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| 00:23.46 | swb | bigdog_ut, ummmm, irssi troubles... errrhm, heh |
| 00:24.09 | swb | bigdog_ut: I think I know what you're going to ask |
| 00:24.45 | swb | um, if you're still around that is... |
| 00:25.20 | mindjuju | he was a little while ago, you usually have to do something to get his attention |
| 00:25.22 | mindjuju | like |
| 00:25.27 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy bigdog_ut |
| 00:25.28 | jbot | ACTION runs up to bigdog_ut and pokes bigdog_ut in the eyes! |
| 00:25.55 | mindjuju | course though, that'll probably defeat the purpose since he's blinded now and prolly can't type for the next few minutes |
| 00:27.50 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:31.39 | mindjuju | c ya'll tomorrow |
| 00:31.48 | swb | bye mindjuju |
| 00:37.37 | Utah_Dave | what? mindjuju is going home before 3 in the morning?????? |
| 00:38.08 | swb | it IS rather strange isn't it? |
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| 00:46.33 | timinator | later mindjuju |
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| 00:57.40 | Utah_Dave | burnin: I saw your question in #codeigniter earlier. I was about to give a possible answer, when you left |
| 00:57.59 | Utah_Dave | I put methods like the one you were talking about in a custom library |
| 00:58.11 | Utah_Dave | then you can call that library from any controller; or even a view |
| 01:00.57 | burnin | Utah_Dave, k, thanks, I'll read up on the libraries. |
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| 01:01.27 | Utah_Dave | they're pretty easy to set up. |
| 01:02.51 | timinator | I'm out guys |
| 01:02.52 | timinator | later |
| 01:04.13 | burnin | Utah_Dave, I'm liking code igniter, I'm going to do another release of my girder class with CI instead of the framework I started. |
| 01:04.24 | Utah_Dave | cool. |
| 01:04.44 | Utah_Dave | we've moved all our development here at work to codeigniter |
| 01:05.05 | burnin | In fact I think I'll just drop the framework idea completely from my project and focus more on the security part of my classes. |
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| 14:55.17 | mindjuju | morning all |
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| 15:05.17 | jsmith | Morning wps |
| 15:07.36 | wps | morning |
| 15:15.06 | Utah_Dave | morning |
| 15:15.23 | mindjuju | sup utah_dave |
| 15:15.28 | Utah_Dave | sup, mindjuju |
| 15:15.44 | Utah_Dave | man, you and dataw0lf really got into it yesterday, huh? |
| 15:15.58 | mindjuju | we used to duke it out big time |
| 15:16.28 | mindjuju | it was good |
| 15:16.45 | Utah_Dave | it's good to debate |
| 15:17.05 | Utah_Dave | my wife and I got into a good one this morning over immigration |
| 15:17.24 | mindjuju | what do you think about immigration? |
| 15:20.21 | Utah_Dave | I think we need more of it. We should be more open to immigration. We should come down very hard on those who break immigration laws |
| 15:21.14 | mindjuju | that's a pretty balanced statement utah_dave |
| 15:21.18 | Utah_Dave | My wife and I were arguing about that bust up in Logan. Some lady had faked several hundred birth certificates and Soc. cards |
| 15:21.27 | Utah_Dave | tons of identity theft |
| 15:21.27 | mindjuju | oh, atoponce |
| 15:21.31 | Utah_Dave | that's GOT to stop |
| 15:21.40 | mindjuju | one movie shouldn't change nor set your opinion! |
| 15:21.45 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I've put a lot of thought into it |
| 15:21.47 | mindjuju | yeah, the fake docs is REALLY bad |
| 15:22.01 | Utah_Dave | I have friends and family that have been here illegally |
| 15:22.07 | atoponce | mindjuju: it did neither. it strengthened and confirmed it. :) |
| 15:22.12 | Utah_Dave | it's just wrong |
| 15:23.30 | mindjuju | i'm kinda skewed on the whole thing of immigration myself. My parents and sistem emmigrated from Mexico legally. My mom still writes phonetically, but can read and write English and spent the time to learn what she needed to become a legal citizen |
| 15:23.39 | mindjuju | Dad and older sister too |
| 15:23.51 | mindjuju | the rest of us were born here in the States |
| 15:24.11 | mindjuju | i figure, if they can wait in line and do it right, so can everybody else |
| 15:24.38 | Utah_Dave | I agree. |
| 15:25.01 | Utah_Dave | Sometimes our government does make it rediculously hard to come in |
| 15:25.36 | mindjuju | i think if you look at it in a global perspective, we are actually pretty inviting |
| 15:25.56 | Utah_Dave | Immigration has always been a strength to our country. I don't think we need to be afraid of it |
| 15:26.00 | mindjuju | lots of people from countries other than Latin America want to come here too |
| 15:26.29 | Utah_Dave | I think there's something powerful about working through the system and getting that paper that says, "You're welcome here" |
| 15:26.37 | mindjuju | when I was in China, i knew tons of people where were in one stage or another of trying to emmigrate |
| 15:27.28 | Utah_Dave | part of the problem is that our politicians haven't had the backbone to do anything about it for the last 20 or 30 or more years |
| 15:27.48 | Utah_Dave | and so people figure we don't care because none of their friends or family got into any trouble |
| 15:28.05 | mindjuju | yeah, that amnesty program back in the 80s |
| 15:28.08 | Utah_Dave | so they keep coming in illegally |
| 15:28.55 | mindjuju | it's a tough call as to what to do. i wish i had more time to study it on a higher level |
| 15:29.28 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I was just about to say that it is complicated. We obviously can't go round up 20 million people and bus them out of here |
| 15:29.37 | mindjuju | on the other hand, being a poli sci major, i see that immigration can also be a bad thing |
| 15:29.55 | mindjuju | bad because people are leaving their country to find a better place, when they should be trying to fix their country |
| 15:30.02 | mindjuju | the prolong bad government by leaving |
| 15:30.30 | Utah_Dave | that is a good point. but even our country was started that way |
| 15:31.19 | mindjuju | touche |
| 15:31.46 | mindjuju | and england did get better, it just took a little time |
| 15:33.12 | mindjuju | well, i'd better write some code, "got a long way to go and a short time to get there" |
| 15:33.21 | Utah_Dave | something that really affected my view on immigration was reading "The Source" by James Michener |
| 15:33.28 | Utah_Dave | ok, talk to you later |
| 15:34.13 | mindjuju | i'll have my wife pick that up from the library. i do like looking at all the perspectives |
| 15:35.34 | Utah_Dave | the book isn't about immigration per se, but later on in the book it talks about Israel's immigration policy and how it helped strengthen them. I found it very persuasive |
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| 15:44.39 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: Dude, if I were, I'd be soooooo pissed about illegal immigration. |
| 15:44.59 | dataw0lf | I mean, your parents go through the hassle to do it right, and all these others are receiving the same benefits by coming over here criminally. |
| 15:45.12 | dataw0lf | I say grab all illegal immigrants at one of those protests and ship em back |
| 15:45.18 | dataw0lf | then shoot anyone trying to come over here illegally. |
| 15:46.47 | wps | amen |
| 15:47.13 | beandog | man |
| 15:47.17 | beandog | speakeasy is gonna cost me $85 / mo |
| 15:47.18 | beandog | buh |
| 15:47.28 | beandog | Oh well. Its better than Comcast cutting out every 10 seconds. |
| 15:47.44 | dataw0lf | wps: Did we just agree on something political? |
| 15:47.44 | wps | I'd never pay that much for internet |
| 15:47.46 | dataw0lf | woohoo! |
| 15:47.51 | wps | crazy, huh |
| 15:47.55 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 15:48.02 | dataw0lf | beandog: Speakeasy can be worth it. |
| 15:48.06 | beandog | Part of the price is the luxury of not having an account with Qwest. |
| 15:48.12 | beandog | Which is *always* worth it. |
| 15:48.24 | wps | I have neither and it's only $30 |
| 15:48.37 | beandog | Well that and I need a fast connection :) |
| 15:48.56 | wps | I get 8 megabit down |
| 15:49.06 | dataw0lf | Utopia? |
| 15:49.11 | wps | RapidWave |
| 15:49.24 | wps | I have been very pleased with their service |
| 15:49.27 | dataw0lf | some of us, sir, are not in heaven yet. |
| 15:49.44 | beandog | heh |
| 15:49.55 | dataw0lf | who watched the game last night? |
| 15:50.09 | dataw0lf | some of the greatest plays this season |
| 15:51.28 | dataw0lf | Deion Branch got creamed |
| 15:51.47 | dataw0lf | this defensive end came outta left field and just shot his helmet into Deion's like a rocket |
