repairman / Radio Shack dude or a hamster |
| 20:53.52 | fungus | i'd pick the hamster |
| 20:54.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:54.24 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm going hamster |
| 20:54.31 | mindjuju | unless i get more karma |
| 20:54.37 | SunSparc | It was fun. Especially during RC season. |
| 20:54.52 | _psychic_ | ~mindjuju++ |
| 20:54.56 | mindjuju | thx! |
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| 21:20.09 | thebigdog | man i pissed the ubuntu does not have svn 1.5 for 8.01 |
| 21:26.11 | mgeary | how can i check what shell i'm currently using? |
| 21:26.21 | mgeary | i think i'm in tcsh on a machine. how can i verify that? |
| 21:28.57 | fungus | echo $SHELL |
| 21:33.24 | mgeary | thanks |
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| 22:20.57 | dataw0lf | http://www.breitbart.tv/html/233083.html pretty funny stuff, Prop 8: The Musical |
| 22:23.52 | _psychic_ | meh |
| 22:24.51 | _psychic_ | stuffing words in peoples mouths and a wholly uneducated view of the bible seems pretty childish |
| 22:25.09 | mgeary | true |
| 22:25.12 | mgeary | but it was pretty funny |
| 22:25.26 | mgeary | funnier than the fart/defrag thing, imo |
| 22:25.28 | dataw0lf | so.. you can't sell your daughter into slavery in the bible? |
| 22:26.06 | _psychic_ | doesn't the constitution reference slavery too? |
| 22:26.21 | _psychic_ | so you can count em as 3/5ths a person? |
| 22:26.54 | dataw0lf | sure. Doesn't mean I agree with it. |
| 22:26.54 | _psychic_ | oh wait, that's taking something completely out of context. I remember hearing about that in journalism/philosophy 101. |
| 22:27.31 | dataw0lf | it's not taking something completely out of context. It just shows that the Bible is as fallible as anything from an older culture when it comes to moral values. |
| 22:27.32 | _psychic_ | Jack as Jesus is a pretty funny choice, I have to admit. |
| 22:27.45 | dataw0lf | which... is the whole point? |
| 22:28.06 | _psychic_ | No, it's taking it out of context. |
| 22:28.16 | _psychic_ | And I'll agree the Bible is not infallible. |
| 22:29.45 | dataw0lf | agreed then. |
| 22:30.05 | _psychic_ | And automatic labelling prop 8 as "hate" is retarded too. |
| 22:30.23 | _psychic_ | It was kinda funny, but my propaganda warning light blinked off the scales. |
| 22:31.05 | SunSparc | I wish I had a shrimp coctail... |
| 22:32.54 | SunSparc | Everything in the bible is context sensitive. |
| 22:33.25 | SunSparc | And of course, there are exceptions to every rule. |
| 22:34.07 | dataw0lf | I didn't know God delivered an addendum with all the exceptions to the rules he put out. |
| 22:34.51 | SunSparc | Yep, right there in appendix z |
| 22:34.55 | _psychic_ | Well he did with the shrimp cocktails. |
| 22:35.01 | _psychic_ | It's not rocket theology. |
| 22:35.05 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:35.43 | dataw0lf | In my view, essentially, you have your own moral compass. Call it God, or Vishnu, or Buddha, or whatever. Things like the Bible either cement your own already held views or you ignore them because of "exceptions" or "context". The Bible doesn't create your moral compass. |
| 22:35.57 | dataw0lf | So when I hear people quoting the Bible when arguing a moral point, I just laugh. |
| 22:36.12 | beandog | yah, kinda like quoting the constitution. |
| 22:36.48 | beandog | its just ideas, philosophy and paper. |
| 22:37.01 | _psychic_ | probably the three most powerful things evar. |
| 22:37.48 | SunSparc | ideas, philosophy and paper? |
| 22:37.56 | dataw0lf | I don't consult the constitution, either, when I make my moral decisions. |
| 22:38.24 | _psychic_ | so it has no worth then. |
| 22:38.28 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Where did you derive your morals? |
| 22:38.28 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 22:40.39 | mgeary | okay, not to change the subject too abruptly, but here's an interesting tidbit-- you cannot use authorize.net to bill non-USD amounts |
| 22:41.09 | dataw0lf | SunSparc: from my parents and myself. |
| 22:41.19 | SunSparc | Really? Hmmm, I actually never tried so I did not know. Good to know mgeary. |
| 22:41.26 | mgeary | hugely annoying |
| 22:41.30 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Based on what? |
| 22:41.44 | SunSparc | mgeary: Only if you need non-usd stuff. ;) |
| 22:41.51 | mgeary | indeed |
| 22:41.55 | SunSparc | mgeary: Are you doing some international selling? |
| 22:42.08 | mgeary | we've got a client with operations in South Africa |
| 22:42.08 | dataw0lf | that's a philosophical and anthropological argument. They certainly didn't base it on the Bible. |
| 22:42.29 | SunSparc | mgeary: That is kinda cool. |
| 22:42.41 | SunSparc | Does Anet have any plans to add support? |
| 22:44.08 | mgeary | nope |
| 22:44.20 | mgeary | "that was going to be implemented, but now it's not" |
| 22:44.21 | mgeary | bah |
| 22:44.26 | mgeary | their docs suck |
