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| 00:21.14 | macnewbold | synic: pm me or email me, I guess - I'm on my way out |
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| 14:28.18 | olds | g'mornin |
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| 15:15.10 | timinator | wassup my brotha's |
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| 15:57.25 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
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| 16:27.04 | timinator | nothing much |
| 16:27.06 | timinator | u? |
| 16:41.51 | mindjuju | just kickin' it; keepin' it real |
| 16:45.31 | mgeary | what on earth does that mean, "keepin' it real" ? |
| 16:46.22 | SunSparc | Perhaps this refers to the natural tendency that "it" has of morphing from real into fake. |
| 16:48.39 | mindjuju | @mgeary - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keeping+it+real |
| 16:49.06 | mindjuju | well, actually, there are some expletives |
| 16:49.12 | mindjuju | sorry,d idn't see them before |
| 16:49.15 | mindjuju | i'll post the safe one |
| 16:49.22 | mindjuju | the act of being yourself, usually by buying and wearing shit that everyone else has. |
| 16:49.32 | mgeary | ~pottymouth mindjuju |
| 16:49.47 | mindjuju | hey, said sorry, i saw the first part of the first sentence and posted |
| 16:49.52 | mindjuju | :) |
| 16:51.05 | mindjuju | oops! didn't realize i posted the bad word on the IRC |
| 16:51.14 | mindjuju | i thought you meant off that page, mgeary |
| 16:51.27 | macnewbold | ~ping synic |
| 16:51.28 | jbot | pong synic |
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| 17:21.13 | mgeary | hey, does anyone know of a nameserver caching service so i can see what nameserver USED to be on a domain? |
| 17:23.28 | SunSparc | Might be handy, but never heard of one. |
| 17:23.31 | olds | yea |
| 17:30.22 | macnewbold | you might try archive.org, mgeary, and use the wayback machine to check their page on whois.sc or something like that |
| 17:31.30 | synic | macnewbold: yo |
| 17:33.09 | mgeary | macnewbold: no good, i need old MX records, not A records |
| 17:51.00 | wps | my download script is producing an empty file |
| 17:51.03 | wps | anyone see anything wrong? |
| 17:51.04 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/VIMF3m71.html |
| 17:52.15 | macnewbold | synic: you were pinging me yesterdaY? |
| 17:52.25 | macnewbold | or was that a mis-completed tab that was aimed at someone else? |
| 17:52.49 | macnewbold | mgeary: I thought you were looking for who the old dns servers were. |
| 17:53.43 | mgeary | well, yeah |
| 17:53.54 | mgeary | so i can do a dig domain.com mx on it |
| 17:54.30 | macnewbold | wps: I assume $format and $file are both set properly, and that $file exists and is readable? |
| 17:54.35 | mgeary | the record still exists, but i've changed the NS, and didn't realize i had to preserve the MX records |
| 17:55.06 | macnewbold | hm |
| 17:55.23 | wps | I'll double-check, macnewbold |
| 17:55.26 | macnewbold | well if archive.org can show you the whois record, with who the nameservers were, that would have what you need to do the dig |
| 17:55.46 | macnewbold | wps: my only other guess would be that some kind of notice or warning is being triggered, causing the failure |
| 17:55.57 | macnewbold | depending on error/logging settings you might see something in the logs |
| 17:57.18 | mgeary | but the question is, can archive.org show me an old whois? |
| 17:57.26 | mgeary | i don't see a way |
| 17:57.44 | macnewbold | yeah, with the wayback machine |
| 17:57.54 | macnewbold | you have to look for a site (like whois.sc) that has pages full of whois records |
| 17:58.13 | macnewbold | if you can find a web page with their current whois, go search for that page in the wayback machine |
| 17:58.19 | fungus | mgeary: why would an old nameserver still serve records for a domain that was moved away from it? |
| 17:58.24 | macnewbold | it's a pretty out of the box solution though... |
| 17:58.44 | mgeary | fungus: because no one told that NS owner that the domain was moved, and because it was just moved yesterday... |
| 17:58.52 | macnewbold | that's a pretty good reason |
| 17:59.14 | fungus | So can't you contact the NS owner to tell you the records, or where the NS is? |