| 15:52.09 | dataw0lf | the resulting *CRASH* was pretty dang loud, I couldn't believe it when Deion got right back up and ran to scrimmage |
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| 15:52.34 | dataw0lf | I had to replay it with TiVo like 400 times. |
| 15:52.37 | dataw0lf | twas pretty awesome. |
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| 16:03.05 | wps | heck no |
| 16:03.09 | wps | I'd never |
| 16:03.26 | herlo | wps: what's wrong with comcast, no limits good service |
| 16:03.35 | herlo | save customer service |
| 16:04.14 | wps | 1) I detest their advertising |
| 16:04.21 | herlo | wps: I don't watch tv |
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| 16:04.26 | herlo | w/commercials that is |
| 16:04.27 | wps | I don't either |
| 16:04.28 | wps | (radio) |
| 16:04.36 | wps | 2) everyone that I have ever talked to that has had them has complained and complained about their service |
| 16:04.38 | beandog | herlo: I love Comcast, actually, but our setup at my new place is just horrible for some reason. |
| 16:04.38 | herlo | wps: I change the station when a commercial comes on the radio |
| 16:04.51 | herlo | wps: -2 |
| 16:04.57 | beandog | xm++ |
| 16:04.59 | herlo | I like comcast for the most part |
| 16:05.00 | beandog | ditch local radio |
| 16:05.01 | beandog | save your ears. |
| 16:05.04 | wps | I'd never pay for radio |
| 16:05.11 | beandog | If you heard XM you would never go back :D |
| 16:05.13 | beandog | Thats my stance. |
| 16:05.24 | wps | you don't have to pay for quality |
| 16:05.26 | herlo | wps: me neither, that's what radio transmitters and mp3 players are for in cars |
| 16:05.29 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v2f-WC4cjo |
| 16:05.29 | beandog | $77 for a year |
| 16:05.40 | beandog | The audio quality is awesome, too |
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| 16:05.50 | wps | HD radio… free |
| 16:05.55 | wps | wow… I'd never pay for raidio or television |
| 16:05.58 | beandog | Not to mention having a dozen favorite channels out of ~150 |
| 16:06.03 | herlo | wps: me neither |
| 16:06.06 | herlo | and I don't |
| 16:06.29 | _psychic_ | I'll never pay for broadcast media again. |
| 16:06.31 | wps | braziljazz? |
| 16:06.49 | braziljazz | Yeah... went to a jazz club in Kansas City last night. |
| 16:07.04 | braziljazz | The band was playing all Brazilian jazz... so I bought their CD |
| 16:07.08 | herlo | well, only mostly free when it comes to music, since I do buy cds every so often |
| 16:07.09 | wps | I am happy to have a few commercials for free broadcast |
| 16:07.09 | braziljazz | And now I can't stop listening to it |
| 16:07.27 | herlo | jsmith: good deal |
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| 16:08.03 | wps | I bought a 10 foot boom antenna, put it in the attic, and get better then DVD quality, widescreen, HD television for free |
| 16:08.20 | dataw0lf | Nice. |
| 16:08.25 | _psychic_ | I just think its insane to let someone else decide what I view. |
| 16:08.28 | wps | don't watch much television, but when I do (news and Leno's monologue each night), it's gorgeous |
| 16:08.30 | dataw0lf | I need to start my own pirate television channel |
| 16:08.31 | _psychic_ | Especially ads. |
| 16:08.38 | herlo | wps: what brand, and where did you get it |
| 16:08.49 | wps | for the antenna? |
| 16:09.39 | dataw0lf | I tell you what, TiVo is worth every buck. |
| 16:09.42 | herlo | wps: yeah |
| 16:09.48 | herlo | dataw0lf: torrentz |
| 16:09.55 | herlo | no commercials...ever |
| 16:09.59 | dataw0lf | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html |
| 16:10.01 | mindjuju | heh |
| 16:10.04 | herlo | unless you want the commercials |
| 16:10.23 | dataw0lf | herlo: I'm le king of torrenting, but it's nice to be able to record sports games and particular series without having to download it. |
| 16:10.24 | beandog | Tivo? bah. |
| 16:10.25 | beandog | Mythtv. |
| 16:10.34 | dataw0lf | MythTV is garbage, I hates it. |
| 16:10.39 | dataw0lf | yes my precious, I hates it. |
| 16:10.43 | beandog | Actually I have heard great things about Tivo. Im sure its worth the pain of trying to get myth setup. |
| 16:10.48 | herlo | dataw0lf: fair enough |
| 16:11.01 | herlo | dataw0lf: you can't be challenging the real king of torrents, you poser |
| 16:11.49 | dataw0lf | sir |
| 16:11.52 | mindjuju | *** A hushed awe covers the #uphpu channel |
| 16:11.58 | herlo | 2.2TB |
| 16:11.59 | bigdog_ut | i hate branding on sports now |
| 16:12.00 | mindjuju | wow, calling DW a poser |
| 16:12.02 | dataw0lf | I have hax0red bittorrent python code to the max0r |
| 16:12.14 | dataw0lf | I have le best secret torrent site evar |
| 16:12.34 | dataw0lf | perhaps I'm just a Vicar, but, sheesh, gimme a lil credit. |
| 16:12.36 | herlo | dataw0lf: and that's after we lost half our disk of them |
| 16:12.56 | dataw0lf | I think tierra has 2.2TBs JUST of anime. |
| 16:13.05 | herlo | dataw0lf: I bet |
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| 16:13.25 | herlo | dataw0lf: problem is his are probably in MPEG2 with HD audio and take up tons of space |
| 16:13.30 | wps | jbot, welcome cyco|w |
| 16:13.31 | jbot | cyco|w, Sup yo? |
| 16:13.44 | dataw0lf | wps: There's no way you hate anime as much as me. |
| 16:13.54 | dataw0lf | herlo: I dunno what format they're in. |
| 16:14.08 | dataw0lf | I try to stay away from anime as much as possible. |
| 16:14.09 | wps | herlo: it was Standard Supply Electric in Salt Lake |
| 16:14.18 | wps | 10 foot boom for ~$30 |
| 16:14.22 | wps | then I have an HD tuner |
| 16:14.32 | dataw0lf | because if I watch it, I might end up at a rave dancing to techno music while playing WoW on my Mac laptop. |
| 16:14.35 | herlo | wps: I know where that is |
| 16:14.43 | wps | and a 40" flat panel Panasoic HD tube television |
| 16:14.46 | wps | it's gorgeous |
| 16:14.53 | herlo | wps: yeah, that does sound nice |
| 16:14.54 | wps | largest tube that you could get four years ago when I bought it |
| 16:15.02 | wps | and tubes kick the trash out of and flat panel |
| 16:15.09 | wps | weighs a ton though |
| 16:15.11 | wps | ~200 pounds |
| 16:15.17 | herlo | I've just got my little 19" monitor, oh and of course I've got my DLP HD Projector too... |
| 16:15.24 | dataw0lf | oooh |
| 16:15.26 | wps | I got it at the RC Willey clearance outet for a third the price |
| 16:15.48 | herlo | wps: nice! |
| 16:16.02 | herlo | 106" Diagonal on my wall |
| 16:16.05 | herlo | from 15' |
| 16:16.34 | wps | sweet |
| 16:17.30 | mindjuju | /me's TV dominates over all that. I got a samsung 13" DVD combo in my bedroom and a 22" S-Mart TV in the living room!!! |
| 16:17.44 | mindjuju | top that! |
| 16:17.58 | dataw0lf | Shop Smart. Shop, S-Mart. |
| 16:18.05 | herlo | mindjuju you have two machines....that's cool |
| 16:18.20 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 16:18.42 | mindjuju | and a "slightly modified" xbox to boot |
| 16:18.55 | bigdog_ut | ive just got a 42" hd tv in the bedroom is all |
| 16:18.57 | herlo | mindjuju: my xbox needs service from M$ |
| 16:19.05 | herlo | bigdog_ut: that's nice though |
| 16:19.14 | mindjuju | hope it's not slightly modified, cause MS don't dig on that |
| 16:19.19 | bigdog_ut | hanging on the wall at the foot of the bed |
| 16:19.26 | bigdog_ut | tivo is coming this christmas though |
| 16:19.42 | bigdog_ut | hd tv is killer...i want to check out blueray on it |
| 16:19.48 | dataw0lf | http://www.mercedes-amg.com/games/drift/index_en.html |
| 16:19.49 | mindjuju | tivo for bigdog_ut? i thought you were a myth man? |
| 16:19.58 | bigdog_ut | no way...to much work |
| 16:20.09 | bigdog_ut | beandog how many you got? |
| 16:20.14 | beandog | I dunno I lost count. |
| 16:20.15 | beandog | 400? |
| 16:20.28 | bigdog_ut | lol all real dvds? |
| 16:20.43 | beandog | About 150 movies, around ~85 tv series |
| 16:20.48 | beandog | comes to a lot of discs. |
| 16:20.54 | bigdog_ut | but are they bought? |
| 16:21.00 | beandog | Oh yah. |
| 16:21.11 | beandog | I dont download anything |
| 16:21.11 | bigdog_ut | i got around 350 dvd and 500 vhs |
| 16:21.23 | dataw0lf | pfft, anyone who pays for movies anymore is ridiculous. I'll buy series DVDs if I want to support them. |
| 16:21.24 | herlo | http://www.justechn.com/reviews/articles/2005/12/12/hp_vp6320.php |
| 16:21.28 | dataw0lf | Like The Sopranos |
| 16:22.03 | bigdog_ut | now days you can get cheap dvds so its easy for me to buy instead of downloading |
| 16:22.05 | beandog | bigdog_ut: 500 vhs? wow. |
| 16:22.14 | beandog | Ive got all 7 seasons of Voyager on VHS |
| 16:22.20 | bigdog_ut | yeah mostly kids stuff |
| 16:22.21 | beandog | I recorded it when KJZZ was showing it |
| 16:22.52 | bigdog_ut | but i have slowed way down on buying dvds now i have netflix |
| 16:22.59 | beandog | yah me too |
