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| 01:05.02 | dataw0lf | jeez, this fireplace will not get going |
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| 02:40.35 | mindjuju | what you doing working macnewbold |
| 02:40.41 | macnewbold | gradefix :) |
| 02:40.50 | macnewbold | and a little bit of catchup on some sysadmin stuff over the break |
| 02:40.52 | mindjuju | yup, i thought so |
| 02:41.16 | macnewbold | found out yesterday that one of our guys is putting in his notice |
| 02:41.24 | macnewbold | so dealing with that some too |
| 02:41.27 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 02:41.29 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 02:41.42 | mindjuju | we're trying to hire somebody but haven't had any bites lately |
| 02:41.44 | macnewbold | it all started cause he didn't want to sign the employee agreement |
| 02:41.58 | mindjuju | utah's got real low unemployment right now |
| 02:42.02 | mindjuju | didn't want to sign? |
| 02:42.09 | mindjuju | that's wierd, did they say why not? |
| 02:42.32 | macnewbold | yeah, we had our lawyer draft up something, and made it quite palatable, and most of the guys had no problems with it |
| 02:42.46 | macnewbold | (basically, it was just writing down the verbal understanding we'd hired everyone under) |
| 02:42.52 | macnewbold | but he freaked out |
| 02:43.09 | macnewbold | at a previous job, he wrote a program that did a bunch of his work for him, sped things up, |
| 02:43.23 | macnewbold | and when the company found out, they said, "oh cool! show us!" and he gave it to them, |
| 02:43.32 | macnewbold | and they fired him since it would do what they needed him for |
| 02:43.36 | macnewbold | so he's a bit bitter about it |
| 02:43.59 | mindjuju | hmmm, that's wierd |
| 02:44.01 | macnewbold | when he saw ours, he and his lawyer (I think his dad, who is a real estate guy mostly, but also a lawyer too) drafted up something else |
| 02:44.47 | macnewbold | but it was practically useless from our point of view, as it eliminated some of the most important clauses we needed to have in there to protect the company and it's employees from a rogue former employee who went nuts |
| 02:45.09 | macnewbold | if you're interested, I'll show you what ours says, and you can give me an honest opinion what you think of it |
| 02:45.12 | mindjuju | drafted something else? who does he think he is? |
| 02:45.21 | mindjuju | NFL draft pick? |
| 02:45.26 | macnewbold | yeah, he came back and said I won't sign yours, but I'll sign this one |
| 02:45.51 | macnewbold | then all of a sudden he says he's leaving |
| 02:46.07 | mindjuju | yeah, but the guy sounds fruity from the begining |
| 02:46.09 | macnewbold | he's been acting a little funny lately, taking certain phone calls in private, etc |
| 02:46.18 | macnewbold | he's a little strong-willed sometimes |
| 02:46.22 | mindjuju | yeah, i'd pitch him out |
| 02:46.40 | mindjuju | that would be disruptive to the team / company |
| 02:46.43 | macnewbold | we're quite certain he lined up something else in the meantime, knowing that he wanted to quit here I guess |
| 02:46.56 | mindjuju | yup, that's what it sounded like |
| 02:47.09 | mindjuju | yeah, IM your job notice |
| 02:47.33 | macnewbold | he's been a good asset, but if he isn't going to cooperate to further company goals, it's just a matter of time before it becomes a big enough problem |
| 02:47.52 | mindjuju | i let my employment test filter out the riff - raft, so it keeps me just meeting qualified semi - intelligent people |
| 02:48.06 | mindjuju | yup |
| 02:48.06 | macnewbold | nice |
| 02:49.02 | macnewbold | the funny thing is that the agreement we wanted him to sign isn't bad at all, IMHO. |
| 02:49.38 | mindjuju | pretty standard employment boilerplate? |
| 02:49.42 | macnewbold | we made the lawyers take out the non-compete clause, and reduced it to they won't compete for our customers or employees for a year, |
| 02:49.49 | macnewbold | yeah, pretty standard |
| 02:50.00 | macnewbold | company owns the code they write for us on company time, |
| 02:50.43 | mindjuju | that's fair |
| 02:50.47 | macnewbold | they'll keep confidential things confidential, |
| 02:51.02 | macnewbold | and that was about it |
| 02:51.18 | macnewbold | all of which they knew about at hiring time, |
