| 00:16.45 | thebigdog | ~love grep |
| 00:16.46 | jbot | If you love grep so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 00:16.54 | thebigdog | ~marry grep |
| 00:17.16 | dataw0lf | ~makelove python |
| 00:17.24 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 00:17.52 | mindjuju | ~tunafart dataw0lf |
| 00:17.53 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to dataw0lf, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 00:20.06 | Utah_Dave | later, everyone |
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| 00:20.56 | thebigdog | ~kick unum |
| 00:20.57 | jbot | bugger off, thebigdog! |
| 00:21.22 | thebigdog | nice too see 26 peeps in here |
| 00:29.04 | timinator | later guys |
| 00:36.58 | mindjuju | anybody know of a place that does web hosting with a flash comm server |
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| 01:15.54 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: influxis, looks like |
| 01:16.06 | dataw0lf | I hink rimu may offer it |
| 01:16.08 | dataw0lf | think* |
| 01:16.13 | dataw0lf | with managed hosting |
| 01:20.04 | mindjuju | i'll check them out. thx for the info |
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| 04:55.01 | thebigdog | beandog, you around? |
| 04:55.08 | beandog | yomes. |
| 04:55.16 | beandog | at work |
| 04:55.19 | beandog | all by his lonesome. |
| 04:55.24 | beandog | getting lots done though. |
| 04:55.30 | thebigdog | does windows have good support for xvid? |
| 04:55.41 | mindjuju | yup |
| 04:55.51 | beandog | wow, I dont think they even have a port. |
| 04:55.57 | beandog | I know its got the DivX player |
| 04:56.11 | mindjuju | for xvid? it comes with vlc player methinks |
| 04:57.04 | beandog | oh yah |
| 04:57.07 | beandog | vlc is great on windows. |
| 04:57.11 | beandog | from what Ive heard. |
| 04:57.20 | beandog | I never got into multimedia until I started using Linux, so I really have *no* freaking clue. |
| 04:57.22 | mindjuju | yeah, haven't had any probs and play darn near everything |
| 04:57.44 | mindjuju | even flv files |
| 04:58.06 | thebigdog | so wmp has support for xvid? |
| 04:58.56 | mindjuju | i usually play my vids with vlc |
| 04:59.46 | mindjuju | plus, now that i think about it, seems like i did get the xvid codec from somewhere |
| 04:59.49 | thebigdog | problem is that i might not be able to install other players but the default windows one |
| 05:00.16 | mindjuju | like if you try playing an xvid through wmp, it'll give an error, click on more info, it'll send you to a page called windows marketplace where you can get the codec for free |
| 05:00.31 | thebigdog | ok found it...you need the xvid codec installed and then you can watch them on windoes |
| 05:02.28 | thebigdog | all these d*** codecs to choose from |
| 05:02.45 | mindjuju | ~lart codecs |
| 05:04.09 | beandog | heh |
| 05:04.18 | beandog | I cant even imagine how much of a pain it is on Windows. |
| 05:04.27 | beandog | It can be pretty confusing on linux. |
| 05:04.56 | thebigdog | my big issue is that i watch them on windows and rip them on linux |
| 05:05.05 | mindjuju | yeah, like i've been trying to find a one button dvd backup for a long time |
| 05:05.12 | mindjuju | can't seem to find one that works on all dvd |
| 05:05.55 | beandog | heh |
| 05:06.24 | beandog | The problem is really badly authored DVDs |
| 05:06.28 | beandog | not badly authored rippers. |
| 05:06.38 | beandog | Simply, there is no way to automate the process |
| 05:06.46 | beandog | Youre always going to have to have some kind of human interaction. |
| 05:06.58 | beandog | Unless I got my dream project working which archived every track on movie dvds. Then you could automate it. |
| 05:07.21 | beandog | Ive already got a database of tons of TV show DVDs. Helpful for me, but that's about it. |
| 05:07.44 | beandog | That would be a really cool project though. Kind of like a CDDB for DVDs |
| 05:07.47 | mindjuju | yeah, i have hundreds of dvds i'd like to find some way to sling into a prog and rip them while i work |
| 05:08.04 | thebigdog | yeah that is what i want to do |
| 05:08.07 | beandog | mindjuju: my bend program will do that, just takes some gentle nudging to setup. |
| 05:08.13 | thebigdog | rip to xvid -> then to ipod |
| 05:08.20 | beandog | I wrote it to rip literally hundreds of DVDs |
| 05:08.38 | mindjuju | yup, that's what i need, just rip to xvid, end of story |
| 05:08.41 | beandog | worked great, too. I stopped working on it when I realized I didnt watch them on my computer anyway. |
| 05:08.51 | mindjuju | i'm running xbmc so it plays xvids just swimmingly |
| 05:10.04 | beandog | buh. |
| 05:10.07 | beandog | I wish I could get that working. |