| 16:23.00 | beandog | netflix++ |
| 16:23.03 | bigdog_ut | +10 netflix |
| 16:23.07 | herlo | beandog: I hate netflix |
| 16:23.10 | beandog | oh man I love it. |
| 16:23.15 | bigdog_ut | i love it |
| 16:23.16 | beandog | Ive always got my queue maxed out |
| 16:23.31 | bigdog_ut | lol...i usually got 25-40 in there |
| 16:23.45 | bigdog_ut | i love getting series from them |
| 16:23.46 | herlo | mostly because I recently canceled my account and I sent back the DVDs and everything. They still charged me for one I supposedly didn't return on time |
| 16:23.46 | beandog | hee hee, Ive rated 1541 movies |
| 16:24.00 | bigdog_ut | damn... |
| 16:24.04 | herlo | /me's roommate did that for a while |
| 16:24.06 | bigdog_ut | srry...i got 714 |
| 16:24.24 | Lone_Wanderer | DW: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9315/1418702ug3.jpg |
| 16:24.30 | bigdog_ut | i like getting obscure movies too |
| 16:24.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Military's new combat vehicle |
| 16:24.38 | bigdog_ut | i like watching from the festivals |
| 16:24.45 | _psychic_ | Logo powered? |
| 16:24.48 | beandog | really? cool. |
| 16:25.15 | beandog | what kind of obscure movies |
| 16:25.25 | bigdog_ut | mostly indy and festival movies |
| 16:25.37 | beandog | nice |
| 16:25.39 | bigdog_ut | boxoffices hits are good sometimes |
| 16:25.39 | beandog | seen anything good lately |
| 16:25.50 | bigdog_ut | but there are tons of great movies that you never hear about |
| 16:25.54 | _psychic_ | anyone seen eragon? ;) |
| 16:25.55 | bigdog_ut | and kungfu movies |
| 16:26.09 | mindjuju | i love kung fu movies |
| 16:26.12 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: heh. It's about as effective as all those unarmored humvees they got over there. |
| 16:26.19 | beandog | I wanna see it, _psychic_ |
| 16:26.34 | bigdog_ut | eragon looks good |
| 16:26.37 | _psychic_ | beandog: I think it looks cool, but it sounds rather cookie cutter |
| 16:26.44 | beandog | yah |
| 16:26.48 | _psychic_ | boy wonder |
| 16:26.48 | beandog | Not enough good fantasy movies though |
| 16:26.50 | _psychic_ | mysterious mentor |
| 16:26.51 | beandog | Ill take my chances. |
| 16:26.55 | _psychic_ | tyrannical king |
| 16:27.07 | dataw0lf | well, the book is a mashup of half baked fantasy stereotypes and terrible prose |
| 16:27.11 | dataw0lf | not too bad for a 15 year old, though |
| 16:27.13 | bigdog_ut | eragon reminds me of the wheel of time a little |
| 16:27.16 | _psychic_ | shy, then over affectionate princess |
| 16:27.25 | _psychic_ | ethnic battle trainer |
| 16:27.25 | herlo | bigdog_ut: I just bought eragon |
| 16:27.28 | herlo | hte book |
| 16:27.51 | bigdog_ut | it is good for 15yrs...i got it for the daughter and i ended up reading the 1st and 2nd |
| 16:28.05 | bigdog_ut | descent...gets kids reading which is a + for me |
| 16:28.14 | herlo | yup |
| 16:28.17 | dataw0lf | true enough. |
| 16:28.27 | dataw0lf | get em into Eddings. |
| 16:28.51 | bigdog_ut | eddings? |
| 16:28.57 | dataw0lf | david eddings. |
| 16:29.02 | beandog | hee hee |
| 16:29.02 | dataw0lf | the Belgariad |
| 16:29.04 | beandog | xkcd.com |
| 16:29.06 | dataw0lf | jawesome |
| 16:29.17 | beandog | I cant wait for the new TMNT movie |
| 16:29.19 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 16:29.36 | beandog | buh |
| 16:29.40 | beandog | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 16:29.40 | dataw0lf | beandog: Dude, I saw the preview at Apocalypto |
| 16:29.47 | dataw0lf | looks aweeeeesome |
| 16:29.47 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 16:29.50 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: just finished the whole belgariad last week |
| 16:29.56 | beandog | TMNT++ |
| 16:30.02 | beandog | Ive got the first 5 seasons on DVD |
| 16:30.04 | beandog | wootsie |
| 16:30.10 | beandog | great stuff. |
| 16:30.11 | herlo | ~poo beandog |
| 16:30.14 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at beandog |
| 16:30.16 | dataw0lf | pshaw, best TMNT moment is Vanilla Ice breaking it down in the second movie. |
| 16:30.22 | beandog | heh |
| 16:30.26 | beandog | 2nd one was horrible. |
| 16:30.26 | herlo | dataw0lf: yup |
| 16:30.28 | beandog | 1st one was great. |
| 16:30.36 | herlo | beandog: as were all the others |
| 16:30.43 | herlo | horrible that is |
| 16:30.48 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iajpTkuyDeI |
| 16:30.57 | dataw0lf | yea, the first one was the only good one |
| 16:31.05 | dataw0lf | but, c'mon, the sequel has VANILLA ICE |
| 16:31.25 | dataw0lf | honestly, who listened to that guy |
| 16:31.51 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 16:31.57 | bigdog_ut | i just want his hair cut |
| 16:31.57 | dataw0lf | hey, I was really young, gimme a break. |
| 16:32.12 | beandog | It was TMNT who inspired me to make my first motion film. |
| 16:32.13 | dataw0lf | dude I HAD his hair cut for a year |
| 16:32.21 | beandog | Which I really should put on YouTube someday. |
| 16:32.34 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i actually believe you would do that |
| 16:32.44 | beandog | atoponce: evil, evil, no spaces? |
| 16:32.45 | bigdog_ut | and i can see you dancing like him too |
| 16:32.54 | dataw0lf | I think that's when my turn toward evil began... |
| 16:33.09 | dataw0lf | Oh, I can totally bust out the ninja moves |
| 16:34.23 | _psychic_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormtrooper_effect#The_Inverse_Ninja_Law |
| 16:41.08 | dataw0lf | btw, don't go see Apocalypto. Absolutely most violent movie I've ever seen. Ever. |
| 16:42.04 | beandog | really? wow. |
| 16:42.16 | dataw0lf | seriously. I could not believe how violent it was. |
| 16:42.48 | dataw0lf | if they had just cut a little bit of the violence, it would've been an excellent movie. |
| 16:43.06 | dataw0lf | but, when you have dataw0lf flinching every couple minutes in sympathetic pain, there' |
| 16:43.09 | dataw0lf | s something wrong |
| 16:43.30 | herlo | okay, wow, people have way too much time on their hands |
| 16:44.02 | herlo | I just finished reading some of the Stormtrooper Effect page _psychic_ put up. Laughing along, but boy, people have too much time |
| 16:44.23 | _psychic_ | I love the inverse ninja rule |
| 16:44.28 | _psychic_ | It holds true in many a flick. |
| 16:44.47 | _psychic_ | The evil overlord list is truly great as well. |
| 16:45.54 | _psychic_ | http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html |
| 16:48.44 | herlo | _psychic_: yeah,. it's funny |
| 16:49.03 | dataw0lf | "If an advisor says to me "My liege, he is but one man. What can one man possibly do?", I will reply "This." and kill the advisor." |
| 16:49.06 | dataw0lf | rol |
| 16:50.47 | bigdog_ut | Finally, to keep my subjects permanently locked in a mindless trance, I will provide each of them with free unlimited Internet access. |
| 16:53.20 | _psychic_ | I like the part about having the shield generators *inside* the shield they generate. |
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| 17:07.50 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9eCSav9x0 |
| 17:07.55 | dataw0lf | omg awesome |
| 17:09.51 | dataw0lf | John McClane is the definition of super fly |
| 17:14.16 | atoponce | beandog: of course |
| 17:15.19 | beandog | atoponce: good post tho, pass*phrase*++ |
| 17:15.19 | atoponce | thx. :) |
| 17:17.35 | atoponce | |.3nj%y.Pr%6r@##|n6.P3r7 |
| 17:18.41 | beandog | heh. |
| 17:18.44 | bigdog_ut | they should do a blue thunder remake |
| 17:19.21 | dataw0lf | http://gimcrackd.com/etc/src/#Twee |
| 17:19.21 | mindjuju | blue thunder was cool |
| 17:19.34 | bigdog_ut | i watched it this weekend...what a great movie |
| 17:20.00 | mindjuju | i hated air wolf, or what ever that trendy poser helicopter show was that came after blue thunder |
| 17:21.01 | dataw0lf | I think my dad has Blue Thunder on beta |
| 17:21.45 | dataw0lf | the best part of BT is Malcolm McDowell. he's sweet. |
| 17:23.24 | Lone_Wanderer | great |
| 17:23.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I go clean out the coffee pot |
| 17:23.40 | Lone_Wanderer | wash it, dry it (which involved running around to find paper towels) |
| 17:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | and then discover that we're out of filters |
| 17:25.07 | dataw0lf | use three layered paper towels |
| 17:25.34 | dataw0lf | or two, depending on how strong you like your coffee |
| 17:25.36 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:26.16 | dataw0lf | I do it all the time, works great. |
| 17:26.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'll just go to the grocery store and buy more filters. |
| 17:29.14 | dataw0lf | wuss |
| 17:30.21 | Lone_Wanderer | and look for some caffeinated water |
| 17:30.30 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can make coffee with it |
