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| 03:36.39 | atoponce | great |
| 03:36.45 | atoponce | got dugg, eh? |
| 03:36.54 | atoponce | can't get my server up |
| 03:39.17 | atoponce | man. my server is taking a pounding. how long has that been up on the front page? |
| 03:47.12 | Gate | which article points to you? |
| 03:47.36 | Gate | never mind, found it |
| 03:47.43 | Gate | not long, near the top on RSS |
| 03:47.57 | Gate | 46 minutes |
| 03:47.59 | atoponce | yeah. i'm still getting pounded, and my server is unresponsive |
| 03:48.07 | atoponce | i don't know what to do to get it up |
| 03:48.21 | Gate | is the page dynamic? |
| 03:48.35 | atoponce | no. and caching is enabled |
| 03:48.43 | Gate | best idea: insert a php redirect to point them to duggmirror |
| 03:49.19 | Gate | ouch. it didn't last long enough for duggmirror to copy it |
| 03:49.38 | atoponce | yeah. it's not the most robust server in the world |
| 03:49.46 | atoponce | it's a pentium 3 700 with little ram |
| 03:51.38 | atoponce | bots are down. let's see what other resources i can get |
| 03:51.55 | Gate | I would try and mirror it somehow, then just input a redirect line |
| 03:52.06 | Gate | 'till it blows over |
| 03:54.08 | atoponce | how? |
| 03:57.56 | atoponce | well, i've turned off the port until my cpu and ram can catch up |
| 03:59.18 | Gate | upload the whole content to pastebin or something |
| 03:59.26 | Gate | is the server using PHP? |
| 04:00.06 | Gate | php: <?php |
| 04:00.06 | Gate | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.07 | Gate | ?> |
| 04:00.34 | Gate | all you have to do is find a place to dump the content |
| 04:01.37 | heartsbane | atoponce: still getting pounded? |
| 04:02.31 | Gate | he is still only fifth down on digg's RSS feed |
| 04:02.40 | Gate | he has a ways to go yet |
| 04:02.41 | atoponce | yeah. still getting pounded. working on solutions, at this point |
| 04:03.43 | Gate | digg: The free DOS service, if the target is interesting enough |
| 04:04.00 | atoponce | ok. everything normal. all systems check. let's see what happens when i open the port.... |
| 04:04.04 | atoponce | here goes |
| 04:04.13 | heartsbane | what the hell did you write? |
| 04:04.58 | atoponce | and there it goes... |
| 04:04.59 | atoponce | ugh |
| 04:05.03 | atoponce | this is going to be a long night |
| 04:05.40 | Gate | its the aptitude/apt-get stuff |
| 04:05.45 | heartsbane | ah |
| 04:05.49 | atoponce | it's the db that is slowing me down |
| 04:05.53 | Gate | kinda curious, myself. A fan of both..... |
| 04:05.56 | heartsbane | the parking lot coversation |
| 04:06.12 | atoponce | yup |
| 04:06.19 | atoponce | i can't believe it. really |
| 04:06.20 | Gate | <3 remote admin using apt-get |
| 04:06.28 | Gate | aptitude for single system. |
| 04:06.58 | atoponce | well, i don't know what to do |
| 04:06.59 | maquis | uh... why is mheath in #utos? |
| 04:07.07 | Gate | Linux users: interested *click*. Windows users: what's that *click*. BSD users: ugh, linux users *click* |
| 04:07.47 | atoponce | i have just about every service turned off, to allow all the necessary room for apache/mysql, and it's not enough |
| 04:08.18 | heartsbane | I have to meet this mheath |
| 04:08.18 | atoponce | i'm getting hit about 100 hits / minute |
| 04:08.33 | atoponce | the db should be able to take that, i would think |
| 04:08.46 | atoponce | i'm up for suggestions |
| 04:09.14 | Gate | atoponce: turn the page into HTML only, and kill the MySQL server |
| 04:09.30 | heartsbane | s/suggest/suggests/ |
| 04:09.31 | Gate | damn...... |
| 04:09.52 | Gate | got it. Post the comparison in ubuntu forums |
| 04:10.06 | Gate | their servers can take it, you just redirect |
| 04:10.17 | atoponce | have a link? |
| 04:10.26 | Gate | hold on |
| 04:11.22 | Gate | want me to post it? |
| 04:11.23 | atoponce | wow. i seriously cannot belive it. i took a slashdot once, but then again, it was about 1/3 the traffic |
| 04:11.42 | atoponce | it's not on the forums already? yeah. go for it |
| 04:11.52 | heartsbane | is the webserver at your home? |
| 04:12.07 | atoponce | yes |
| 04:12.15 | atoponce | in my basement |
| 04:12.18 | Gate | ok, your article already on? I didn't think it was |
| 04:12.42 | atoponce | i have the text. do you want me to pastebin it to you? |
| 04:12.52 | Gate | sure |
| 04:14.32 | atoponce | http://www.pastebin.ca/655211 |
| 04:14.52 | atoponce | Gate: wait |
| 04:15.01 | atoponce | i'm going to put it in an html page. |
| 04:15.06 | atoponce | keep it static. that should work |
| 04:16.11 | Gate | ok |
| 04:16.32 | Gate | all you have to do is keep it up long enough for duggmirror to catch it |
| 04:16.40 | Gate | then you can redirect to there |
| 04:19.02 | Gate | let me know, I can post it on the forums if needed |
| 04:22.05 | atoponce | ok. static post up |
| 04:26.34 | atoponce | much better |
| 04:26.37 | atoponce | i can breathe now |
| 04:30.31 | heartsbane | maybe you should think about hosting the site somewhere else |
| 04:31.44 | heartsbane | BRB |
| 04:32.07 | atoponce | i've never worried about being dugg. i didn't think my posts were that interesting |
| 04:32.37 | atoponce | in fact, i had hoped that my blog would never be dugg. it's just a ddos, and i'm not too terribly excited about services such as digg or reddit |
| 04:33.07 | Gate | Some of them have interesting stuff |
