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| 01:36.29 | Zelut | ok, this might be an odd question but how can I see if my drive is mounted using atime? |
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| 01:37.41 | Zelut | just been reading this: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/142133638/article.pl |
| 01:41.33 | Zelut | just add the ,noatime to the fstab is all? |
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| 02:12.47 | herlo | Zelut: we were just talking about that today at work... |
| 02:13.36 | Zelut | relatime sounds like a good improvemnt. what'd you come up with at work? |
| 02:14.46 | herlo | we didn't discuss improvements other than using noatime |
| 02:17.00 | Zelut | well I'm going to try it. surprised I didn't know about it before |
| 02:21.23 | herlo | yeah, which didn't you know about? noatime? or relatime? |
| 02:28.01 | Zelut | well atime and noatime are familiar but I'm surprised I haven't been using it. relatime is new |
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| 02:54.34 | herlo | Zelut: so how do you think up a new thing to learn each day? |
| 02:54.51 | Zelut | herlo: on the blog? or.. |
| 02:55.03 | herlo | Zelut: I've struggled with that mostly. That's why I think my blog is suffering, that, plus the Conference taking all my time lately |
| 02:55.21 | Zelut | yeah, I'm sure UTOS takes all the time. |
| 02:55.22 | herlo | Zelut: in the blog, or just in general |
| 02:55.42 | Zelut | I am always on the lookout for blog items considering I have so many readers. I know if I stop they'll stop. |
| 02:55.51 | Zelut | I have notes and lists in tomboy of ideas. |
| 02:55.57 | herlo | Zelut: that last comment reeks of Sarcasm |
| 02:56.11 | Zelut | anytime I poke my head into a new topic personally it's a pending blog post. |
| 02:56.23 | herlo | Zelut: ahh, that's a good one. I should follow through with many of my ideas. You force yourself to post every day or so right? |
| 02:56.46 | Zelut | I do really push for one per day, yeah |
| 02:57.39 | Zelut | at this point I have a long list pending for automatix. |
| 02:57.43 | herlo | Zelut: I need to develop the habit |
| 02:57.49 | Zelut | I've got to finish and revise the macbook tutorial. |
| 02:57.54 | herlo | I've got a lot I could talk about with regard to the Fedora community |
| 02:58.01 | herlo | I just need to start doing it. |
| 02:58.12 | Zelut | at this point I can also go back to my archives and do revisions 'hack-the-hacks' and updates for gutsy, etc. |
| 02:58.21 | herlo | yeah |
| 02:59.03 | herlo | apparently, tomboy got uninstalled somehow from my upgrade |
| 02:59.06 | herlo | reinstalling |
| 02:59.36 | Zelut | I just noticed tracker, the new 'this is better than beagle default', was eating more of my i/o than beagle |
| 03:00.37 | herlo | that sucks |
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| 03:01.13 | Zelut | gladly though, no show stopping bugs in gutsy. alpha 4 comes out tomorrow. |
| 03:01.47 | herlo | Test 1 just came out for F8 |
| 03:01.49 | Zelut | gutsy will be a nice improvement |
| 03:01.51 | herlo | on 8/6 |
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| 03:22.23 | herlo | Zelut: looks like F7 is doing noatime by default on install/upgrade |
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| 04:25.40 | heartsbane | Night all |
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| 06:11.08 | findlay | hello |
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| 10:03.15 | fizz | anyone alive in here? |
| 12:19.33 | Zelut | morning |
| 12:42.49 | atoponce | morning |
| 12:55.40 | Zelut | I'm ready to get home to Utah tomorrow! |
| 13:07.55 | herlo | Zelut: where are you flying through tomorrow and when? |
| 14:22.55 | Zelut | gutsy tribe 4 released. pease help test if you can. |
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| 14:37.32 | tristanbob | atoponce: wanna hear my simple breakdown of the GPL? |
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| 14:38.00 | tristanbob | 1. Source code must be available if you distribute the GPL software |
| 14:38.21 | tristanbob | 2. Any derivatives of the GPL software must also be licensed under the GPL |
| 14:38.24 | tristanbob | thats it! |
| 14:39.05 | tristanbob | perhaps I need to add something about modification... |
