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| 00:07.58 | beandog | Does php have a function to just resort the keys in an array, but not sort the array by values? |
| 00:08.42 | beandog | I guess I could just dump them in a new array.. |
| 00:09.39 | macnewbold | beandog: yeah, it does |
| 00:10.02 | wps | everyone ready to go? |
| 00:10.05 | macnewbold | so you want to sort the keys in the array, and keep the corresponding values with their proper keys? |
| 00:10.11 | wps | done repenting? |
| 00:10.20 | beandog | Right |
| 00:10.33 | beandog | Im just looping through an array, removing bogus rows |
| 00:10.34 | macnewbold | I believe that one is php.net/ksort |
| 00:10.44 | beandog | But I want to reset the keys, but not the order. |
| 00:10.56 | macnewbold | ah, so it's numerically keyed? |
| 00:11.00 | beandog | Yah |
| 00:11.03 | macnewbold | ah |
| 00:11.51 | beandog | asort |
| 00:11.53 | beandog | Thats it |
| 00:11.56 | beandog | Thanks guys :D |
| 00:12.36 | beandog | er, maybe not. |
| 00:13.11 | macnewbold | aha! |
| 00:13.18 | macnewbold | beandog: try array_merge |
| 00:13.28 | macnewbold | www.php.net/array_merge has this comment: |
| 00:13.31 | macnewbold | f only one array is given and the array is numerically indexed, the keys get reindexed in a continuous way. |
| 00:13.44 | macnewbold | tada! |
| 00:13.56 | macnewbold | see, php _does_ have a function for nearly everything :) |
| 00:14.49 | beandog | Man |
| 00:14.54 | beandog | I never would have thought to look at that one |
| 00:14.55 | beandog | Thanks mac |
| 00:19.36 | macnewbold | hehe yeah, who would have guessed... some of the functions have side-effects that can be used alone in odd ways :) |
| 00:22.09 | dataw0lf | interesting idea on the ML mac. |
| 00:25.37 | beandog | I agree, I like it |
| 00:26.33 | beandog | When are you gonna start teaching |
| 00:26.34 | beandog | :D |
| 00:37.02 | macnewbold | doh, missed beandog |
| 00:38.21 | macnewbold | ~seen beandog |
| 00:38.22 | jbot | beandog <~sdibb@64.50.56.200> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 11m 40s ago, saying: 'Ah well, time to go home.'. |
| 01:03.27 | wps | any up for some simple javascript help? |
| 01:03.38 | wps | I have a function that toggles all checkboxes on and off |
| 01:03.56 | wps | if I call the function using an onclick within a span or an anchor tag, it works |
| 01:04.18 | wps | but if I call it from a checkbox or a button, it doesn't |
| 01:04.23 | wps | I want to call it from a button |
| 01:04.40 | wps | I get a javascript error that the function is not a function |
| 01:04.43 | wps | any ideas? |
| 01:04.54 | wps | (I can give you a URL if you want to see it) |
| 01:16.10 | wps | sheesh |
| 01:16.13 | wps | guess what it was |
| 01:16.25 | wps | the name of my form element was the same as my funtion |
| 01:21.05 | wps | can you call more than one javascript function with an onclick? |
| 01:21.17 | wps | or do you have to call one function that calls the other two? |
| 01:21.22 | usynic | I bet you can |
| 01:21.34 | usynic | just separated with a semi colon |
| 01:22.25 | wps | not working |
| 01:22.30 | wps | is only calling the first |
| 01:22.48 | usynic | hrmm, and firefox doesn't have any info in the javascript console? |
| 01:23.08 | wps | man |
| 01:23.11 | wps | I am retarted today |
| 01:23.16 | wps | put the code in the wrong element |
| 01:23.28 | wps | sweet |
| 01:23.29 | usynic | ah, hehe |
| 01:23.30 | wps | it does work |
| 01:23.40 | wps | that's cool |
| 01:23.43 | wps | I have never done that before |
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| 03:14.51 | dataw0lf | sup tierra |
| 03:14.58 | tierra | hey |
| 03:15.26 | dataw0lf | Already having some weird problems at work. It's awesome. |
| 03:29.26 | tierra | I'm looking into the MPPE route using Poptop or something for VPN needs... |
| 03:30.24 | tierra | IPsec just wasn't being very friendly in my Xen environment |
| 03:30.29 | dataw0lf | yar. |
| 03:31.21 | tierra | I'm not sure why I didn't go MPPE in the first place... Windows has a client built in in the first place, and I've seen it mentioned a few times on the Linode forums but it never really registered in my brain |
| 03:31.50 | tierra | seems to be a number of Linode users using MPPE |
| 03:31.54 | dataw0lf | Huh. |
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| 15:01.09 | wps | any not see this? |
