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| 00:04.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Just emailed my sister. |
| 00:05.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I know that her husband works with several generals. Whether any of them can or will help me out is another question entirely. |
| 00:06.28 | dataw0lf | prolly |
| 00:10.17 | dataw0lf | hmmm |
| 00:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | There, emailed a recruiter too. "I want to be a 19D." |
| 00:10.27 | dataw0lf | I probably overreacted by advising you go into the military |
| 00:10.28 | Lone_Wanderer | That should get the ball rolling. |
| 00:10.31 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 00:10.39 | dataw0lf | I don't want your death on my conscience |
| 00:10.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I've wanted to for a long time. |
| 00:11.09 | Lone_Wanderer | But didn't think I could. |
| 00:13.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Not lining a chalk up right? Is that a big deal? |
| 00:15.05 | dataw0lf | a chalk is the helicopter you fly out on and fast rope from as a air assault pathfinder |
| 00:15.32 | dataw0lf | you line up a chalk when you line your squad up and triplecheck all their equipment, get a quick prick from the medics, sometimes, etc |
| 00:15.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. So it *is* a big deal. Like not doing it right could directly result in people dying. |
| 00:15.41 | dataw0lf | then you check your safeties once you're in the chopper |
| 00:16.01 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 00:18.11 | Lone_Wanderer | So, if an officer gives you an order that will obviously result in your death |
| 00:18.33 | Lone_Wanderer | What do you do? |
| 00:19.12 | dataw0lf | you follow the order |
| 00:19.16 | dataw0lf | it's a legal order |
| 00:20.22 | dataw0lf | I mean, I probably wouldn't follow it, I'd just tell my first sergeant to gimme a new officer |
| 00:20.44 | dataw0lf | in combat, it'd probably result to a butt stroke to the head |
| 00:21.10 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:21.31 | dataw0lf | enlisted soldiers usually keep the rank and file officers in line |
| 00:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm going to go in about eight minutes. |
| 00:25.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Or now. Bye. |
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| 01:41.51 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yes?!? |
| 01:43.44 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 01:43.48 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 01:43.54 | dataw0lf | wasn't me |
| 01:44.15 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: sorry about freaking out earlier |
| 01:44.22 | dataw0lf | I need to control my temper |
| 01:51.32 | burnin | did I miss an exhibition? |
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| 17:39.58 | mindjuju | sure is a quiet morning |
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| 17:54.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Yarr indeed. |
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| 18:15.50 | _psychic_ | ~asplode my |
| 18:15.51 | jbot | my head asplode, k thx |
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| 18:23.34 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 18:24.08 | Utah_Dave | :) just kidding, mindjuju |
| 18:24.26 | _psychic_ | *tries* |
| 18:29.11 | _psychic_ | and msn.com.. |
| 18:29.20 | _psychic_ | I think the whois servers got 0wned today |
| 18:31.57 | Utah_Dave | ~whois google.com |
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| 18:54.23 | mindjuju | har har, utah_dave |
| 18:54.30 | mindjuju | ;) |
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| 19:05.35 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 19:06.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if I could make ~yow my greeting, so that when I came in he'd say it and trigger himself. |
| 19:06.30 | mindjuju | you can |
| 19:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 19:06.43 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 19:07.26 | mindjuju | k, that should do it |
| 19:07.32 | mindjuju | leave and come back |