| 17:31.17 | mindjuju | i wonder if the caffine in the caffeniated water will be affected by heating it |
| 17:31.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I doubt it |
| 17:32.12 | Lone_Wanderer | if that were the case, then coffee would be affected by being brewed |
| 17:33.42 | mindjuju | ugh, i hate it when people don't follow the rules. |
| 17:34.33 | mindjuju | i told this one employee who routinely emails junk to the whole company to start labeling her emails with a particular subject line, then built a rule that routed that subject line to be instantly, permantly and irretrivably deleted without notification |
| 17:34.56 | mindjuju | she's been doing this for me for months, but i guess has become wise to what i was doing and now won't use the subject line |
| 17:35.04 | mindjuju | time for another jedi mind trick |
| 17:35.29 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, clever |
| 17:35.42 | bigdog_ut | just delete all her email |
| 17:36.03 | mindjuju | yeah, there is always a chance that she'll email something important that isn't junk, so can't do that |
| 17:36.23 | dataw0lf | block her from sending to the whole company |
| 17:37.34 | mindjuju | can't do that either, her emails are promo, feel good emails that is being requested from a department higher than mine |
| 17:37.57 | dataw0lf | hm |
| 17:37.58 | dataw0lf | well |
| 17:38.03 | dataw0lf | you only have one option left, then |
| 17:38.11 | mindjuju | jedi mind trick? |
| 17:38.11 | dataw0lf | fill a sock with sand, right? |
| 17:38.14 | dataw0lf | sneak up behind her |
| 17:38.17 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 17:38.25 | dataw0lf | and whack her at the base of the back of the neck |
| 17:38.36 | dataw0lf | drag her unconscious body to the nearest dumpster |
| 17:38.42 | dataw0lf | problem solved |
| 17:39.00 | mindjuju | heh, that'd work until her replacement came in |
| 17:40.04 | mindjuju | i think what i'm going to tell her is that her email is now getting caught in my spam filter, but that if she used this new subject line "Important: Don't Delete", i could write something that would allow it to pass |
| 17:40.12 | mindjuju | then just delete off the new subject line |
| 17:40.47 | bigdog_ut | my idea was the best |
| 17:41.10 | bigdog_ut | my hr lady gets mad cause i delete all her email |
| 17:41.29 | mindjuju | that's so funny you say that |
| 17:41.34 | mindjuju | this lady is the HR lady too |
| 17:41.38 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: pfft, only if you're hesistant to go to prison for kidnapping and assault |
| 17:41.43 | dataw0lf | otherwise, mine is definitely the best. |
| 17:42.08 | bigdog_ut | just a lil is all |
| 17:42.49 | dataw0lf | why doesn't utah have a nfl team? |
| 17:42.57 | dataw0lf | you guys suck. |
| 17:42.57 | bigdog_ut | cause we are cheap |
| 17:43.15 | mindjuju | yeah, just what I always wanted, a one way ticket ticket to club fed. and if you have any doubts about federal prison, just watch Office Space |
| 17:43.20 | bigdog_ut | and we dont have the population for it |
| 17:43.34 | bigdog_ut | ill be excited if we get the soccer stadium |
| 17:44.12 | Lone_Wanderer | How do I see what distro I'm on? |
| 17:44.20 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: psh 'don't have the population'. D.C. has a team |
| 17:44.37 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: cat /etc/<something>-release |
| 17:44.44 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:45.05 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, true they are only like 500k |
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| 17:45.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, CentOS |
| 17:45.45 | mindjuju | sup fungus |
| 17:45.56 | dataw0lf | morning fungi |
| 17:46.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm afraid that I may have to recompile php manually |
| 17:46.22 | bigdog_ut | for what? |
| 17:47.03 | Lone_Wanderer | odbc support |
| 17:47.30 | fungus | morning all |
| 17:47.59 | Lone_Wanderer | morning |
| 17:48.10 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer php on centos has odbc support |
| 17:48.47 | fungus | if centos doesn't support odbc by default, can't you just install the extension? |
| 17:48.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm getting an error - Call to undefined function: odbc_connect() in /srv/www/htdocs/odbc_test.php on line 8 |
| 17:49.14 | Lone_Wanderer | it'd be great if I could |
| 17:49.15 | bigdog_ut | you might need to install it |
| 17:49.20 | bigdog_ut | yum install php-odbc |
| 17:49.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh |
| 17:50.05 | bigdog_ut | then restart apache |
| 17:50.12 | bigdog_ut | and you should be golden |
| 17:50.15 | Lone_Wanderer | much better |
| 17:50.23 | Lone_Wanderer | now I just need to work out the rest of the crap surrounding it |
| 17:51.07 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju should be good with odbc...he uses mssql all the time |
| 17:51.28 | mindjuju | ODBC rox the house, baby! |
| 17:52.23 | mindjuju | ODBC rox the house, raise the roof |
| 17:52.46 | mindjuju | you rox it, you know it! |
| 17:53.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, oh why will my error reporting not change? :( |
| 17:54.01 | mindjuju | the gorillaz! there you go! |
| 17:54.16 | fungus | did you restart apache? |
| 17:54.45 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 17:54.48 | mindjuju | it's the music that we choose! |
| 17:54.57 | Lone_Wanderer | get the cool shoeshine! |
| 17:55.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I like Left Hand Suzuki Method |
| 17:55.06 | mindjuju | oh yeah! |
| 17:55.29 | Lone_Wanderer | error_reporting(E_ALL); should turn error reporting all the way up for that script, right? |
| 17:55.33 | fungus | Do you have to manually add the extension to your php.ini file? |
| 17:55.34 | dataw0lf | You think it's fictional? Mystical? Maybe. Spiritual hero who appears to you to clear your view when you're too crazy |
| 17:55.37 | dataw0lf | greatest lyrics ever |
| 17:56.11 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: odbc is working fine now, I just don't want to have to tail my log file to see the errorsr |
| 17:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | errors* |
| 17:56.56 | fungus | as far as displaying errrors go, it will depend on both error_reporting, and the display_errors options. |
| 17:57.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, mindjuju, what is a dsn supposed to look like? |
| 17:57.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I am young and foolish in the ways of odbc. |
| 17:58.09 | mindjuju | dim conn as DB.Connection |
| 17:58.23 | _psychic_ | mysql://hostname.dot.com:port/dbname/tablename <-- something kinda like that? |
| 17:58.24 | dataw0lf | well, ODBC supports DSN-less conns |
| 17:58.37 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:58.53 | Lone_Wanderer | the odbc_connect docs say that it needs one... |
| 18:00.10 | Lone_Wanderer | odbc_connect(): SQL error: [unixODBC][Driver Manager]Data source name not found, and no default driver specified, SQL state IM002 in SQLConnect |
| 18:01.20 | mindjuju | k, hang on |
| 18:05.30 | mindjuju | i haven't made an DSN in Linux, Windows has a GUI to make it. i'm looking for what your going to need |
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| 18:06.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 18:07.29 | mindjuju | so, Lone_Wanderer, i'm confused |
| 18:07.51 | Lone_Wanderer | me too =\ |
| 18:07.54 | mindjuju | you've got a sql2k or 2k5 box that your trying to connect to from a web server using CentOS |
| 18:07.59 | mindjuju | is that right? |
| 18:08.14 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 18:12.21 | mindjuju | do you know what ODBC driver your using? is it unixODBC? |
| 18:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | it is, yes |
| 18:12.48 | mindjuju | k |
| 18:12.49 | mindjuju | http://www.unixodbc.org/doc/FreeTDS.html |
| 18:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, so I do in fact need FreeTDS. |
| 18:13.16 | beandog | yah |
| 18:13.20 | beandog | I dont use odbc to connect. |
| 18:13.27 | Lone_Wanderer | what do you use? |
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| 18:14.07 | beandog | I dunno, but Ive got freetds compiled with -odbc |
| 18:14.15 | beandog | and php is the same way. Just mssql support. |
| 18:14.41 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah but I'm using a system with a package manager |
| 18:14.55 | Lone_Wanderer | so I'd rather not fiddle about with recompiling php manually |
| 18:15.11 | beandog | I dunno |
| 18:15.17 | beandog | I just use mssql_connect() |
| 18:15.18 | beandog | I think |
