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| 00:41.23 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> Ubuntu Utah Team | Help spread the Ubuntu 7.10 Love - seed the torrents today! http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ | Release Party Oct 20th, 6:30pm |
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| 02:26.47 | tgelter | evenin' all |
| 02:27.33 | undertakingyou | hello |
| 02:32.06 | tgelter | haha, good to see you undertaking |
| 02:32.07 | tgelter | do you ever leave the room? =P |
| 02:35.23 | undertakingyou | sometimes I leave. :) |
| 02:35.46 | tgelter | well that's good to know |
| 02:36.30 | tgelter | hey, do you happen to know how to disable the touchpad of a thinkpad laptop? or could you perhaps point me to documentation? I can't find anything anywhere |
| 02:37.05 | tgelter | oh wow...I think I can do it in the bios actually, now that I stop searching and start thinking |
| 02:48.25 | tgelter | hmm..I hate rebooting...time to go look in the BIOS |
| 02:48.25 | tgelter | g'night |
| 03:13.27 | Gate | yay! booting up 7.10 at last! |
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| 07:25.09 | findlay | atoponce: so when are you going to do a presentation on your 1337 irc/chat sk1llz? |
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| 15:23.01 | tristanbob | I'm excited for the release party tomorrow |
| 15:26.15 | sontek | yaaay |
| 15:27.24 | sontek | i'm going to drink lots of machiattos |
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| 16:19.06 | |phoenyx| | Zelut: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/ |
| 16:19.18 | |phoenyx| | (as if you didn't know already) |
| 16:21.37 | herlo | |phoenyx|: its also on /. |
| 16:21.39 | herlo | http://slashdot.org/articles/07/10/19/1417238.shtml |
| 16:24.12 | thaddeusq | herlo: but, most people consider msnbc a more reliable news source than /. |
| 16:24.37 | herlo | thaddeusq: that's probably true, but nerds like /. |
| 16:24.46 | herlo | thaddeusq: and since we're in a nerd channel... |
| 16:25.05 | herlo | thaddeusq: which reminds me, are you coming to the Ubuntu-Utah Release Party? |
| 16:25.08 | herlo | on Saturday? |
| 16:25.25 | thaddeusq | herlo: nope, have a Halloween party to go to. |
| 16:25.48 | herlo | Halloween? Its not even close to Halloween yet, that's more than a week away! |
| 16:25.55 | herlo | Ubuntu is better than Halloween |
| 16:26.09 | herlo | s/Ubuntu/Linux/g |
| 16:26.17 | thaddeusq | My kids don't think so. |
| 16:26.34 | thaddeusq | Linux doesn't give them Candy. |
| 16:26.53 | |phoenyx| | thaddeusq: give them candy to use linux |
| 16:27.47 | thaddeusq | |phoenyx|: I have 7 kids. Not enough candy. |
| 16:29.35 | thaddeusq | herlo: in regards to Comcrap, you should have seen them squirm at the Woods Cross city council meeting last Tuesday. |
| 16:29.57 | thaddeusq | You can read about some of it on my blog woodscross.blogspot.com |
| 16:34.00 | herlo | heh, kids are to be seen and not heard |
| 16:34.09 | herlo | no candy for you little ones |
| 16:34.21 | herlo | thaddeusq: I'll read that for sure :) |
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| 21:22.13 | undertakingyou | question for the room: I am doing a fresh install of gutsy. What FS should I use? |
| 21:23.16 | herlo | ext3 |
| 21:23.16 | herlo | is there another one recommended by Ubuntu? |
| 21:29.26 | undertakingyou | I have just heard that ext3 uses a lot of space. |
| 21:33.33 | herlo | undertakingyou: there's fragmentation everywhere. What will you be using it for? |
| 21:34.03 | herlo | undertakingyou: there's reiserfs and jfs, and xfs as well as zfs (not yet ready) and a few others that might be helpful |
| 21:34.19 | herlo | undertakingyou: just don't do vfat :) |
| 21:35.21 | undertakingyou | :) I am going to be reformatting everything and getting rid of dual boot. I just want a fast and reliable FS that isn't to big on the disk. I want the space for other stuff. |
| 21:43.37 | herlo | ext3 will work fine for you |
| 21:51.53 | Kemotaha | ext4 |
| 21:52.10 | Kemotaha | its better :) see 3 < 4 |
| 21:53.46 | undertakingyou | Kemotaha: thanks for clarifying that. I have been wondering the difference |
| 21:53.47 | undertakingyou | :) |
| 21:54.22 | Kemotaha | anytime |
