| 00:07.26 | clutchmm | this is strange, the public key update script runs fine until it tries to get the keys from subkeys.pgp.net and then it just times out at each key, but I can connect to the same site with my web browser but it takes forever to load. The guy that was helping me said I could try using traceroute but that it would only tell me what problems my isp has(could that also explain my vcn issue from here) and that I should try another key server.... then he had |
| 00:14.43 | atoponce | nurn: pong |
| 00:25.18 | clutchmm | woo hoo!! my feisty ps3 installation instructions got good reviews |
| 00:31.35 | nurn | huh? |
| 00:34.32 | nurn | msg me the link. I have a ps3 that i want to hacks |
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| 01:00.29 | clutchmm | nurn: did you get that? |
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| 01:45.28 | clutchmm | well, I'm out of here for now, see you guys later |
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| 01:54.03 | Zelut | hmm.. can't seem to change my account password within bitlbee. |
| 01:56.56 | atoponce | nurn: poooong... |
| 01:59.47 | Zelut | anyone guess how much fun I'm having setting up a classroom of SLES10 right now? |
| 02:00.02 | atoponce | lots, i'm sure |
| 02:01.55 | atoponce | ~suse |
| 02:01.59 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, suse is a fine desktop oriented distribution now renamed to openSUSE http://opensuse.org |
| 02:02.22 | atoponce | holy crap! that took two minutes for a factoid? |
| 02:02.36 | atoponce | i think timriker needs a memo sent |
| 02:07.50 | atoponce | jbot: no, suse is a novell linux distribution, making it spawn of the devil |
| 02:07.52 | jbot | atoponce: okay |
| 02:17.36 | Yorokobi | Well, some would call it inevitable: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/14/0018242&from=rss |
| 02:24.33 | nurn | i did thxz |
| 02:46.50 | Zelut | bbiab |
| 03:54.51 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
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| 04:09.48 | Hearts|Laptop | Night all |
| 06:33.17 | sontek | Zelut: so do you like suse or rh more? =) |
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| 12:51.51 | sontek | gah1 |
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| 12:56.40 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: What was that svn link for vim again. I'm on my desktop and want to set it up there. |
| 12:57.39 | Yorokobi | undertakingyou, svn co svn://jbother.org/usr/local/svn/vim && cd vim && sh woot.sh |
| 12:59.39 | undertakingyou | Yorokobi: perfect, thanks. |
| 13:01.11 | Yorokobi | np, undertakingyou |
| 14:02.40 | Zelut | sontek: SuSE looks prettier but I think I prefer RHEL |
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| 14:58.25 | maquis | weird... |
| 14:58.34 | maquis | one of my teammates was already here when i got into office |
| 14:58.53 | sontek_ | :D |
| 14:59.11 | sontek_ | Yeah, I got here at 6:30 today and everyone else except the Architect was already here |
| 14:59.20 | sontek_ | We launched one of our biggest clients sites today |
| 14:59.23 | sontek_ | so we came in early =) |
| 14:59.45 | sontek_ | They have over 600 people registered and it launched at 7:30 |
| 14:59.51 | sontek_ | and our callcenter lights aren't stopping |
| 15:10.11 | maquis | wow |
| 15:10.39 | maquis | yeah... this guy who's never here til 11 at the earliest is in already... he got here at 4 this morning cuz he's been working on something all morning |
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| 15:21.49 | sontek_ | nice =) atleast he wants to get it done |
| 15:22.09 | sontek_ | Yeah, my best friend Joe is our chief architect, I've never seen him awake before 9 |
| 15:22.19 | sontek_ | he usually gets here between 10:30 and 11 |
| 15:22.29 | maquis | that sounds like most of my team |
| 15:22.33 | sontek_ | but hes so brilliant its ok :P |
| 15:22.40 | maquis | which is why i was so startled at *anyone* from my team being here before me |
| 15:22.52 | sontek_ | I'm in by 7:30/8 because my dogs don't like to sleep past 6 :P |