| 05:10.17 | thebigdog | man i just need to get some storage...new sata 750gs are coming soon |
| 05:10.17 | beandog | maybe theyll port it to PS3 |
| 05:10.20 | mindjuju | xbmc? |
| 05:10.38 | mindjuju | do you have an xbox that it doesn't work on? |
| 05:10.54 | beandog | I dont have an xbox |
| 05:10.58 | beandog | modding them is such a hassle. |
| 05:11.18 | mindjuju | i've helped 3 xboxs "see the light", no incidents |
| 05:11.30 | mindjuju | and it's softmod, so doesn't cost a dime |
| 05:11.43 | mindjuju | 'xcept about 30 minutes of time |
| 05:11.58 | beandog | really? |
| 05:11.59 | beandog | huh. |
| 05:12.05 | beandog | are they quiet? |
| 05:12.19 | beandog | that's my big beef with a mythbox, is its another windtunnel in my living room. |
| 05:12.39 | mindjuju | well, to be honest, i would't know what to compare it to, as far as loudness goes |
| 05:12.47 | mindjuju | it does make some noise |
| 05:13.10 | mindjuju | i see it as a win-win in that when friends come over, theres plenty of xbox and tv's all set up ready to go |
| 05:13.52 | beandog | theres this one program |
| 05:13.54 | beandog | what was it. |
| 05:14.00 | beandog | Hauppauge has this one little media center |
| 05:14.02 | beandog | It is REALLY cool |
| 05:14.07 | mindjuju | media mvp? |
| 05:14.09 | beandog | mvpmc ... ? |
| 05:14.10 | beandog | yah |
| 05:14.13 | mindjuju | i was considering buying it |
| 05:14.15 | beandog | I tried that out, it was freaking fun |
| 05:14.23 | beandog | There was something not working with it htough |
| 05:14.23 | mindjuju | really? what about the interface? |
| 05:14.26 | mindjuju | heard it had issues |
| 05:14.31 | beandog | I dont remember nwo. |
| 05:14.35 | mindjuju | oh |
| 05:14.38 | beandog | I think it skipped really badly. |
| 05:14.44 | beandog | and the color was distorted. |
| 05:14.49 | mindjuju | well, with media mvp at $100 and a new xbox at $100 |
| 05:14.50 | beandog | awesome idea though, I hope it gets developed a bit more. |
| 05:14.51 | mindjuju | i thought xbox |
| 05:15.03 | mindjuju | cause it games and plays with no probs |
| 05:15.16 | beandog | can you do both? |
| 05:15.22 | beandog | I dont like the xbox for games |
| 05:15.25 | mindjuju | well, not at the same time |
| 05:15.54 | mindjuju | but yeah, you can watch a movie, get tired of the flix, then choose a game, play game |
| 05:16.02 | mindjuju | but games don't play from the SAN |
| 05:16.06 | mindjuju | they have to be local to the xbox |
| 05:17.07 | beandog | huh |
| 05:17.07 | beandog | funky. |
| 05:17.12 | beandog | alright, Im heading home |
| 05:17.16 | beandog | g'nite all |
| 05:17.28 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 16:06.29 | _psychic_ | ~phit mindjuju |
| 16:06.32 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers mindjuju's direction. You now have a strong conviction that Java is concise. |
| 16:08.53 | dataw0lf | just in case you guys don't read Penny Arcade religiously, like me: http://kotaku.com/gaming/ds/can-the-ds-attract-child-molesters-234928.php |
| 16:10.57 | dataw0lf | hehe this fox reporter is hilarious |
| 16:11.29 | _psychic_ | dear goodness |
| 16:11.40 | _psychic_ | ~asplode sensationalism |
| 16:11.42 | jbot | sensationalism head asplode, k thx |
| 16:11.53 | dataw0lf | ~asplode fear mongering |
| 16:11.54 | jbot | fear mongering head asplode, k thx |
| 16:12.47 | _psychic_ | So the area of danger is what, 300'? |
| 16:13.03 | dataw0lf | heh, read the latest PA about it |
| 16:15.11 | dataw0lf | looks like Bioware is about to have another blockbuster on it's hands. |
| 16:15.14 | dataw0lf | <3 bioware |
| 16:19.16 | _psychic_ | ? |
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| 17:13.04 | mindjuju | well, i talked to sheri |
| 17:13.21 | mindjuju | she up at web north, and got to talk to david shea |
| 17:13.52 | _psychic_ | that's cool |
| 17:14.00 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm jealous |
| 17:14.44 | mindjuju | this looks pretty cool, i wonder how well it works |
| 17:14.45 | mindjuju | http://www.vonage.com/newvonagevphone/flash.html |
| 17:15.42 | _psychic_ | sweet |
| 17:16.13 | _psychic_ | NOT |
| 17:16.18 | _psychic_ | no software for macs |
| 17:29.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: It ain't all that and a bag of chips |
| 17:30.08 | mindjuju | looked cool. is there better? |
| 17:30.35 | jsmith | That's the little USB key with a Vonage softphone and a usb soundcard, right? |
| 17:30.53 | mindjuju | yeah, i think so |
| 17:31.00 | mindjuju | don't know a lot about telphony |
| 17:31.07 | mindjuju | telephony i mean |
| 17:31.17 | jsmith | Yeah, that's the one. |