| 19:07.35 | Lone_Wanderer | For me? okay. |
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| 19:07.50 | mindjuju | hey! why didn't it do it |
| 19:07.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Ornot! |
| 19:08.10 | mindjuju | /exit |
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| 19:08.33 | mindjuju | that's weird |
| 19:08.40 | mindjuju | it just typed the command, not execute |
| 19:08.55 | mindjuju | ~seen timriker |
| 19:09.38 | jbot | timriker is currently on #bzflag (2h 42m 15s) #utah (2h 42m 15s) #openmoko (2h 42m 15s) #openezx (2h 42m 15s) #elinux (2h 42m 15s). Has said a total of 10 messages. Is idling for 2h 36m 16s, last said: 'ran bzflag on the xbox last night. it sucked of course with no 3d hardware support. still it amused me.'. |
| 19:10.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 19:11.05 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 17h 26m 43s, last said: 'I need to control my temper'. |
| 19:27.12 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer , I have consulted with the oracle and he says that it isn't possible to invoke a command on an onjoin |
| 19:31.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. |
| 19:31.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Did the Oracle tell you that himself? |
| 19:31.42 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:31.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Or was it one of his priests that informed you? |
| 19:31.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh okay. |
| 19:32.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Usually the Oracle just babbles, and the babbling has to be interpreted by the Oracle's priests. |
| 19:32.19 | mindjuju | i had a babelfish in my ear |
| 19:32.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh cool. |
| 19:32.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to get me one of those. |
| 19:32.53 | mindjuju | well, the first thing, of course is to have a towel |
| 19:33.05 | mindjuju | so i'd work on that |
| 19:33.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Got one. Know where it is. |
| 19:34.23 | mindjuju | nice. i myself have recently gone and put a chicken bone in my beard. |
| 19:35.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to grow a beard first. |
| 19:36.13 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, i see that your very learned in the ways of Douglas Adams. |
| 19:36.30 | mindjuju | i should program jbot with some dogulas adams stuff |
| 19:36.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, first first, I need to live in a cave on prehistoric Earth. |
| 19:44.09 | _psychic_ | jbot: why $1 is 42. |
| 19:44.13 | jbot | _psychic_: what are you talking about? |
| 19:44.36 | _psychic_ | :/ |
| 19:45.22 | mindjuju | ~42 |
| 19:45.23 | jbot | 42 is probably the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 19:45.33 | mindjuju | beautiful |
| 19:45.40 | mindjuju | i'm weepy |
| 19:50.10 | _psychic_ | even wikipedia? |
| 19:50.57 | wps | even wikipedia |
| 19:51.14 | _psychic_ | too much mob trust, or what? |
| 19:51.25 | wps | no, not a content issue |
| 19:51.39 | wps | aesthetics, design, usability |
| 19:51.48 | wps | wikis are butt ugly and impossible to navigate |
| 19:52.03 | wps | our engineering department uses one and it is absolutely impossible to find anything in it |
| 19:52.07 | _psychic_ | I don't think that's anything unique to wikis, though. |
| 19:52.23 | wps | true, but it is consistent with wikis |
| 19:57.27 | jsmith | wps: Amen to that! |
| 19:57.46 | jsmith | ~stab messy wikis |
| 19:57.48 | jbot | ACTION runs at messy wikis with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 19:57.54 | wps | nice |
| 19:58.14 | jsmith | ~organize wikis |
| 20:07.22 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: If you find it difficult to navigate, you can fix that ;) |
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| 20:25.36 | Lone_Wanderer | laptop |
| 20:25.36 | mindjuju | does that mean running laps? |
| 20:25.59 | Lone_Wanderer | yes. he's running laps and is connecting to IRC via his brainwaves. |
| 20:26.02 | Lone_Wanderer | it's the future! |