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| 16:22.49 | Hunding | is it possible to install KDE when gnome is already installed, and if so, can I switch back easy to switch back to gnome in the event that I don't like KDE? |
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| 16:26.23 | Brizz | yes, but not easily |
| 16:26.32 | Brizz | actually |
| 16:26.38 | Brizz | maybe it is easy, I've never tried to switch back |
| 16:26.45 | tonedevf | Hunding: why not try the kubuntu disc? |
| 16:26.48 | Brizz | but to installed kde just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop |
| 16:27.28 | synic | it's easy to switch back and forth |
| 16:27.38 | herlo | Zelut: ping |
| 16:27.39 | synic | when you are at the login screen, you can choose gnome or kde... |
| 16:27.41 | Hunding | I want to give it an honest try, and I seem to be using a lot of KDE apps...but I have grown somewhat accostomped to gnome, so not sure if I really want to make the plunge and do it full time |
| 16:27.53 | Zelut | herlo: pong - we're all set this morning now |
| 16:28.17 | herlo | Zelut: sorry, fell asleep around 11 |
| 16:28.33 | maquis | ~sleep herlo |
| 16:28.35 | jbot | ACTION sends herlo to bed without supper |
| 16:28.45 | herlo | maquis: but I did have a nice dinner! |
| 16:29.10 | atoponce | synic: what's the vim script that you are using to view the project files in the left pane? |
| 16:29.20 | synic | project.vim |
| 16:38.48 | Utah_Dave | ooh, where can I get project.vim? |
| 16:39.25 | synic | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=69 |
| 16:43.00 | atoponce | synic: have you put your colorscheme on the vim site? it's nice |
| 16:43.31 | maquis | does anybody play with the non-gui side of the colorscheme? |
| 16:44.15 | synic | I haven't. I based it from another colorscheme, and I'd like to give that person credits |
| 16:44.22 | synic | but I can't remember what colorscheme it was :P |
| 16:44.25 | atoponce | heh |
| 16:44.47 | atoponce | maquis: vim instead of gvim you mean? i haven't played with any colorschemes at all. :) |
| 16:46.06 | maquis | atoponce: yeah... my colorscheme is (imho) killer for gvim, but kinda boring for regular vim |
| 16:46.20 | synic | maquis: ooh, I want to see. |
| 16:46.52 | atoponce | maquis: share. : |
| 16:46.52 | atoponce | ) |
| 16:46.52 | synic | ok... I guess I'll just put a comment at the top that says "yeah, I based this off of another scheme... if it looks like it might have been yours, you should let me know" |
| 16:46.56 | maquis | just a sec |
| 16:47.34 | Yorokobi | IMHO, elflord is a good colorscheme for console vim |
| 16:47.38 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/.vimrc |
| 16:48.07 | maquis | i think i started with someone else's colorscheme, but i changed most of it... :) |
| 16:48.11 | synic | maquis: wrong file :) |
| 16:48.18 | maquis | synic: oh... right |
| 16:48.20 | maquis | sorry... |
| 16:48.41 | synic | :) |
| 16:48.50 | maquis | http://tuxgirl.com/myColorScheme.vim |
| 16:49.32 | maquis | i've found that i have a tendency to use vim more than gvim recently... |
| 16:49.37 | maquis | even while working on my local machine |
| 16:49.56 | maquis | i run everything through screen... :) |
| 16:51.01 | synic | I'd do the same, but there are two reasons I still use gvim mostly |
| 16:51.13 | synic | I haven't found a terminal that's as fast as gvim |
| 16:51.18 | synic | and gvim allows for more colors |
| 16:55.16 | maquis | synic: true... gvim is much prettier |
| 16:55.39 | maquis | but i like being able to leave the file up and work from home or from work without losing anything |
| 16:55.44 | synic | yeah |
| 16:56.47 | maquis | if you could undo past sessions, it wouldn't be as useful :) |
| 16:57.02 | maquis | anyway... i haven't found any really good colorschemes for the terminal |
| 16:59.09 | atoponce | maquis: tango |
| 16:59.19 | atoponce | http://blog.micampe.it/articles/2006/10/20/vim-tango-color-scheme |
| 16:59.30 | atoponce | best one i've seen for the terminal |
| 16:59.44 | maquis | atoponce: cool |
| 17:00.52 | synic | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1897 |