| 18:15.48 | beandog | oh, using PEAR::DB, looks like |
| 18:16.04 | beandog | its been so long, I cant even remember how I setup the connection. |
| 18:25.50 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 Firefox's "disable image animations" |
| 18:26.18 | beandog | meh |
| 18:26.20 | beandog | use privoxy :) |
| 18:27.25 | dataw0lf | omgz, if you want to be 1337, it's all about links. |
| 18:27.42 | dataw0lf | FiReFoX iS fOr L@m3rz |
| 18:27.57 | Lone_Wanderer | lynx? :p |
| 18:27.57 | sleepy_herlo | ~lart dataw0lf for his bashing of mozilla |
| 18:29.10 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: No, lynx is the old version. ItS fOr LaMeRz tOo |
| 18:29.15 | dataw0lf | I actually had some dude tell me this |
| 18:29.21 | dataw0lf | he scoffed at me using Firefox |
| 18:29.26 | Lone_Wanderer | wow |
| 18:30.03 | dataw0lf | I was like 'uh, sorry dude, but, uhm, I love ncurses apps and all, but ascii porn just ain't my thing. Y'know??' |
| 18:30.27 | fungus | there is a big geek factor of using l[iy]n[kx]s?. I even use it a lot, but come on. everyday browsing needs a gui browser. |
| 18:31.19 | Lone_Wanderer | okay fine |
| 18:31.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I have to recompile php |
| 18:31.26 | fungus | ascii porn got me through my puberty quite well. |
| 18:31.34 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 18:31.53 | mindjuju | dude, all i want is a browser that has flash capability, but allows me to specifiy when i want it to autoplay and when I don't |
| 18:32.04 | mindjuju | so i don't have to see all those dumb commericials on the web anymore |
| 18:32.20 | cyco|w | https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/433/ |
| 18:32.22 | macnewbold | MSIE has that stupid click to activate thing "for security reasons" that you can easily circumvent with UFO |
| 18:33.11 | mindjuju | this is what i've been looking for my whole life!!! |
| 18:33.21 | cyco|w | i use it everyday.. works like a champ.. |
| 18:35.49 | fungus | flashblock is a major life saver |
| 18:37.04 | dataw0lf | fungus: yea, I use links quite a bit myself. It's extremely useful in many cases. But you're just trying to convince yourself you're leet if you use it for every day browsing. |
| 18:37.21 | mindjuju | amazing! Yahoo's goofy ads aren't even coming up! |
| 18:38.24 | macnewbold | I just wish that more configuration interfaces for routers and dsl/cable modems were more friendly to links/lynx , so that it would be easier to configure them remotely |
| 18:38.47 | macnewbold | the catch is that many of them need javascript :( |
| 18:38.57 | beandog | elinks uses javascript |
| 18:39.17 | beandog | er, can use / parse / whatver. |
| 18:39.37 | dataw0lf | or someone needs to write a javascript interpreter for links |
| 18:39.59 | macnewbold | ~lart javascript |
| 18:40.04 | macnewbold | ~asplode javascript |
| 18:40.09 | jbot | javascript head asplode, k thx |
| 18:40.20 | dataw0lf | ~protect javascript |
| 18:40.22 | jbot | ACTION sees a grenade rolling toward javascript, and leaps onto it. |
| 18:40.22 | beandog | http://elinks.or.cz/ |
| 18:40.38 | dataw0lf | ~asplode jbot |
| 18:40.39 | jbot | jbot head asplode, k thx |
| 18:43.26 | fungus | sweet `portinstall www/elinks` |
| 18:46.36 | fungus | sweet elinks can be built with support for JS, Bittorrent, nntp, ftp, and all kinds of extra stuff. |
| 18:46.47 | dataw0lf | -> ps aux | grep httpd | wc -l |
| 18:46.48 | dataw0lf | 102 |
| 18:46.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Thees ees not helpeeng! |
| 18:47.21 | fungus | and gopher support! |
| 18:47.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, gopher! |
| 18:47.56 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Go Wolverines! wooooo! |
| 18:48.02 | Lone_Wanderer | wolverines? |
| 18:48.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I meant Minnesota |
| 18:48.28 | dataw0lf | oooh |
| 18:48.30 | dataw0lf | dur |
| 18:48.30 | Lone_Wanderer | the Gophers. |
| 18:48.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 18:48.48 | dataw0lf | oh well, they're still big ten, even if you all are a bunch of norwegians |
| 18:48.54 | dataw0lf | Go Gophers! Woooohooo! |
| 18:48.56 | Lone_Wanderer | dang straight |
| 18:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | What, you like your food lye-free? |
| 18:49.52 | dataw0lf | I'm from Chicago, the atrocities that have been visited upon me by lutefisk are beyond imagination |
| 18:50.09 | Lone_Wanderer | The best part about being Scandinavian is that when I get old, I get to be a crotchety old Scandinavian man. |
| 18:50.22 | dataw0lf | or die of a heart attack when you're in your forties. |
| 18:50.35 | Lone_Wanderer | nah |
| 18:50.40 | Lone_Wanderer | we're a hardy bunch |
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| 18:51.19 | dataw0lf | true. if you can eat lutefisk you've pretty much got death beat. |
| 18:51.36 | Lone_Wanderer | And "not bad" is the best it gets. |
| 18:51.47 | timinator | what's up ladies? |
| 18:52.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Not too much. |
| 18:52.30 | timinator | :) |
| 18:52.53 | Lone_Wanderer | When I was a kid, 10 below was nice weather. |
| 18:55.34 | mindjuju | i call it cruel and unusual punishment |
| 18:55.51 | Lone_Wanderer | You get acclimated. |
| 18:56.03 | fungus | Mac rumor, Leopard to support GTK+ natively. |
| 18:56.10 | mindjuju | yeah, if that's the case, let's all move to Siberia |
| 18:56.17 | mindjuju | i here there is plenty of room |
| 18:56.22 | mindjuju | hear, not here |
| 18:56.26 | jsmith | fungus: Where'd you hear that? |
| 18:56.38 | fungus | http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2006/12/illuminous_meet_gtk_1.html?CMP=OTC-13IV03560550&ATT=Illuminous+meet+Gtk |
| 18:58.34 | jsmith | fungus: I think that's a big over the top... just because GTK+ is being ported doesn't mean Apple's going to include it in Leopard. |
| 18:59.36 | fungus | Previous rumors state that the new Windowing interface will come with Leopard, and this rumor states the new interface will support GTK. |
| 18:59.47 | fungus | connect the dots, la la lala |
| 19:00.58 | olds | anyone happen to know how much the mysql certification test costs? |
| 19:01.06 | olds | I can't seem to find an answer on the mysql wensite |
| 19:01.44 | dataw0lf | no idea |
| 19:03.32 | fungus | damn, I might have misread that. it doesn't say that illuminous will support GTK. The author just used the word illuminous to get your attention. They are *not* related. |
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| 19:18.19 | Lone_Wanderer | PHP Warning: odbc_connect(): SQL error: [unixODBC][Driver Manager]Driver's SQLAllocHandle on SQL_HANDLE_HENV failed, SQL state IM004 in SQLConnect in /srv/www/htdocs/odbc_test.php on line 6 |
| 19:18.20 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( |
| 19:18.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know what that means. |
| 19:18.47 | bradym | ouch.. |
| 19:18.56 | bradym | means it's time to become good friends with google |
| 19:19.44 | timinator | what did we ever do before there was Google?!?! |
| 19:19.52 | timinator | *sigh |
| 19:19.54 | timinator | :) |
| 19:19.57 | Lone_Wanderer | No kidding. |
| 19:20.40 | bradym | shh! i've tried to block those memories out.. |
| 19:20.42 | bradym | ;) |
| 19:20.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, it's definitely lunchtime now. |
| 19:20.59 | timinator | :) |
| 19:21.12 | bigdog_ut | sho enough |
| 19:37.08 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: In means that the SQL Driver couldn't really get a connection to the database |
| 20:13.53 | mindjuju | anybody here work with wildfire or spark? |
| 20:14.53 | timinator | we don't really like wildfires in the lumber business |
| 20:15.11 | mindjuju | ~wiseguy timinator |
| 20:15.12 | jbot | ACTION runs up to timinator and pokes timinator in the eyes! |
| 20:15.45 | mindjuju | it's too bad jbot can't do soundbytes or sound effects |
| 20:16.02 | mindjuju | it's be cool to have jbot say "hey moe!" while poking the eyes |
| 20:16.58 | Lone_Wanderer | jsmith: But what I'm wondering is why. Maybe I should set it up on Windows first and see if the server is even accepting connections. |
| 20:18.03 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, if you've got a windows box on the same network as the sql box |
| 20:18.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't |
| 20:18.17 | mindjuju | you can easily setup an ODBC with the connection param... , oh |
| 20:18.24 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 20:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm starting to think I should ask this guy to put some soap wrappers around his functions. |
| 20:28.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh heh. |