| 20:26.03 | mindjuju | yeah, i figured, but thought i might have a little fun with the prospects of what lap could mean he's doing |
| 20:30.15 | herlo-lap | mindjuju: not on my normal way, on my laptop (or lap for short) |
| 20:30.34 | mindjuju | yeah, was just going to tease you 'bout it |
| 20:30.44 | herlo-lap | mindjuju: don't you dare come sit on my lap! you will break it! |
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| 20:31.02 | mindjuju | well, not me, but |
| 20:31.26 | Lone_Wanderer | He could be lapping up packets from the ether. |
| 20:31.52 | herlo | mindjuju: but who? |
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| 20:31.59 | mindjuju | or how much |
| 20:32.08 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 20:32.15 | Lone_Wanderer | hello Madamme Geary |
| 20:32.21 | herlo | mindjuju: I am very confused |
| 20:32.39 | mgeary | that's "Madame" to you, buster |
| 20:33.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Sorry. |
| 20:33.09 | mindjuju | herlo , PM |
| 20:33.52 | mgeary | hey, can we talk Exceptions for a sec? |
| 20:33.53 | herlo | mindjuju: got it |
| 20:33.57 | Utah_Dave | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 20:34.23 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 18h 50m 1s, last said: 'I need to control my temper'. |
| 20:34.23 | mindjuju | yeah, where is ole dataw0lf |
| 20:34.24 | herlo | mindjuju: I won't be giving anyone a lap dance. I might get one though |
| 20:34.24 | herlo | :) |
| 20:34.25 | mgeary | can/should Exceptions only be used in conjunction with a try? |
| 20:34.40 | herlo | we all need to lart him |
| 20:34.45 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 20:34.48 | herlo | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 20:35.00 | mindjuju | well, herlo , when a person goes to lunch, they say herlo-lunch , so when you said herlo-lap |
| 20:35.01 | mindjuju | ... |
| 20:35.01 | _psychic_ | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 20:35.04 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 20:35.13 | mindjuju | ~poo dataw0lf |
| 20:35.17 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at dataw0lf |
| 20:35.17 | mgeary | here's the thing. I like how xdebug gives me the callstack when an exception is hit. However, i generally try to pre-empt operations that could fail, rather than using try(). |
| 20:35.30 | herlo | mindjuju: I have more than one computer, it could be that too. But hey, lap dances are alright as well.... |
| 20:35.49 | herlo | ~whaleslap dataw0lf |
| 20:35.51 | jbot | ACTION beats dataw0lf upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:36.01 | herlo | ~funk dataw0lf |
| 20:36.10 | herlo | ~nice dataw0lf |
| 20:36.11 | jbot | ACTION lowers dataw0lf's priority |
| 20:36.15 | _psychic_ | ~phit dataw0lf |
| 20:36.16 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers dataw0lf's direction. You now have a strong conviction that dataw0lf wants to hug you. |
| 20:36.19 | mgeary | uh, i can come back later, when the dust settles, if that'd help... |
| 20:36.50 | herlo | dust! settle!! |
| 20:37.13 | herlo | mgeary: you have the floor |
| 20:37.17 | mgeary | uhh |
| 20:37.21 | mgeary | well... |
| 20:37.46 | mgeary | here's the thing. I like how xdebug gives me the callstack when an exception is hit. However, i generally try to pre-empt operations that could fail, rather than using try(). |
| 20:37.55 | herlo | the floor is then ripped out from under mgeary :) |
| 20:38.01 | mgeary | :D |
| 20:38.14 | mgeary | for example, i use is_writeable($somefile) before trying to fopen($somefile,"w"); |
| 20:38.26 | mgeary | however, i'm trying to get my brain around exceptions |
| 20:38.39 | Lone_Wanderer | you writing in php? |
| 20:38.43 | mgeary | should i just do: try(fopen(...))catch(...) |
| 20:38.54 | mgeary | uh, yeah, thought that could be taken for granted ;) |
| 20:38.59 | herlo | mgeary: you could consider programming exceptions as if you are expecting something particular to happen. Think of it as almost a way to do interrupt driven... |
| 20:39.02 | Lone_Wanderer | just checking |
| 20:39.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not used to people talking about doing real, actual error checking in php ;) |
| 20:39.27 | mgeary | bwoahahaahah |