| 15:01.18 | wps | YaGoohoo!gle |
| 15:01.20 | wps | http://yagoohoogle.com/ |
| 15:02.55 | dw|w | interesting. |
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| 15:19.00 | dw|w | bigdog_ut, you hater. |
| 15:21.50 | macnewbold | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html |
| 15:22.01 | macnewbold | RFC 3092 - Etymology of "Foo" |
| 15:22.05 | macnewbold | ~rfc 3092 |
| 15:22.09 | macnewbold | ~rfc3092 |
| 15:22.40 | dw|w | Hehe. |
| 15:22.45 | bigdog_ut | nice |
| 15:23.06 | bigdog_ut | nothing like an rfc to explain other rfcs |
| 15:23.35 | dw|w | what's the DF ToS? Don't fragment? |
| 15:23.38 | bigdog_ut | i like the reference to the foo fighters personally |
| 15:28.15 | macnewbold | ToS is usually Terms of Service, IIRC |
| 15:28.17 | macnewbold | ~ToS |
| 15:28.18 | jbot | tos is probably type of service, or the operating system for the Atari ST. |
| 15:28.32 | dw|w | Hehe, I know what ToS is. |
| 15:28.40 | macnewbold | jbot: ToS is also Terms of Service |
| 15:28.41 | jbot | macnewbold: okay |
| 15:29.43 | dw|w | but the 'DF' ToS.. that's Don't Fragment (just looked it up) |
| 15:29.43 | bigdog_ut | yeah he is a security god |
| 15:29.43 | dw|w | best believe it, sucka. |
| 15:29.43 | macnewbold | sorry... :) I was apparently in a different context |
| 15:29.43 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 15:29.45 | bigdog_ut | hey mac...remember that conversionation we had about server ip address |
| 15:29.49 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 15:30.22 | bigdog_ut | dude...i had the php server var all wrong |
| 15:30.35 | bigdog_ut | but i did some more research on it |
| 15:30.48 | bigdog_ut | and mainly it is used for pinging that i was talking about |
| 15:30.55 | bigdog_ut | not web surfing |
| 15:31.00 | macnewbold | ah |
| 15:31.10 | bigdog_ut | so i was wrong about that |
| 15:31.22 | bigdog_ut | but i did find the article in 2600 mag |
| 15:31.51 | dw|w | macnewbold, sorry, should've said, "What's the 'DF' TCP Type of Service?" |
| 15:31.51 | bigdog_ut | vol. 20, # 4 |
| 15:31.56 | bigdog_ut | article "Fun with Hping" page 26 |
| 15:33.31 | macnewbold | cool... so you can get ping results back by bouncing it off another computer? |
| 15:34.08 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 15:34.28 | bigdog_ut | that article tells you how to do it |
| 15:34.50 | macnewbold | cool |
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| 15:36.37 | bigdog_ut | the var i was thinking of was http_referer |
| 15:37.42 | macnewbold | ah, yes. That one can _definitely_ be faked, just like user_agent |
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| 15:39.08 | macnewbold | uh oh, time to leave... |
| 15:39.22 | macnewbold | look who the cat dragged in... |
| 15:39.34 | dw|w | HTTP_REFERER is very, very easy to spoof. |
| 15:39.36 | macnewbold | arriving at work a little late, aren't we, optikal-? |
| 15:40.13 | macnewbold | ~wake up optikal- |
| 15:40.15 | jbot | up optikal-: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:40.16 | optikal- | hehe. |
| 15:40.29 | optikal- | yeah, i slept in a extra 30min =) |
| 15:40.34 | macnewbold | ~wake the dead |
| 15:40.36 | jbot | the dead: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 15:40.39 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 15:40.58 | macnewbold | a new segment for Letterman: "Stupid IRCBot Tricks" |
| 15:41.14 | macnewbold | we're just giving you a hard time, optikal- .... you missed half the fun |
| 15:41.30 | optikal- | oh did i? |
| 15:41.31 | macnewbold | we were just discussing faking things like http referrer and user agent headers |
| 15:41.41 | optikal- | oh fun |
| 15:41.59 | macnewbold | so what fun things have any of you done with faking those? |
| 15:42.33 | macnewbold | about the only thing I've ever done is faked it with wget or curl for pages that try to be sneaky and only let you get something if you were referred by a "secure" page... |
| 15:42.37 | bigdog_ut | pinging the hell out of my network admins box |
| 15:42.57 | macnewbold | what for? DoS? |
| 15:43.00 | bigdog_ut | he hates me u know...cause i dont have a windows box |
| 15:43.05 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 15:43.07 | macnewbold | hehe ah |
| 15:43.14 | macnewbold | ping -f can be really fun |
| 15:43.37 | macnewbold | especially if you have a bunch of *nix workstations you can log into, and do it from many of them at once :) |