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| 04:36.02 | atoponce | yeah. i guess so. it's just the slamming of traffic that makes it suck |
| 04:36.40 | atoponce | digg or reddit should be able to throttle traffic, to keep stuff like this from happening |
| 04:36.48 | atoponce | don't know how they'd implement it, though |
| 04:37.49 | Gate | autoredirect to duggmirror |
| 04:38.06 | Gate | or rather, automatically alter the original link |
| 04:38.19 | Gate | they would get slammed for censoring, then, though. |
| 04:42.49 | tonedevf | atoponce: what post of yours is being pounded? |
| 04:43.18 | atoponce | http://www.pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
| 04:43.20 | heartsbane | apt vs aptitude |
| 04:43.27 | heartsbane | give it a digg |
| 04:43.28 | atoponce | i'm golden now that it's HTML... |
| 04:45.30 | tonedevf | aptitude is tops though |
| 04:45.30 | tonedevf | good comparison |
| 04:45.30 | Gate | most of it is crap and innacurate |
| 04:45.30 | atoponce | thx |
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| 04:46.21 | tonedevf | aptitude amazingly fixed an ubuntu system that had the power cut half-way through the install |
| 04:46.22 | atoponce | uh huh |
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| 04:46.36 | Gate | tonedevf: wow |
| 04:46.48 | tonedevf | aptitude is what's behind the ubuntu package manager gui, right? |
| 04:46.56 | Gate | I had a room of 16 installs that were killed mid 6.10=>7.04 update |
| 04:47.05 | Gate | so screwed up that they wouldn't boot |
| 04:47.07 | tonedevf | ouch |
| 04:47.19 | Gate | had to go into a live cd, chroot and repair |
| 04:47.27 | tonedevf | x16 |
| 04:47.34 | Gate | it was during the kernel update, I think |
| 04:47.39 | Gate | yeah |
| 04:48.49 | tonedevf | atoponce: what is the upstream cap on your home net connection? |
| 04:48.58 | atoponce | 768Kbps |
| 04:49.02 | atoponce | something like that |
| 04:49.06 | maquis | hopefully tonight i'll be able to get my webserver moved |
| 04:49.22 | tonedevf | and your server choked before your pipe clogged? dang |
| 04:49.43 | atoponce | yeah. it's a pIII 700 with 192MB RAM |
| 04:50.07 | atoponce | the db has taken 1600 hits in the past 90min |
| 04:50.26 | maquis | atoponce: why? |
| 04:50.42 | atoponce | which it should be able to handle. so i think i need to sit down with an admin, and do some performance tuning |
| 04:50.48 | atoponce | maquis: i've been dugg |
| 04:51.14 | maquis | atoponce: ooh... really? |
| 04:51.19 | atoponce | i mean, thats only about 20 hits a min on average. that should handle it just fine. so something is wrong |
| 04:51.28 | atoponce | maquis: yeah. cool, but troublesome |
| 04:51.31 | maquis | :) |
| 04:51.45 | maquis | the aptitude vs apt-get? |
| 04:51.59 | atoponce | maquis: where have you been this past month or so? you haven't said two words to me for a long time |
| 04:52.02 | atoponce | yeah |
| 04:52.10 | maquis | atoponce: work |
| 04:52.14 | maquis | that's where i've been |
| 04:52.16 | maquis | sorry :( |
| 04:52.46 | maquis | i'm hoping i'll have a bit more time now that i don't have an intern anymore... |
| 04:53.08 | maquis | he was a great intern, but trying to manage someone else's project while still managing my own was a bit of a time sink |
| 04:53.24 | maquis | so hopefully i'll have more time at least until halloween |
| 04:54.47 | maquis | uh... who do i talk to to get my name changed for the utah planet? |
| 04:55.59 | atoponce | gabe gunderson, iirc |
| 04:56.03 | maquis | ok |
| 04:57.55 | Gate | ok, people up north. What are the IT job prospects up there like? many/few/none? |
| 05:00.05 | tonedevf | up north? |
| 05:00.43 | Gate | Salt Lake and associated regions |
| 05:00.46 | atoponce | i'm not in the IT industry, so i wouldn't know |
| 05:01.16 | atoponce | for dev jobs, however, there seems to be some wiggle room as of late |
| 05:01.40 | tonedevf | Gate, you're looking for what kind of work? |
| 05:05.08 | Gate | I have a friend who has significant (decades) experience in system administration, IT support, etc. |
| 05:06.00 | atoponce | ok. i give up. what does this mean: |
| 05:06.02 | atoponce | /bin/sh: line 1: 824 Segmentation fault /usr/share/cacti/site/poller.php >/dev/null 2>/var/log/cacti/poller-error.log |
| 05:06.05 | tonedevf | there's always a few it support jobs at the U of U |
| 05:06.13 | atoponce | i'm getting it in my email every 5 minutes |
| 05:06.24 | atoponce | which tells me its cron running it, but there's nothing there |
| 05:07.21 | Gate | what is line 1 of poller.php? |
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| 05:08.59 | atoponce | #!/usr/bin/php -q |
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| 05:13.05 | Yorokobi | atoponce, it means cacti sucks and you should use zabbix instead :) |
| 05:13.22 | atoponce | i didn't know i was running cacti. what is it? |
| 05:13.37 | Yorokobi | MRTG, but better |
| 05:14.08 | atoponce | mrtg? |
| 05:14.15 | Yorokobi | Seriously? |
| 05:14.55 | Yorokobi | MRTG takes SNMP data from routers and graphs it. Cacti does the same thing but makes prettier graphs that you can zoom in on. |
| 05:15.15 | atoponce | ahh. i see |
| 05:15.22 | Yorokobi | okay, neither are limited to routers, that's what they're primarily used for, though. |
| 05:16.02 | atoponce | i have some stuff on here that i bet i could do just fine without |
| 05:16.13 | atoponce | initially, i setup this server back during the days of breezy |