| 17:59.44 | mgeary | well, i'm not sure who it was |
| 17:59.49 | mgeary | here's the thing |
| 18:00.21 | mgeary | i get told, move the NS, so i go in, and move them. Now today i get, "hey, our email is broken". I didn't realize that they had pre-existing email (yeah, should have checked, perhaps). |
| 18:00.32 | mgeary | so i need to change OUR records to restore the MX |
| 18:00.39 | mgeary | but i don't have an easy way of knowing what they were |
| 18:00.48 | mgeary | i didn't note what the old NS were |
| 18:00.57 | mgeary | and they may or may not have been the default NS for the registrar |
| 18:00.59 | fungus | Can't you just recreate the MX records yourself? |
| 18:01.09 | mgeary | not without knowing where to point it |
| 18:01.30 | mgeary | i'm looking for some way to find out where they USED to be pointed, so i can restore |
| 18:01.31 | fungus | Why not focus on finding out where to point it? |
| 18:01.46 | fungus | Go to the mail server administrator. |
| 18:02.09 | mgeary | hmm. actually, what i can do is call the client and have them give me their imap/smtp settings, that'll help |
| 18:02.20 | fungus | Sounds like you are trying to shave a yak. |
| 18:02.36 | mgeary | well the thing is, you're assuming i can find anyone who can tell me who the mail server admin is |
| 18:02.40 | mgeary | these are dentists |
| 18:02.44 | mgeary | "mail what?" |
| 18:03.06 | fungus | Get the imap settings, that should tell you who provides their service. |
| 18:03.10 | mgeary | right |
| 18:03.32 | mgeary | trying that now |
| 18:06.04 | fungus | Yak shaving: http://www.anecdote.com.au/archives/2005/03/anecdote_circle.html |
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| 18:15.51 | mindjuju | mgeary - any chance it was at your clients ISP? |
| 18:15.57 | mgeary | i'm all set |
| 18:16.10 | mgeary | they didn't need their old mail server, they just wanted working accounts |
| 18:16.10 | mindjuju | oh gotcha |
| 18:16.15 | mgeary | so we're just setting up new ones |
| 18:16.26 | mgeary | i was worried about a bunch of imap-stored messages |
| 18:16.28 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 18:16.34 | mgeary | but there weren't any |
| 18:17.09 | wps | macnewbold: I had ob_end_clean(); in my script |
| 18:17.11 | wps | that was hosing it |
| 18:17.15 | wps | removed that and it's working now |
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| 18:52.40 | mindjuju | ah yes, for your lunch enjoyment I present - Denied Wireless on - http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Tech-Support-Heck.aspx |
| 18:52.47 | mindjuju | towards the bottom, v funny |
| 18:53.23 | SunSparc | Here is something a bit more sober for when you are done with that: http://bluesun7.com/jonathan/?p=105 |
| 18:55.10 | SunSparc | Seriously? She actually said, "but it's wireless". In 2008. Wow. |
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| 19:40.10 | mindjuju | ~yow |
| 19:42.04 | mgeary | well, duh |
| 20:00.11 | xilch|w | All bunnies wear skintight leather. |
| 20:01.25 | mgeary | and are metalheads |
| 20:20.47 | wps | anyone need a mattress? |
| 20:20.47 | wps | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=218&ad=3059451&cat=272&lpid= |
| 20:21.37 | mindjuju | wps -- that's crazy |
| 20:23.02 | wps | including their aunts and uncles |
| 20:27.30 | mgeary | that's disgusting |
| 20:28.21 | wps | :) |
| 20:34.02 | pelaofeliz | dang -- too slow -- the ad's already gone |
| 20:35.29 | fungus | bummer |
| 20:36.03 | mgeary | wow. i didn't really click the btn |
| 20:36.06 | mgeary | guess someone else did |
| 20:36.36 | mgeary | but that was really gross |
| 20:37.01 | brasto | ~lart people that use colored cells in spreadsheets to track info instead of just adding another filterable field. |
| 20:37.01 | jbot | teaches people that use colored cells in spreadsheets to track info instead of just adding another filterable field. that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 20:37.30 | brasto | how fitting! |
| 20:37.33 | brasto | ~good jbot |
| 20:37.33 | jbot | Good jbot, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
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| 20:45.18 | brasto | ~good jbot |
| 20:45.19 | jbot | Good jbot, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 20:45.23 | brasto | ? |