| 15:43.44 | macnewbold | kinda hard on the network though, as the man page states |
| 15:43.49 | optikal- | Yeah, just dont do it to your friends box because he thinks it went offline, and it didnt, but your too wasted to remember to 'ctrl+c' it.. so you forget and leave the computer all night |
| 15:47.20 | macnewbold | yeah, cause then he really _will_ be offline for all intents and purposes... |
| 15:47.32 | dw|w | I got a network share on Windows 2000 (client) reporting as 0 / 0 storage. Any ideas gents? |
| 15:48.32 | optikal- | speakin of the devil. *heh* |
| 15:48.45 | optikal- | hmm |
| 15:49.05 | optikal- | can you actually see files/folders on that share, or does it also appear empty? |
| 15:49.52 | dw|w | never mind. |
| 15:50.00 | dw|w | it's on the Tru64 server it's sharing from. |
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| 16:43.42 | dw|w | word, got it. |
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| 18:06.00 | synic | any of you use squirrelmail? |
| 18:06.18 | synic | any way to disable the timeout ? |
| 18:06.33 | synic | the code is rather ... all over the place. I can't find it. |
| 18:06.43 | optikal- | never looked into that.. |
| 18:07.07 | optikal- | http://www.squirrelmail.org/plugin_view.php?id=38 |
| 18:07.11 | synic | if they timeout while they are composing a message, do they lose the message? |
| 18:07.36 | optikal- | to my knowledge, yeah.. because that input box is client side when you type.. |
| 18:08.11 | synic | right, but squirrelmail doesn't save it somehow when you post? |
| 18:08.40 | optikal- | oh i see what you mean |
| 18:08.48 | optikal- | not sure, honestly |
| 18:10.06 | synic | my boss just had an unfortunate timeout accident :) |
| 18:11.03 | optikal- | oh damn |
| 18:17.30 | macnewbold | synic: the timeout might be implemented by having the cookie expire... you could check there to see if you can adjust it |
| 18:18.05 | synic | yeah, Ive been trying to find it |
| 18:18.33 | macnewbold | a hack would be a "keepalive", like setting up a javascript on every page or at least the compose page, that would load an image or something, every 5-10 minutes, so that the session stays alive forever |
| 18:20.20 | synic | ooh, think I just found it |
| 18:20.40 | synic | nope, false alarm |
| 18:46.28 | jsmith | synic: The easiest way to get around the timeout is to set the left pane (folder list) to refresh every 5 minutes. |
| 18:46.43 | jsmith | synic: It's on the "folder options" page, IIRC |
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| 19:45.36 | synic | ~lart optikal- |
| 19:45.44 | optikal- | haha |
| 19:45.54 | synic | ~lart optikal- |
| 19:46.11 | optikal- | what i do to you, sheesh!? |
| 19:46.13 | optikal- | meanie. =( |
| 19:46.50 | synic | (innocently) |
| 19:46.55 | optikal- | haha |
| 19:47.04 | optikal- | oh btws, mr. synic.. was needing to tell you |
| 19:47.12 | optikal- | Monday night, you should come to Todds. |
| 19:47.34 | synic | ooh, for a little kareaoekakekdkakjadsfk (or however you spell it) action? |
| 19:47.42 | synic | ok |
| 19:48.32 | optikal- | yeah, for my 21st bday. |
| 19:49.02 | synic | is your bday actually on monday? |
| 19:49.23 | optikal- | Sunday, actually. |
| 19:49.37 | macnewbold | karaoke is a funny word... it's japanese, and is really pronounced kah-rah-oh-keh, but in the US they always say it like "kerry-okee" |
| 19:49.51 | optikal- | but, going out at midnight to a bar in Utah is pointless |
| 19:49.56 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:49.59 | optikal- | macnewbold: thanks for that useless fact! heh. |
| 19:50.35 | dw|w | no, karaoke == tone deaf in Japanese. THAT's a useless fact. |
| 19:51.43 | macnewbold | it's about all I'm good for, so I have to use the talent whenever I get the chance ;-D |
| 19:51.45 | macnewbold | :-D |
| 20:10.41 | bigdog_ut | optikal-, i have a wet bar in my house minus the alcohol |
| 20:10.52 | bigdog_ut | and i have a karaoke machine too |
| 20:10.57 | optikal- | woot nice =) |
| 20:11.46 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah...my wife is a big coca-cola fan...so we are looking at running a tap in the house |
| 20:12.05 | bigdog_ut | i just want a blender |
| 20:12.11 | optikal- | haha |
| 20:12.24 | optikal- | coke on the tap would rule.. not as much as say, bud.. but its okay. ;) |
| 20:12.37 | optikal- | and yeah, im a blender master.. i love to blend things up |