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| 17:31.31 | jsmith | It's a cheap USB soundcard with a copy of their softphone on it. |
| 17:31.50 | mindjuju | yeah, but i mean is that easy to do with another service? |
| 17:32.40 | jsmith | Sure! |
| 17:33.06 | jsmith | There are dozens of free softphones out there, that you can hook up to any VoIP provider that supports SIP or IAX signalling |
| 17:34.22 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: look at Arrivaltel.com |
| 17:34.26 | jsmith | RFC3261 |
| 17:34.31 | timinator | " for getting software that does't have a mac version |
| 17:34.32 | Utah_Dave | local company, good service |
| 17:34.39 | jsmith | And yes, arrivaltel is a good local VoIP provider |
| 17:34.42 | timinator | dang... I can't type today |
| 17:38.10 | mindjuju | who has VOIP at home, and if VOIP at home, do you have a backup landline to the house for "just in case" |
| 17:38.40 | mindjuju | we've stripped all the services off our telephone line so that it is just bare bones, but it's still crazy pricey |
| 17:39.13 | macnewbold | mindjuju: how much is avg cost of a lunch at goodwood? |
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| 17:40.27 | mindjuju | uno momento porfavor |
| 17:45.47 | mindjuju | burgers are $7 , lunch platters start at 8.99 |
| 17:45.54 | mindjuju | if you PM me your email addy, i'll send to you |
| 17:46.15 | beandog | send what |
| 17:46.24 | mindjuju | menu for goodwood |
| 17:46.40 | xilch|w | probably been asked several times already, but whats the address for goodwood? |
| 17:47.36 | mindjuju | Address:<font size="3"> 133 E 12300 S, Draper, UT</font> |
| 17:47.37 | mindjuju | Phone:<font size="3"> (801) 495-4840 </font> |
| 17:47.44 | timinator | eek... font tags |
| 17:47.53 | beandog | haha!</nelson> |
| 17:48.33 | timinator | most of us haven't used font tags since adolescence |
| 17:49.02 | timinator | font tags and achne... those were the good ol' days |
| 17:49.55 | mindjuju | <font size="3">anybody else need the menu?</font> |
| 17:50.53 | beandog | lol |
| 17:51.29 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: my wife and I were doing the same thing. We were paying $35/mo to Qwest for a basic line. I think we had call waiting. No voicemail, callerid, etc |
| 17:52.03 | mindjuju | <font size="3">i think that's what we have. My wife runs all the bills, and I don't make calls enough to know</font> |
| 17:52.05 | Utah_Dave | we signed up for Arrivaltel last week and are canceling Qwest once our number ports over |
| 17:52.06 | macnewbold | is that $35 incl. taxes/fees too? |
| 17:52.18 | mindjuju | <font size="3">yeah, i think that's what it is</font> |
| 17:52.20 | Utah_Dave | yeah. |
| 17:52.22 | mindjuju | <font size="3">and i think that's what we are paying</font> |
| 17:52.32 | mindjuju | <font size="3">that's NUTS!!!!</font> |
| 17:52.34 | Utah_Dave | Arrivaltel in-state service is $10/month |
| 17:52.37 | macnewbold | our "package" is I think $25/mo before the fees and long distance |
| 17:52.50 | macnewbold | ~lart font tags |
| 17:52.53 | mindjuju | <font size="3">for just a dumb phone line that has barebones service</font> |
| 17:53.05 | Utah_Dave | unlimited in the 801 area code and 2cent/min long distance |
| 17:53.19 | Utah_Dave | and every feature you could think of |
| 17:53.48 | Utah_Dave | plus I can call home from my laptop by call sip:8015551234@s1.arrivaltel.com |
| 17:53.54 | mindjuju | <font size="3">so the question is though, do we cut the landline? in a disaster, cell could be knocked out. internet could be knocked out. course though, i guess phone line could be knocked out</font> |
| 17:54.35 | Utah_Dave | I've thought about that a lot. I've decided that enough people have cell phones and regular land lines around us that it's not too big an issue |
| 17:55.03 | Utah_Dave | and I got me a ups to run my routers and phones on |
| 17:55.32 | mindjuju | <font size="3">i should prolly just get a portable ham</font> |
| 17:56.04 | beandog | strip_tags('mindjuju'); |
| 17:56.13 | mindjuju | <font size="3">huh?</font> |
| 17:56.38 | beandog | the fonts, man |
| 17:56.40 | beandog | the fonts! |
| 17:56.43 | beandog | enough with the fonts! |
| 17:57.23 | mindjuju | <font size="3">am i using funny fonts?</font> |
| 17:58.05 | beandog | buh. |
| 18:02.49 | timinator | lol |
| 18:29.49 | beandog | stupid timeout. |
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| 19:01.51 | beandog | mindjuju: ping |
| 19:01.55 | beandog | got another friend coming |
| 19:02.01 | beandog | do you know how many are coming? |
| 19:02.41 | beandog | and what time is the lunch? |
| 19:03.30 | beandog | 1p? |
| 19:04.38 | beandog | he probably left already. |