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| 17:18.00 | opapo | stupid question: are these imacs you are talking about intel based? |
| 17:19.18 | Yorokobi | Up to 2.8GHz dual-core Intel processor |
| 17:20.13 | Yorokobi | ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with 128MB of GDDR3 dedicated video memory |
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| 18:00.20 | moriancumer | moriancumer: |
| 18:01.17 | moriancumer | moriancumer: |
| 18:02.10 | Zelut | only thing I don't like is the ATI. I prefer intel video now |
| 18:02.46 | Yorokobi | Does Intel offer an HD video chip? |
| 18:03.00 | Zelut | not sure. |
| 18:03.21 | Zelut | I know I can do enough of the 3d graphics (beryl, etc) on this intel chip and I don't do gaming so it's plenty for me |
| 18:03.39 | sontek_ | Hey, do you goes know if there is a way to move a currently running process to a screen? |
| 18:04.05 | sontek_ | intel's drivers are amazing |
| 18:04.29 | Yorokobi | sontek_, I tried using bg/fg but that didn't work. My guess is: no. |
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| 18:08.56 | Zelut | that would be very cool, but I've never figured it out. |
| 18:09.13 | Zelut | start with screen, or bg/fg is the best you get as far as I know. |
| 18:13.42 | herlo | question, I want to boot a CD ROM from grub, how do I do it? |
| 18:14.08 | herlo | not a grub boot CDROM |
| 18:15.41 | Zelut | can you do that? |
| 18:15.53 | herlo | Zelut: apparently |
| 18:15.59 | herlo | Zelut: I've seen something like that before |
| 18:16.03 | Zelut | wouldn't cdrom boot be prior to grub? |
| 18:16.04 | Zelut | hmm |
| 18:16.21 | herlo | Zelut: yes, but what if you just wanted to ignore the BIOS and/or have no access to the bios |
| 18:16.34 | herlo | and CDRom was after HDD |
| 18:16.51 | herlo | I know I am gonna get these questions if I post it too. |
| 18:16.57 | herlo | but its a good topic for a tutorial |
| 18:17.23 | sontek_ | herlo: you just have to use chainloader |
| 18:17.28 | sontek_ | herlo: like if you dual boot with windows |
| 18:20.13 | thaddeusq | herlo: not really sure what you're asking, but, in GRUB you can specify a device type of cd instead of hd |
| 18:21.01 | herlo | thaddeusq: who? |
| 18:21.03 | herlo | how? |
| 18:21.12 | herlo | sontek_: I don't like the idea of chainloader. |
| 18:21.36 | herlo | sontek_: but I'm curious if its related to the Windows boot loader on the cd or if that's the eltorito thing |
| 18:21.42 | findlay | herlo: http://gentoo-wiki.com/index.php?title=GRUB/Chainloaded_CD-ROM |
| 18:22.01 | herlo | findlay: been ther |
| 18:22.04 | thaddeusq | herlo: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html |
| 18:22.14 | herlo | findlay: I don't want to have to choose from another menu |
| 18:22.28 | herlo | findlay: I want to have to choose the CD from GRUB |
| 18:22.43 | findlay | herlo: yeah I don't reccommend that one either, but you can rig it to load automatically if you choose the 'cd' option from the grub menu |
| 18:22.48 | thaddeusq | herlo: I'm assuming instead of (hd0,0) you use (cd) |
| 18:22.50 | herlo | thaddeusq: no, I don't want a CD that boots grub |
| 18:22.55 | findlay | heh |
| 18:23.04 | findlay | s/t// |
| 18:23.09 | herlo | thaddeusq: I want GRUB to boot a CD in stage 2 |
| 18:23.43 | herlo | findlay: yeah, I've been hunting in google for a good 30minutes and all I get are how to build a GRUB CD |
| 18:23.46 | thaddeusq | herlo: so set root in GRUB to be (cd) |
| 18:23.47 | herlo | and the SBM thing |
| 18:23.47 | Gate | hm. shouldn't be too hard to point a boot option to /dev/cdrom |
| 18:23.54 | herlo | thaddeusq: okay |
| 18:24.16 | Gate | just point a chainloader option to CD |
| 18:24.53 | herlo | Gate: I've heard that one, but isn't that related to the CD itself? Don't I have to tell it to boot a particular file or something |
| 18:24.55 | Gate | hm..... I will try it. I have a bootable CD around here somewhere.... |
| 18:24.59 | Gate | no. |
| 18:25.09 | herlo | thaddeusq: how do I specify cd? |
| 18:25.13 | Gate | just like you tell grub to boot a partition on windows |
| 18:25.17 | thaddeusq | root (cd) |
| 18:25.18 | herlo | root (cd) |
| 18:25.21 | thaddeusq | :) |
| 18:25.24 | herlo | root (cd0) - no luck |