| 20:12.39 | bigdog_ut | yeah...imagine the kids having friends over |
| 20:13.15 | bigdog_ut | dude...the neighborhood would be in my house having fun everyday |
| 20:13.52 | optikal- | haha |
| 20:14.15 | bigdog_ut | maybe coca-cola would give my room a make over and install it for me |
| 20:14.21 | optikal- | haha |
| 20:14.31 | tierra | not to say I would enjoy that all that much having to have to watch everyone's kids all the time... |
| 20:14.32 | bigdog_ut | call it "Home improvements that dont suck" |
| 20:14.34 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:14.40 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 20:15.06 | tierra | that would be really cool though |
| 20:15.13 | optikal- | i looked into getting a fountain machine once.. they're pretty pricey, i was disappointed. |
| 20:15.13 | bigdog_ut | i want a tap like one similar too how a&w has in their restaurants |
| 20:15.24 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 20:16.07 | bigdog_ut | but i know that coke will put them in if you carry their product...i had a friend tell me about it when arbys moved to coke instead of rc cola |
| 20:16.31 | optikal- | yeah, but thats commercial.. i doubt they'd do that for residental. |
| 20:16.35 | bigdog_ut | selling the syrup is where they make the hella money |
| 20:17.00 | bigdog_ut | true...but if i pimp the home improvment angle...perhaps it could work |
| 20:17.15 | optikal- | haha. mebbe. |
| 20:17.19 | optikal- | atleast worth a shot. |
| 20:17.28 | bigdog_ut | yeah, they could just say no |
| 20:17.40 | bigdog_ut | but man that would rock |
| 20:18.04 | bigdog_ut | co2 and syrup in the garage...just pumping it into the house |
| 20:18.14 | bigdog_ut | my kids teeth would rot out |
| 20:18.50 | optikal- | hahaha |
| 20:19.12 | optikal- | my uncle works for coke, and he had a fountain line-up at his house.. had like 5 coke products. |
| 20:19.28 | optikal- | was rad.. grab a glass from the cupboard, turn around.. tap for some ice, and then fill'er up with your choice of cola. |
| 20:19.32 | bigdog_ut | oh man...that would rock |
| 20:19.46 | bigdog_ut | even better than a coke machine |
| 20:20.06 | bigdog_ut | i thought about finding a machine and charging the family to use it |
| 20:20.14 | bigdog_ut | keep the money for family vacation |
| 20:20.20 | dw|w | I just want Guinness on tap. |
| 20:20.26 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 20:20.28 | dw|w | that's all my little soul wants out of life. |
| 20:20.38 | optikal- | dw|w: yeah, ive got to try that.. do they have it at Todds? |
| 20:20.49 | dw|w | I don't think so. |
| 20:20.56 | optikal- | i didnt care much for it in the bottle, but i'll try anything on tap. =P |
| 20:20.57 | dw|w | Guinness, unfortunately, seems to be rather scarce in Utah. |
| 20:21.02 | optikal- | aah. |
| 20:21.09 | dw|w | Guinness isn't Guinness in a bottle. |
| 20:21.21 | dw|w | it's Wussness |
| 20:21.44 | optikal- | haha |
| 20:40.48 | bigdog_ut | anyone know if there is a python user group in utah? |
| 20:41.02 | dw|w | Nope, I want to start one though. |
| 20:41.05 | optikal- | I last heard dw complaining that there isnt. |
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| 20:41.34 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: we should collaborate and start one. |
| 20:41.37 | beandog | ;) |
| 20:42.50 | beandog | start what |
| 20:42.58 | beandog | A new PVR written entirely in PHP? |
| 20:43.03 | beandog | I hope |
| 20:43.05 | dw|w | a Utah Python Uer Group. |
| 20:43.10 | dw|w | s/Uer/User |
| 20:43.29 | beandog | Ooh |
| 20:46.28 | beandog | I need to learn python |
| 20:46.32 | beandog | Been meaning to for a while |
| 20:47.06 | dw|w | You should. |
| 20:47.19 | dw|w | It's the greatest gift to programmers since gdb. |
| 20:47.53 | beandog | What's gdb |
| 20:48.04 | dw|w | GNU debugger. |
| 20:48.31 | macnewbold | yeah, it's in line... its going to have to wait until I'm done reading Orson Scott Card's "Shadow of the Giant" |
| 20:48.38 | tierra | and finish reading DNS & BIND |
| 20:48.53 | macnewbold | if you haven't read his Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow series (plural), they're both great |
| 20:49.10 | dw|w | I need to finish reading the personals and find myself a lady. |
| 20:49.16 | tierra | haha |
| 20:49.20 | macnewbold | something happen to Roxie? |
