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| 02:22.38 | CapnKernel | oops :-! |
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| 07:15.38 | CIA-46 | 03jacmet 07master * r8e29430410f3 10buildroot/ (Makefile package/config/Makefile): Makefile: fixup make distclean after kconfig build in BUILD_DIR |
| 07:19.05 | melchior | i've a user "User" on my system and i'm using busybox, is possible and what to do for the system system automatically log into this user account at startup ? |
| 07:30.45 | Jacmet | kos_tom: hi |
| 07:31.06 | kos_tom | Jacmet: hello! Do you have some news about the wiki ? |
| 07:31.18 | Jacmet | kos_tom: wiki? ehh, no |
| 07:31.33 | Jacmet | kos_tom: did we decide to get one installed? |
| 07:32.00 | kos_tom | Jacmet: ah, I thought we agreed to try, but it seems the agreement wasn't so clear :-) |
| 07:32.04 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I'll need to check with the osuosl guys about it, the VM is quite limited ressource wise |
| 07:32.26 | Jacmet | kos_tom: what wiki would you prefer? |
| 07:33.02 | kos_tom | Jacmet: the MediaWiki thing seems to be the most widely used one. |
| 07:33.02 | Jacmet | kos_tom: there's afaik no php or similar on the VM |
| 07:33.17 | kos_tom | Jacmet: ah, a Wiki without PHP is hardly doable. |
| 07:33.44 | Jacmet | kos_tom: we've been using moinmoin in the past |
| 07:33.48 | Jacmet | which is python based |
| 07:35.02 | kos_tom | is it a nice wiki ? |
| 07:35.15 | Jacmet | kos_tom: but ok, python or php probably doesn't matter much |
| 07:35.22 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I find it ok |
| 07:35.45 | kos_tom | I think people in general are more familiar with MediaWiki, which is very popular/widely used. |
| 07:36.35 | Jacmet | kos_tom: maybe the best solution is to install the wiki somewhere else while testing and point wiki.buildroot.(net|org) at it |
| 07:38.05 | Jacmet | kos_tom: does mediawiki require a mysql/postgresql database? |
| 07:38.49 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yes, MySQL. If you don't want a database, there's also dokuwiki which is OK. |
| 07:39.24 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yes, installation in wiki.buildroot.org sounds a good idea to me. We'll see what we manage to do with it, and if it works, migrate it to buildroot.org. |
| 07:40.19 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ok, sounds good |
| 07:46.08 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I had some comments on your ext-toolchain 02/10 regarding your sysroot handling - Have you had a chance to look at that? |
| 07:47.30 | kos_tom | Jacmet: I have seen your comment, but I didn't had the time to look at that, unfortunately. |
| 07:48.00 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ok - no problem, I just think you and Yann agreed I should merge your series before his |
| 07:48.13 | Jacmet | kos_tom: did you write a proposal for ELCE? |
| 07:48.31 | kos_tom | Jacmet: nope, in the end I decided that I didn't had anything interesting enough to present. |
| 07:50.21 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ok, that's a pity - It sounded interesting to me |
| 07:50.32 | Jacmet | kos_tom: are you involved with the ubifs work from CELF? |
| 07:55.44 | CapnKernel | Hello. My buildroot (2010.05) sometimes fails in the X install with this: cannot create regular file `/data/home/mjd/src/buildroot/output/staging/usr/include/xorg/bstorestr.h': File exists |
| 07:56.10 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: only sometimes? |
| 07:56.10 | CapnKernel | This is in "xserver_xorg-server 1.7.5 'Installing to staging directory'" |
| 07:56.20 | CapnKernel | Only sometimes. Maybe it's a -j race condition. |
| 07:56.28 | CapnKernel | If I re-run make, it goes away. |
| 07:56.43 | CapnKernel | (perhaps, don't quote me on that) |
| 07:57.30 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: hmm, it shouldn't be, we use make -j1 for xserver install |
| 07:57.58 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: that was a fix shortly before 2010.05 |
| 07:58.09 | CapnKernel | My JLEVEL is 6, and I don't separately supply any -j. |
| 07:58.21 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: good, you shouldn't |
| 07:58.39 | CapnKernel | Looking, yes, it seems it's a race: http://fpaste.org/HwyE/ |
| 07:58.55 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: if you scroll up you should see make -j1 DESTDIR=....output/staging install |
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| 08:00.04 | CapnKernel | Unfortunately it seems to have -j6: http://pastebin.org/369705 |
| 08:00.26 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: argh, I see the problem |
| 08:00.31 | CapnKernel | I kicked off this build with "make -C buildroot" |
| 08:00.39 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: I fat-fingered it |
| 08:00.53 | CapnKernel | It happens :-) |
| 08:01.12 | CapnKernel | Slipped a patch? |