| 22:45.38 | SunSparc | I would think they would want to consider it, since the world is on the Internet. |
| 22:49.28 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: Morality is a philosophical topic altogether. So if they did not base it on the bible, then what? Moral etymology seems like it is usually assumed through ones surrounding environment and based on personal desires. |
| 22:52.27 | dataw0lf | well morality is based on a variety of factors. I'm not going to dissect where my parents got their morals from. My Dad is the anthropologist, not me. |
| 22:53.01 | unum | so speaking of this topic. I read an article that talked about how elected official were failing this civics test |
| 22:53.03 | dataw0lf | but I know all the way up to my great grandparents, noone in my family is religious. I have no idea beyond that. *shrug* |
| 22:53.03 | SunSparc | Ok, no worries. It is just an interesting topic to me. |
| 22:53.08 | unum | the test turned out to be completely bogus |
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| 22:53.28 | dataw0lf | well noone in my immediate family or ancestors, I mean. My aunt and uncle are fundies in Washington. |
| 22:53.54 | unum | in the middle of this "american civics" exam is a test question that claim socrates believed morals could be derived by logic |
| 22:54.03 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:54.18 | SunSparc | unum: go on |
| 22:54.51 | dataw0lf | there's no other way to describe them, _psychic_. They live on a fortified compound in eastern Washington waiting for the endtimes. |
| 22:54.58 | unum | I can try to find the link if you want(I only missed one question, and no it wasn't that one) |
| 22:55.08 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: did you google fundies? |
| 22:55.14 | unum | but they were trying to push this idea is this test that was completely wrong |
| 22:55.22 | _psychic_ | don't press I'm Feeling Lucky. |
| 22:55.29 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: HAHAHA |
| 22:55.42 | _psychic_ | send it to your uncle. |
| 22:55.46 | _psychic_ | them? |
| 22:55.48 | _psychic_ | ew. |
| 22:56.30 | dataw0lf | nah I got disowned a couple Thanksgivings ago when my parents made me go and visit because they had to too. |
| 22:56.58 | unum | socrates did not believe anything could be derived from logic |
| 22:57.00 | _psychic_ | Yeah that might not help your status. |
| 22:57.24 | SunSparc | unum: That is illogical. |
| 22:57.37 | unum | "the only thing I know is that I know nothing" |
| 22:57.52 | SunSparc | "all we are, is dust in the wind, dude" |
| 22:58.35 | SunSparc | Socrates has some interesting thoughts. |
| 22:59.10 | unum | I just don't get how someone could say that, and then have it attributed to him that all morals could derived through logic |
| 23:00.00 | SunSparc | unum: perhaps is was just a miswording through a typo. |
| 23:00.17 | dataw0lf | mgeary: well I'm damned to Hell, I'm sure. |
| 23:00.33 | unum | SunSparc: not possible, let me find the link |
| 23:00.47 | SunSparc | dataw0lf: So what happened while you were there that got you disowned? |
| 23:01.17 | unum | http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx |
| 23:01.26 | dataw0lf | heh. well, they had their pastor there, this real dirtbag who runs the place up there, give the Thanksgiving prayer |
| 23:01.42 | dataw0lf | and it was the first time I'd seen any of them since coming back from Iraq. |
| 23:01.49 | dataw0lf | and he said some pretty offensive things during that prayer. |
| 23:01.56 | dataw0lf | so I stood up and left |
| 23:02.01 | dataw0lf | and it snowballed from there |
| 23:02.30 | SunSparc | heh, so they don't tolerate different opinions, I guess. |
| 23:02.34 | dataw0lf | I ended up having to be dragged away from punching the "pastor" by two brothers, my cousin, and my dad. |
| 23:02.44 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 23:02.47 | _psychic_ | what'd he say? |
| 23:03.17 | dataw0lf | I can't remember the exact wording (I was pretty steamed), but it essentially congratulated me on participating in a holy mission against heathens. |
| 23:03.28 | _psychic_ | mmm |
| 23:04.29 | unum | there was enough debate about that in the LDS church when the war started that the president of the church made a statement |
| 23:05.45 | dataw0lf | I don't have much patience for Americans who approach the Iraq war with, ironically, the same mentality that terrorists do. |
| 23:06.10 | unum | dataw0lf: ya that's been kind of my problem |
| 23:06.56 | SunSparc | Yeah, those kind of comments show judgmental ignorance at work. |
| 23:09.03 | dataw0lf | anyways, after I left he decided to come over to me and needle me about doing God's work in Iraq and it was all part of a plan etc, etc |
| 23:09.36 | dataw0lf | thankfully most of my family saw my face and tactically surrounded me before I went after him |
| 23:10.05 | dataw0lf | so yea, I can't go to the fundamentalist encampment my aunt and uncle live on anymore :D |