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| 19:09.36 | macnewbold | we'll probably be fine, beandog - he had 3 cancel yesterday |
| 19:09.49 | beandog | ok |
| 19:12.21 | mindjuju | <font size="3">sorry, i'm back. had a quick pow wow on some stuff</font> |
| 19:12.32 | mindjuju | <font size="3">1p, yes</font> |
| 19:12.56 | beandog | mindjuju: you do know everything you say is in font tags, dont you? |
| 19:12.58 | macnewbold | mindjuju: you're going to get smacked |
| 19:13.09 | macnewbold | mindjuju: <font size="3">sorry, i'm back. had a quick pow wow on some stuff</font> |
| 19:13.11 | macnewbold | mindjuju: <font size="3">1p, yes</font> |
| 19:13.14 | macnewbold | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 19:13.16 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 19:13.23 | mindjuju | <font size="3">why is it doing that?</font> |
| 19:13.30 | macnewbold | ~insult mindjuju |
| 19:13.32 | beandog | dunno, but thats why I was screaming at you earlier |
| 19:13.41 | beandog | I figured you were just trying to make me insane. |
| 19:13.43 | beandog | which was working. |
| 19:13.44 | beandog | :) |
| 19:14.04 | mindjuju | <font size="3">i didn't think you could use font tags in IRC. i'll reboot GAIM</font> |
| 19:14.06 | macnewbold | ~curse mindjuju |
| 19:14.07 | jbot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, mindjuju ! |
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| 19:14.58 | beandog | ~lart gaim |
| 19:15.09 | mindjuju | is this better? |
| 19:15.11 | beandog | yes |
| 19:15.14 | beandog | \o/ |
| 19:15.21 | macnewbold | nice |
| 19:15.33 | mindjuju | that's weird! i didn't show me as typing in HTML |
| 19:16.22 | mindjuju | steak fries |
| 19:16.25 | beandog | thats okay, gaim is poopy. |
| 19:16.28 | mindjuju | BBQ beans |
| 19:16.31 | beandog | Right now it shows 11 of 10 possible friends are online. |
| 19:32.55 | beandog | hmm I think I know whats doing it |
| 19:32.58 | beandog | crappy jabber support. |
| 19:33.30 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 19:34.17 | beandog | I think if I have people subscribed to me, that I'm not subscribed to, gaim still thinks they are a buddy. |
| 19:34.22 | beandog | and it's counting it there. |
| 19:34.53 | mindjuju | this is craziness |
| 19:34.54 | mindjuju | New York's governor declared a disaster in Oswego County, where five straight days of lake-effect squalls have dumped nearly 100 inches of snow, and even more snow was forecast through the weekend. |
| 19:36.57 | beandog | lake-effect squalls? |
| 19:37.05 | beandog | 100 inches? |
| 19:37.06 | beandog | freek. |
| 19:37.21 | mindjuju | yeah, that's craziness |
| 19:37.26 | beandog | alright, Im heading out. |
| 19:37.34 | mindjuju | course though, you could make a heck of a snow fort |
| 19:37.42 | beandog | heh |
| 19:40.13 | dataw0lf | hehe fark |
| 19:40.18 | dataw0lf | "Step 1: Steal 244 pairs of underpants at Brigham Young. Step 2: ???? Step 3: Prophet" |
| 19:46.14 | thebigdog | nice job posting "You will be using leading edge and even un-released technologies to develop true next-generation web applications." |
| 19:46.48 | thebigdog | we are using the unreleased web2.0 duck interface |
| 19:47.48 | jsmith | thebigdog: That's not a duck... that's a small goose! |
| 19:48.06 | thebigdog | yeah something like that |
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| 20:22.24 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v _psychic_] by ChanServ |
| 20:31.52 | timinator | a little Sublime, April 29, 1992 |
| 20:33.15 | timinator | followed up w/ Nat King Cole, L.O.V.E. |
| 20:33.56 | dataw0lf | s/April 29/April 26 |
| 20:34.04 | timinator | hey, is there any way to show the current song playing in iTunes, in IRC? |
| 20:34.09 | fungus | What a horrible time asterisk to go south. Just as I was about to go to the geek lunch. |
| 20:34.22 | timinator | hmmm.... my mp3 is missnamed |
| 20:34.28 | fungus | timinator: depends on the IRC client. |
| 20:34.29 | dataw0lf | timinator: what irc client? |
| 20:34.32 | timinator | damn limewire |
| 20:34.33 | jsmith | fungus: Having Asterisk problems? |
| 20:34.42 | timinator | Colloquy |
| 20:35.03 | timinator | Mac OS 10.4 baby |
| 20:35.07 | fungus | Not really asterisk, problems with the server that provides asterisk. |
| 20:35.19 | timinator | not good fungus |
| 20:35.19 | fungus | Thanks for the offer, but I fixed it. Just a PITA |
| 20:35.47 | timinator | now playing POD, Boom |
| 20:36.04 | fungus | timinator: Colloquy has a built-in for that. /itunes |
| 20:36.11 | jsmith | fungus: I had no idea you were running Asterisk |
| 20:36.27 | fungus | Yup, for about a year now. |
| 20:36.35 | dataw0lf | dang, I wish my shrimp tempura would get here |