| 20:49.26 | macnewbold | or is that your dog? |
| 20:49.27 | dw|w | no, I just need another one. |
| 20:49.32 | dw|w | Roxie doesn't do the dishes. |
| 20:49.39 | macnewbold | ah, getting back to Utah's roots, huh? |
| 20:49.43 | tierra | ^H |
| 20:50.05 | dw|w | that's right, I might just be converting to LDS so I can have a plural marriage. |
| 20:50.07 | dw|w | ^H |
| 20:50.45 | beandog | Just go live in some obscure town somewhere. |
| 20:50.52 | beandog | Im sure no one would care. |
| 20:51.03 | dw|w | the Mormons banned the coolest stuff about their religion. |
| 20:51.13 | dw|w | beandog: yeah, I think that's what the Mormons thought too. |
| 20:51.34 | beandog | I hear its nice and vacant in the Arctic Circle |
| 20:51.36 | beandog | heh |
| 20:51.38 | dw|w | they had to finally find a deserted desert. |
| 20:51.43 | beandog | Yah |
| 20:51.44 | beandog | True. |
| 20:51.57 | dw|w | hm. |
| 20:52.06 | dw|w | Arctic Circle... |
| 20:52.15 | dw|w | I could get all that seal clubbing I've been meaning to done, at least. |
| 20:52.18 | dw|w | s/done/do |
| 20:52.25 | dw|w | +done |
| 20:54.37 | dw|w | s/do/get |
| 20:54.56 | dw|w | It's this huge monitor's fault. |
| 20:56.06 | dw|w | I was making fun of Elimist for old times sake today |
| 20:56.22 | dw|w | tierra |
| 20:56.57 | tierra | hehe |
| 20:58.03 | tierra | wtf... FreeBSD doesn't have screen?! |
| 20:58.11 | tierra | psh... |
| 20:58.17 | dw|w | <dw|w> mheath, are you aka Elimist? |
| 20:58.17 | dw|w | <mheath> dw|w, haven't used that name in ages, but yes. Who are you? |
| 20:58.17 | dw|w | <dw|w> hahahaha. |
| 20:58.17 | dw|w | * dw|w falls out of his chair laughing. |
| 20:58.17 | dw|w | <mheath> dw|w, who are you? |
| 20:59.15 | dw|w | tierra: ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-3-stable/misc/screen-3.9.8.tgz |
| 20:59.21 | dw|w | ? |
| 20:59.28 | tierra | that works |
| 20:59.45 | tierra | I'm working on a fairly stipped down copy of FreeBSD |
| 20:59.45 | dw|w | what version of screen are you running on ibaku? |
| 21:00.05 | tierra | Screen version 4.00.02 (FAU) 5-Dec-03 |
| 21:00.19 | dw|w | kthnx |
| 21:11.52 | synic | who is Elimist and why is it funny that mheath is he? |
| 21:12.10 | dw|w | guy who used to be in #ut2600 until we ran him out. |
| 21:12.20 | dw|w | qdb.zzq.org search for Elimist. |
| 21:13.46 | synic | ok |
| 21:14.09 | dw|w | better have some reading time. |
| 21:15.01 | dw|w | you can't argue with him, he doesn't know what he's talking about. |
| 21:15.11 | dw|w | so you just make fun of him relentlessly. |
| 21:15.12 | bigdog_ut | if it aint (*bsd, gentoo, debian) then spit it out |
| 21:15.28 | dw|w | -gentoo and you're on your way to being a man. |
| 21:15.51 | beandog | Sweet. |
| 21:15.53 | bigdog_ut | gentoo is the pure essence of manliness |
| 21:16.04 | synic | dw|w: hoary out on Friday, right? |
| 21:16.21 | dw|w | no, no, it's the pure essence of every prepubescent who watches Fast and the Furious and wants to virtually emulate them. |
| 21:16.24 | dw|w | synic: correct. |
| 21:16.29 | dw|w | already dist-upgraded. |
| 21:16.34 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, that is ubuntu bro |
| 21:16.36 | synic | groovy. |
| 21:16.55 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: don't hate, brotha. You know Ubuntu is the best desktop OS EVAR!!!1! |
| 21:17.12 | bigdog_ut | it is like this: mandrake (redhat) -> ubuntu -> *bsd -> gentoo |
| 21:17.38 | dw|w | pfft. |
| 21:17.40 | dw|w | no, no. |
| 21:17.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:17.56 | dw|w | Mandrake/Red Hat/Suse -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu -> BSD -> Debian |
| 21:17.58 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, when we starting our python user group |
| 21:18.11 | dw|w | I dunno, I can start working on a website tonight. |
| 21:18.26 | dw|w | find somebody with some mad graphics skills to make us a logo. |
| 21:18.31 | bigdog_ut | we should...but we need to meet in the north...like slc or north sld |
| 21:18.33 | bigdog_ut | slc |
| 21:18.34 | synic | dw|w: lol... the poor kid |
| 21:18.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah...dude if we have a killer logo they will come |
| 21:18.53 | synic | not quite as retarded as Bampf,though |
| 21:18.55 | bigdog_ut | ~slap wps |
| 21:18.57 | jbot | ACTION slaps wps, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:19.07 | bigdog_ut | ~wake wps |