| 23:10.17 | macnewbold | argh - okay, odd question for y'all: |
| 23:10.24 | dataw0lf | My Dad got sorta kicked out too for showing a bunch of kids the newest Harry Potter film, so I'm in good company at least. |
| 23:10.50 | macnewbold | we've got a site we built for a client, with some pages that go secure |
| 23:11.09 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: funny that your fam knows the I'm-gonna-hit-someone face |
| 23:11.09 | macnewbold | we've double and triple checked that it isn't referencing any unsecure http:// urls |
| 23:11.57 | macnewbold | but IE7 is giving people a message about we are protecting you by not showing "content with security certificate errors" |
| 23:12.05 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: is it public? |
| 23:12.07 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 23:12.11 | _psychic_ | where? |
| 23:12.17 | macnewbold | https://www.autocarcredit.com/application |
| 23:12.26 | macnewbold | I've googled and haven't found much help |
| 23:12.30 | unum | hey I run a site like that as well.... |
| 23:12.33 | _psychic_ | nice stock photo |
| 23:12.37 | macnewbold | firefox has no complaints at all |
| 23:12.38 | mgeary | https://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js |
| 23:12.40 | mgeary | macnewbold: ^^ |
| 23:12.42 | macnewbold | we didn't design it |
| 23:12.47 | mgeary | "untrusted server certificate" |
| 23:12.52 | mgeary | Safari+++++ |
| 23:12.57 | macnewbold | nice catch |
| 23:13.06 | macnewbold | firefox didn't mind that at all, oddly enough |
| 23:14.05 | _psychic_ | If that doesn't fix it, we've had CA chain issues with some certs on IE. |
| 23:14.19 | unum | my brother picked out the name, I don't know where the photos came from, needacarnow |
| 23:16.21 | mgeary | macnewbold: does it work when you don't link in the google script? |
| 23:16.28 | macnewbold | trying it now |
| 23:21.14 | _psychic_ | FF3 Mac doesn't like https://www.google-analytics.com/urchin.js |
| 23:21.24 | _psychic_ | "The certificate is only valid for the following names: |
| 23:21.25 | _psychic_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.25 | _psychic_ | " |
| 23:22.15 | thebigdog | mac use the new google analytic code |
| 23:22.18 | orsonj | yeah, I'm surprised google doesn't have ssl down |
| 23:22.24 | thebigdog | it does |
| 23:22.36 | thebigdog | https://ssl. |
| 23:22.41 | thebigdog | that is what you need for ssl like |
| 23:22.50 | thebigdog | http://www. for non-ssl |
| 23:23.27 | thebigdog | http://www.google.com/support/analytics/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=55488 |
| 23:23.32 | thebigdog | that is the code i would suggest using |
| 23:24.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.pawfal.org/dave/index.cgi?Projects/Scheme%20Bricks very cool. |
| 23:24.42 | macnewbold | k, someone want to hit the URL again? https://www.autocarcredit.com/application |
| 23:25.00 | macnewbold | turns out ssl.google-analytics.com is fine with https |
| 23:25.09 | mgeary | macnewbold: that seems fine now |
| 23:25.15 | mgeary | on IE as well? |
| 23:25.16 | macnewbold | odd thing is that www.google-analytics.com accepts https but has an invalid cert :( |
| 23:25.38 | macnewbold | the one where I was testing won't repeat it (even after a restart) now that I hit "display content anyway" |
| 23:25.46 | mgeary | ah |
| 23:25.47 | mgeary | i hate that |
| 23:25.52 | mgeary | you can flush that somewhere |
| 23:27.30 | mgeary | unum: well hey, i only missed one Q on that quiz as well. I didn't think i'd done that well |
| 23:27.57 | mgeary | though i don't think it's a very good quiz |
| 23:28.02 | mgeary | there are a number of subjective questions |
| 23:28.08 | unum | exactly |
| 23:28.15 | itimber | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:28.18 | unum | it's designed to promote a conservative bias |
| 23:28.21 | unum | itimber: later |
| 23:28.21 | mgeary | that basically say, "good government means X" |
| 23:28.23 | mgeary | right |
| 23:28.38 | mgeary | but if you can sniff that out, you can get the answers "right" |
| 23:28.44 | unum | yep |
| 23:29.59 | unum | I have a friend who wants to set something like this up |
| 23:30.24 | unum | I thought he was being silly thinking we could get anywhere with it, but this stupid quiz has been carried by some main stream media |
| 23:56.20 | mgeary | never underestimate the pervasiveness of stupid content |
| 23:56.23 | mgeary | ;) |
| 23:57.42 | SunSparc | Is not that what 90% of the Intarweb is comprised of? |
| 23:58.09 | SunSparc | And it is all "true" because it is on the Intarweb. Just like everything on TV is true. |
| 23:58.33 | SunSparc | News people wouldn't lie to us. Why would they. |
| 23:58.37 | orsonj | how do you drive? http://www.thecarconnection.com/dangerous-quiz/ |
| 23:58.46 | _psychic_ | Blogging. Where so many with so little to say have said so much to so few. |