| 05:16.23 | atoponce | i followed some tutorial, having no idea what i was doing |
| 05:16.38 | atoponce | i bet i installed cacti, as well as a ton of other crap that i don't need |
| 05:17.54 | atoponce | i should really take the time to comb through my system, and see what's going on under the hood, and take the stuff out that i'm not using or don't need |
| 05:18.04 | atoponce | i should probably tune my db as well |
| 05:18.29 | Yorokobi | ... and switch from MySQL to PostgreSQL |
| 05:18.33 | Yorokobi | :) |
| 05:18.52 | atoponce | yeah. if only wordpress supported it, i'd do it in a heartbeat. believe me on that. :) |
| 05:19.17 | atoponce | i don't know if i want to make the move to MT yet |
| 05:19.19 | Yorokobi | in the meantime, you get to periodically run 'OPTIMIZE TABLE sometable' |
| 05:39.12 | atoponce | no more eggdrop |
| 05:39.18 | atoponce | supybot is the new utahbot |
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| 05:41.24 | Yorokobi | !w 84115 |
| 05:41.31 | Yorokobi | @w 84115 |
| 05:41.42 | Yorokobi | oh, gone ... |
| 05:41.55 | atoponce | i'll get a weather plugin in there |
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| 05:42.12 | atoponce | @load Weather |
| 05:42.12 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: No plugin named "Weather" exists. |
| 05:43.10 | atoponce | @load Seen |
| 05:43.13 | UtahBot | atoponce: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:43.17 | atoponce | @load Misc |
| 05:43.17 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: Misc is already loaded. |
| 05:50.18 | atoponce | reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ! |
| 05:50.28 | atoponce | @config reply.whenAddressedBy.chars ! |
| 05:50.28 | UtahBot | atoponce: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:50.32 | atoponce | !weather 84405 |
| 05:50.33 | UtahBot | atoponce: The current temperature in Ogden Hill AFB, Utah is 82.4°F (10:55 PM MDT on August 12, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:50.45 | atoponce | there we go |
| 05:50.56 | atoponce | i'm going to miss the timebomb plugin |
| 05:54.20 | atoponce | @join #oalug |
| 05:55.33 | atoponce | heh. i forgot. i changed it to a ! |
| 05:55.37 | atoponce | !join ##atoponce |
| 05:55.58 | Gate | heh, what is that, the atoponce fan club? |
| 05:56.19 | atoponce | heh. i wish. :) |
| 05:57.02 | atoponce | !load Fun |
| 05:57.03 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: No plugin named "Fun" exists. |
| 05:57.08 | atoponce | oh. heh |
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| 05:58.20 | atoponce | !roulette |
| 05:58.20 | *** kick/#ubuntu-utah [atoponce!n=supybot@oalug/bot/utahbot] by UtahBot (BANG!) |
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| 05:58.30 | atoponce | !roulette spin |
| 05:58.30 | UtahBot | *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky? |
| 05:58.43 | atoponce | !roulette |
| 05:58.44 | UtahBot | atoponce: *click* |
| 06:16.06 | herlo | atoponce: you rang earlier? |
| 06:16.34 | atoponce | herlo: took care of it. thx though |
| 06:17.43 | herlo | np |
| 06:46.04 | Gate | !roulette spin |
| 06:46.04 | UtahBot | *SPIN* Are you feeling lucky? |
| 06:46.08 | Gate | !roulette |
| 06:46.09 | UtahBot | Gate: *click* |
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| 13:31.12 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 13:31.31 | atoponce | ? |
| 13:31.37 | atoponce | it should be in full swing... |
| 13:33.05 | atoponce | what time does the exchange start? i thought it was 8am EST, of which, we're past |
| 13:36.44 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 13:36.55 | atoponce | c'mon c'mon |
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| 13:38.53 | atoponce | ~quote amzn |
| 13:39.21 | {phoenyx} | atoponce: congrats (and condolences to your server) on making digg front page |
| 13:40.03 | atoponce | thx |
| 13:40.08 | atoponce | it's still getting slammed |
| 13:40.18 | atoponce | i'm almost to 6000 hits since midnight |
| 13:42.24 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 13:42.39 | atoponce | c'mon... it should be reporting now |
| 13:45.43 | atoponce | i'm at about 40 hits per minute. my db should be able to handle that, i think. that's a light load by any db standard |
| 13:48.55 | atoponce | seems to be running ok |
| 13:49.27 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 13:49.34 | atoponce | hah hah! |
| 13:49.38 | atoponce | there it his |
| 13:49.42 | atoponce | s/h// |
| 13:49.47 | atoponce | meh |
| 13:50.14 | Yorokobi | heh, regex is greedy :) |
| 14:00.01 | Zelut | atoponce: IM |
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| 15:11.15 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 15:11.34 | Zelut | herlo: pong |
| 15:11.53 | herlo | Zelut: I'd like to know if you still have your ks script that deploys FAH ? |
| 15:12.20 | Zelut | herlo: I never got it to work properly. its on my agenda this week while I'm at the office. |
| 15:12.46 | herlo | Zelut: I have an hour to kill before students start class. thought I'd tweak your scripts |
| 15:12.58 | Zelut | herlo: still rolling it out huh? cool. |
| 15:14.00 | herlo | Zelut: not last week, but I have tons of time this week. Anytime I get a chance... |
| 15:14.08 | herlo | Zelut: teaching in Vegas is a trip |
| 15:14.20 | herlo | Zelut: have you ever been to the "White House"? |
| 15:15.14 | Zelut | no |
| 15:15.18 | herlo | Zelut: that's the TC here in Vegas |