| 18:25.34 | herlo | thaddeusq: RHEL5 |
| 18:25.50 | Yorokobi | root=/dev/cdrom |
| 18:25.56 | thaddeusq | According to the documentation for GRUB root (cd) should work. |
| 18:26.00 | herlo | Yorokobi: grub doesn't know about that |
| 18:26.07 | herlo | thaddeusq: huh |
| 18:26.25 | Yorokobi | huh ... root=grub_default_blah boot=/dev/cdrom |
| 18:26.27 | herlo | thaddeusq: where is that little tidbit of knowledge in the grub docs? |
| 18:26.28 | Yorokobi | ?? |
| 18:26.29 | UtahBot | ??[x]: Usage: ?? <word> [> nick] |
| 18:27.12 | findlay | herlo, thaddeusq: as far as I know grub can't boot El Torito |
| 18:27.15 | thaddeusq | herlo Did you read the page that I sent or just see the term "Making a GRUB bootable CDROM" and thought, "nope I don't want to do that." |
| 18:27.57 | thaddeusq | herlo: The last line said: "You can use the device (cd) to access a CD-ROM in your config file. This is not required; GRUB automatically sets the root device to (cd) when booted from a CD-ROM. It is only necessary to refer to (cd) if you want to access other drives as well." |
| 18:28.58 | findlay | thaddeusq: so you're saying it's possible to set the root device to (cd)? |
| 18:29.21 | Gate | why not? |
| 18:29.36 | thaddeusq | findlay: That's the way I read it, but I haven't tried it myself. |
| 18:29.46 | findlay | because then grub has to understand how to read and boot the CD |
| 18:29.49 | herlo | thaddeusq: just making sure |
| 18:29.57 | findlay | and from what I've learned grub can't do that |
| 18:30.19 | Gate | the BIOS will do that. |
| 18:30.24 | thaddeusq | findlay: how do you take that quote that I posted? |
| 18:30.26 | herlo | Gate: I know |
| 18:30.45 | herlo | thaddeusq: I get it |
| 18:31.21 | findlay | thaddeusq: I'm not sure |
| 18:31.22 | herlo | thaddeusq: there's a cd in the drive that I know is bootable and yet grub can't seem to locate it |
| 18:31.46 | findlay | the way I understand it the grub devs don't care about booting CDs because all modern bioses do that now |
| 18:32.58 | herlo | findlay: but I've seen htings that will boot from grub to a CD before, just been a while |
| 18:35.17 | herlo | or at least most people, just us geeks |
| 18:35.21 | Gate | hold on, I am altering my menu.lst |
| 18:35.33 | Gate | will reboot and test it out |
| 18:38.02 | thaddeusq | apparently (cd) is only available as a device type if you boot from a cd |
| 18:38.26 | herlo | that sucks |
| 18:38.31 | thaddeusq | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Device-syntax.html |
| 18:38.40 | herlo | Gate could have just done it from grub prompt |
| 18:39.16 | thaddeusq | herlo: You're not alone in your desire: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2006-October/133482.html |
| 18:39.44 | herlo | thaddeusq: I know, I've seen lots of questions about it, but no real answers |
| 18:40.05 | thaddeusq | That means you'll be a hero when you figure it out! |
| 18:40.31 | herlo | thaddeusq: something like that |
| 18:40.44 | herlo | thaddeusq: thanks for the memories |
| 18:40.53 | herlo | thaddeusq: or the fish |
| 18:45.08 | atoponce | jbot: say atoponce |
| 18:45.09 | jbot | atoponce |
| 18:48.18 | {phoenyx} | jbot: say atoponce is in love with his own name |
| 18:48.19 | jbot | atoponce is in love with his own name |
| 18:48.20 | herlo | jbot: say atoponce is funny |
| 18:48.21 | jbot | atoponce is funny |
| 18:48.28 | herlo | jbot: say looking |
| 18:48.29 | jbot | looking |
| 18:48.40 | Zelut | jbot: say herlo is retarded |
| 18:48.40 | jbot | herlo is retarded |
| 18:48.44 | Zelut | ~w00t |
| 18:48.45 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 18:48.54 | herlo | ~poo Zelut |
| 18:48.54 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at Zelut |
| 18:48.57 | herlo | ~cook Zelut |
| 18:48.58 | jbot | ACTION throws Zelut in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks Zelut on 350 for an hour |
| 18:49.01 | herlo | ~monkey Zelut |
| 18:49.02 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at Zelut |
| 18:49.09 | Zelut | ~rlart |
| 18:49.10 | jbot | gives Hunding_ a good seeing to |
| 18:49.13 | herlo | ~pee Zelut |
| 18:49.14 | jbot | ACTION unzips his pants and tinkles on the head of Zelut |
| 18:56.05 | atoponce | ~boo |
| 18:56.06 | jbot | for heaven's sake, atoponce, don't do that! |