| 20:28.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Speaking of Norwegian understatements |
| 20:28.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Mr. Langevin, who comes from Coteau-du-Lac, southwest of Montreal, added it was “better than staying out for the count.” - referring to getting an artificial heart |
| 20:37.37 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 20:37.56 | Lone_Wanderer | weak |
| 20:38.01 | Lone_Wanderer | he didn't even murder him brutally |
| 20:39.05 | Lone_Wanderer | unixODBC isn't working so instead I'm reading userfriendly. |
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| 20:45.16 | brasto | macnewbold, I saw your posting in the list last night. I'll post a reply this afternoon. |
| 20:45.26 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 20:45.29 | macnewbold | thanks, brasto! |
| 20:45.34 | macnewbold | sorry again I'll miss your talk :( |
| 20:46.27 | brasto | no worries. if it becomes a pattern - every time i present something comes up, then maybe i'll get offended ;) |
| 20:46.32 | timinator | I'll miss it too brasto |
| 20:46.47 | timinator | but not because I don't love-ya |
| 20:47.15 | timinator | hopefully someone will videotape |
| 20:55.16 | _psychic_ | James Bond style == laser gun enabled? |
| 20:55.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:55.35 | brasto | lol |
| 20:55.54 | brasto | hmmm, maybe i should patent that and build it myself... |
| 20:56.03 | brasto | if only i knew something about making watches... |
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| 21:00.06 | Lone_Wanderer | It can't be that hard. |
| 21:00.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Precision machinery, hundreds of tiny gears |
| 21:00.21 | _psychic_ | ...but the lasers... |
| 21:00.33 | Lone_Wanderer | lasers are even easier |
| 21:02.08 | mindjuju | i had lasers mounted onto some mutated mal-tempered sea bass |
| 21:03.14 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: put em all in a small tank, and you get some niiice fish soup in 20 min. |
| 21:03.42 | mindjuju | now your talking! |
| 21:04.23 | Lone_Wanderer | you know, scales removed and their innards removed |
| 21:04.29 | Lone_Wanderer | heads chopped off |
| 21:04.32 | Lone_Wanderer | that kind of thing |
| 21:04.41 | macnewbold | ~asplode Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:04.48 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer head asplode, k thx |
| 21:04.53 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: on a related note, you seen this? http://www.seasonshot.com/Home.cfm |
| 21:06.02 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 21:06.43 | mindjuju | that's awesome, mix that with Manifold Destiny, and I think you have a winner |
| 21:06.48 | fungus | advocating murder, and flesh eating in the same product. |
| 21:07.01 | _psychic_ | w00t |
| 21:07.08 | _psychic_ | shooting fish in a barrel would be awesome |
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| 21:09.54 | mindjuju | in case some here don't know what manifold destiny is, check out this link |
| 21:09.55 | mindjuju | http://www.amazon.com/Manifold-Destiny-Guide-Cooking-Engine/dp/0375751408 |
| 21:10.32 | _psychic_ | haha nice |
| 21:10.54 | _psychic_ | you could do drive by hunting, and roast it up on the hood |
| 21:11.01 | mindjuju | tellin' ya! |
| 21:11.36 | mindjuju | i got the book if you want to browse through it during next php meeting |
| 21:11.45 | _psychic_ | ha nice |
| 21:11.58 | _psychic_ | I have yet to make it to one, unfortunately. |
| 21:12.54 | mindjuju | bummer. was going to say if somebody like bigdog_ut or timinator went, they could buy some salmon stakes here in draper, and by the time they get back to Ogden... "bon appetite!" |
| 21:13.16 | mindjuju | steaks even |
| 21:13.31 | _psychic_ | wild |
| 21:13.37 | _psychic_ | have you cooked on the engine yet yourself? |
| 21:14.13 | mindjuju | no, but i did put some Tucky-Frickin' in aluminum wrap and strapped it to the outside of my trunk on a trip from Houston to Tucson |
| 21:14.28 | mindjuju | didn't get no warmer than the inside of the car, but, hey! it was for science! |
| 21:15.24 | Lone_Wanderer | people don't actually cook this way do they? |
| 21:15.36 | timinator | can't go this round mindjuju... but it is a good idea |
| 21:16.16 | mindjuju | i was just kidding about the salmon steaks. i think they'd take longer than that |
| 21:16.27 | timinator | lol |
| 21:16.42 | mindjuju | prolly'd have to go to logan, or heber (since your headed up hill and that'd make your enigine hotter) |
| 21:17.52 | _psychic_ | It'd be cool to have a engine temp meter next to the odometer |
| 21:18.15 | _psychic_ | with different scales on it - like steak cooking (rare, medium, well-done) |
| 21:18.30 | mindjuju | mine has one, i just drew in pictures for what i could be cooking at that temperture |
| 21:18.39 | mindjuju | well, it's an engine heat gage, that is |
| 21:20.52 | timinator | what temp does it average? |
| 21:21.17 | timinator | perhaps would could legitimately get some recipes going |
| 21:21.46 | mindjuju | well, my hyndai would get a little hot, so i could go steaks, but i'm now in a lifted jeep cherokee, and I haven't spec'ed it out yet |
| 21:27.07 | Lone_Wanderer | how do you spec it out? :p |
| 21:53.10 | mindjuju | lone_wanderer, you gots to go around with an electric therometer tied to various parts of the car and see what the highest temp was |
| 21:53.30 | Lone_Wanderer | so you put the thermometer in there |
| 21:53.33 | Lone_Wanderer | drive around |
| 21:53.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and see how hot it gets? |
| 21:54.18 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:54.27 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:54.40 | Lone_Wanderer | how hot did your old one get? |
| 21:57.17 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 21:57.27 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
| 21:57.36 | _psychic_ | ! |
| 21:57.39 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
| 21:57.57 | PoeticIntensity | yo yo yo yo |
| 21:58.03 | _psychic_ | ... the ... hamster love... |
| 21:58.52 | PoeticIntensity | all those who think beandog should come to my LAN party tonight..... let's hear it! |
| 21:59.22 | beandog | hamstercrap? |
| 21:59.23 | beandog | oy |
| 21:59.45 | Lone_Wanderer | lan party? |
| 21:59.55 | mindjuju | lone_wanderer, i was really just joking. haven't gaged my car heat temps |
| 21:59.57 | beandog | PoeticIntensity pretends he has friends coming over. |
| 22:00.01 | Lone_Wanderer | jerk :p |
| 22:00.04 | beandog | Well, PoeticIntensity pretends he has friends |
| 22:00.13 | beandog | ;) |
| 22:00.28 | beandog | And then he blows their brains out in ET |
| 22:00.34 | PoeticIntensity | don't you KNOW it! |
| 22:00.43 | PoeticIntensity | man..... I'm so pumped.... It's gonna be a blast. |
| 22:00.51 | PoeticIntensity | We got Scott a computer, too... so no worries. |
| 22:01.02 | PoeticIntensity | he might bring his nephew, too! |
| 22:01.05 | _psychic_ | if anyone's up for CoD2, we play often |
| 22:01.15 | _psychic_ | you guys play ET on a public IP? |
| 22:01.53 | _psychic_ | beandog? (or ..?) |
| 22:02.03 | beandog | no |
| 22:02.04 | beandog | at his house |
| 22:02.11 | PoeticIntensity | umm..... it's public this time... but not broadcasted. |
| 22:02.22 | PoeticIntensity | I've got two friends connecting from outside. |
| 22:02.26 | PoeticIntensity | but most come to my house. |
| 22:02.28 | _psychic_ | we play ET sometimes on our public server |
| 22:02.37 | PoeticIntensity | gotta love that game. |
| 22:02.43 | PoeticIntensity | an oldie, but a goodie. |
| 22:02.54 | _psychic_ | its usually eclipsed by cod2 though for us |
| 22:03.07 | PoeticIntensity | not sure I know what cod2 is.... ? |
| 22:03.20 | _psychic_ | call of duty 2 |
| 22:03.22 | PoeticIntensity | Covert Operations..... Destruct-o 2? |
| 22:03.29 | PoeticIntensity | ahh. |
| 22:03.53 | PoeticIntensity | I like having LAN parties for the smack-talk. |
| 22:04.00 | beandog | heh |
| 22:04.09 | beandog | All the time. |
| 22:04.12 | beandog | All the time. |
| 22:04.13 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: tru dat |
| 22:04.13 | PoeticIntensity | nothing like destroying your friends and then laughing at them for real. |
| 22:04.15 | beandog | All |
| 22:04.16 | beandog | the time. |
| 22:04.22 | PoeticIntensity | dude.... |
| 22:04.23 | beandog | by PoeticIntensity |
| 22:04.34 | PoeticIntensity | I knew you didn't have a real reason for not coming. |
| 22:04.47 | PoeticIntensity | no doubt, you will be able to kill at least one person this time. |
| 22:04.55 | PoeticIntensity | the guy connecting remote doesn't have a clue what he's doing. |
| 22:05.43 | PoeticIntensity | hrmmmmm deeeee durm..... |