| 15:17.12 | thaddeusq | herlo: what do you use to get gpg interaction with gmail? |
| 15:17.52 | Zelut | firegpg I think is what they use. |
| 15:17.58 | herlo | firegpg |
| 15:18.12 | herlo | thaddeusq: works well enough, still needs help though |
| 15:18.25 | herlo | no way to make it cache the passphrase |
| 15:18.54 | Yorokobi | You can always set Gmail up to allow POP3 access, then use TB+Enigmail |
| 15:19.09 | Yorokobi | granted, gmail's pop3 support blows ... |
| 15:19.48 | thaddeusq | I eventually want to get to that point. I'm behind a pretty strict firewall/proxy server |
| 15:19.51 | Zelut | Yorokobi: I set my gmail to forward to an IMAP box. that way I get IMAP and gmail archiving. |
| 15:20.11 | Yorokobi | Zelut, hmmm ... I may have to toy with that. |
| 15:20.32 | Yorokobi | Zelut, do you use gmail's SMTP server then? |
| 15:20.42 | sontek | I just don't use gpg, gmail works great that way ;D |
| 15:20.44 | Zelut | Yorokobi: I use that for outgoing, yeah. |
| 15:21.20 | Yorokobi | sontek, I can't trust you. (Not that I would before :) ) |
| 15:21.25 | sontek | if god (google) wanted us to use gpg, he'd give it to us! |
| 15:22.38 | Zelut | lol |
| 15:22.38 | herlo | I don't like using my gmail for that, too many lists. TBird would fill up |
| 15:23.08 | Zelut | I'm on 50+ lists and I handle it ok. There is a feature called "digest mode", give it a try ;) |
| 15:23.30 | sontek | digest mode is a waste |
| 15:23.33 | thaddeusq | I'd use ssh -D, but the firewall blocks almost all ports! |
| 15:23.44 | herlo | Zelut: I like to watch the mail |
| 15:24.09 | herlo | Zelut: but I don't want to have to manage it on TBird. If any mua had labels, I'd try it |
| 15:24.15 | herlo | like googles, that is |
| 15:24.37 | herlo | Zelut: is there a later version of FAH-installer than 0.3 ? |
| 15:25.19 | thaddeusq | herlo: In the real world, labels are called procmail rules to move to imap folders. |
| 15:25.37 | sontek | I prefer folders of labels, so I can do linux->sllug,plug,uug codez->python, mono |
| 15:25.45 | sontek | s/of/over/ |
| 15:26.41 | herlo | thaddeusq: that's true, but I can't get them to work the way I want yet |
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| 15:28.40 | Yorokobi | atoponce, ping |
| 15:32.35 | Zelut | herlo: v0.3 is the latest stable. |
| 15:35.06 | atoponce | Yorokobi: pong |
| 15:35.30 | Yorokobi | atoponce, want to upgrade your server? |
| 15:35.55 | Yorokobi | I have a 1.4GHz AMD Athlon and 1GB of RAM I'm not using. |
| 15:36.10 | atoponce | how much? |
| 15:36.28 | Yorokobi | heh, my wife wants it out of the house ASAP |
| 15:37.53 | herlo | Zelut: tx |
| 15:38.18 | Zelut | Yorokobi: no such thing :) |
| 15:38.34 | Yorokobi | I didn't say I believed her |
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| 15:58.35 | herlo | Yorokobi: I'll take it anytime. how about I come by Saturday and pick it up |
| 15:58.39 | herlo | :) |
| 15:59.55 | atoponce | ~quote scox |
| 16:00.19 | Yorokobi | heh, you missed the yard sale where I sold my 1U Dual P3-700 for $40 (with 1U case) |
| 16:01.24 | atoponce | that would be nice |
| 16:01.30 | herlo | Yorokobi: how rude! you didn't even tell me! |
| 16:01.39 | atoponce | i think you announced it though, and i couldn't make it |
| 16:01.49 | Yorokobi | Yeah, I announced it |
| 16:02.22 | Zelut | herlo: the T61ps have just arrived. no work will be done today :) |
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| 16:07.24 | atoponce | ~quote novl |
| 16:14.11 | herlo | Zelut: for sure |
| 16:14.22 | herlo | Zelut: you didn't get one, get to work!! |
| 16:26.52 | Zelut | herlo: i don't think there is a single laptop made that agrees with everything I'd want. |
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| 16:50.31 | opapo | how do you resolve an HTTP 403 error? |
| 16:50.39 | opapo | Permissions seem to be correct. |
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| 17:04.51 | Yorokobi | So, has anyone else noticed that email signatures generated by FireGP are labeled invalid, even by FireGP? |
| 17:06.40 | Yorokobi | meh, maybe it's because I'm using SHA512 in my sigs ... |
| 17:08.57 | Zelut | it's because firepgp is still b0rken |
| 17:13.46 | Zelut | I haven't had the best of luck with it, but its a very good idea. |
| 17:18.57 | atoponce | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20070812&mode=classic |
| 17:24.13 | Zelut | man what a morning. |
| 17:26.34 | sontek | So is it ok if I ask what type of behavior was considered offensive at the last meet? |
| 17:26.41 | sontek | I thought it was our best meet to date |
| 17:28.27 | sontek | and I re-read the CoC just to clarify, and couldn't remember anything that violated the terms |
| 17:28.48 | thaddeusq | I read through the Code of Conduct as well and couldn't see anything either |
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| 17:30.20 | atoponce | last meet was fine, i think, although a bit loud (i went hoarse) |
| 17:30.31 | sontek | loud isn't against the CoC =) |
| 17:30.36 | atoponce | my wife has complained about some meetings' atmospheres, however |
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| 17:30.54 | steve8track | hello atoponce |
| 17:31.05 | sontek | atoponce: like what? Swearing? Talks of poo? |
| 17:31.19 | sontek | atoponce: I had to ~language you 3 times during your talk, so it can't be the swearing =) |
| 17:31.46 | atoponce | no. it's not swearing, although she's not a fan of that either |