| 21:19.09 | jbot | wps: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 21:19.13 | dw|w | it's all about the logo. |
| 21:19.20 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 21:19.21 | wps | I think I have food poisoning |
| 21:19.25 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:19.25 | wps | :( |
| 21:19.37 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, what would be really killer is a security user group |
| 21:19.38 | dw|w | synic: well, Bamf at least is coherent most of the time. In an annoying, moralistic way, but still semi coherent. |
| 21:20.03 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: yeah, without the crap that comes along with being a 2600 group |
| 21:20.06 | synic | dw|w: I dunno if xilch and I would agree there |
| 21:20.33 | synic | dw|w: every time we read some of his comebacks, we were like "huh?" |
| 21:20.49 | synic | "does this guy even know where he lives?" |
| 21:21.00 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, yeah and meet somewhere other than the mall |
| 21:21.08 | dw|w | synic: well, that's true. |
| 21:21.16 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: good point. |
| 21:21.34 | dw|w | Conference rooms in the library? they offer those out ? |
| 21:21.55 | bigdog_ut | yes they do |
| 21:22.03 | bigdog_ut | atleast in layton i use them alot |
| 21:22.18 | bigdog_ut | very convenient for small groups |
| 21:22.27 | dw|w | I doubt if you'd have huge attendance. |
| 21:22.44 | bigdog_ut | for security or python? |
| 21:23.06 | dw|w | I say we go with Python. |
| 21:23.11 | dw|w | Security is an enormous subject. |
| 21:23.34 | bigdog_ut | yeah...python is nice and many can get into it |
| 21:23.36 | macnewbold | bigdog_ut: do they charge $ to use them? |
| 21:23.56 | bigdog_ut | not at the public library...they do have time requirements i know that |
| 21:24.13 | synic | oh, woot. A programmer's user group that's close |
| 21:24.16 | bigdog_ut | but i have gotten ones for 2 hours |
| 21:24.22 | bigdog_ut | yeah |
| 21:24.31 | optikal- | hehe |
| 21:24.35 | bigdog_ut | i would love it in slc or layton or ogden |
| 21:24.47 | dw|w | downtown SLC would be easiest for me, I know that. |
| 21:24.58 | synic | Ogden != close |
| 21:24.59 | bigdog_ut | bountiful would be good |
| 21:25.05 | dw|w | I don't know these places. |
| 21:25.16 | synic | layton ~= close |
| 21:25.19 | dw|w | I just want a meeting I can walk to that isn't always gay and fart jokes. |
| 21:25.46 | bigdog_ut | i just wish that after the meeting we had open discussion |
| 21:25.58 | dw|w | definitely. |
| 21:26.03 | bigdog_ut | many leave after uphpu and i dont get too much time to talk |
| 21:26.21 | bigdog_ut | i talk with a few after but many need to drive home |
| 21:26.41 | bigdog_ut | i want to talk for a while...dude and have some coding session would be kiler |
| 21:26.43 | bigdog_ut | killer |
| 21:27.18 | dw|w | that would be AWESOME |
| 21:28.30 | bigdog_ut | that is one thing i dont like about the presentations is that we dont have any coding time after to really solidify what has been taught |
| 21:29.05 | dw|w | that's a great idea. |
| 21:30.06 | bigdog_ut | i was thinking about it this week for my presentation...doing some walk throughs and letting everyone get some coding in |
| 21:30.34 | bigdog_ut | just talking is okay (presentation), but i want the workshop type experience |
| 21:30.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah the "BigDog Experience" |
| 21:30.48 | dw|w | probably not going to make it. |
| 21:30.54 | bigdog_ut | oh man |
| 21:30.58 | bigdog_ut | i got some new books |
| 21:31.04 | dw|w | which ones? |
| 21:31.13 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, some linux ones and an email one |
| 21:31.22 | bigdog_ut | dw|w, did you get the one from oreilly? |
| 21:31.38 | dw|w | not yet. |
| 21:31.50 | bigdog_ut | really...how many days has it been? |
| 21:31.58 | bigdog_ut | i though it has been a week |
| 21:32.12 | tierra | ogden is too far for me... and I live pretty close to downtown slc and work in bountiful |
| 21:32.22 | tierra | Layton is cutting it |
| 21:32.38 | bigdog_ut | i think if we could get north slc that would be killer |
| 21:32.38 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: 8 days, I believe. |
| 21:32.47 | bigdog_ut | man...i thought you would have it today |
| 21:32.52 | bigdog_ut | or by now |
