IRC log for #ubuntu-utah on 20071116

00:03.09Zelutit was in the email announcement
00:09.36mheathHmm
00:09.45mheathCan anyone point me to a tutorial on getting used to Vim?
00:09.50mheathI haven't used it much before...
00:11.25Zelutmy blog has some tips..
00:12.18mheathwell, I'm looking for just an overview of common keystrokes / commands...
00:12.33mheathAnd maybe a tutorial on how to get something like syntax highlighting set up
00:16.06mheathZelut: any links to relative bits?
00:20.17Zeluthttp://vimtips.org
00:20.58ZelutI actually think the pocket guide to vi by O'Reilly is really good.. might be able to find snippets online.
00:41.48sontekmheath: install vitutor
00:49.23synicmheath: my advice... go cold turkey.  You'll be editing fine in a day, and comfortable in a week or two.
00:49.59synicand after that... MAD HAXXOR!
00:50.01synicheh
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01:21.05maquismheath: play nethack
01:21.17maquisafter you've played nethack for a while, the hjkl movement is quite natural
01:21.31maquisaside from that, i agre with going cold-turkey
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01:54.28goozbachlock yourself in the room with NOTHING but vimtutor running
01:54.46goozbachhere's the advice I gave to nick123 on #utah:
01:54.55goozbachnick125: turn of the TV, IRC, CounterStrike, your phone, everything, open up a single terminal and run vimtutor
01:55.04goozbach45mins later if you still think vim sucks, you are welcome to continue using nano
01:55.13goozbachyou must complete vimtutor, and then I won't bother you about it.
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02:44.34tgelterhey all. does anyone know of a command-line torrent client that supports selecting portions of a torrent to download?
03:24.55Heartsbanethanx for sticking around for a answer
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05:30.01Zelutanyone familiar with gconftool-2 ?
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06:46.03Claud-Ubuntuwell.... i'm 7.10 I think.....
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07:21.40findlayClaud-Ubuntu: `cat /etc/*release*`
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07:35.23Claud-UbuntuDISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
07:35.23Claud-UbuntuDISTRIB_RELEASE=7.10
07:35.23Claud-UbuntuDISTRIB_CODENAME=gutsy
07:35.23Claud-UbuntuDISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 7.10"
07:35.36Claud-Ubuntuyuppers....   thx findlay! :)
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15:25.21atoponcefindlay: /etc/*release* doesn't exist on debian, as odd as that is. does it on gentoo?
15:25.28atoponcedebian sid, i should say
15:26.08atoponcei wonder if it exists on sarge
15:43.10synicatoponce: /etc/debian_version
15:44.00atoponcelame
15:44.04atoponcesynic: thx
15:45.44Yorokobiatoponce, ping
15:46.54atoponceYorokobi: pong
15:47.07Yorokobiatoponce, you're still using 6.06.1, yes?
15:47.12atoponceyes
15:47.15atoponcefor my server
15:47.39YorokobiAre you getting a 403-Forbidden when you try to update today from the security repo?
15:47.49atoponcenot sure. lemme check
15:48.57atoponcefor samba? yes
15:49.06Yorokobiokay
15:49.15YorokobiGlad it isn't just me :)
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17:27.00maquisattention span and motivation have completely disappeared
17:27.40findlay-wmaquis: I stole them
17:29.11maquisfindlay-w: i think my manager would appreciate it if you'd give those back to me
18:05.15maquismmm... nethack
18:10.45herlo~lart nethack
18:10.45jbotgives nethack an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending nethack to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple
18:12.56findlay-wnethack with dwarfs!
18:22.38maquisand sleeping potions
18:22.51maquisonly... after sleeping, you're probably dead
18:22.54maquisDYWYPI?
18:23.17Yorokobi~wtf is DYWYPI
18:23.23Yorokobi~wtf  DYWYPI
18:23.33maquisYorokobi: short for "do you want your possessions identified?"