| 20:36.36 | fungus | I didn't set it up, but the sysadmin that did, is gone now. |
| 20:36.43 | timinator | NICE |
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| 20:38.16 | timinator | it's probably better that I have to type /itunes for it to show up.... then you all can know when I'm playing POD, but not when i'm playing Fergalicious |
| 20:38.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:39.05 | timinator | I'm kidding guys |
| 20:39.12 | timinator | sheesh |
| 20:40.36 | dataw0lf | huh |
| 20:40.42 | dataw0lf | why aren't colors in irssi working all of a sudden |
| 20:41.13 | jsmith | Change themes? |
| 20:42.16 | dataw0lf | %3%Bhmmmm |
| 20:42.42 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 20:43.03 | dataw0lf | 3hm |
| 20:44.47 | dataw0lf | mmmmm |
| 20:44.50 | dataw0lf | shrimp tempura |
| 20:47.45 | timinator | I'm like Jack FM... I play what I want |
| 20:47.47 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:48.28 | fungus | Jojo? WTF my 10 yr old niece listens to that. :) |
| 20:48.37 | timinator | LMAO |
| 20:49.04 | wps | she has excellent taste |
| 20:49.28 | dataw0lf | is that jojo from kc and jojo? |
| 20:49.29 | fungus | She also likes any band Disney produces. |
| 20:50.15 | dataw0lf | aw, jeez, she's like 10 |
| 20:50.25 | dataw0lf | I don't listen to anyone who's born after 1982 |
| 20:50.34 | timinator | LMAO |
| 20:50.52 | wps | the best thing that has come out of Disney is Bo Peep off of Toy Storyt |
| 20:51.07 | dataw0lf | she got a record contract? |
| 20:51.33 | fungus | When I see her ipod full of Hillary Duff, other radio disney crap, and Jojo, it can't be good. |
| 20:51.49 | timinator | you guys heard of Marc Broussard? |
| 20:52.02 | timinator | he's young, but he's got a kick butt voice |
| 20:52.19 | wps | the best thing that has come out of Disney is Bo Peep off of Toy Storyt |
| 20:52.47 | dataw0lf | oh noes wps has been taken over by a robot |
| 20:53.03 | _psychic_ | ...one that likes Jojo |
| 20:53.11 | wps | sorry about that… didn't up-arrow twice |
| 20:54.01 | dataw0lf | bang bang bang the bigger the better bang bang bang, you ain't a baby no more, baaby |
| 20:54.19 | dataw0lf | I'll rub that cheap black off your lips, baby, so take a swallow, as I spit, baby |
| 20:54.40 | dataw0lf | the rest of the lyrics are inappropriate, unfortunately |
| 20:55.17 | dataw0lf | oh noes _psychic_ has been taken over by a 12 year old japanese boy |
| 20:55.28 | timinator | what does everyone think of Apple's latest news in the music industry? |
| 20:55.37 | timinator | LOL DW |
| 20:55.44 | dataw0lf | I for one welcome our new Apple overlords |
| 20:55.48 | _psychic_ | ~phit dataw0lf |
| 20:55.50 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers dataw0lf's direction. You now have a strong conviction that Java is concise. |
| 20:55.50 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: hehe |
| 20:56.00 | fungus | News? I only saw the commentary by the great and powerful Wizard of Jobs. |
| 20:56.21 | dataw0lf | Jobs isn't a wizard. He's the anti christ! |
| 20:56.37 | wps | I think it's great, timinator, and hope that they can use their influence to get the labels to wake up |
| 20:56.44 | _psychic_ | um... he's says DRM is bad, does that make DRM god? |
| 20:57.24 | fungus | "because of the wonderful things he does..." |
| 20:57.43 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:57.53 | timinator | I agree wps |
| 20:58.16 | dataw0lf | how ironic that Jobs goes anti DRM |
| 20:58.21 | _psychic_ | why? |
| 20:58.31 | dataw0lf | since Apple has benefited the most of pretty much any company FROM DRM |
| 20:58.39 | wps | I disagree |
| 20:58.40 | fungus | I think it is refreshing to see someone in a powerful position to understand how DRM is considered harmful |
| 20:58.47 | wps | Apple would have been just as successful without DRM |
| 20:58.50 | _psychic_ | They had to court the labels to distribute the tunes at all dataw0lf |
| 20:58.53 | dataw0lf | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=4447 |
| 20:58.56 | wps | Apple doesn't make money from the music |
| 20:58.59 | wps | they only care about hardware |
| 20:59.05 | fungus | I think iTunes would be *more* successful w/o DRM. |
| 20:59.19 | _psychic_ | so does everyone but the record companies |
| 20:59.36 | jsmith | It's not a zero-sum game |
| 20:59.37 | fungus | look at emusic.com they are doing very well so far. |
| 21:00.16 | dataw0lf | I'm not saying that they couldn't have benefitted MORE from DRM |
| 21:00.26 | dataw0lf | I'm saying they HAVE benefitted from DRM implementation |
| 21:00.51 | _psychic_ | sure, but it kinda goes without saying - no DRM, no music |