| 21:33.01 | dw|w | might have it today, I'll see when I get home. |
| 21:33.30 | bigdog_ut | yeah...i got a box of books yesterday |
| 21:33.41 | bigdog_ut | so linux garage one from addison wesley |
| 21:34.07 | bigdog_ut | and a killer linux one that has everything we have been discussing the last few weeks |
| 21:34.31 | bigdog_ut | sys admin, email systems, raids, user management...that looks really good |
| 21:34.39 | dw|w | hm, what's the title / publisher? |
| 21:34.45 | bigdog_ut | which one? |
| 21:35.05 | dw|w | killer linux one. |
| 21:35.11 | bigdog_ut | let me check |
| 21:39.14 | bigdog_ut | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131494198/qid=1112823535/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-7415836-3777769?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 |
| 21:39.17 | bigdog_ut | that is the first one |
| 21:39.59 | bigdog_ut | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0131861506/qid=1112823587/sr=1-10/ref=sr_1_10/102-7415836-3777769?v=glance&s=books |
| 21:40.03 | bigdog_ut | there it is |
| 21:40.23 | optikal- | that linux garage one looks interesting |
| 21:40.46 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is a nice one...i also have the php-nuke garage one that is in the series |
| 21:41.01 | optikal- | nice |
| 21:41.26 | bigdog_ut | so ill have those 2 |
| 21:41.55 | dw|w | I need to find a good book on Tru64. |
| 21:42.39 | optikal- | nice. |
| 21:43.14 | bigdog_ut | http://vig.prenhall.com/catalog/academic/product/0,1144,0131861506,00.html |
| 21:44.50 | bigdog_ut | dw|w -> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1555582559/todaysdeals-20/todaysdeals-20/102-4118262-8560167 |
| 21:46.07 | dw|w | word. |
| 21:47.58 | optikal- | bigdog_ut: what do i need to do to get my hands on that linux garage book? |
| 21:48.21 | dw|w | get on your knees, that'd be a start. |
| 21:48.23 | bigdog_ut | come to the meeting...put your hand on your head and spin around for me |
| 21:48.42 | bigdog_ut | optikal-, it is yours bro...just be there or i give it away |
| 21:48.53 | bigdog_ut | or you can pick it up from me |
| 21:49.01 | optikal- | where are you? |
| 21:49.10 | bigdog_ut | layton, clearfield |
| 21:49.14 | bigdog_ut | kaysville |
| 21:51.47 | bigdog_ut | are u close optikal-? |
| 21:52.06 | optikal- | uhm, Bountiful/Woods Cross |
| 21:52.25 | bigdog_ut | okay so not that far comparied to driving to draper for the meeting |
| 21:52.29 | bigdog_ut | though you should come |
| 21:52.45 | optikal- | whens the next meetin? |
| 21:52.50 | bigdog_ut | the 19th |
| 21:52.55 | optikal- | i may just be there. |
| 21:53.17 | bigdog_ut | that is cool...or if u want you can pick it up from me...either way i will have it for you |
| 21:54.32 | optikal- | ill figure it out. =) |
| 21:54.39 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 22:01.08 | synic | bleh, I need to ween myself off of perl for sysadmin stuff |
| 22:01.11 | macnewbold | the UPHPU meeting on the 19th? or a different meeting? |
| 22:01.26 | bigdog_ut | uphpu |
| 22:03.44 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:03.49 | macnewbold | it will be good |
| 22:03.49 | macnewbold | :) |
| 22:11.20 | dw|w | synic: bash! |
| 22:11.39 | bigdog_ut | or korn, or csh, or zsh, or bsh |
| 22:11.39 | dw|w | and if bash can't do it, Python can. |
| 22:11.49 | dw|w | bigdog_ut: NO. Only bash. |
| 22:11.50 | synic | lol, I never learned bash. I knew perl, so there was no good reason to. |
| 22:11.50 | dw|w | kthnx. |
| 22:11.58 | synic | more systems have perl installed than bash |
| 22:12.03 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:12.11 | bigdog_ut | yah if you are on something other than linux |
| 22:12.15 | dw|w | ha. Our ES40 has bash, but not perl. |
| 22:12.24 | dw|w | ha again. |
| 22:12.33 | dw|w | our ES40 runs Tru64 |
| 22:12.37 | bigdog_ut | my sunblade has bash and no perl |
| 22:12.54 | dw|w | bash == less overhead anyways. |
| 22:13.02 | dw|w | installing bash is easy on nearly any system. |
| 22:13.06 | dw|w | Perl can be a bit harder on some. |
| 22:13.18 | dw|w | Plus, it's Perl. |
| 22:13.31 | dw|w | it's not cool anymore. |
| 22:13.57 | synic | bigdog_ut: weird, at propeller the sun boxes had perl and no bash |
| 22:14.22 | bigdog_ut | perphaps that is the install they did |
| 22:14.28 | synic | well... for like the 10 minutes it took me to install bash |