| 20:40.00 | Utah_Dave | I think it's hilarious that dataw0lf's last statement was "I need to control my temper" |
| 20:40.01 | mgeary | herlo, the problem i have with that is how many try()s is too many.... |
| 20:40.06 | Utah_Dave | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 20:40.29 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 137 messages. Is idling for 18h 56m 7s, last said: 'I need to control my temper'. |
| 20:40.30 | mgeary | i mean, things *could* fail all over |
| 20:40.30 | mgeary | a PHP extension might not be installed.... |
| 20:40.30 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: dataw0lf needs to control his temper |
| 20:40.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ~dataw0lf |
| 20:40.47 | jbot | well, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 20:41.08 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: dataw0lf is also a guy who needs to control his temper |
| 20:41.09 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 20:41.26 | Utah_Dave | ~dataw0lf |
| 20:41.28 | jbot | rumour has it, dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, or a guy who needs to control his temper |
| 20:41.42 | herlo | mgeary: exceptions are supposed to be there for things you don't expect, not just things you do. Usually though, I program them for things that I expect to fail and then deal with them that way |
| 20:41.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I wish I could make him say "dataw0lf needs to release his anger" along with that. |
| 20:42.24 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: watch |
| 20:42.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I also wish this site were less complex so the site map wouldn't challenge my graph theory skillz. |
| 20:42.41 | herlo | jbot: dataw0lf is also needs to release his anger |
| 20:42.43 | jbot | herlo: okay |
| 20:42.50 | herlo | ~dataw0lf |
| 20:42.52 | jbot | it has been said that dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, or a guy who needs to control his temper, or needs to release his anger |
| 20:42.56 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
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| 20:44.58 | mindjuju | heya beandog, did you get that CSS to work for ya? |
| 20:45.14 | beandog | yah, thanks mindjuju |
| 20:45.34 | mgeary | hrm. an exception isn't getting thrown |
| 20:45.51 | mgeary | what's the preferred pasteboard site here? |
| 20:46.18 | mgeary | pastebin.com is dog slow |
| 20:46.20 | mindjuju | coolio, i saw that SYNIC was all telling ya to use absolute positioning, the only prob there though is that absolute pulls the div out of the flow of the divs, so if your divs are all sitting relative, absolute positioning that cause havok, SYNIC |
| 20:47.20 | mgeary | http://pastebin.com/882544 |
| 20:47.48 | mgeary | when the file is NOT writable, the exception does not get thrown/caught |
| 20:48.41 | mgeary | http://pastecode.com/14444 is much faster |
| 20:51.36 | mgeary | any thoughts? |
| 20:56.22 | thebigdog | do you get an error? |
| 20:56.32 | mgeary | no, it just breezes past it all |
| 20:56.41 | mgeary | but the file does not get written. the try technically fails |
| 20:56.57 | mgeary | i assumed it was because i wasn't catching the right exception |
| 20:57.07 | mgeary | but i'm just using a default Exception |
| 20:57.12 | mgeary | haven't gotten to subclassing that yet |
| 20:57.14 | thebigdog | that is all you need for tha |
| 20:57.23 | mgeary | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 20:57.37 | thebigdog | u should need to subclass it unless you need other methods or functionality |
| 20:57.49 | thebigdog | s/should/shouldnt/ |
| 20:57.59 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:58.18 | mgeary | i'm just gonna do what i normally do for now |
| 20:58.32 | mgeary | but it'd be cool to have a UG meeting on Exceptions |
| 20:58.34 | mgeary | IMHO |
| 20:59.20 | thebigdog | i would double check fopen and see what errors can happen on your os |
| 20:59.59 | thebigdog | what os are you on? |
| 21:00.21 | mgeary | OS X for development |
| 21:00.32 | thebigdog | and double check yoru file location too |
| 21:00.43 | mgeary | well, i know *why* it's not working |