| 02:51.18 | macnewbold | and have been doing all this time |
| 02:51.21 | macnewbold | he's been with us almost a year |
| 02:51.35 | macnewbold | and his doc said mostly similar things, but in his way instead of ours, |
| 02:51.47 | macnewbold | but his had a ton of holes in it compared to ours |
| 02:52.10 | macnewbold | he had a wacky understanding of the doc we gave him from the beginning, so that's why he was freaking out |
| 02:52.24 | macnewbold | it was a bit disappointing, for sure |
| 02:52.42 | macnewbold | makes you wonder if you're doing something wrong when an employee wants to leave over something like this |
| 02:52.46 | macnewbold | or if it is just him |
| 02:52.54 | mindjuju | sounds like him |
| 03:00.04 | macnewbold | I hope so |
| 03:33.22 | dataw0lf | sup |
| 03:34.46 | macnewbold | evenin |
| 03:39.47 | dataw0lf | you're on a lil late mac |
| 03:41.02 | macnewbold | yeah, I know |
| 03:41.16 | macnewbold | just sneaking in some extra time at work |
| 03:41.38 | macnewbold | mostly working on gradefix.com stuff though, not work work |
| 03:42.13 | dataw0lf | what's gradefix.com? |
| 03:42.48 | macnewbold | see www.gradefix.com |
| 03:42.55 | macnewbold | project a partner and I have been putting together |
| 03:43.02 | macnewbold | tool for students |
| 03:43.37 | macnewbold | they put in their assignments and study time they have available, it generates a schedule that gets everything done on time if they stick to it |
| 03:43.39 | dataw0lf | yea, looking at it |
| 03:43.43 | dataw0lf | that's sweet |
| 03:44.10 | dataw0lf | Nice. |
| 03:44.24 | macnewbold | we were planning on mostly the college market, but we've had lots of high school users too, and some younger |
| 03:44.40 | dataw0lf | you got reminders? |
| 03:45.03 | macnewbold | we were planning on USA, maybe Canada, UK, Australia, but now have users in at least 24 countries (in less than 3 months of being live) |
| 03:45.10 | macnewbold | actually, that's what I'm working on right now :) |
| 03:45.25 | macnewbold | writing the cron job to send out email reminders each day (or however often they choose) to those that want them |
| 03:45.45 | macnewbold | before too long, we'll send TXT/SMS reminders to your cell phone if you want, too |
| 03:46.01 | dataw0lf | yea, that's what I was going to mention (TXT/SMS), it's something I'm working on. |
| 03:46.07 | dataw0lf | big market for it. |
| 03:46.11 | macnewbold | yeah, totally |
| 03:46.19 | macnewbold | people get really excited when you tell them it will be able to do that |
| 03:46.44 | macnewbold | email is better/as good/almost as good for many people, but it depends how often you check your mail |
| 03:47.04 | macnewbold | TXT/SMS will arrive at the hour you choose with everything right there on your phone that you need to do |
| 03:47.38 | dataw0lf | nice |
| 03:47.59 | macnewbold | another thing I've got to add soon is time zones |
| 03:48.00 | dataw0lf | yea, I'm spearheading a project to brainstorm ways to generate leads via TXT/SMS interfacing |
| 03:48.07 | macnewbold | cool |
| 03:48.23 | dataw0lf | time zones? in what capacity? |
| 03:51.13 | dataw0lf | I REALLY like the design of gradefix |
| 03:54.31 | macnewbold | thanks |
| 03:54.42 | dataw0lf | welcome |
| 03:54.51 | macnewbold | time zones as in we've got users in the far east that see everything about 16 hours different than local time |
| 03:55.06 | dataw0lf | oh, right. |
| 03:55.11 | macnewbold | it's not as huge as it could be, since the only place time matters so far is when it rolls over to the next day |
| 03:55.23 | dataw0lf | right. |
| 03:55.27 | macnewbold | but later, it will matter for the cell phone reminders, since we don't want to page them at 2am probably |
| 03:55.36 | dataw0lf | good point ;) |
| 03:56.54 | macnewbold | some of the far east users have complained about the difficulty of seeing yesterday's homework as today's for most of the morning |
| 03:57.56 | dataw0lf | using PHP 5? |
| 03:58.07 | macnewbold | nope, 4 |
| 03:58.25 | macnewbold | don't have a 5 server handy ATM |
| 03:58.54 | macnewbold | and for now, still need to keep all our work (at work) compatible with the lowest-common-denominator hosting places |
| 03:59.12 | macnewbold | and that's where gradefix is hosted, so it's php4 |