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| 17:32.34 | sontek | well, i'm only asking because of Christers e-mail, I can't hope to change what i'm doing if I don't know what was the cause of the complaints |
| 17:33.21 | atoponce | the few that my wife has attended, there have been sexual jokes and conversation |
| 17:34.18 | Zelut | I've noticed that at the last few meetings too. It'll happen when you fill a room with guys, but we just need to watch out for it. |
| 17:35.27 | steve8track | atoponce: I'm joining the conversation late, but whatever the case may be, I appreciate that you are trying to keep conversations censored and clean. Thanks for your efforts to address the topic :-) |
| 17:35.30 | atoponce | and i apologize for cursing at the meeting |
| 17:35.49 | atoponce | steve8track: thank Zelut. he sent the email... :) |
| 17:36.00 | steve8track | ok |
| 17:36.13 | steve8track | Zelut: I'm joining the conversation late, but whatever the case may be, I appreciate that you are trying to keep conversations censored and clean. Thanks for your efforts to address the topic :-) |
| 17:36.18 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:36.19 | Zelut | lol |
| 17:36.22 | steve8track | lol |
| 17:36.37 | sontek | Yeah, I agree we need to stay on topic and keep the discussions clean, but I also think that our members should be mature enough to handle a few slips |
| 17:36.42 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o Zelut] by ChanServ |
| 17:37.21 | Zelut | sontek: I think we can just keep it clean and shouldn't have to tell people to "just deal with it if it happens" |
| 17:37.38 | steve8track | That's the problem with chat rooms, the conversations go to everyone, and I read that it is rude to have individual conversations without asking permission first in irc. |
| 17:38.03 | steve8track | (I don't mean what I just said refering to swearing, but to how I copied the same message to Zelut) |
| 17:38.07 | Yorokobi | okay, how does one generate an SSL cert for apache2 on feisty? All the tutorials want to use 'apache2-ssl-certificate' which doesn't exist in feisty (confirmed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/77675/+viewstatus) |
| 17:38.12 | sontek | The only reason I say that is because I can't think of any remarks that were derogatory enough to warrant someone not wanting to come to our meets |
| 17:38.29 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Zelut -> | Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | http://utah.ubuntu-us.org | Ask Zelut about discounted registration for the Utah Open Source Conference | |
| 17:39.14 | Zelut | sontek: we'll I've had two emails after the last meet (the one where I presented) and one since yesterday. |
| 17:39.18 | sontek | I don't think we can expect all our members to follow the LDS CoC, but the Ubuntu CoC we can |
| 17:39.54 | Zelut | LDS CoC is not an issue. Ubuntu CoC is |
| 17:40.10 | sontek | Zelut: do you have any example from Saturdays meet from your email? |
| 17:40.20 | sontek | what was said that was offensive? |
| 17:40.57 | Zelut | uhm, one example is "he had me at breast" which came from the meet into the IRC channel. |
| 17:41.17 | sontek | rofl |
| 17:41.28 | Zelut | nothing to do with LDS CoC there but it has *nothing* to do with the presentation, Ubuntu, etc. |
| 17:41.29 | sontek | ~pee heartsbane |
| 17:41.39 | jbot | ACTION unzips his pants and tinkles on the head of heartsbane |
| 17:41.54 | Zelut | and not that that in itself is terribly bad, but is it really appropriate for a public group? |
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| 17:42.52 | sontek | Yeah, but at the same time, thats no where near offensive, and I'd expect our members to be able to look past it |
| 17:43.21 | Zelut | what if we had women at the meet or in the channel? it could make them uncomfortable. |
| 17:43.27 | sontek | but I'll spank heartsbane at the next meeting for it |
| 17:43.49 | Zelut | I really don't want to turn everything into a PC-party, but its little things like that (and actually that itself) that are to blame. |
| 17:44.14 | steve8track | I'm not so sure I like the tinkling that just happened myself... at least it was worded without swearing, but it seems crude and irrelevant to the discussion, other than we are talking about being offensive. |
| 17:45.00 | sontek | I don't think women should be any more offended by the remark than anyone else in the room |
| 17:45.01 | Zelut | steve8track: agreed |
| 17:45.05 | sontek | unless ofcourse it was directed towards them |
| 17:45.35 | Zelut | sontek: well it doesn't directly bother me either but the reality is that they are offended so it needed to be brought up. |
| 17:48.15 | sontek | Zelut: I understand, I just want to make sure we don't moderate for the overly sensitive people, there needs to be a middle ground |
| 17:49.02 | Zelut | there does need to be a middle ground and I think we've been doing pretty well in general. |
| 17:49.13 | Yorokobi | No sontek, you need to repent! :) |
| 17:49.26 | Zelut | just, based on recent complaints, apparently we've gone beyond that middle ground and need to take a step back. |
| 17:49.55 | sontek | and with the current example of the remark about the breasts, it was directed at anyone, it wasn't meant to be sexual, so I think it fits the middle ground |
| 17:50.21 | sontek | but if there were other instances where we've stepped outside the bounds, then I can understand |