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| 18:59.41 | Gate | 2 minutes to test boot menu. 20 to get reconnected to my bloody internet...... |
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| 19:01.22 | herlo | Gate: did it owrk? |
| 19:06.46 | atoponce | ~boo |
| 19:06.47 | jbot | for heaven's sake, atoponce, don't do that! |
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| 19:22.33 | findlay | herlo: kexec |
| 19:26.29 | findlay | boot a custom isolinux system or something that then kexec's a kernel on a mounted CD |
| 19:26.57 | herlo | findlay: tx, looking it up now |
| 19:27.00 | findlay | grub may not know how to read eltorito, but linux can read iso9660 |
| 19:27.35 | findlay | the trick from that point is handing over control to the kernel image from the CD |
| 19:29.57 | herlo | findlay: grub can read eltorito |
| 19:30.24 | findlay | hm |
| 19:31.35 | herlo | findlay: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html - this talks about exactly that |
| 19:33.42 | findlay | herlo: but with that way you can't boot any arbitrary CD |
| 19:35.02 | herlo | findlay: I agree |
| 19:35.16 | herlo | findlay: also there's Grub 2, as opposed to the currently running 0.97 version |
| 19:35.25 | herlo | http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ |
| 19:35.46 | herlo | findlay: which apparently might be able to boot to cd out of the box. Still researching |
| 19:36.04 | findlay | yeah |
| 20:01.36 | Zelut | if I have a column of numbers stripped from a file with grep and cut is there a way I can pipe those to bc or something for use in basic addition? |
| 20:03.37 | findlay | sure |
| 20:04.44 | Zelut | findlay: I tried | bc but that didn't seem to work. What is the proper usage? |
| 20:05.35 | findlay | I've never figured out how to use bc, but I know it can read from standar input |
| 20:05.53 | Zelut | is there another way you would do it? |
| 20:06.07 | findlay | PERL! |
| 20:06.20 | Zelut | lol I should have known |
| 20:06.27 | findlay | but bc should probably work |
| 20:06.53 | Zelut | well so far I have ' cat file | grep Q3 | cut -d "=" -f2 | ', which gives me a long column of numbers. |
| 20:07.03 | Zelut | I would actually like to avg the output. |
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| 20:16.03 | Ziox | great. |
| 20:16.46 | Ziox | so, no one likes my ATI X1300 AGP card. (os's) no beryl...no games. Sigh. |
| 20:19.53 | Zelut | ati is trouble. go intel if you ask me |
| 20:21.46 | fizz | i made that mistake last year... X1300 PCIE. i thought it would be so cool. OOPS. |
| 20:22.06 | fizz | it runs fine without beryl though. just use the closed source drivers. |
| 20:28.57 | herlo | Zelut: use $(( )) |
| 20:29.25 | Zelut | herlo: I'm familiar with $(( )) but not sure how to get it all in there properly |
| 20:30.31 | findlay | use $((( ))) |
| 20:30.54 | findlay | or $({[({[ ]})]}) |
| 20:31.18 | findlay | $<({[<({[ ]}>)]})> |
| 20:31.25 | sontek_ | hey, stop writing in LISP! |
| 20:31.27 | sontek_ | ;) |
| 20:32.43 | findlay | that will actually otimize your kernel and autmatically bid on all all ebay pocket protector sales |
| 20:55.48 | Zelut | you're all chumps. maquis solved it in ~2min |
| 20:55.49 | maquis | solution to zelut's problem: |
| 20:56.02 | maquis | <get list of numbers here> | perl -e '$a=0;$b=0;while(<>){$a++;$b+=$_;}print $b/$a."\n";' |
| 20:58.57 | Zelut | I think I may blog it and see if anyone else has solutions. |
| 20:59.00 | Yorokobi | heh, that could result in a divide by zero error. |
| 21:00.22 | Zelut | it gave me the output I wanted |
| 21:01.23 | herlo | maquis used perl, I would have used bash |
| 21:10.21 | Zelut | herlo: I'd like to see your solution to compare |
| 21:10.34 | Zelut | I couldn't get bash to work.. still hacking it. |
| 21:14.58 | herlo | Zelut: almost done |
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| 21:24.41 | atoponce | can anyone cofirm 9GB in their gmail account? |
| 21:24.47 | atoponce | of storage space? |
| 21:25.09 | herlo | You are currently using 427 MB (14%) of your 2886 MB |
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| 21:25.42 | atoponce | "You are currently using 392 MB (13%) of your 2886 MB." |
| 21:25.43 | atoponce | for me |