| 04:04.44 | macnewbold | that, and no need for php5 :) |
| 04:08.15 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 04:10.52 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: understandable |
| 04:10.56 | dataw0lf | ~lart mindjuju |
| 04:11.02 | macnewbold | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 04:11.03 | jbot | ACTION and macnewbold demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on mindjuju's forehead |
| 04:11.18 | dataw0lf | haiiiiii yaaaaah! |
| 04:11.52 | mindjuju | ~bdhit datawolf and macnewbold |
| 04:11.53 | jbot | ACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on datawolf and macnewbold's forehead |
| 04:11.54 | macnewbold | ouch |
| 04:12.08 | macnewbold | so that's a bdhit and a dwhit? |
| 04:12.24 | mindjuju | yeah, bigdog_ut hit and dataw0lf hit |
| 04:12.34 | macnewbold | mindjuju, so what are you doing so late on a saturday night? |
| 04:12.40 | mindjuju | comments for the attacks came from a real battle they had |
| 04:12.48 | mindjuju | just wrapping some stuff up actually |
| 04:13.00 | mindjuju | by the way, there even is a mac attack |
| 04:13.05 | mindjuju | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 04:13.06 | jbot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire macnewbold's car! |
| 04:13.30 | mindjuju | and there is one for timinator |
| 04:13.34 | mindjuju | ~timber dataw0lf |
| 04:13.51 | mindjuju | hey jbot, get workin'! |
| 04:13.59 | mindjuju | ~jbot |
| 04:14.00 | jbot | i guess jbot is only marginally useful at best, He got a C- on his Turing Test |
| 04:14.11 | mindjuju | ~timber dataw0lf |
| 04:14.39 | mindjuju | oh, it's something else |
| 04:14.43 | mindjuju | ~timattack dataw0lf |
| 04:14.45 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to chase dataw0lf! |
| 04:18.54 | dataw0lf | eek |
| 04:19.54 | dataw0lf | I can't figure out how to make this pot pie. I'm pathetic. |
| 04:20.02 | dataw0lf | might have to wake up my girlfriend for this complex operation. |
| 04:22.13 | mindjuju | like just a regular pot pie, like the kind you get at the store? chicken or turkey? |
| 04:22.36 | dataw0lf | It's an Anne's Chicken Curry Pot Pie |
| 04:23.09 | mindjuju | like 350 degrees for 20 minutes |
| 04:23.15 | dataw0lf | I'm following the instructions, but the outside completely burned, and the inside was frozen. |
| 04:23.36 | dataw0lf | there's too many buttons on this oven. |
| 04:23.40 | mindjuju | oh |
| 04:24.39 | dataw0lf | the only help I'll get from brit probably, though, is a boot in the a$$ out the the bedroom |
| 04:27.53 | dataw0lf | not worth the risk. I'll just go to bed. |
| 04:27.55 | dataw0lf | night! |
| 04:27.57 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 04:28.15 | macnewbold | probably had it on too high |
| 04:28.22 | macnewbold | or was supposed to thaw it first :) |
| 04:29.01 | mindjuju | yeah, sounds like too high |
| 04:31.49 | olds | sucks you lost an employee macnewbold |
| 04:32.04 | macnewbold | yeah, we're not excited about it |
| 04:32.19 | macnewbold | now we're likely going to be trying to hire two people if we can, rather than 1 |
| 04:32.34 | olds | sucky |
| 04:33.48 | macnewbold | yeah. it looks like we'll be down at least 1 developer (25%-33% reduction depending who you count) for at least the last half of December, maybe longer |
| 04:34.02 | macnewbold | hm... what to do about his christmas bonus... |
| 04:34.16 | macnewbold | and we just gave him a raise a month or so ago, too |
| 04:34.44 | olds | php dev? |
| 04:35.10 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 04:35.35 | olds | I just took a job down at the company psychic works for |
| 04:36.13 | olds | don't think he is |
| 04:36.22 | macnewbold | I've been feeling around for people for a few months now, so I've got a couple of interviews I'm trying to set up with interested people, but definitely looking for more good applicants if we can find them |
| 04:36.32 | macnewbold | olds: remind me the company name? |
| 04:36.39 | olds | mediaRAIN |
| 04:36.40 | macnewbold | I know I know it, |
| 04:36.42 | macnewbold | ah, right |
| 04:36.53 | olds | commute is going to be sucky |
| 04:36.57 | olds | SLC -> Orem |
| 04:37.04 | olds | at least it's the opposite way of most people |
| 04:37.16 | mindjuju | well, at least your going the opposite way of traffic |
