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23:44.04 | freezi | can someone please help me understand what nls/iconv in uclibc does? is it required for someone in china to use the system? |
23:46.17 | jbit | iconv is for character set conversion, and is required by alot of applications to handle non-system character sets |
23:46.39 | jbit | for example displaying unicode on a non-unicode system, or utf16 on a utf8 system |
23:46.55 | jbit | nls is more to do with locale stuff (string translation) |
23:47.18 | jbit | somebody in china would definatly appreciate both ;) |
23:48.02 | jbit | but english speakers in america/europe would also appreciate them for certain things (depending what your system does) |
23:53.17 | freezi | hmm does it affect everything? how was i able to see chinese text in firefox on a box using uclibc with no nls or iconv? |
23:54.37 | jbit | nls has nothign to do with the ability to do non-english text, its more about application text |
23:54.44 | jbit | and iconv is only needed for conversion |
23:55.03 | jbit | (and i think firefox may have built in character conversion routines) |
23:55.58 | jbit | iconv will be needed if you want to read a big5 text file on a utf8 system |
23:56.02 | freezi | application text? like coding with a chinese machine and compiling? |
23:56.24 | jbit | like having the menus in chinese, and the error messages in chinese |
23:56.45 | freezi | what will a chinaman see if i don't use uclibc iconv? |
23:57.14 | jbit | it depends on the applicaiton and system setup, if everything they do is in utf8 itll be fine for them |
23:57.32 | jbit | but without nls all the user interface will be in english |
23:57.51 | jbit | which may not be ideal |
23:58.57 | freezi | so if all the apps use utf8 for input/output iconv doesn't matter, and nls is for telling the apps what strings to display? |
23:59.02 | jbit | freezi: something like that |
23:59.14 | jbit | but if they want to read a BIG5 file, then having iconv might be a good idea |
23:59.29 | freezi | i don't even know what BIG5 is :) |
23:59.31 | jbit | if your system is for a closed-world environment where no external files will get in, then itll be okay |
23:59.38 | jbit | freezi: big5 is an old chinese character set |
23:59.54 | jbit | it was used (and probably still is used) by windows for chinese text |