| 17:50.45 | sontek | Yorokobi: how many hail marys are you going to give me? =) |
| 17:50.51 | steve8track | Well, I think I'm fairly sensitive, and if I hear some mild swearing, I probably won't complain, but crude referential conversation that puts images into our minds I am VERY offended by, as well as harsh swearing or flagrant swearing. |
| 17:51.02 | Zelut | sontek: while it wasn't directed at anyone it also really didn't have any merit in any worthwhile conversation |
| 17:51.16 | Yorokobi | sontek, 100 Hail Mary's and 50 Our Father's |
| 17:51.30 | Yorokobi | sontek, and 40 push-ups |
| 17:51.43 | Zelut | sontek: so while it really isn't *that bad* it's not really something we need in the channel or meets either.. |
| 17:52.14 | sontek | Zelut: yes, but if we start punishing people for going off-topic our group will be a lot less fun, our members shouldn't have to worry if they are going to be persecuted for a few off-color jokes |
| 17:52.21 | sontek | Yorokobi: 40?! WHAT?! |
| 17:52.24 | sontek | Yorokobi: i'm a programmer! |
| 17:52.33 | sontek | Yorokobi: I'll do the hail mary's and our father's! |
| 17:52.35 | sontek | ;) |
| 17:52.37 | Yorokobi | sontek, get into shape man |
| 17:53.03 | steve8track | I personally like to get off topic, but I don't think it needs to be crude. |
| 17:53.07 | Zelut | sontek: but do we need off color jokes though? I don't want to babysit everyone, and we shouldn't have to. |
| 17:53.36 | sontek | Zelut: we are a group of middle-aged men who sit on computers all day everyday, I think a few jokes is expected |
| 17:53.37 | Zelut | off color vs the CoC.. kind of stems right there |
| 17:55.35 | sontek | but if you feel it needs to be moderated its your call, but I think our members have kept a pretty clean discussion going and it sounds like the few small instances that have been complained about were from overly sensitive ears |
| 17:55.47 | moriancumer | (jumping in the conversation) Where can I read the CoC? IS there a different CoC for IRC then for group meets? IF not than there should be? |
| 17:55.59 | atoponce | sontek: yes. for the majority of the time, our members have been great. |
| 17:56.06 | sontek | http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct |
| 17:56.13 | atoponce | it's just the minor derails that we need to adjust. that's all |
| 17:56.25 | moriancumer | sontek: Thanx |
| 17:56.40 | atoponce | we're not a crude, or otherwise bad group. we just have weaknesses that we need need to strengthen. that's all |
| 17:57.52 | sontek | atoponce: ever heard the expression mountain out of a molehill? =) |
| 17:58.02 | sontek | because I think this fits that expression well |
| 17:58.15 | steve8track | I actually think this group has been very clean, but then again I never heard the above mentioned crude material that happened during out meeting. |
| 17:58.38 | atoponce | well, i have to live with it at home. so mountain or not, my wife won't be attending until it's fixed. she's one of the few complaining |
| 17:58.41 | sontek | I think what was more offensive than the breast comment was the timebombs =) |
| 17:58.49 | atoponce | and i'd like her to attend |
| 17:59.00 | sontek | I felt I had to pay attention to IRC the whole time because I might get kicked at any moment |
| 17:59.35 | atoponce | the bot has been redone, so no more timebombs at the moment |
| 17:59.40 | steve8track | Maybe we could remove that robot? Who made it anyway? Can it be removed? I know little about the robots. |
| 17:59.47 | atoponce | steve8track: it's my bot |
| 18:00.06 | atoponce | !timebomb |
| 18:00.10 | UtahBot | atoponce: Error: "timebomb" is not a valid command. |
| 18:00.34 | steve8track | atoponce: I think it's fun and I'd like to know how to make one, but... disabling it might be good if we get out of control with it. |
| 18:00.54 | sontek | atoponce: I understand, but again, middle ground, if 1 person is offended and 20 are not, who needs to do the adjusting =) |
| 18:01.02 | atoponce | nah. if anything, just get your client to autojoin everytime you're kicked. :) |
| 18:01.20 | steve8track | sontek: If you want to keep the bot, fine by me. |
| 18:01.22 | atoponce | sontek: there are 3, according to Zelut. that's 15% |
| 18:01.39 | steve8track | I don't care either way, just a suggestiong |
| 18:01.59 | steve8track | (about the bot that is) |
| 18:02.03 | sontek | steve8track: Its not my bot |
| 18:02.14 | sontek | steve8track: I don't care either way |
| 18:02.45 | steve8track | ok |
| 18:02.53 | sontek | steve8track: I'm just saying, if I were to pick a part of the meet that was offensive, it would be maquis kicking me from the chan, not heartsbane talking about boobs |
| 18:03.51 | maquis | huh? |
| 18:04.06 | maquis | sontek: you're welcome to timebomb me |
| 18:04.11 | sontek | maquis: you timebombed me yesterday, but don't think i'm mad =) |
| 18:04.24 | maquis | i chose to do you simply because you had just spoken, so i figured you were around! |
| 18:04.27 | sontek | maquis: i'm just saying the breast talk wasn't that bad |
| 18:04.41 | maquis | meh |
| 18:05.43 | maquis | being a cs girl, i'm somewhat used to hearing stuff |
| 18:05.48 | maquis | but it is sometimes annoying |
| 18:06.02 | sontek | and I think any girl who expects to come to user groups, is going to have to get used to the stuff |
| 18:06.19 | maquis | and a lot of girls who aren't used to the culture (especially utah girls) might get turned off by it |