| 21:26.34 | Zelut | You are currently using 653 MB (22%) of your 2886 MB. |
| 21:30.40 | Hunding | You are currently using 249 MB (8%) of your 2886 MB. |
| 21:31.51 | atoponce | does anyone have a picasa account? some are speculating that is the kicker |
| 21:32.37 | Zelut | nope |
| 21:32.57 | Yorokobi | picasa: You are currently using 35 MB (3%) of your 1024 MB |
| 21:33.10 | Yorokobi | It went up to 1GB recently |
| 21:33.13 | atoponce | Yorokobi: what about your gmail account? |
| 21:33.18 | maquis | Yorokobi: sure.. i didn't block against divide-by-zero, but meh |
| 21:33.21 | Yorokobi | 2886 MB available |
| 21:33.32 | atoponce | hmmm.... maybe it's just a meme hoak |
| 21:33.36 | atoponce | s/k/x/ |
| 21:35.34 | Hunding | this is my picsa account: You are currently using 278 MB (27%) of your 1024 MB. |
| 21:36.05 | atoponce | Yorokobi: Hunding: either of you using picasa premium? |
| 21:36.11 | Yorokobi | I am not |
| 21:36.14 | Hunding | nope..not me |
| 21:36.14 | atoponce | http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-08-09-n43.html |
| 21:37.36 | Yorokobi | Google may be rolling out 9GB X number of accounts at a time ... |
| 21:38.16 | atoponce | yeah. i'm not too worried. i have a ways to go. just find it interesting, and wondered if anyone could reproduce it |
| 21:40.02 | tristanbob | Zelut: are you aware of the GUI way to delete your keyring? |
| 21:41.24 | herlo | Zelut: cat afile | cut -d" " -f1 | while read value; do count=$(( $count+1 )); val=$((val+$value)); echo "scale=2; $val/$count" | bc -l | cut -c1-5; done; |
| 21:41.45 | herlo | Zelut: you'll have to parse out the values correctly with those first two pipes |
| 21:42.06 | herlo | Zelut: correction: cat afile | cut -d" " -f1 | while read value; do count=$(( $count+1 )); val=$((val+$value)); echo "scale=2; $val/$count" | bc -l; done; |
| 21:43.37 | tristanbob | Yorokobi: errr -- "System > Administration > Keyring Manager > Keyring > Delete Keyring" |
| 21:43.53 | tristanbob | although I think that requires the existing keyring password to use |
| 21:43.58 | tristanbob | so never mind me :) |
| 21:44.01 | Zelut | exactly |
| 21:44.07 | tristanbob | :) doh! |
| 21:44.28 | tristanbob | Zelut: I used your method already and it worked |
| 21:44.38 | tristanbob | although my upgrade to gutsy isn't working |
| 21:44.52 | tristanbob | I see the update manager, and the new version is available |
| 21:45.09 | Zelut | make sure you have 'ubuntu-desktop package completely installed |
| 21:45.12 | tristanbob | but when I click on it, it starts to download for 2 seconds, but then nothing happens |
| 21:45.21 | Zelut | did you rewrite your sources list or you're doing it gui? |
| 21:45.25 | tristanbob | ok - how to check? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop |
| 21:45.36 | tristanbob | I might have modified sources... not sure |
| 21:45.50 | tristanbob | I was useing you update-manager command on blog |
| 21:46.04 | Zelut | make sure you don't have anything other than ubuntu main repos in the sources |
| 21:46.09 | Zelut | comment the others out. |
| 21:46.17 | Zelut | sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop |
| 21:46.32 | Zelut | after that you can try 'gksudo "update-manager -c -d"' |
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| 22:11.24 | moriancumer | What is the best way to bulk resize jpg's. |
| 22:14.36 | Zelut | imagemagick and a loop or something I'd guess..? |
| 22:19.09 | moriancumer | I could swear there is a app that will do this. |
| 22:19.29 | moriancumer | I just can't for the life of me remember |
| 22:24.45 | tristanbob | Zelut: after installing 80 something updates and rebooting, the upgrade worked |
| 22:26.06 | Zelut | cool |
| 22:37.49 | moriancumer | it is imagemagick. convert -resize *.jpg |
| 22:38.17 | moriancumer | with WxH after the -resize option |
| 22:49.42 | atoponce | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2007/08/pay-for-more-gmail-storage.html |
| 22:49.47 | atoponce | there's my answer |
| 22:52.15 | maquis | ~coolname moriancumer |
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| 22:56.47 | atoponce | but moriancumer was the brother of jared, not jared himself... |
| 22:56.57 | atoponce | /whois moriancumer |
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