| 20:45.36 | brasto | Would it be a good thing if the cookie jar were wet? |
| 20:47.13 | mindjuju | optikal - you still around? |
| 20:50.27 | _psychic_ | sugar is considered a "wet" ingredient... |
| 20:59.03 | thebigdog | i would work at code greene...but the mysql is a such a hindrance ;) |
| 20:59.18 | thebigdog | and im not sure i would work with beandog |
| 20:59.23 | thebigdog | he has too much gas |
| 20:59.30 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 20:59.44 | mindjuju | is beandog at CG now? |
| 21:00.11 | thebigdog | oh i dont know...i think 3/4 of the people in here work at code greene |
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| 21:00.45 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:01.56 | mindjuju | looks like everybody at CG is prolly playing xbox |
| 21:03.39 | SunSparc | mediaRAIN just got done playing soccer. |
| 21:03.52 | SunSparc | And not on the XBox |
| 21:04.15 | mindjuju | hmmm Soccer v xbox on an HD 61" TV |
| 21:04.20 | mindjuju | uh |
| 21:04.24 | mindjuju | i'm going xbox |
| 21:05.08 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:06.04 | SunSparc | Well, as long as there is enough light and it is at least around 5 celsius or higher. |
| 21:13.40 | olds | I'd go with soccer as well |
| 21:13.53 | olds | as _psychic_ knows |
| 21:14.04 | SunSparc | ~Soccer++ |
| 21:14.14 | SunSparc | ~karma soccer |
| 21:14.14 | jbot | soccer has karma of 2 |
| 21:14.16 | _psychic_ | olds: predictions for tomorrow? |
| 21:14.17 | olds | you follow any european leagues? |
| 21:14.23 | olds | DC 3-1 |
| 21:14.25 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju: More like nintendo |
| 21:14.29 | _psychic_ | yeah didja see Arsenal Liverpool? |
| 21:14.33 | olds | yea |
| 21:14.33 | thebigdog | i follow south american leagues |
| 21:14.49 | mindjuju | is that what ya'll were playin'? |
| 21:15.00 | olds | next round in the UEFA champions league has Man United vs FC Barcelona |
| 21:15.05 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 21:15.11 | mindjuju | i need to scrunge up some money and make a MAME cabinet |
| 21:15.14 | mindjuju | put it in my office |
| 21:15.18 | DexterTheDragon | we had a little dr. mario challenge |
| 21:15.22 | olds | might have to take a long lunch to watch those games |
| 21:15.36 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 21:16.00 | olds | messi, ronaldinho, henry vs ronaldo, rooney, scholes |
| 21:16.06 | olds | should be great |
| 21:16.53 | olds | we play DC again in 2 weeks |
| 21:16.58 | olds | in DC |
| 21:17.16 | olds | so if we don't win this one, we won't be getting our first win for a few weeks I'd imagine |
| 21:17.16 | _psychic_ | hm |
| 21:17.19 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 21:17.26 | _psychic_ | we've won them in the past |
| 21:17.33 | _psychic_ | I think we look pretty good lately - just no finishing |
| 21:17.41 | olds | yea |
| 21:17.49 | olds | we can hold a team pretty well |
| 21:18.05 | _psychic_ | I think if we have more in the box on attack that'd be half the cure |
| 21:18.10 | olds | but I foresee very few games where he have a win by more than 1 goal |
| 21:18.12 | _psychic_ | get the docs head on the ball more :) |
| 21:18.17 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 21:19.12 | olds | hmmm |
| 21:19.23 | olds | we play Toronto on the 19th |
| 21:19.28 | olds | in Toronto |
| 21:19.32 | olds | we might be able to win that one |
| 21:19.51 | _psychic_ | hope so |
| 21:31.32 | mindjuju | i wish i had Hot Fuzz here at work |
| 21:31.42 | SunSparc | Excuse me? |
| 21:31.55 | mindjuju | it's a movie |
| 21:32.01 | mindjuju | had the DVD here at work for a while |
| 21:32.04 | mindjuju | but i've taken it home |
| 21:32.19 | mindjuju | and now that I have finished up work for today, need something to do wihle I watch my backup run |
| 21:33.02 | DexterTheDragon | and he wants a fuzzt navel to go with it |
| 21:33.09 | SunSparc | Wikipedia has lots of interesting things to read. |
| 21:33.14 | DexterTheDragon | s/fuzzt/fuzzy/ |
| 21:34.02 | mindjuju | i don't know about a fuzzy navel as much as some root beer |
| 21:35.13 | macnewbold | I don't want to know anythign about anybody's fuzzy navel |
| 21:35.19 | macnewbold | just keep your shirts on please |