| 04:37.43 | macnewbold | yeah, very true |
| 04:38.09 | macnewbold | the girl we just hired (not a dev) will be coming from down south for the time being |
| 04:38.50 | macnewbold | we tried to get psychic a while back, but he didn't want to commute up here nor relocate |
| 04:39.02 | olds | yea, relocating isn't an option for me |
| 04:40.10 | macnewbold | yeah, I won't ever intentionally move to Happy Valley I don't think |
| 04:40.25 | macnewbold | I can't even bring myself to move out of SLCity proper |
| 04:40.33 | olds | ditto |
| 04:40.41 | macnewbold | there are a ton of places in SLCounty now that are almost as far from work as Utah Valley :) |
| 04:40.55 | macnewbold | without good fast roads like I-15 even |
| 04:41.23 | olds | yea, I timed the drive when I was coming back from my interview |
| 04:41.31 | olds | almost exactly 45 minutes |
| 04:41.39 | olds | like 44 and change |
| 04:41.41 | macnewbold | yikes |
| 04:41.58 | macnewbold | that's 1.5 hrs/day * 5, 7.5 hrs/week? |
| 04:42.03 | olds | yup |
| 04:42.07 | macnewbold | get some audio books or something... |
| 04:42.18 | olds | I'mma buy me summa that satellite radio |
| 04:42.32 | macnewbold | sometimes I wish my 10-15 minute commute from Sugarhouse to Foothill were a little shorter |
| 04:42.44 | macnewbold | but it isn't bad |
| 04:42.54 | macnewbold | goes sideways to all the traffic |
| 04:43.02 | olds | yea, if you can avoid the freeway, that's the way to go |
| 04:43.20 | olds | I looked into taking the bus, or trax or something |
| 04:43.21 | macnewbold | the only fast route (I-80) is longer distance for almost the same time |
| 04:43.24 | olds | if just doesn't work |
| 04:43.29 | macnewbold | so I end up taking 2100 S most of the time |
| 04:43.29 | olds | *it |
| 04:43.42 | macnewbold | but there's a ton of lights, and a significant number of dumb drivers |
| 04:44.02 | macnewbold | yeah, trax would be cool if you could take it all the way |
| 04:44.08 | olds | yea |
| 04:44.16 | macnewbold | but you'd have to transfer at Sandy to a bus, or take an express bus the whole way |
| 04:44.23 | olds | yup |
| 04:44.27 | macnewbold | takes a little longer, but you can do stuff you can't do while you're driving |
| 04:44.33 | olds | yea |
| 04:45.45 | olds | the money was decent, so I thought I'd give it a go |
| 04:46.18 | macnewbold | really? decent pay in Utah Valley? That's odd, I'll have to remember mediaRain |
| 04:46.51 | olds | well, considering my experience |
| 04:47.17 | olds | and it was the first place I applied to |
| 04:47.32 | macnewbold | nice |
| 04:47.34 | macnewbold | that's always good |
| 04:48.45 | olds | it seemed like a really good work environment |
| 04:50.05 | macnewbold | when did/do you start? |
| 04:50.13 | olds | December 4 |
| 04:51.23 | macnewbold | cool |
| 04:51.32 | olds | yup yup |
| 04:51.44 | olds | I have a really comfy car for the commute |
| 04:53.00 | olds | and that does make a difference |
| 05:01.49 | macnewbold | what's anabasis? |
| 05:02.12 | mindjuju | ~anabasis |
| 05:02.51 | mindjuju | Anabasis is the most famous work of the Greek writer Xenophon. |
| 05:04.30 | macnewbold | ~xenophon |
| 05:04.52 | macnewbold | if that's really it, why is olds "working" on it? |
| 05:04.56 | mindjuju | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabasis_(Xenophon) |
| 05:05.55 | mindjuju | maybe he's got a paper |
| 05:05.56 | macnewbold | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabasis |
| 05:05.56 | macnewbold | ouch, |
| 05:05.56 | macnewbold | that's got to hurt |
| 05:18.05 | beandog | 'the fountain' was really weird. |
| 05:20.52 | macnewbold | beandog: sup? |
| 05:21.02 | beandog | macnewbold: that movie was totally pointless |
| 05:21.08 | macnewbold | ah |
| 05:21.30 | macnewbold | we definitely have an opening coming up, beandog - one of our guys gave his notice |
| 05:21.30 | beandog | I still dont have a clue what happened. |
| 05:21.32 | beandog | :) |
| 05:21.38 | beandog | huzzah! |
| 05:21.50 | macnewbold | maybe two openings |
| 05:21.51 | beandog | macnewbold: did I tell you I found a place? |
| 05:21.59 | beandog | to move |
| 05:22.00 | beandog | heh |
| 05:22.20 | mindjuju | the fountain? haven't heard of it |
| 05:22.30 | tierra | eco has been waiting for that movie to come out for a year, haven't heard from him if he's seen it yet |