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| 22:00.35 | Kemotaha | Does Gusty even give you the option of ext4? |
| 22:00.55 | Kemotaha | I know support is in the main kernel line now, but it is still experimental, though they say it is stable |
| 22:00.59 | undertakingyou | I am not sure. Still copying my stuff off. |
| 22:01.24 | undertakingyou | Kemotaha: would you say ext* over RiserFS or XFS? |
| 22:01.46 | Kemotaha | depends |
| 22:02.16 | Kemotaha | For basic stuff yeah |
| 22:02.28 | Kemotaha | For lots of small files, no |
| 22:02.41 | Kemotaha | I use Reiser3 for my home partition and ext3 for system |
| 22:03.47 | Kemotaha | I do that for more than performance reasons though |
| 22:04.02 | undertakingyou | ok, |
| 22:04.16 | Kemotaha | I want what ever I delete in home to be un recoverable |
| 22:04.33 | Kemotaha | (there are no undelete tools for reiser yet) |
| 22:04.49 | undertakingyou | I can see that as a double edge sword |
| 22:05.02 | Kemotaha | For bigger volumes you want to look to XFS or JFS or EXT4 or Reiser4 |
| 22:05.07 | Kemotaha | undertakingyou, yes it is |
| 22:05.20 | Kemotaha | bigger being 500G+ish |
| 22:05.42 | Kemotaha | I would probably do anything over 300GB |
| 22:05.43 | undertakingyou | Is it better to have a partition for home and one for root, or is it better to have it all on one partition? |
| 22:05.56 | Kemotaha | I like seperating it. |
| 22:06.04 | Kemotaha | It makes upgrades easy |
| 22:06.14 | Kemotaha | Format '/' leave home in place |
| 22:06.24 | Kemotaha | or rather reinstalls easy |
| 22:06.51 | undertakingyou | I see, that makes a lot of sense. |
| 22:07.07 | Kemotaha | Though When I went to Fiesty, I did redo home |
| 22:07.22 | Kemotaha | I had the same home partition since breezy |
| 22:07.40 | Kemotaha | but I didn't have to |
| 22:08.31 | Kemotaha | EXt4 has some exciting features |
| 22:09.42 | undertakingyou | do you use ext4 Kemotaha? |
| 22:10.01 | Kemotaha | not yet |
| 22:10.26 | Kemotaha | It brings ext to compete with Reiser and JFS and XFS |
| 22:11.54 | undertakingyou | so ext4 is still in development. And is Reiser4 also? |
| 22:12.44 | Kemotaha | yes, Reiser4 is in a ready state to be included in the kernel, but the kernel devs want a distro or two to pick it up first. Which may not happen with Hanses Legal trouble |
| 22:13.14 | Kemotaha | Ext4 is in the kernel in the experimental tree because it is a step past ext3(i.e. created by a kernel dev) |
| 22:13.15 | undertakingyou | Right, killing your wife is usually a roadblock |
| 22:13.52 | Kemotaha | only sometimes |
| 22:14.03 | Kemotaha | though it isn't proved... no body |
| 22:14.23 | undertakingyou | I know, sorry, he is innocent until proven otherwise. |
| 22:16.21 | Kemotaha | I am trying to find the site that did a good comaprison |
| 22:16.30 | Kemotaha | wikipedia isn't too bad: |
| 22:16.38 | Kemotaha | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 22:19.30 | undertakingyou | hmmm . . . what is a EiB? |
| 22:21.26 | Kemotaha | ExaByte |
| 22:21.36 | Kemotaha | past a PetaByte |
| 22:21.44 | Kemotaha | which is past a GigaByte |
| 22:21.58 | undertakingyou | Were is TeraByte in that? |
| 22:22.10 | Kemotaha | oh yeah, between Giga and Peta |
| 22:22.30 | Kemotaha | I knew I was forgetting something |
| 22:23.24 | Kemotaha | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte |
| 22:23.25 | undertakingyou | so according to wikipedia ext4 adds extents (whatever those are) and "Allocate-on-flush" (whatever that is) And it has a defrag tool. |
| 22:23.36 | Kemotaha | yes, and losts of speed |
| 22:23.50 | undertakingyou | When is it due to be finished? |
| 22:23.58 | Kemotaha | Extents are the same thing that LVM uses. Big blocks for data |
| 22:24.22 | Kemotaha | not sure Ext4 |
| 22:26.55 | undertakingyou | Another thing, since ext4 is backward compatible, I could later mount my ext3 as 4 and have these new features of speed, extents, etc.? |
| 22:29.12 | Kemotaha | sort of |
| 22:29.29 | Kemotaha | You would probably have to make ext4 first, just like you had to do with ext2/3 |
| 22:29.38 | Kemotaha | tunefs -j or something similar |
| 22:30.35 | undertakingyou | hmm. . .well, you have given a lot to think of. |
| 22:44.49 | Kemotaha | talk to you all later. Time to head home |