| 21:35.24 | SunSparc | Root beer with vanilla ice cream in it. |
| 21:36.05 | DexterTheDragon | mmmmmm ice cream |
| 21:36.06 | thebigdog | i have a fuzzy navel for macnewbold |
| 21:36.19 | macnewbold | ewww |
| 21:36.23 | macnewbold | ~nosepick thebigdog |
| 21:36.24 | jbot | ACTION plucks thebigdog out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 21:36.32 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:36.36 | thebigdog | ~beanfart |
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| 22:29.54 | brast1 | that's the first time i've seen a message that I left the chat room... |
| 22:30.09 | brasto | i suppose that's why... |
| 22:30.25 | mindjuju | how do we know you're the REALLY REAL brasto? |
| 22:30.34 | SunSparc | It is called an out of body experience. |
| 22:30.39 | olds | haha |
| 22:30.55 | brasto | only one brasto does this: |
| 22:31.14 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~wizardfire mindjuju |
| 22:31.15 | jbot | ACTION sends a bolt of wizard fire from a wizard staff at an unsuspecting mindjuju |
| 22:31.39 | mindjuju | while that may be true, what if there was a divergence in the space-time continuum and its brasto and brasto five minutes from now? |
| 22:31.50 | mindjuju | then both are technically you, but you out of sequence of time? |
| 22:32.43 | olds | I would argue that they are technically different people |
| 22:32.49 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~no wizardfire $1 is <action> lowers his wizard staff and sends a bolt of wizard fire at an unsuspecting $1 |
| 22:32.49 | jbot | okay, GreatWhiteWizard |
| 22:35.30 | GreatWhiteWizard | who are those 2 philosophers... one argued that things stay the same, the other argued that all things change: you can't even step in the same river twice because it's changed by the time you step in it again... |
| 22:35.35 | GreatWhiteWizard | Parminides? |
| 22:35.46 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~philosophy |
| 22:36.10 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~wiki parminides |
| 22:36.33 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~wiki philosophy change |
| 22:37.07 | GreatWhiteWizard | ok, if my windoze install went awry within parallels, how do i start the install over? |
| 22:37.14 | GreatWhiteWizard | timinator? |
| 22:37.23 | GreatWhiteWizard | mgeary? |
| 22:38.44 | SunSparc | GreatWhiteWizard: just delete that image and start over |
| 22:39.09 | SunSparc | Unless it is recoveablre |
| 22:39.14 | SunSparc | recoverable |
| 22:39.27 | SunSparc | How did it go awry? |
| 22:39.32 | mgeary | ? |
| 22:39.34 | GreatWhiteWizard | not recoverable, where do i go to delete it? |
| 22:39.38 | GreatWhiteWizard | in the install |
| 22:39.51 | SunSparc | No, just delete the parallels image |
| 22:39.55 | SunSparc | Probably quicker that way |
| 22:39.57 | GreatWhiteWizard | i have a blue screen with a mouse pointer. |
| 22:40.13 | GreatWhiteWizard | i meant it went awry in the install |
| 22:40.34 | GreatWhiteWizard | where's the parallels image located? |
| 22:41.09 | SunSparc | ~/Library/Parallels |
| 22:41.33 | SunSparc | Unless you are using your BootCamp partition. |
| 22:43.19 | GreatWhiteWizard | I didn't see anything about using a BootCamp partition, but i don't see a Parallels folder in ~/Library. |
| 22:45.12 | SunSparc | Hmm |
| 22:45.22 | SunSparc | That is where mine is |
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| 22:45.50 | SunSparc | How about /Library/Parallels |
| 22:45.55 | GreatWhiteWizard | there's a Parallels folder in Documents... that's a dumb place to put it if it's there... |
| 22:46.32 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~lart developers that put non-documents in folders called "Documents". |
| 22:46.32 | jbot | raises middle finger to developers that put non-documents in folders called "Documents". |
| 22:46.38 | SunSparc | seriously |
| 22:46.58 | SunSparc | I must have selected something other than default. |
| 22:47.12 | GreatWhiteWizard | that's my biggest complaint about Windows developers. So many put settings and things in "My Documents" |
| 22:48.04 | DexterTheDragon | users settings belong in the users home folder. Which on windows happens to be called 'My Documents' |