| 22:05.50 | PoeticIntensity | I think so far, 8 people are coming. |
| 22:07.58 | beandog | PoeticIntensity vs teh world |
| 22:08.19 | PoeticIntensity | *blink* |
| 22:09.36 | beandog | *blank* |
| 22:10.02 | _psychic_ | *blam!* *blam!* |
| 22:10.13 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... So... Why *are* you not coming? |
| 22:10.19 | PoeticIntensity | and don't tell me it's because your computers aren't set up. |
| 22:10.26 | PoeticIntensity | I set up a new compy yesterday in about 10 minutes. |
| 22:10.30 | PoeticIntensity | (with ET / Gentoo) |
| 22:10.56 | PoeticIntensity | and heck... if they aren't set up, bring em' anyway.... and we'll get em' crankin'. |
| 22:11.32 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic_ where you at? |
| 22:11.40 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: Orem |
| 22:11.59 | PoeticIntensity | what ya doing tonight? :) |
| 22:12.07 | _psychic_ | depends on when |
| 22:12.11 | _psychic_ | I can play 5-6 about |
| 22:12.19 | PoeticIntensity | we'll be playing all night. |
| 22:12.28 | _psychic_ | starting when, though? |
| 22:12.32 | PoeticIntensity | usually gets crankin' around....... 8-9 |
| 22:12.38 | PoeticIntensity | then we play until 4 or 5. |
| 22:12.40 | _psychic_ | hm |
| 22:12.52 | PoeticIntensity | people start coming around 5:30 |
| 22:12.57 | _psychic_ | probably too late for me |
| 22:12.57 | PoeticIntensity | a'ight. |
| 22:13.16 | _psychic_ | it'd be fun to hook up a match of sorts |
| 22:13.30 | _psychic_ | I bet I could get 4 or so from here to play some other time |
| 22:13.41 | PoeticIntensity | awesome. |
| 22:13.53 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... heh... have 4 people come to my house, and connect to your group.. |
| 22:14.07 | PoeticIntensity | that'd be pretty cool. |
| 22:17.42 | beandog | youre playing until 5 a.m.? |
| 22:25.44 | PoeticIntensity | we do every time. |
| 22:25.54 | PoeticIntensity | last time I went to bed at 5:30 |
| 22:34.01 | beandog | thats insane. |
| 22:34.18 | beandog | especially when you know I get up at 4 a.m. on saturdays to go to the flower market |
| 22:34.20 | _psychic_ | PoeticIntensity: next Friday @ 5ish maybe? I'd have to check with my guys, but that might be a good time |
| 22:34.29 | Lone_Wanderer | to the flower market? |
| 22:35.05 | PoeticIntensity | hmm..... |
| 22:35.06 | PoeticIntensity | probably not. |
| 22:35.24 | PoeticIntensity | I have these parties once every 3 months. |
| 22:35.36 | PoeticIntensity | wife / kid issues.... :) |
| 22:36.14 | bradym | we should do a uphpu lan party :) |
| 22:36.41 | wps | barbecue |
| 22:37.00 | jsmith | hack-a-thon! |
| 22:37.20 | wps | bake-off |
| 22:37.32 | PoeticIntensity | absolutely! |
| 22:37.41 | bradym | lan party barbecue hack-a-thon bake off! say that five times fast.. |
| 22:37.48 | PoeticIntensity | Gotta have Linux-compatible games, though.... ;-) |
| 22:38.56 | bradym | see that's the hack-a-thon part, getting the games to work on linux :) |
| 22:39.37 | _psychic_ | bah |
| 22:39.40 | _psychic_ | not hard anymore |
| 22:42.07 | bradym | that's my next big project - i wanna install linux on my home machine, only thing that has kept me on windoze this long is the games |
| 22:42.26 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:42.32 | macnewbold | doh |
| 22:42.40 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:42.48 | beandog | lol |
| 22:43.01 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:43.06 | macnewbold | much better |
| 22:43.11 | macnewbold | ~lart beandog for laughing.... |
| 22:43.21 | macnewbold | c'mon, jbot: get some variety |
| 22:43.45 | beandog | sewiously. |
| 22:44.10 | Black_Chaos | ~lart jbot for not being creative |
| 22:44.19 | Lone_Wanderer | nice |
| 22:44.26 | macnewbold | ~lart ibot for being jbot |
| 22:44.31 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:54.57 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:55.24 | wps | ~rfart |
| 22:55.44 | beandog | heheh |
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| 23:15.05 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I tell if a certain file is a library? |
| 23:15.23 | macnewbold | define "library"? |
| 23:15.40 | macnewbold | often the "file" command will work wonders |
| 23:15.48 | Lone_Wanderer | "Normal reason is the lib you have pointed the driver= line in the ini isn't a ODBC driver, but some other lib." |
| 23:16.09 | macnewbold | imagemagick's "identify" is great with image files of almost any type, or mplayer's identify flag if it is audio or video |
| 23:16.17 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:16.22 | macnewbold | is this for php? |
| 23:16.32 | Lone_Wanderer | kind of yeah |
| 23:16.34 | macnewbold | or something else? |
| 23:16.35 | macnewbold | hm |
| 23:16.36 | Lone_Wanderer | odbc really |
| 23:16.45 | macnewbold | so is he talking about php.ini or some other config file? |
| 23:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.59 | macnewbold | yeah, that's a library |
| 23:17.00 | Lone_Wanderer | no, another config file |
| 23:17.10 | Lone_Wanderer | how can you tell? |
| 23:17.10 | macnewbold | .so is a statically linked library |
| 23:17.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:17.20 | macnewbold | and it's in /usr/lib :) |
| 23:17.21 | Lone_Wanderer | thought so |
| 23:17.22 | macnewbold | but |
| 23:17.36 | macnewbold | libtdsS is not an ODBC library, it is a TDS library probably |
| 23:17.46 | macnewbold | tds is the format used to access MS-SQL databases |
| 23:17.56 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I'm trying to do. |
| 23:18.03 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 23:18.41 | Lone_Wanderer | the example says to point it to libtdsodbc.so |
| 23:18.45 | macnewbold | ah |
| 23:18.58 | Lone_Wanderer | but that file doesn't exist on my system |
| 23:18.58 | macnewbold | so an odbc driver that speaks tds on the back side |
| 23:19.07 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 23:19.07 | macnewbold | you'd probably need to install it then |
| 23:19.10 | macnewbold | what OS are you on? |
| 23:19.31 | Lone_Wanderer | CentOS |
| 23:19.36 | macnewbold | on my freebsd boxes, I have to install FreeTDS and the mssql extension for PHP |
| 23:19.41 | macnewbold | and it doesn't use ODBC at all |
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| 23:20.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ODBC is becoming a headache, I'd really rather not use it |
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| 23:21.17 | Lone_Wanderer | and the freetds and php-mssql don't seem to exist in the package management system I've got |
| 23:21.56 | macnewbold | weird |
| 23:21.58 | macnewbold | which one is that? |
| 23:22.43 | Lone_Wanderer | yum |
| 23:23.03 | macnewbold | http://www.google.com/search?q=freetds+centos |
| 23:23.35 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, that page contains a lot of visited links ;) |
| 23:23.49 | macnewbold | http://www.google.com/search?q=freetds+yum |
| 23:24.03 | macnewbold | http://www.google.com/search?q=freetds+yum+centos |
| 23:24.31 | macnewbold | this one really looks useful: http://www.derekjhunt.org/blog/ |
| 23:24.56 | macnewbold | it sounds like he's trying to set up access to an mssql db from php on a centos system via freetds and using yum to install it |
| 23:25.23 | macnewbold | on x86_64 no less |
| 23:25.43 | Lone_Wanderer | yay |
| 23:25.51 | Lone_Wanderer | a helpful page! |
| 23:26.16 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer do you have freetds installed? |
| 23:26.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I believe so yes. |
| 23:26.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Yum can't find it but I think I found it earlier |
| 23:26.47 | Lone_Wanderer | saw it get installed along with something else |
| 23:28.19 | bigdog_ut | you might need this one http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/phprpms/freetds-0.63-2.i386.rpm?download |
| 23:29.04 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, dependencies |
| 23:29.04 | bigdog_ut | you can also check to see if the centos has rpms in the test distro |
| 23:29.07 | bigdog_ut | you can install the depends |
| 23:29.51 | bigdog_ut | there is a testing repo that yum can access too |
| 23:32.12 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer http://pastebin.ca/280521 |
| 23:32.24 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 23:32.31 | macnewbold | yay for bigdog_ut! el_gaucho to the rescue! :) |
| 23:32.33 | bigdog_ut | if you add that to a file in your /etc/yum.repos.d/CentOS-Testing.repo |
| 23:32.54 | bigdog_ut | that will allow you to access other rpms that might help out |