18:23.40Yorokobiah
18:32.41maquis"You die.  Do you want your possessions identifed? (y/N)
18:32.43maquis"
18:32.50maquisthat's the typical end of a nethack game
19:10.51maquis~seen redbeard2
19:10.54jbotredbeard2 <n=route@class1-nat.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utos, 1d 1h 58m 33s ago, saying: 'er. hey, herlo!'.
19:16.47maquis~onjoin redbeard2 ping maquis
19:16.47jbotmaquis: ok
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20:39.10maquishey!
20:39.19maquis~trout atoponce
20:39.20jbotACTION slaps atoponce around a bit with a large trout!
20:39.47atoponcefish fight!
20:39.57atoponce~whaleslap maquis
20:39.58jbotACTION beats maquis upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
20:40.10maquis~whaleparry atoponce
20:40.10jbotACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry atoponce's attacks.
20:40.36atoponce~whalepoop maquis
20:40.37jbotACTION catapults a truckload of whale poop from a freakishly large killer whale named Hugh at maquis
20:41.37atoponce~yellow maquis
20:43.25atoponcewhat to do, what to do
20:44.25Heartsbanewell bring a book
20:44.40atoponceso, yeah. i just finished teaching my class about 2 hours ago, and had the students fill out the survey about the class
20:44.41HeartsbaneManchester, New Hampshire???
20:44.45atoponceHeartsbane: yeah
20:44.48Heartsbanecool
20:44.57atoponcei get a following comment:
20:45.26atoponce"Aaron is a great instructor, however, his hostility towards Microsoft distracts from the learning experience"
20:45.39HeartsbaneROFL, good on you.
20:45.43atoponcei was never "hostile"
20:45.43kkubasikhahahaha
20:46.23Heartsbaneatoponce: don't deny your hostility, embrace it
20:46.23atoponcei did point out the advantages of linux over windows several times, but kept preferencing it with "every os has its advantages and disadvantages"
20:46.40atoponceoh, i'm the first to admit that i'm a microsoft-hater. no doubt
20:46.58atoponcebut i know where the line is in a teaching environment, and i don't cross it
20:47.05atoponcei guess that student thought i did
20:47.09thaddeusqatoponce: yeah, I tried VERY hard to never compare Linux with other OSes.
20:47.09Heartsbaneobviously not
20:47.29atoponcethaddeusq: it's hard, though. *very* hard
20:47.33Heartsbaneherlo: ping
20:47.44atoponce<PROTECTED>
20:47.55atoponcei know *exactly* who that student was too
20:48.08atoponceeverytime i brought up windows, i could see him shift in his seat
20:48.12Heartsbaneset $atoponce == Microsoft_h8r
20:48.21thaddeusqatoponce: It's not that hard, just point out the pros of Linux, don't compare.
20:48.53atoponcesee, and i can't point out the pros without comparing. what's the fun in that?
20:49.06atoponce*shrug*
20:49.19atoponcei'm not bothered, i guess i just need to be more careful
20:50.05thaddeusqWhen I did my demo teaching, I made the mistake of comparing Linux to Winders.
20:50.32thaddeusqBryan warned me then and there that if I got the job, I should NEVER do that.
20:51.46atoponcei'll try avoiding the very word next time, we'll see what happens
20:52.12atoponcelike teaching package management, for example
20:52.38atoponcewindows devs have gove to very extensive lengths to ensure that every dll, language, and version is supported with their software
20:52.54atoponcerpm just grabs the appropriate dependancies as needed
20:53.47Kemotahasince when?
20:53.47thaddeusqrpm without yum = dependency hell
20:54.01atoponcei don't say what's better, i just mention the differences
20:54.07atoponceyum, i meant
20:54.10atoponceyou know what i mean
20:54.17KemotahaI know
20:54.35atoponcethaddeusq: yeah. and i mention that rpm hell was a pain until yum came around
20:54.57Kemotahabut I have been in too many dpendency rounds with rpm to ever let it be acknowledged that it does dependancy resolution
20:55.40thaddeusqWhen talking about package management, I'd always just mention that when you install a program on other types of OSes it includes everything you need in the package. Linux doesn't do that...
20:57.37thaddeusqIn the RH033, you'll often have students that LOVE Windows and are being forced to learn Linux. You have to play things right. In the RH300, you can usually hate Windows a little more.