| 21:00.54 | mgeary | i don't know why the exception isn't being thrown |
| 21:01.11 | mgeary | the permissions are wrong. is_writable() fails |
| 21:01.29 | mgeary | that's not my problem. i just want to improve my error handling by using exceptions, but am not making much headway there |
| 21:02.08 | thebigdog | fopen does not throw and error if it fails to open |
| 21:02.44 | thebigdog | basically fopen throws a warning when the file cant be open |
| 21:03.11 | thebigdog | fopen returns false and E_WARNING is generated |
| 21:03.14 | mgeary | so it wouldn't be possible to use an Exception there |
| 21:03.39 | mgeary | unless i did one manually by wrapping is_writable or such |
| 21:06.22 | thebigdog | yeah file i/o is a little different with exceptions...in other langs you get exceptions not sure why php uses warnings |
| 21:06.47 | mgeary | okay, thanks |
| 21:08.05 | thebigdog | what is your error reporting settings |
| 21:08.07 | thebigdog | ? |
| 21:08.24 | thebigdog | if you want to add E_WARNING if it is not there |
| 21:08.34 | thebigdog | then you might be able to use try/catch with it |
| 21:09.01 | thebigdog | im thinking you might not have warnings in your error reporting level |
| 21:09.31 | mgeary | i think i do, it's 2039. lemme check the ini |
| 21:10.03 | mgeary | E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE |
| 21:13.48 | mgeary | anyway, i still vote for a UG meeting on Exceptions |
| 21:14.21 | mgeary | seeing as how i'm such a regular attendee and all |
| 22:01.22 | synic | mindjuju: it wasn't me |
| 22:01.29 | synic | mindjuju: probably tierra |
| 22:01.39 | mindjuju | oh yeah, maybe it was tierra |
| 22:01.57 | tierra | it was |
| 22:02.31 | mindjuju | it was! |
| 22:02.42 | tierra | and yes, absolute/relative positioning can be a pain to work with sometimes, but it can do things margins can't :) |
| 22:03.14 | mindjuju | true that, but it also pulls the div with positioning out of the flow, so if everything is relative, it can be hard to work with |
| 22:03.25 | mindjuju | but it sounds like that's what your saying |
| 22:03.29 | mindjuju | so i guess we're agreeing |
| 22:03.36 | tierra | yeah, not arguing that |
| 22:03.57 | tierra | though there's tricks to managing that as well, but overall, it can be a pain |
| 22:04.21 | tierra | I was just saying it' |
| 22:04.39 | mindjuju | yeah, i was more teasing when i said what i said |
| 22:05.24 | tierra | you sure you don't want to put up the fist-a-cuffs? |
| 22:05.27 | tierra | :) |
| 22:07.27 | tierra | !roulette |
| 22:07.34 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy tierra |
| 22:07.36 | jbot | ACTION runs up to tierra and pokes tierra in the eyes! |
| 22:07.39 | tierra | ~roulette |
| 22:07.40 | jbot | ACTION watches tierra pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 22:07.44 | synic | haha |
| 22:07.48 | synic | you lose |
| 22:08.08 | tierra | ... jbot just said I got to the gun first :) |
| 22:08.24 | mindjuju | here all this time, i didn't know about roulette |
| 22:08.30 | mindjuju | ~roulette |
| 22:08.32 | jbot | ACTION watches mindjuju pull the trigger: Click! |
| 22:08.37 | tierra | heh |
| 22:08.45 | tierra | I knew most bots had it, so I guessed |
| 22:09.00 | mindjuju | curious! |
| 22:45.43 | thebigdog | ~hammer mindjuju |
| 22:45.54 | thebigdog | ~chop mindjuju |
| 22:46.18 | thebigdog | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 22:46.20 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 22:46.56 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:47.03 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 22:47.12 | thebigdog | not much |
| 22:48.48 | thebigdog | cranking some tunes and coding is all |
| 22:51.27 | thebigdog | how about you? |
| 22:52.39 | mindjuju | not too bad, staying out of trouble |
| 22:53.09 | thebigdog | nice |
| 22:53.13 | thebigdog | how was the meeting? |
| 22:55.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a site mapping tool (like visio, only free) that I can use on a Mac? |
| 22:57.09 | thebigdog | there is dia |
| 22:57.17 | thebigdog | not sure if it runs on mac |
| 22:57.27 | mgeary | omnigraffle |
| 22:57.30 | mgeary | awesome |
| 22:57.37 | mgeary | but not free |