| 18:06.46 | maquis | sontek: that attitude is honestly not exceptionally helpful |
| 18:07.18 | maquis | i really don't think that girls ought to have to "get used to" that type of thing in order to be involved with linux... |
| 18:07.39 | maquis | just my personal opinion, though |
| 18:07.54 | sontek | maquis: its the truth, not an attitude, its the way the community is, if you know a way to fix 'boys will be boys', go ahead =) |
| 18:08.35 | maquis | *shrug* |
| 18:09.59 | sontek | i'm not saying there isn't room for improvement, but if someone is going to be offended everytime they hear an offcolor joke, it'd be better if they just didn't participate, because its bound to happen |
| 18:10.02 | steve8track | To say that to be a boy is to be crude and immoral shouldn't be the way we look at things. Do we want to be boys, or men? A man should be mature enough to know what shouldn't be said. |
| 18:10.22 | maquis | i guess i just expected a little bit more from an ubuntu group... i'm not in ubuntu-utah, and i don't attend meets (i'm a couple states away), but i always kinda assumed that ubuntu was trying to pull in less-technical people |
| 18:11.02 | sontek | steve8track: I don't think the person who coined the phrase was meaning 'boys' in a literal sense, 'men will be men' doesn't have the same ring to it =) |
| 18:11.20 | maquis | when that type of discussion comes up, you're going to end up pushing away a lot of people who might otherwise be interested... |
| 18:12.04 | Zelut | boys will be boys I don't think applys to the CoC honestly. |
| 18:12.20 | Zelut | I'm not pointing any fingers. I don't want to moderate the group. I just hope we can do better. |
| 18:12.24 | maquis | generally, the girl geeks have a tendency to not throw a fit over that type of stuff because they're tired of fighting over it, and many of them have gotten the attitude that they're just going to have to live with it in their field |
| 18:13.05 | steve8track | I agree with maquis, if you offend people, they won't come, and since more people are still using Windows, I think we need to cater to what would invite people, not drive them away. |
| 18:13.08 | maquis | but if ubuntu wants to pull in more people, particularly the non-computer-programmer side of the female community, they're going to have to make some adjustments before they turn away that group |
| 18:17.26 | nearn | wow, I stop coming in here and looks what happens. |
| 18:17.28 | Zelut | we should stand out compared to the other communities and this is one way that we can try to do that. |
| 18:18.54 | steve8track | atoponce: I really like learning about encription, and I don't know what I missed from the previous meeting, but at the end of the meeting was where I was lost until you helped me, because the meeting quickly changed from a training meeting to a meeting where everyone already were experts. What I mean is, maybe we could have gone over on the screen how to set up our keys step by step. Sometimes people are afraid to ask, and |
| 18:19.19 | steve8track | Zelut: Do you mean stand out by being better? More inviting by being clean? |
| 18:20.23 | steve8track | atoponce: either way, thanks for the help, it was much appreciated. |
| 18:24.46 | steve8track | Everyone gone now? |
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| 18:26.02 | steve8track | so quiet... |
| 18:26.29 | nearn | it happens. or i should say work happens. |
| 18:27.07 | maquis | (got distracted by management-style discussion with a mentor) |
| 18:27.16 | Yorokobi | until a matter to energy converter is invented, people will leave for lunch (or bring a lunch). |
| 18:27.26 | maquis | :) |
| 18:27.52 | maquis | speaking of which, it's time for lunch! |
| 18:30.00 | steve8track | atoponce: I had a question about something you did on Saturday... I wanted to learn how to set up a command like you did, such as "connecthome". I figure you probably just put some code into /usr/local/bin/, but was it just a bash script? I thought it had to be executable there? |
| 18:33.49 | sontek | steve8track: you can put bash scripts in there, as long as they are executable (+x) |
| 18:33.57 | sontek | and it can be in any location thats in your $PATH |
| 18:34.54 | Yorokobi | steve8track, or aliased to explicitly call /bin/bash |
| 18:35.21 | sontek | so you just need to make a bash script that does something like ssh -D 8080 server_to_tunnel_to |
| 18:36.01 | steve8track | ok, that brings up another few questions... How do I set path? and what are the default paths? how do I see what paths I have? Path is something that I never got down, though I have done some scripting using shortcuts instead |
| 18:36.15 | Yorokobi | or, more elegantly, use .ssh/config to configure everything on the SSH end, then have the script simply use 'ssh SOCKS' |
| 18:36.28 | steve8track | Thanks by the way, for the help |
| 18:36.43 | Yorokobi | where SOCKS is a host alias in the config for an actual host |
| 18:39.36 | Zelut | I use the .config file too. |
| 18:40.41 | steve8track | well, I've written an ever so complicated script that does echo "hello world" and now I want to add it my path. How do I do that? |
| 18:41.18 | sontek | steve8track: do echo $PATH and see what directories are in it, and then copy your script to one of them |
| 18:41.23 | sontek | steve8track: or you can add a path to it |
| 18:41.27 | sontek | and store all your scripts there |