| 17:01.07 | synic | It seems like it was desert by Hans... I can't remember. |
| 17:01.08 | synic | oh well. |
| 17:01.43 | atoponce | cool |
| 17:04.00 | synic | :set guifont=Bitstream\ Vera\ Sans\ Mono\ 8 |
| 17:09.37 | maquis | invalid font |
| 17:09.44 | maquis | i get that for everything i try |
| 17:10.12 | maquis | i've been trying :set set guifont=Courier\ 10\ Pitch\ 10 |
| 17:10.41 | synic | heh, it never tells me "invalid font" |
| 17:10.57 | synic | it always just picks some random crappy default if I mess it up |
| 17:12.17 | maquis | synic: might have something to do with version |
| 17:12.22 | maquis | weird.. selecting does weird stuff now |
| 17:12.33 | maquis | and i can't copy out of gvim... |
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| 17:31.33 | atoponce | synic: what do 'set guioptions=aegit' do? |
| 17:32.39 | synic | probably the t is not needed. |
| 17:32.50 | synic | but yeah, that will get rid of stupid gui items like the menus and toolbars |
| 17:33.09 | synic | and turn on autoselect |
| 17:38.09 | atoponce | can you set a starting directory for it to look into? |
| 17:38.39 | atoponce | and, how to get rid of the 'splash screen' ? |
| 17:38.57 | synic | splash screen? |
| 17:39.11 | synic | don't believe I've ever seen it. |
| 17:39.22 | atoponce | yeah. the version screen with brahm as the author, etc, etc |
| 17:39.29 | synic | huh. |
| 17:39.32 | atoponce | before opening a file |
| 17:39.42 | synic | oh |
| 17:40.13 | synic | do you have project.vim installed? |
| 17:40.18 | synic | try gvim +Project |
| 17:40.29 | maquis | synic: any idea about how to make it so that selecting inside of gvim copies to the buffer like ti does in everything else? |
| 17:40.47 | synic | maquis: set guioptions=+a |
| 17:41.42 | maquis | nm |
| 17:41.46 | maquis | the aegit works |
| 17:41.55 | maquis | synic: ah... sorry... i was scrolled up |
| 17:42.01 | maquis | so i didn't see your response |
| 17:42.02 | maquis | cool |
| 17:42.53 | maquis | so that helps somewhat... now i've just got to resolve my font issue |
| 17:43.11 | atoponce | ok. well, i don't want to dive into Project right now, so i was just wondering if you could disable it in your .rc directly |
| 17:43.25 | synic | dunno |
| 17:44.26 | atoponce | cool |
| 17:51.42 | atoponce | ah hah |
| 17:51.42 | atoponce | set cd=/path/to/dir/ |
| 17:51.43 | atoponce | blast! didn't work |
| 17:54.01 | Zelut | can anyone think of any examples of corporates or gov entities that are using linux on the desktop? |
| 17:54.31 | Yorokobi | Zelut, for all employees? |
| 17:54.56 | Zelut | Yorokobi: maybe not for *everyone* but large deployments |
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| 17:56.08 | synic | Zelut: does it count that our programming department uses it exclusively? |
| 17:56.43 | Zelut | synic: I'm looking for a company that people have heard of? ;) |
| 17:56.54 | synic | :P |
| 17:57.21 | maquis | Zelut: i assume you're not talking about all devs using it? |
| 17:57.51 | atoponce | ibm and novell to start |
| 17:59.46 | maquis | Zelut: what if most poeple have a linux box *and* a win box? |
| 17:59.56 | synic | xmission! |
| 18:00.55 | atoponce | introplay. :) |
| 18:05.52 | maquis | Zelut: i believe that the chinese government and a couple other asian governmnets are using linux for most/all employees |
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| 18:36.20 | Hunding | if you are using the command |
| 18:36.51 | Hunding | sudo apt-get --purge <app name> |
| 18:37.18 | Hunding | and get "E: package not found" but you know for a fact is there |
| 18:37.32 | Hunding | is there an easy remedy? |
| 18:37.46 | synic | does it show up when you type this: dpkg -l | grep <app name> ? |
| 18:37.59 | Yorokobi | Hunding, try 'sudo dpkg --purge <packagename>' (not app name) |
| 18:38.30 | Hunding | it does synic |
| 18:38.39 | Hunding | ok Yorokobi |
| 18:48.48 | maquis | Hunding: did that work? |
| 18:49.19 | Hunding | well it did...then it locked up my laptop...then it started a reboot |
| 18:49.34 | Hunding | so I am just waiting to see if it comees back to life |