| 22:57.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, we tried that one, the free version only lets you do 20 items, including lines, and this graph is bigger than that. |
| 22:58.20 | thebigdog | man i want a mac so bad...:( i just need $3000 |
| 22:58.42 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, check dia and see if runs on mac |
| 22:58.47 | macnewbold | thebigdog: get a mini - $600-1000 |
| 22:58.50 | macnewbold | they're awesome |
| 22:58.55 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 22:58.57 | thebigdog | i want a laptop |
| 22:59.10 | thebigdog | 17in |
| 22:59.16 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: dia, xfig, and there's a bunch of others I can't remember right now |
| 22:59.17 | thebigdog | with everything |
| 22:59.29 | macnewbold | inkscape might work too |
| 22:59.53 | macnewbold | it does scalable graphics (vector based) instead of bitmapped, so it might be handy if you need to print out different sizes |
| 22:59.54 | macnewbold | etc |
| 23:00.11 | macnewbold | the guys in #utah might know some good ones too |
| 23:00.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Checking there as well. |
| 23:01.13 | Lone_Wanderer | But, somewhat typically, they're saying "What do you mean?" and correcting my definitions. |
| 23:01.27 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:01.37 | macnewbold | better than what you'd get on the plug list... ;) |
| 23:01.42 | macnewbold | ~flame pluglist |
| 23:01.49 | jbot | pluglist, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 23:01.49 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, what are you wanting to create in particular? |
| 23:02.14 | macnewbold | diagram of a site map, it sounds like |
| 23:02.21 | macnewbold | boxes connected by lines |
| 23:02.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Umm. I found dia but the stuff they want me to do confuses me. |
| 23:02.30 | macnewbold | maybe some ellipses or circles or rounded corner boxes |
| 23:02.43 | tierra | I cry everytime I see new topics on PLUG show up in my email |
| 23:02.45 | thebigdog | ok...show me an example? |
| 23:02.57 | macnewbold | I've used dia before, if you want help? |
| 23:03.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Imagine a page w ith lots of boxes connected by lines. And with labels on the boxes. |
| 23:03.06 | bradym | I use FreeMind to map out sites - http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
| 23:03.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Aye, help would be good. |
| 23:03.16 | macnewbold | tierra: if you need one, I can get you a procmail rule that files your pluglist mail into /dev/null for you... |
| 23:03.24 | tierra | hehe |
| 23:03.26 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer are you thinking case study or flow? |
| 23:03.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Neither. Just boxes connected by lines :( |
| 23:03.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a flowchart. |
| 23:03.43 | macnewbold | it sounds like heirarchical structure of a web site diagram |
| 23:03.53 | thebigdog | use dia then |
| 23:05.00 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer there is also a tool in eclipse that you can create diagrams too |
| 23:05.04 | thebigdog | but dia is my fav |
| 23:05.19 | thebigdog | koffice has a nice one is on linux |
| 23:31.21 | timinator | later guys |
| 23:31.25 | timinator | have a great weekend |
| 23:33.30 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:44.43 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 23:45.31 | _psychic_ | ~phit mindjuju |
| 23:45.33 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers mindjuju's direction. You now have a strong conviction that thebigdog isn't so big. |
| 23:45.51 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:46.04 | mindjuju | ~dhit _psychic_ |
| 23:46.05 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind _psychic_ and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 23:47.14 | _psychic_ | ~bdhit mindjuju |
| 23:47.17 | jbot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on mindjuju |
| 23:59.16 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 23:59.31 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@rrcs-67-79-41-152.sw.biz.rr.com) |