| 18:41.36 | Zelut | steve8track: you can run it with ./script.sh |
| 18:41.53 | sontek | I have ~/.scripts/ in my path so that any script I throw in there I can just launch without doing ./ |
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| 18:43.34 | steve8track | I made a directory where I want to store my personal scripts, how do I add it's path? |
| 18:44.05 | Yorokobi | PATH=$PATH:/home/yourname/scripts; export PATH |
| 18:44.17 | sontek | export PATH=$PATH:/home/sontek/.scripts |
| 18:44.52 | steve8track | sontek: so if the script has .scripts in it, then it makes it so I just type the text file name? |
| 18:45.16 | steve8track | sorry, if the *\directory has |
| 18:45.38 | steve8track | and is the first and later command do the same thing? |
| 18:46.09 | sontek | yeah, any script/applicationed stored in any directory located in the $PATH variable can be executed just by typing its name |
| 18:46.23 | sontek | you can also type "which name" to find out exactly where its executing from |
| 18:46.29 | steve8track | ok |
| 18:46.39 | Yorokobi | steve8track, the command I provided is the Bash-approved format, the one sontek used works just as well |
| 18:47.18 | steve8track | thanks |
| 18:49.07 | steve8track | Yippe, it worked! |
| 18:50.02 | steve8track | That's awesome, now I feel like I can customize my terminal more rather than just my GUI |
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| 19:27.44 | Zelut | echo echo echo echo |
| 19:28.42 | steve8track | echo "anyone out there?" |
| 19:28.50 | steve8track | echo "hello world?" |
| 19:28.57 | undertakingyou | echo |
| 19:29.20 | Yorokobi | Too bad ubuntu doesn't have the repeat command available |
| 19:29.43 | steve8track | what's that? what OS does? give an example? |
| 19:30.31 | Yorokobi | Solaris has it. repeat 10 echo "echo" would output 'echo' 10 times. |
| 19:31.07 | nearn | try the "yes" command |
| 19:31.16 | atoponce | steve8track: it's just an alias |
| 19:31.23 | nearn | ie "yes I love teh linox" |
| 19:31.41 | atoponce | alias connecthome='ssh aaron@remote.server ...' |
| 19:32.46 | steve8track | Thanks |
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| 19:36.57 | steve8track | can you limit how many times it prints? |
| 19:37.29 | steve8track | what could it be used for anyway? |
| 19:38.54 | nearn | I dont think so |
| 19:39.27 | Yorokobi | Zelut, ping |
| 19:44.20 | {phoenyx} | I'm more sensitive to crude/sexist language now that I have a wife and daughter (and that's not a bad thing). |
| 19:45.57 | nearn | on that note please pardon the language of the link that I am about to drop. it is linux related though. |
| 19:46.03 | nearn | http://commandline.org.uk/2007/ditch-the-bitch-with-bash-history/ |
| 19:46.24 | thaddeusq | {phoenyx}: reading through the CoC after our previous discussion here, I can see where what was said violated this part: "It's important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one." |
| 19:48.32 | thaddeusq | I would say that it violates that portion even if only one person feels uncomfortable. Maybe only one person had the guts to say something. |
| 19:49.06 | Zelut | thaddeusq: thank you. |
| 19:54.44 | {phoenyx} | I guess what I'm saying is that I would be hesitant to bring my wife to a meeting or teach my daughter about ubuntu (yeah, she's only 2 rght now, but I have geeky hopes...) if that's what they'd be exposed to |
| 19:55.28 | thaddeusq | {phoenyx}: agreed |
| 19:55.59 | undertakingyou | Wow, I must have really missed what caused all the uproar. I don't want to pull out the hatchet, but it sounds bad. |
| 19:58.17 | maquis | i happen to know that it has turned some girls away from hanging out with linux geeks in the past |
| 19:58.52 | maquis | and i know that guys don't always realize that |
| 19:59.23 | maquis | the idea of "just get used to it" just bugs me |
| 20:01.56 | undertakingyou | may be a dumb question, but is there anywhere that logs of the IRC are kept? |
| 20:02.49 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, public logs or logs for sessions you've been signed in for (local logs)? |
| 20:03.24 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: public. I don't stay signed in all the time. |
| 20:03.55 | Yorokobi | I don't know if this channel has public logs but others (like #kubuntu, for example) do. |
| 20:03.56 | {phoenyx} | jbot logs the channels he/she/its in |
| 20:05.17 | {phoenyx} | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23ubuntu-utah/ |
| 20:07.08 | Zelut | Yorokobi: pong |
| 20:07.44 | Zelut | yeah, we are logged publically |
| 20:09.00 | Yorokobi | Zelut, nm, I just found what I was looking for. Thanks. |
| 20:09.29 | Zelut | ok. |
| 20:10.22 | Yorokobi | huh ... I can't decrypt the launchpad OpenPGP confirmation instructions ... |
| 20:16.35 | Zelut | herlo: I just realize you haven't signed my key. |
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| 20:24.18 | Yorokobi | Is there a way to delete/remove/revoke an ElGamel key? |
| 20:29.22 | heartsbane | ~quote scox |
| 20:30.07 | heartsbane | Come on, it just should be traded on pink sheets |
| 20:55.20 | herlo | Zelut: I have, just haven't updated yet |
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| 22:42.01 | Zelut | herlo: well update it man. i'm greedy and want all the sigs i can get lol |
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| 22:44.08 | herlo | Zelut: will do it tonight |
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