| 18:49.34 | Yorokobi | What did you remove? |
| 18:49.48 | maquis | did it say anything before rebooting? |
| 18:49.51 | Hunding | vmware-server |
| 18:49.56 | maquis | particularly anything with the word "panic" in it? |
| 18:50.06 | Hunding | nothing...screen blinked a few times |
| 18:50.31 | Yorokobi | Were you using VMWare at the time? |
| 18:51.10 | Hunding | well it did have some listening connections up and running... |
| 18:51.22 | Hunding | but it came ack to life :) |
| 18:51.34 | Hunding | everything came back up normally...at least this far |
| 18:52.12 | Hunding | well dang...now the spinny cube thing works too |
| 18:52.25 | maquis | spinny cube thing? |
| 18:52.46 | Yorokobi | Beryl probably |
| 18:52.49 | Hunding | I dunno...press ctrl+alt+ arrow key and things go spinning around |
| 18:53.01 | maquis | Hunding: desktop switching... |
| 18:53.16 | Hunding | yea...but it is animated or something now |
| 18:53.32 | Yorokobi | Sounds like Beryl |
| 18:53.37 | Hunding | never was before, and my windows look like jello whenopening now too..what the heck is that all about |
| 18:53.49 | Zelut | sounds like Beryl to me |
| 18:53.54 | maquis | Hunding: try dragging the windows around |
| 18:53.58 | maquis | do they flop around? |
| 18:54.08 | Hunding | LOL...now that is funny! |
| 18:54.19 | Hunding | they make all kinds of silly movements |
| 18:55.06 | maquis | Hunding: you can turn that off, i believe |
| 18:55.20 | maquis | but the demos i've seen all looked pretty cool |
| 18:55.25 | Hunding | good! that would drive me nuts in the long term |
| 18:55.37 | maquis | Hunding: which adjective would you use to describe the windows: floppy or wobbly? |
| 18:55.43 | maquis | (or something else?) |
| 18:56.00 | Hunding | I guess I would say wobbly...like jello |
| 18:57.24 | maquis | hrm... |
| 19:05.10 | Hunding | was the "screen effects" under the admin section |
| 19:05.41 | Yorokobi | Hunding, if you're using Beryl (which you probably are) there should be a red diamond (beryl) icon in your system tray |
| 19:06.05 | Yorokobi | Use the Beryl Settings option to tweak it |
| 19:06.10 | Hunding | turned them off...everything is kewl...excpet since I install the KDE front end, my boot up screen says kubuntu (prettier than the other) but does it matter if I still want to use gnome? |
| 19:06.42 | undertakingyo1 | No, you just select your session. I do it all the time. |
| 19:06.49 | Hunding | kewl |
| 19:07.59 | Hunding | no I turned them off Yorokobi, way too many things moving around for me. I would perfer a 3270 screen persoanlly |
| 19:08.27 | Yorokobi | 3270 screen? |
| 19:08.52 | Hunding | :) green screen from the old main frames...ones we screen scrape from |
| 19:09.16 | undertakingyo1 | That scares even me. |
| 19:09.17 | Yorokobi | ah, CGA green |
| 19:10.36 | Hunding | better than stacks of punch cards :P |
| 19:10.56 | undertakingyo1 | lol |
| 19:10.57 | Hunding | wrapped in elastic bands... |
| 19:11.04 | Yorokobi | In or out of order? |
| 19:11.15 | Hunding | LOL...once they are out...good luck!! |
| 19:11.34 | Hunding | unless you were one of the smart people and numbered them... |
| 19:11.44 | Hunding | <---not one of the smart ones |
| 19:11.57 | maquis | Hunding: try evilwm if you want simplicity |
| 19:13.31 | Zelut | maquis: can I cleanly run both evil & gnome without cluttered menus? |
| 19:13.46 | Zelut | that is the biggest thing that bothers me.. duplicate menus |
| 19:13.53 | maquis | Zelut: i dunno... probably |
| 19:13.58 | maquis | evil doesn't provide its own menus |
| 19:14.05 | Hunding | really?? |
| 19:14.09 | maquis | evil *only* manages windows |
| 19:14.11 | maquis | that's *all* it does |
| 19:14.21 | Hunding | ~wiki evilwm |
| 19:14.44 | Hunding | ~google evilwm |
| 19:17.06 | maquis | Zelut: i honestly have no idea how it'll fare under a desktop |
| 19:17.13 | maquis | i use it in place of a desktop |
| 19:19.24 | Brizz | evilwm is ugly |
| 19:19.40 | maquis | Brizz: the screenshot on their website is |
| 19:19.44 | maquis | but honestly, i don't find it that ugly |