| 08:01.30 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: if you change xserver_xorg-server.mk to have XSERVER_XORG_SERVER_MAKE = $(MAKE1) instead of XSERVER_XORG_XSERVER_MAKE (notice the extra X) it should work |
| 08:03.40 | CIA-46 | 03jacmet 07master * r09b36fc0644b 10buildroot/ (2 files in 2 dirs): xserver_xorg-server: fix _MAKE typo |
| 08:03.46 | kos_tom | Jacmet: no, I'm not involved in the UBIFS work from CELF. |
| 08:04.02 | kos_tom | Jacmet: currently, I'm working almost full-time for TI, to do some OMAP Power Management stuff in the kernel. |
| 08:04.44 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ok |
| 08:05.18 | CapnKernel | Jacmet: Thank you thank you! |
| 08:05.35 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: you're welcome, thanks for reporting it |
| 08:05.43 | CapnKernel | You guys amaze me. |
| 08:07.03 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: that's just the kind of guys we are ;) |
| 08:07.18 | CapnKernel | ROFLs |
| 08:15.35 | CapnKernel | Odd: It seems there's a difference between "make -C buildroot" and "cd buildroot; make". |
| 08:18.54 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: hmm, there shouldn't be according to the make documentation |
| 08:19.22 | CapnKernel | I agree. |
| 08:19.33 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: what difference do you see? |
| 08:19.44 | CapnKernel | I'll try to isolate it now. |
| 08:20.50 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: thanks |
| 08:22.37 | CapnKernel | Ok, I have reproduced it: http://pastebin.org/369748 |
| 08:23.41 | CapnKernel | Basically, I do two runs. Before both runs, I zap output/build/xdriver_xf86-video-geode-2.11.8 (but I don't think it's caused by this package; rather, it just gives make, and pkg_config, something to do). The difference between the runs is "make -C buildroot" vs "cd buildroot; make". |
| 08:25.19 | CapnKernel | Line 241 is the start of the second build. |
| 08:25.46 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: and /home is a symlink to /data/home? |
| 08:26.03 | CapnKernel | I think so. |
| 08:26.10 | CapnKernel | Lines 261 and 262 look important. |
| 08:26.24 | CapnKernel | Yes re your symlink question. |
| 08:27.05 | kos_tom | it complains because the value of CC, CFLAGS, etc. has changed. |
| 08:27.25 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: it seems like make resolves the path on make -C |
| 08:27.32 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: E.G. line 5 |
| 08:28.14 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: you're in /home/mjd/src and do a make -C buildroot, which makes make cd /data/home/mjd/src/buildroot |
| 08:28.36 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: which invalidates the paths in the configure cache |
| 08:28.47 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: so this is basically a make issue |
| 08:29.10 | CapnKernel | Yes. We thought there shouldn't be a difference, but apparently there is. |
| 08:29.24 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: that only triggers if you use the configure cache, build partly with -C and without and your buildroot tree path contains symlinks |
| 08:29.43 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: I'm afraid we cannot do much about that |
| 08:30.09 | CapnKernel | I agree. Not worth the time if it takes all three to reproduce (although configure cache is now the default) |
| 08:30.44 | Jacmet | CapnKernel: yes, because of the build time speedup |
| 08:31.21 | Jacmet | kos_tom: when are you planning on going/leaving from Cambridge? Mon->Sat? |
| 08:31.43 | CapnKernel | Noted. Thanks! |
| 08:32.11 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yes. |
| 08:34.15 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ok, arranged hotel already? |
| 08:34.52 | kos_tom | Jacmet: no, not yet, so if you find some good stuff, let me know. |
| 08:35.00 | kos_tom | I suppose you're going by train, right ? |
| 08:35.30 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I don't know yet - I got my boss to pay, which means it has to go though the corporate booking stuff |
| 08:35.41 | Jacmet | kos_tom: but I'll see what they come up with |
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| 08:39.42 | kos_tom | Jacmet: hum, ok. I also go through the corporate booking stuff, but it's actually me :-) |
| 08:41.54 | Jacmet | kos_tom: yeah, the joys of working at a "big" company |
| 08:42.37 | Jacmet | kos_tom: you have to fill in a request, and it needs to get approved (by several people) - Once approved the travel agency will propose several options and you need to decide within a limited amount of hours |
| 08:48.42 | CapnKernel | Usually the travel agent suggests options, the cheapest of which is still far more expensive than if you organised it yourself. Such is the magic of corporate travel agencies... |