| 22:14.33 | synic | 'cause ksh was driving me batty. |
| 22:14.34 | bigdog_ut | i have to grab the perl packages for solaris |
| 22:15.58 | bigdog_ut | vmware rocks |
| 22:16.21 | tierra | this freebsd machine is giving me a headache... the only editor installed is vi, and this csh is a bitch |
| 22:16.38 | bigdog_ut | lol vi rocks |
| 22:17.09 | optikal- | ^^ |
| 22:17.13 | dw|w | word |
| 22:17.14 | optikal- | its my editor of choice. |
| 22:17.14 | tierra | not when your used to emacs... I can deal with vim too, but this default behaviour of vi is really messing me up |
| 22:17.30 | bigdog_ut | going back to perl and bash thing |
| 22:17.38 | bigdog_ut | vi is always installed on boxes |
| 22:17.43 | dw|w | that's right. |
| 22:17.49 | optikal- | thats why i learned it |
| 22:17.57 | dw|w | course, going back to vi after using vim can be a PITA. |
| 22:18.02 | optikal- | hehe |
| 22:18.04 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 22:18.06 | dw|w | as I learned on our ES40. |
| 22:18.14 | bigdog_ut | especially when you using visula |
| 22:18.16 | bigdog_ut | visual |
| 22:18.38 | tierra | I wouldn't be complaining, but it's not working the same as vi and vim on all the linux boxes I've used it on... it's doing something completely different |
| 22:18.39 | dw|w | word |
| 22:18.52 | dw|w | tierra: no, you're doing something completely different: using a good OS. |
| 22:18.59 | tierra | haha |
| 22:19.05 | dw|w | ;) |
| 22:20.11 | tierra | it's taking me forever to work on one line of code, I keep screwing it up, and trying to go back and edit it, and then screwing it up even more |
| 22:20.43 | dw|w | ahhhh, FreeBSD you said? |
| 22:20.50 | tierra | backspace is non-existant, and delete key capitalizes the character I'm on before it starts deleting |
| 22:20.54 | tierra | yeah |
| 22:21.00 | dw|w | I know what the problem is. |
| 22:21.23 | tierra | PEBCAK |
| 22:21.26 | tierra | I know |
| 22:21.30 | dw|w | haha, no. |
| 22:21.41 | dw|w | see, Gentoo doesn't have a GD. |
| 22:21.44 | dw|w | FreeBSD does. |
| 22:21.57 | tierra | you can't use that here |
| 22:22.06 | dw|w | I just did. |
| 22:22.30 | tierra | no, because I will let off a cuss word in reply, I'm this close to doing so already |
| 22:22.51 | dw|w | that's why I did it here. |
| 22:23.17 | dw|w | sucker |
| 22:23.32 | tierra | I almost did the last 7-8 lines... I've been holding back really good up to this point |
| 22:23.40 | dw|w | I know, it's awesome |
| 22:23.58 | dw|w | I can feel your frustration heating up my face through the internet |
| 22:24.02 | tierra | haha |
| 22:24.11 | *** part/#uphpu jsmith (~jsmith2@64.50.35.114.2O7.net) |
| 22:24.29 | dw|w | ok, I'm out. |
| 22:24.37 | tierra | later |
| 22:26.01 | tierra | oops, I just realized I messed up the very first line I said |
| 22:29.30 | tierra | I'm going to kill someone or something if I keep trying to use vi... |
| 22:29.39 | tierra | this is rediculous |
| 22:32.11 | tierra | and I thought vim was bad |
| 22:33.37 | optikal- | hehe |
| 22:33.50 | optikal- | i love that people hate vi. |
| 22:34.20 | tierra | WTF?! Why in the ____ do they assign keyboard shortcuts in alphabetical order?!!!! |
| 22:34.54 | bigdog_ut | lol...to make you mad |
| 22:35.55 | optikal- | haha |
| 22:36.14 | tierra | was vi orginally designed for a Dvorak keyboard layout or something? |
| 22:36.23 | optikal- | hmm, no idea really. |
| 22:36.40 | bigdog_ut | probably |
| 22:37.45 | tierra | nevermind, these shortcuts still don't make sense even on a Dvorak layout |
| 22:38.05 | tierra | it's like, pure random keyboard shortcut selection... |
| 22:38.21 | tierra | except it's in alphabetical order... |
| 22:38.32 | tierra | ^D scroll down by half screens (setting count) |
| 22:38.32 | tierra | ^E scroll down by lines |
| 22:38.32 | tierra | ^F scroll down by screens |
| 22:40.02 | tierra | screw this... I'm doing all my editing on another machine and using SCP |
| 23:17.13 | *** join/#uphpu scottj (~scott@128.187.246.184) |
| 23:18.04 | scottj | what do you guys think is better, php|tropic or zend php conference? |
| 23:23.58 | macnewbold | where's php|tropic held? |
| 23:25.01 | scottj | cancun |
| 23:25.22 | scottj | so yeah, location wise, obviously php|tropic, but I'm wondering overall (quality of instruction ) |
| 23:27.17 | macnewbold | I've never been to either, nor heard about quality... but cancun vs San Fran isn't too hard of a decision |