| 05:22.38 | beandog | mindjuju: its a 2 hour death scene, I kdi you not. |
| 05:22.45 | mindjuju | weird |
| 05:22.51 | beandog | That or a 2 hour cologne commercial. |
| 05:23.09 | beandog | go see james bond again |
| 05:23.09 | beandog | :D |
| 05:23.50 | macnewbold | congrats on the apartment |
| 05:24.59 | beandog | yah |
| 05:25.02 | beandog | im moving next monday. |
| 05:31.43 | macnewbold | that's literally just down the street from Code Greene's office - 1300 South |
| 05:32.20 | beandog | really? thats where Im at |
| 05:32.22 | beandog | 13th south |
| 05:32.25 | beandog | 5th east |
| 05:33.12 | beandog | nice little 2 bedroom apt |
| 05:33.51 | macnewbold | nice, that's down the street from my house too (5th east) |
| 05:34.05 | macnewbold | I'm closer to Columbus Library/Nibley Park Golf Course though |
| 05:34.38 | macnewbold | mind if I ask about how much they're going for down that way? |
| 05:35.00 | macnewbold | I've got a good friend and gradefix partner who is at 11 something south on 3rd east |
| 05:35.55 | beandog | I got mine for 675 |
| 05:35.59 | beandog | which is freaking unbelievable |
| 05:36.03 | beandog | thats less than waht Im paying now. |
| 05:36.09 | beandog | for a 1 bedroom |
| 05:36.26 | beandog | there's probably rats. |
| 05:37.27 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 05:37.31 | macnewbold | no, that's pretty reasonable |
| 05:37.48 | macnewbold | I had a 3-bedroom in my current neighborhood for that much 3 years ago |
| 05:37.57 | beandog | really? huh |
| 05:37.58 | beandog | ok |
| 05:38.15 | macnewbold | but that was before realestate prices went so far up |
| 05:38.29 | beandog | yah |
| 05:38.38 | beandog | from what I understand all the new construction is driving prices up |
| 05:39.41 | mindjuju | actually real estate prices have been failing for the last 2 months |
| 05:39.48 | mindjuju | we're looking to buy a house |
| 05:39.54 | beandog | oh really? I wanna get a house up there too |
| 05:39.59 | mindjuju | everybody says to wait a year and let the market crash |
| 05:40.00 | beandog | theres a lot of areas up in SLC I really like |
| 05:40.04 | beandog | really? heh. |
| 05:46.16 | mindjuju | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061120/ap_on_bi_ge/home_sales |
| 05:46.38 | macnewbold | my sources say it won't "crash" so much as "stop growing" until real life catches up to the inflated prices |
| 05:48.51 | mindjuju | bummer, cause i'm hoping for a crash so we can get something decent |
| 05:49.01 | mindjuju | housing in utah is crazy expensive |
| 05:49.28 | beandog | yah. |
| 05:49.29 | beandog | agreed. |
| 05:50.11 | mindjuju | don't remember where the SLC is on this list, but it was way above Houston |
| 05:50.12 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/26/real_estate/costliest_housing_cities_for_middle_managment/index1.htm |
| 05:50.29 | mindjuju | and Houston on average pays significantly more for tech than utah |
| 05:51.18 | macnewbold | it isn't crazy expensive here until it is like California or New York |
| 05:51.21 | mindjuju | my wife hates this chart by the way. we can buy 2 houses in Houston with identical features for the price of one in ut |
| 05:51.42 | macnewbold | where in UT? |
| 05:51.50 | mindjuju | slc and provo are listed |
| 05:52.04 | macnewbold | hm, I'll have to take a look |
| 05:52.21 | mindjuju | here is what is being looked for |
| 05:52.22 | mindjuju | The index provides apples-to-apples comparisons of 342 U.S. markets, looking at the cost of a four-bedroom, two-and-a-half bath, 2,200 square foot house with a two-car garage in a nice, middle-class neighborhood. |
| 05:52.49 | mindjuju | slc - 341k, pro - 320k , hou - 155k |
| 05:53.40 | mindjuju | oh well, i'd better finish this last part so i can get some sleep |
| 05:56.23 | macnewbold | ah, that's a big house |
| 05:56.25 | macnewbold | no wonder :) |
| 05:56.48 | macnewbold | I'd love a house like that |
| 05:57.14 | mindjuju | i've got a 3 bd 2 bath at 2100 (townhome) no garage |
| 05:57.24 | mindjuju | but this place is pricey! |
| 05:58.10 | beandog | ok |
| 05:58.13 | beandog | g'nite all |
| 05:58.20 | mindjuju | cya beandog |
| 06:00.21 | mindjuju | k, i'm all done too, bye! |
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