| 09:13.17 | kos_tom | CapnKernel: I thought so, but I recently had to use the TI travel agent, and it found a plane ticket that was exactly the cheapest price you could find by yourself, and then even had discount on hotels you couldn't find. |
| 09:17.07 | CapnKernel | My times have changed! (I used to work for HP) |
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| 09:30.23 | henux | hi |
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| 12:52.24 | Jacmet | kos_tom: train it is |
| 12:54.28 | kos_tom | Jacmet: ok. I'll probably be flying. Not sure to which airport, though. |
| 12:54.43 | Jacmet | kos_tom: well, you're also a bit further away ;) |
| 12:54.57 | Jacmet | kos_tom: stansted is afaik the nearest |
| 12:55.35 | kos_tom | yeah, but they are no flights between Toulouse and Stansted. |
| 12:55.54 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ahh |
| 12:57.16 | kos_tom | so I'll either go to Heathrow or Gatwick and take the train, or I'll go to Carcasonne by train (1h from Toulouse), from which Ryanair has cheap flights to Stansted. |
| 12:59.14 | dj-death | are you talking about elce ? |
| 12:59.43 | kos_tom | yep. Do you plan to come ? |
| 12:59.51 | kos_tom | if so, can you stay on Friday for the Buildroot Developer Day ? |
| 12:59.52 | dj-death | yes |
| 13:00.06 | dj-death | yes again |
| 13:00.30 | kos_tom | aah, great. Unless I missed it, I don't think you answered my e-mail about this on the list, did you ? |
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| 13:01.14 | dj-death | I wasn't sure at the time you sent it |
| 13:01.31 | Jacmet | kos_tom: london->cambridge is afaik also around 1h |
| 13:01.41 | Jacmet | dj-death: great |
| 13:02.39 | kos_tom | Jacmet: it depends on the airport. Seems that from Gatwick or Heathrow, it's more ~2h. |
| 13:02.48 | kos_tom | dj-death: ok, glad to know you're coming. |
| 13:03.04 | Jacmet | kos_tom: ahh, yes |
| 13:04.54 | dj-death | beware, sometimes the train from paris -> london spends up to 17h in the tunnel ;) |
| 13:05.28 | Jacmet | dj-death: ;) |
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| 15:46.08 | kos_tom | Jacmet: I'm not sure I like how the "allow packages to override download step" has been implemented. |
| 15:47.01 | x-fak | what about adding -d, --differences[=cumulative] switch to watch command? |
| 15:48.11 | powerpc | maybe better add -R -i and -s support to les (as man requires it, and without -R there're no correctly parsed escape sequs) |
| 15:48.15 | powerpc | s/les/less/ |
| 15:59.09 | kos_tom | Jacmet: for this kind of patch, I think it would be nice to discuss them on the list beforehand. |
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| 16:49.07 | kos_tom | those of you working on the kernel, what source indexing tool are you using ? I started using cscope in emacs, but it's damn slow. |
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| 17:05.06 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I had the feeling you would say something like that ;) |
| 17:05.18 | kos_tom | Jacmet: sorry :-) |
| 17:05.36 | Jacmet | kos_tom: git grep or ctags |
| 17:05.49 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I agree that it isn't very nice |
| 17:05.59 | Jacmet | kos_tom: (the download override) |
| 17:06.14 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yeah, I'm grepping a lot too, but when you've got a totally new pile of code where things are cross-referenced in quite crazy ways, it becomes a bit limited. |
| 17:06.37 | Jacmet | kos_tom: true |
| 17:06.38 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yeah, I think I'll try to implement something better (that at least I find better, we'll see if you like it) |
| 17:08.00 | Jacmet | kos_tom: please do - this was just a quick fix for the obvious brokenness of the tremor package |
| 17:08.36 | kos_tom | Jacmet: in addition, you're not only overriding the download step, but also the extraction step. |
| 17:09.02 | kos_tom | I'm not even sure how it can work with the .stamp_extracted step |
| 17:09.58 | Jacmet | kos_tom: no, I'm only overriding the download step |
| 17:10.08 | Jacmet | kos_tom: the extract step is just like normal |
| 17:10.34 | kos_tom | Jacmet: aah, your download step rebuilds a tarball |
| 17:10.45 | kos_tom | aah, yes, it's a bit ugly :) |
| 17:12.07 | Jacmet | kos_tom: yes, it creates a tarball, just like the tremor package has always done |
| 17:12.30 | Jacmet | kos_tom: I think that's pretty ok, as it then behaves quite like the normal tarballs |
| 17:13.12 | Chipsaru | Hi. I need help. I have arm machine based on uClibc (DLink DNS-323) and I want to compile uClibc 0.9.31 for that device with locale support. When I'm trying to compile it on this device with locale support - uClibc wants locale utility from glibc (which is not installed and I can't compile it). What should I do? I'm not a hardcore linuxman. |
| 17:14.43 | kos_tom | Jacmet: yes, it works. |
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