| 21:00.56 | _psychic_ | (for now) |
| 21:01.11 | fungus | my point is that their success is not due to DRM at all. |
| 21:01.11 | timinator | I disagree... they have benefitted from their hardware and software.... the DRM is holding them back |
| 21:01.22 | dataw0lf | I love how you're evangelizing Jobs yet he has been implementing DRM from the very beginning |
| 21:01.34 | fungus | I agree |
| 21:01.36 | _psychic_ | who is? |
| 21:01.51 | fungus | implementing DRM in the first place is a step towards evil. |
| 21:01.58 | dataw0lf | all of you guys. Jobs isn't anti-DRM. He's pro money. |
| 21:02.06 | _psychic_ | duh |
| 21:02.13 | timinator | ya, duh |
| 21:02.17 | timinator | :) |
| 21:02.21 | dataw0lf | so don't act like he's the second coming of christ for saying he doesn't like it |
| 21:02.22 | dataw0lf | crikey |
| 21:02.43 | timinator | naw.... I'm talking about something bigger than that.... |
| 21:02.45 | dataw0lf | Jobs is as evil as they get. If he could make more money with DRM, he'd be wholeheartedly behind it. |
| 21:03.11 | dataw0lf | I just don't like Jobs |
| 21:03.18 | dataw0lf | and I don't like hearing positive things said about him |
| 21:03.18 | timinator | w/o the DRM.... and w/ the alliance w/ Apple Corp.... Apple is poised to BECOME a label |
| 21:03.19 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 21:03.19 | _psychic_ | oh really? ;) |
| 21:03.29 | dataw0lf | if someone said Jobs had a nice hair |
| 21:03.31 | dataw0lf | I'd be like |
| 21:03.33 | dataw0lf | YEA WHATEVER DOOD |
| 21:03.36 | dataw0lf | HIS HAIR SUCKS |
| 21:03.47 | timinator | they'll control production, labeling, and distribution |
| 21:03.51 | _psychic_ | In a non-emotive, objective, sort of way, I'd guess. |
| 21:04.21 | dataw0lf | now, I like teh real Steve |
| 21:04.24 | dataw0lf | da Woz |
| 21:05.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051104/1351251.shtml |
| 21:05.34 | dataw0lf | I don't think anyone can argue that Apple happily embraces lock-in as much as they can |
| 21:06.37 | timinator | I'll still argue it.... your story simply shows that MS and Apple don't play nice... that's been going on for years |
| 21:07.00 | dataw0lf | it hardly is some tactic just against MS |
| 21:07.07 | timinator | DRM was setup by RIAA, not apple |
| 21:07.23 | dataw0lf | it's a tactic to monopolize in any arena they jump into |
| 21:07.30 | fungus | I still say Apple (Jobs) is slightly less evil than MS (Gates and co) |
| 21:07.30 | timinator | the Zune is in the same boat |
| 21:07.31 | dataw0lf | just like MS does |
| 21:07.39 | dataw0lf | fungus: I disagree |
| 21:07.51 | dataw0lf | if anything, they're the same |
| 21:07.54 | timinator | fungus: I agree |
| 21:08.00 | dataw0lf | Apple's just more stylish to geeks |
| 21:08.05 | fungus | MS never made any public statement about DRM distaste. |
| 21:08.05 | timinator | same because they're big? |
| 21:08.07 | dataw0lf | a pure marketing ploy |
| 21:08.17 | dataw0lf | who cares if MS did? |
| 21:08.19 | dataw0lf | that's the point |
| 21:08.27 | dataw0lf | Jobs can talk out his butt all he wants |
| 21:08.55 | dataw0lf | Who cares what his personal feelings are? He runs a company that practices lock-in tactics to an extreme degree. |
| 21:09.16 | fungus | Devil (Gates) -> Bad man (Jobs) -> God (RMS) |
| 21:09.50 | dataw0lf | Devil (Jobs) -> Devil's gay lover (Gates) -> God (dw) |
| 21:10.01 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 21:10.04 | timinator | haha |
| 21:10.04 | fungus | lol |
| 21:10.20 | _psychic_ | Why is neither continuum surprising to me? |
| 21:10.51 | dataw0lf | because it sums up both of our attitudes fairly well? |
| 21:11.06 | dataw0lf | http://rap4.com/paintball/os/rap4-land-warrior-system-wireless-camera-p-2280.html |
| 21:11.07 | dataw0lf | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:11.09 | dataw0lf | me wants |
| 21:11.48 | fungus | http://www.apple.com/iphone/ |
| 21:11.50 | fungus | me wants |
| 21:11.52 | fungus | :) |
| 21:12.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:13.36 | dataw0lf | I'd never get past the doorman.. |
| 21:13.39 | _psychic_ | At least fungus can conference call you all in and send you emails of pictures of him, Steve, and Billy. |
| 21:13.40 | timinator | wow.... I thought only God could hand out those |
| 21:13.43 | timinator | LOL DW |
| 21:14.23 | dataw0lf | Jobs can be right every now and then though |
| 21:14.31 | dataw0lf | In an interview in the book What the Dormouse Said: How the 60s Counterculture Shaped the Personal Computer Industry, Jobs says that taking LSD was "one of the two or three most important things he has done in his life." |
| 21:14.47 | fungus | LOL, awesome. |