| 22:48.47 | GreatWhiteWizard | no, DexterTheDragon the user home folder is %systemdrive%\documents and settings\<username> |
| 22:49.42 | DexterTheDragon | yeah but that folder is usually difficult to get to so they just stick stuff in the documents folder which is inside there |
| 22:50.03 | GreatWhiteWizard | In fact, DexterTheDragon, there's a hidden folder in there called "Application Data" and another one similar to it that developers *should* put settings in, but instead they put it in My Documents, cluttering up the folder designed to hold... well... my documents, not my game saves and more |
| 22:50.29 | DexterTheDragon | thats the problem there is that its hidden by default |
| 22:50.45 | GreatWhiteWizard | it's supposed to be |
| 22:50.55 | GreatWhiteWizard | that way people don't go deleting it and everything in it |
| 22:51.02 | DexterTheDragon | if user wants to back up their game saves it sucks trying to find it |
| 22:51.16 | GreatWhiteWizard | good devs do use that folder, like Mozilla |
| 22:51.30 | GreatWhiteWizard | not really, just show hidden folders |
| 22:51.40 | GreatWhiteWizard | Tools, Folder Options |
| 22:52.05 | DexterTheDragon | average user doesn't know they need to unhide a folder |
| 22:52.29 | GreatWhiteWizard | average user doesn't know how to back up files |
| 22:52.32 | GreatWhiteWizard | :) |
| 22:52.51 | GreatWhiteWizard | instead, they email it to themselves now... |
| 22:53.01 | GreatWhiteWizard | jk |
| 22:53.02 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:56.01 | GreatWhiteWizard | so, devs who want to do it right, and not use the My Documents folder yet make game saves back-up-able should simply add an option where people save games. It could say something like... lemme think... ah: "Backup my game saves"... |
| 22:56.34 | GreatWhiteWizard | cool, DexterTheDragon and GreatWhiteWizard both have screen names that take up the max number of chars allowed to a nick |
| 22:59.23 | GreatWhiteWizard | at least Mac devs so far, except Parallels possibly, don't use 'Documents' for non-documents. |
| 22:59.42 | GreatWhiteWizard | and Linux apps I use don't have this issue |
| 23:00.08 | DexterTheDragon | thats cause unix definded where everything should be placed |
| 23:00.13 | GreatWhiteWizard | ah, i bet the parallels folder in Documents if for sharing between the 2 |
| 23:00.35 | GreatWhiteWizard | Microsoft also did that, but people who develop apps to run on MS Windows don't care. |
| 23:01.02 | GreatWhiteWizard | s/people/some dorky people/ |
| 23:02.29 | GreatWhiteWizard | ~give DexterTheDragon a kudo for sticking with his ideas even against brasto's superior argument. |
| 23:02.30 | jbot | ACTION gives a kudo for sticking with his ideas even against brasto's superior argument. to DexterTheDragon |
| 23:02.52 | GreatWhiteWizard | lol... at least it still made sense. |
| 23:03.23 | brasto | ok, the winxp install seems to have picked itself up after all. |
| 23:03.40 | DexterTheDragon | ~lart brasto |
| 23:03.40 | jbot | stabs brasto |
| 23:06.40 | brasto | lol |
| 23:13.10 | timinator | brasto: was in a meeting, sorry |
| 23:13.16 | timinator | you still need help? |
| 23:19.49 | brasto | nope, got it |
| 23:20.23 | brasto | speaking of meetings, timinator, i have a meeting coming up... a meeting to go home and be with the kids... |
| 23:20.36 | brasto | c-yawl later |
| 23:20.42 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:25.22 | timinator | I'm out too..... later guys |
| 23:25.26 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:32.18 | *** part/#uphpu mrkrow (n=Chad@166.70.178.114) |
| 23:55.27 | *** join/#uphpu jgiboney (n=IceChat7@c-24-10-163-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:55.45 | jgiboney | Good afternoon everyone! |
| 23:56.09 | mindjuju | howdy |
| 23:56.15 | mindjuju | i think everybody is gonge |
| 23:56.27 | jgiboney | not everyone, your here |
| 23:57.47 | mindjuju | that i am |
| 23:58.59 | macnewbold | I'm still here |
| 23:59.08 | macnewbold | prolly gonna be a late night at work tonight |
| 23:59.38 | jgiboney | it might be a late night for me also... but for school |
| 23:59.41 | DexterTheDragon | mindjuju never leaves |
| 23:59.42 | macnewbold | oh, fun |
| 23:59.54 | macnewbold | yeah, mindjuju lives at the office more than his new house |