| 23:33.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:34.26 | bigdog_ut | sometimes be careful it likes to install new stuff |
| 23:34.31 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:35.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Added 102 new packages, deleted 0 old in 0.66 seconds |
| 23:35.50 | Lone_Wanderer | No Matches found |
| 23:37.00 | bigdog_ut | was there are freetds package? |
| 23:37.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm looking |
| 23:37.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I did yum search freetds |
| 23:37.15 | bigdog_ut | is this going to be production? |
| 23:37.32 | macnewbold | if he can get it working :) |
| 23:37.40 | macnewbold | j/k, I have no idea |
| 23:37.48 | bigdog_ut | you might want to roll your own rpms then |
| 23:37.53 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh. it's installed already. |
| 23:37.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Thought so. |
| 23:38.17 | bigdog_ut | unless you have those libs it doesnt look like it |
| 23:38.32 | Lone_Wanderer | freetds.i386 0.63-2 installed |
| 23:38.58 | bigdog_ut | and that contains the lib you need? |
| 23:39.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, presumably. |
| 23:39.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not working though. |
| 23:39.39 | bigdog_ut | what is the error you are getting? |
| 23:40.00 | bigdog_ut | that your missing a lib? |
| 23:40.36 | Lone_Wanderer | PHP Warning: odbc_connect(): SQL error: [unixODBC][Driver Manager]Driver's SQLAllocHandle on SQL_HANDLE_HENV failed, SQL state IM004 in SQLConnect in/srv/www/htdocs/ odbc_test.php on line 6 |
| 23:40.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Well I don't know if I'm missing a library becacuse I don't know what that error means. |
| 23:41.45 | dataw0lf | odbc connected, you're just having a problem with the SQL inserted within said ODBC connection. |
| 23:41.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Google says that it's generally an indicator that the library I'm pointing to is not an odbc library. |
| 23:41.58 | Lone_Wanderer | there is no SQL |
| 23:42.39 | bigdog_ut | that might be a bug with unixODBC |
| 23:43.05 | bigdog_ut | does mssql tabke an instance? |
| 23:43.33 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, you there? |
| 23:43.38 | beandog | sweet |
| 23:44.26 | dataw0lf | did I gtell you kids about the rteam that is submitting a form, taking the form values in JavaScript, then submitting them with GET? |
| 23:44.28 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer i wonder if you need to specify and instance fo rthe connection |
| 23:44.57 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, no you didn't, what's their reasoning for that? |
| 23:45.05 | dataw0lf | no error checking, nothing. They just build a form get query with the values submitted via the form. |
| 23:45.13 | dataw0lf | no reasoning. |
| 23:45.17 | dataw0lf | I talked to their senior dev |
| 23:45.36 | dataw0lf | and I was like 'bro, this shit is like dailyWTF material' |
| 23:45.41 | bigdog_ut | Lone_Wanderer did you see that |
| 23:45.44 | dataw0lf | I'm drunk |
| 23:45.47 | dataw0lf | but goddamn |
| 23:45.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I did yeah bigdog_ut |
| 23:46.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm very, very tired though |
| 23:46.06 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 23:46.09 | Lone_Wanderer | so I'm tempted to just go home. it's pretty close to five. |
| 23:46.16 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 23:46.31 | dataw0lf | bigdog, you're distracting from my hilarious GET query code |
| 23:46.37 | dataw0lf | c'mon dude! |
| 23:46.59 | bigdog_ut | post it to dwtf |
| 23:47.04 | dataw0lf | after seeing that code I was like 'dude, I'm fucking DONE!' and went and grabbed some cocktails from the break room |
| 23:47.07 | Lone_Wanderer | do it, it's worthy |
| 23:47.24 | dataw0lf | I know. I don't know if I want to alienate my teams like that though. |
| 23:47.28 | dataw0lf | it's kinda embarrassing. |
| 23:47.40 | dataw0lf | ok, strike the fucking kinda, it's REALLY embarrassing. |
| 23:47.42 | Lone_Wanderer | They read the daily wtf? |
| 23:47.45 | dataw0lf | my bad |
| 23:47.49 | dataw0lf | with language, that is |
| 23:48.22 | dataw0lf | I dunno, but, I mean, you get something pointed out like THAT, and I'm sure it's going to make a splash |
| 23:49.39 | dataw0lf | I thought the code was sloppy, but half way through I was like "WTF?!", and I realized that it wasn't anything complex I was missing.... no, no, they just take form variables and insert them in a GET redirect. |
| 23:50.14 | dataw0lf | I tried to play it straight and was like "Are you guys planning on doing anything with these variables?" thinking that, even if they didn't, perhaps it would hint to the problem |
| 23:50.17 | dataw0lf | they were like |
| 23:50.34 | dataw0lf | "no, no, it's just the most efficient way to grab all the variables" |
| 23:50.38 | dataw0lf | LOL |
| 23:50.57 | dataw0lf | oh man |
| 23:50.59 | dataw0lf | these kids |
| 23:51.03 | dataw0lf | I love PHP progammers |
| 23:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | where does that even come from? |
| 23:51.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean... |
| 23:51.07 | dataw0lf | programmers* |
| 23:51.21 | Lone_Wanderer | are they just completely retarded? |
| 23:51.34 | dataw0lf | well, the lead programmer on this team I recruited like a couple weeks ago, primarily on the basis that he said he knew AJAX well |
| 23:51.37 | Lone_Wanderer | they had it all in a form, right? |
| 23:51.45 | dataw0lf | so perhaps they think we're a JavaScript orientated business. |
| 23:51.52 | dataw0lf | that's the last doubt I'm giving em |
| 23:51.59 | dataw0lf | oh yea, all in a form |
| 23:52.11 | Lone_Wanderer | so, just to make completely sure I'm not missing anything here |
| 23:52.16 | dataw0lf | and the event action is just a function that creates a GET based URL |
| 23:52.18 | dataw0lf | that's it |
| 23:52.21 | Lone_Wanderer | they could have just left everything alone and it would have posted |
| 23:52.28 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 23:52.53 | timinator | or put GET in their Form action and it would've worked okay, right? |
| 23:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | should have |
| 23:53.07 | dataw0lf | well, sure, it creates a GET url, which is ok, even though it's the wrong way, but, first of all, in the operation we're dealing with, you don't use GET url creation |
| 23:53.09 | Lone_Wanderer | same |
| 23:53.26 | dataw0lf | I mean, by HTTP standards they FAIL |
| 23:53.41 | dataw0lf | and by any reasonable web developer standards, it's like, w... t... f |
| 23:54.11 | dataw0lf | ev3en drunk, I'm trying to coach them to the right answer, but they just don't get it |
| 23:54.19 | dataw0lf | oh well |
| 23:54.20 | timinator | right, but you DEFINATELY don't run everything through JS simply to GET the form |
| 23:54.21 | dataw0lf | it's Friday |
| 23:54.29 | dataw0lf | timinator: amen, brotha. |
| 23:54.39 | timinator | s/DEFINATELY/DEFINITELY/ |
| 23:55.11 | dataw0lf | I told them in a conference call "Guys, this is NOT the right way to do this. I'll give you the weekend to figure otu how." so, hopefully, this will motivate them to do some studying. |
| 23:55.18 | dataw0lf | If, by Monday, they don't have it.... |
| 23:55.19 | dataw0lf | well |
| 23:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | what's to study? |
| 23:55.26 | dataw0lf | there's going to be some firing goin' on. |
| 23:55.30 | bradym | we fired someone a couple months ago.. she had that kind of crap all over the place in her code.. |
| 23:55.35 | Lone_Wanderer | you just do NOTHING |
| 23:55.51 | dataw0lf | I mean, right, LW |
| 23:56.01 | dataw0lf | what's the purpose of forms in the first place |
| 23:56.03 | dataw0lf | crikey |
| 23:56.30 | dataw0lf | I expect kids who graduate from Stanford, UoW, etc, to know these things. |
| 23:56.49 | dataw0lf | just validates my argument against traditional education, is all |
| 23:57.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm seriously tempted to send you my resume now :p |
| 23:58.18 | dataw0lf | dude, it'd be welcome. I have three teams, one is AWESOME (and, loltastically, the least 'traditionally' educated), the other two are varying degrees of hopelessness) |
| 23:58.57 | bradym | ouch.. that's rough |
| 23:59.08 | dataw0lf | I'm pulling my hair out now. And I know, at least one of the DBAs on the crappy team, has made references that I haven't completed a B.S. |
| 23:59.19 | dataw0lf | to one of my supervisors |
| 23:59.25 | dataw0lf | he just forwarded the email and laughed |
| 23:59.32 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:59.34 | bradym | lol |