20:58.43atoponcetrue
20:58.54KemotahaI love windows
20:59.04KemotahaThey make it so I can see tress outside  :)
20:59.07atoponcei really think what's happening, however, is when i make the comparisons, they draw their own conclusions
20:59.14Kemotahas/tress/trees/
20:59.17thaddeusq~lart Kemotaha for loving windows
20:59.17jbotdumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Kemotaha for loving windows
20:59.40thaddeusqKemotaha: try seeing trees through that!
20:59.49Kemotahaits all dark now
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21:00.17Kemotahathis is how my computer must feel when Microsoft Windows is running
21:00.23tapH20guruare GuruLabs doing any ubuntu stuff?
21:00.37atoponcetapH20guru: not yet, although i'ts in the works
21:00.48tapH20gurusweet... desktop? server?
21:00.59tapH20guruubuntu cert?
21:01.09atoponcedepends on what the clients want
21:02.38Kemotahawhich means... they will do what they want unless the get some requests/complaints
21:03.31atoponcewell, guru has hired 3-4 debian/ubuntu nerds
21:03.47atoponcei've heard also that we might start getting some courseware together come spring
21:04.01atoponcebut really, yeah. we need regquests to teach it
21:09.31herloHeartsbane: pong
21:16.51atoponcehmmm. something i just realized
21:17.16atoponcethe gPC at walmart is selling for the same price as the OLPC, and i would argue that it's a bit more functional
21:17.33atoponceso, where does that put the OLPC?
21:26.13undertakingyouatoponce: ping
21:26.21atoponceundertakingyou: pong
21:26.36undertakingyoucan you help me with an IPTABLES issue?
21:26.59atoponcesure
21:27.25undertakingyouI am trying to do the rule -A INPUT -m match ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:27.37undertakingyoubut when I do it says iptables v1.3.6: Couldn't load match `match':/lib/iptables/libipt_match.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
21:27.58undertakingyouyet I can do it on my home machine
21:28.14atoponcei think you mean: iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:28.36atoponceyou want to create a rule based on a connected state
21:29.54undertakingyouatoponce: you sir are an oracle.  Thankse
21:30.02undertakingyous/se/./
21:30.16atoponcenp. :)
21:42.01Kemotahaatoponce: the olpc has a screen though
21:42.51atoponcedoesn't the gpc come with a crt?
21:43.10KemotahaI didn't think so...
21:43.45maquisurgh
21:43.49maquisi'm falling asleep here
21:44.13Kemotahahttp://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754613
21:44.24Kemotahathat is the $300 one
21:44.28Kemotahano monitor
21:44.34atoponcetinyurl.com/2hwjwj
21:44.40atoponceis the $200
21:45.05atoponceyeah. looks like no monitor
21:45.24atoponceso, there's an advantage. still, i'm curious how olpc is going to respond, if any
21:45.55Kemotahaplus the portablity of the laptop
21:46.21Kemotahabut yeah it makes olpc a little bad
21:46.46Kemotahaof course the olpc is an AMd chip or is it intel.  It isn't a noname brand
21:46.54atoponceamd
21:47.37Kemotahathe gpc has a VIA
21:49.31atoponcei guess the portability of the laptop represents possible breakage via dropping etc
21:49.36Kemotahaso the difference between to 2 cheapest at walmart is $100 for Vista and 512M ram
21:49.56atoponcea desktop just sits there, and historically have proven to be more reliable and durable
21:50.30KemotahaI would rather buy the OLPC, it I was only going to spend that much on a computer
21:51.44Kemotahaof course, a new machine is on my list...
21:52.18atoponcewell, my aeroplane is here. i'm off to cincinatti
21:52.35Kemotahahave fun.  Don't shout BOMB on the plane
21:52.55atoponceheh
22:14.23maquistgif
22:30.20undertakingyouWhy are we getting a 403 error on the smb updates?
22:31.42Yorokobiundertakingyou, dunno why but it has been that way for a while now
22:32.05undertakingyouYorokobi: hmmm . . . that is annoying.

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