| 21:14.57 | timinator | my boss quotes that to me all the time |
| 21:14.58 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:15.21 | fungus | it takes a drug like that to do it too. |
| 21:15.38 | timinator | "timinator, we need some good ideas, go take some acid" |
| 21:15.45 | fungus | Pot makes them think they are smart, but takes out the drive to actually do it. |
| 21:15.59 | dataw0lf | fungus: Agreed |
| 21:16.07 | timinator | depends.... |
| 21:16.17 | dataw0lf | shrooms or acid are much more beneficial than any other drug |
| 21:16.21 | timinator | I know a few potheads.... and they're VERY motivated |
| 21:16.27 | fungus | Coke, makes them stupid but want to do everything. |
| 21:16.49 | dataw0lf | timinator: oh, sure, but pot doesn't have the same reality perception changing effect that a true hallucinogen does. |
| 21:17.13 | fungus | pot just makes me sedentary and mindful. |
| 21:17.27 | dataw0lf | pot just makes me cough and giggle |
| 21:17.41 | fungus | that too |
| 21:17.59 | dataw0lf | I'd rather drink a beer |
| 21:18.13 | timinator | mmmmmm beeeerrr |
| 21:18.26 | timinator | </homer> |
| 21:18.42 | fungus | nah, I'd rather drink a Cosmo. beer tastes like piss |
| 21:18.51 | dataw0lf | you're drinking the wrong type of beer my friend |
| 21:18.57 | dataw0lf | mmmm sierra nevada wheat beer |
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| 21:23.06 | Utah_Dave | "Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name" |
| 21:24.06 | dataw0lf | mmm, good call Dave |
| 21:24.18 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:24.27 | Utah_Dave | just set up currenttrack plugin for gaim |
| 21:25.26 | timinator | just for DW |
| 21:28.38 | dataw0lf | NWS: http://youtube.com/watch?v=N3EiHfAQUsw |
| 21:28.42 | dataw0lf | love this clip |
| 21:29.01 | dataw0lf | greatest montage ever |
| 21:38.15 | mindjuju | well, talk about some good eats! |
| 21:41.11 | fungus | my phone system decided to barf when I was about to leave. |
| 21:41.13 | fungus | :( |
| 21:41.39 | dataw0lf | http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/02/09/senator_repeats_bad_language_written_about_him/ |
| 21:41.42 | dataw0lf | what a petty jackass |
| 21:42.56 | mindjuju | i admint, going to walmart can be a stressful event, but this seems a bit much |
| 21:42.57 | mindjuju | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5194529?source=rss |
| 21:43.26 | dataw0lf | I'd slit my wrists too if I found out I was in Wal-Mart. |
| 21:45.24 | mindjuju | well, time to go for a nice jog |
| 21:45.24 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070207/sc_nm/men_sweat_dc |
| 21:48.24 | dataw0lf | http://jet-man.com/playervideo.swf?video=jetman2007.flv |
| 21:49.41 | mindjuju | how are you putting those domino symbols timinator? |
| 21:50.14 | timinator | it's part of Colloquy, my IRC client. |
| 21:50.23 | timinator | it's a plugin for iTunes |
| 21:50.39 | timinator | good old fungus told me about it |
| 21:50.54 | timinator | fungus++ |
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| 21:53.23 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v jsmith] by ChanServ |
| 22:01.34 | beandog | that was fun |
| 22:01.39 | beandog | geeklunch++ |
| 22:01.39 | mindjuju | yeah it wa |
| 22:01.45 | mindjuju | was! |
| 22:05.19 | Utah_Dave | whoops! did I let that through? |
| 22:05.24 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 22:05.33 | beandog | how do you do that is listening to? |
| 22:05.52 | Utah_Dave | gaim plugin |
| 22:05.58 | beandog | buh. |
| 22:05.59 | beandog | gaim. |
| 22:06.00 | Utah_Dave | what client are you using? |
| 22:06.02 | timinator | Utah_Dave.... that only showed "/track" for me |
| 22:06.06 | beandog | xchat |
| 22:06.29 | wps | you type "/itunes" if you are using Colloquy |
| 22:06.37 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I type in the first part myself |
| 22:07.27 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 22:08.07 | dataw0lf | beandog: there are various scripts that are available for xchat that'll do it |
| 22:08.16 | dataw0lf | what mp3 player do you use? |
| 22:08.17 | _psychic_ | naw, get a mac |
| 22:08.19 | beandog | ok |
| 22:08.20 | beandog | audacious |
| 22:08.23 | beandog | I think I found one, hold on. |
| 22:08.39 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: you, sir, are evil. |
| 22:08.47 | _psychic_ | ~phit dataw0lf |
| 22:08.56 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers dataw0lf's direction. You now have a strong conviction that Windows is the OS for you. |
| 22:08.58 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
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| 22:09.16 | beandog | Audacious-Show 1.2.0 plugin loaded |
| 22:09.16 | beandog | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.19 | beandog | well thats poopy. |
| 22:09.34 | dataw0lf | try /music |
| 22:09.53 | beandog | was that it? |
| 22:10.07 | dataw0lf | yea, but you probably want to modify that plugin so it's kewler |
| 22:10.15 | beandog | like print out color? |
| 22:10.17 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 22:10.24 | dataw0lf | like says is listening to |
| 22:11.27 | beandog | ah |
| 22:11.27 | beandog | second. |
| 22:11.36 | beandog | mindjuju: audacious is a winamp clone |
| 22:11.40 | beandog | like xmms |
| 22:11.42 | beandog | and bmp |
| 22:11.45 | beandog | well, the old bmp. |
| 22:12.02 | dataw0lf | it's all about teh Exaile! |
| 22:12.21 | beandog | dataw0lf: gotta try that one. |
| 22:12.28 | dataw0lf | beandog: it's synic's |
| 22:12.44 | dataw0lf | http://www.exaile.org/ |
| 22:13.32 | beandog | just got put in portage, too |
| 22:13.35 | beandog | gotta keyword taht sucker. |
| 22:19.25 | *** part/#uphpu bradym (n=Brady@c-67-166-113-87.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:33.13 | mindjuju | too bad we're not playing HalfLife, or i'd get ya with the crowbar |
| 22:34.29 | mindjuju | ~timattack macnewbold and the tree |
| 22:34.31 | jbot | ACTION grabs an axe and starts to cut macnewbold and the tree down to size! |
| 22:35.28 | mindjuju | poor fungus! |
| 22:37.05 | mindjuju | i can't wait til they have the Halo RTS |
| 22:37.10 | mindjuju | i think that's going to be killer |
| 22:37.19 | dataw0lf | I can't wait til they get real virtual reality with some sort of brain implant |
| 22:38.32 | mindjuju | wasn't there a movie about that? and some dude's brain had a virus in it or something and he supposedly had room for 100g in his head or something |
| 22:38.45 | mindjuju | never saw the movie, but for some reason, i'm thinking kenau |
| 22:39.18 | fungus | I just need 802.11n in my brain. |
| 22:39.54 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yea, jonny mnemonic |
| 22:40.47 | mindjuju | seems to me by the time you factor everything in, 100g is prolly no more than a year's worth of memory |
| 22:41.11 | mindjuju | 3rd space, with perception of time, with smell, sound, touch, taste |
| 22:41.24 | dataw0lf | http://www.iolanguage.com/about/ |
| 22:41.43 | dataw0lf | 100g MIGHT be equatable with a day's worth of memories, imho |
| 22:43.55 | mindjuju | in that case, i've got 1241000g worth of memories to date! |
| 22:48.27 | fungus | it's your birthday today, mindjuju? |
| 22:48.36 | timinator | :) |
| 22:49.09 | timinator | "....Happy Birthday to mindjuju..." |
| 22:51.17 | beandog | whee! |
| 22:51.28 | beandog | that's pretty cool |
| 22:57.29 | mindjuju | well, in a couple of months, actually, so i'm off by a little bit |
| 22:57.39 | Utah_Dave | anybody have any luck decompiling, editing, and recompiling an .msi with wix? |
| 22:57.46 | Utah_Dave | I know this is pretty off topic |
| 22:59.19 | Utah_Dave | ok, not even close to on-topic |
| 23:11.25 | macnewbold | Utah_Dave: #utah might be able to help with your .msi question |
| 23:11.52 | timinator | later guys |
| 23:11.57 | timinator | I'm outie |
| 23:12.01 | macnewbold | bye timinator |
| 23:12.01 | beandog | seey atim |
| 23:45.08 | dataw0lf | anyone have an invite to Joost? :| |
| 23:46.49 | thebigdog | http://www.joost.com/apply.html |
| 23:48.25 | dataw0lf | yea, been there, done that |
| 23:48.27 | dataw0lf | I'm asking for an invite |
| 23:49.40 | thebigdog | ~invite dataw0lf |
| 23:49.44 | thebigdog | :) |
| 23:51.27 | beandog | joost? |
| 23:51.37 | dataw0lf | joost.com |
| 23:51.54 | beandog | A Linux version is also in the works. |
| 23:51.56 | beandog | jerks. |
| 23:53.29 | dataw0lf | awww |
| 23:53.30 | dataw0lf | someone call the |
| 23:53.32 | dataw0lf | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/walker66/normal_wahmbulance.jpg |
| 23:55.04 | _psychic_ | i think it should be bigger |
| 23:55.11 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: Do you have some handy text file open all the time so you can paste in pithy links at a moments notice? |
| 23:55.39 | dataw0lf | irssi script |
| 23:55.45 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 23:56.17 | dataw0lf | I have about 100 keywords that I can plug in to /smartaleck |
| 23:56.52 | dataw0lf | and I update the sqlite db it runs off weekly based on stuff I see on fark and other humor sites |
| 23:57.06 | dataw0lf | Yes, it's true. |
| 23:57.14 | dataw0lf | I'm such a smartarse I've got it down to a science |
| 23:58.02 | _psychic_ | "/smartaleck" ? |
| 23:58.29 | dataw0lf | yes, it's an irssi script I wrote |
| 23:58.47 | _psychic_ | lesse it |