| 19:19.50 | Brizz | the screenshot on their website is hideous :) |
| 19:19.56 | Brizz | evilwm is just not pretty at all |
| 19:19.57 | Yorokobi | ion3 is a bit prettier and almost as minimalist |
| 19:20.01 | maquis | i have another app that sets a nice background for my desktop... |
| 19:20.11 | maquis | and then i've got some windows with gold borders |
| 19:20.40 | Brizz | ion3 looks nicer |
| 19:20.58 | Brizz | still not great, but you don't have a lot of wiggle room when you go that minimalist |
| 19:21.40 | maquis | it takes up screen real-estate for a title-bar |
| 19:21.42 | maquis | :( |
| 19:21.59 | Brizz | yes but that's one of my major gripes with evil |
| 19:22.17 | maquis | what do you need a title-bar for? |
| 19:22.36 | Brizz | for clicking on and seeing the name of the application, and, in some cases, getting updated information while in shade mode |
| 19:23.12 | Yorokobi | ion3's bar is more than an application/title bar, though |
| 19:24.12 | maquis | it's xterm or firefox |
| 19:25.24 | Brizz | I use more than two applications :) |
| 19:25.24 | maquis | occasionally, gvim... |
| 19:25.30 | maquis | and at home, xmms, sometimes |
| 19:25.38 | maquis | Brizz: i use lots of things inside of xterm |
| 19:26.09 | Brizz | I don't use console apps unless I hgave to |
| 19:26.37 | maquis | Brizz: ah... |
| 19:27.18 | Brizz | yah |
| 19:27.21 | Brizz | ion is kind of like that |
| 19:27.42 | Brizz | I'm more partial to BlackBox which isn't completely minimalist, but it's minimalist as far as I'm concerned |
| 19:28.55 | Zelut | i used to like xfce for minimal but its gotten bloated fast |
| 19:28.58 | nurn | Brizz: try fluxbox |
| 19:30.54 | Brizz | is it still in development? |
| 19:30.54 | maquis | flux is based off of blackbox |
| 19:30.54 | Brizz | 2007 update |
| 19:30.54 | Brizz | woo |
| 19:30.55 | Brizz | BlackBox hasn't been updated for a while the last time I checked |
| 19:31.21 | nurn | yeah flux box is still being worked on |
| 19:31.22 | nurn | that is why it is better the blackbox. becides that they are the same. |
| 19:31.38 | Brizz | does it have a windows version? |
| 19:31.44 | nurn | eeek |
| 19:31.52 | nurn | we dont ask questions like that in here |
| 19:31.55 | Brizz | ;) |
| 19:32.01 | Brizz | have to use windows for work |
| 19:32.04 | nurn | them be fighting words. |
| 19:32.22 | Brizz | right now I'm using BB4Win |
| 19:38.56 | Hunding | Zelut: did you ever get madwifi to work? |
| 19:40.01 | maquis | Brizz: do you need admin rights to install bb4win? |
| 19:40.10 | Brizz | probably |
| 19:40.12 | maquis | hrm |
| 19:40.16 | Brizz | maybe not though |
| 19:40.17 | maquis | *grumble* |
| 19:40.27 | Brizz | I think it asks you if you want to install it for all users or not so it might not |
| 19:41.20 | maquis | interesting |
| 19:41.36 | maquis | i've played a bit with little things like turning on sloppy-focus and such, but that sounds promising |
| 19:50.12 | Hunding | maquis: what was the command to trash unempty folders? rmdir -rf /files/here/ |
| 19:50.27 | maquis | rm -rf /files/here/ |
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| 19:51.08 | herlo | Hunding: rmdir removes empty dirs only |
| 19:51.35 | maquis | Opie: welcome back |
| 19:51.41 | Hunding | well that would explain why it was not working |
| 20:02.37 | Opie | thank you, good to be back |
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| 20:09.24 | atoponce | well, there you do. |
| 20:09.29 | atoponce | s/do/go/ |
| 20:09.36 | atoponce | no more #utah. :) |
| 20:10.01 | Yorokobi | Did it expire or come to some other (better) ignominious end? |
| 20:10.19 | maquis | i think he just left |
| 20:11.06 | atoponce | just me |
| 20:11.18 | atoponce | i'm just not adding anything to that channel |
| 20:11.21 | atoponce | just lurking |
| 20:11.27 | atoponce | so, rather than take up space... :) |
| 20:12.05 | atoponce | maquis: is UtahBot in #utah, or did he leave too? |
| 20:15.31 | Cerebrizz | what happened to #utah? |
| 20:16.10 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:16.23 | atoponce | i happened |
| 20:16.58 | Cerebrizz | lol |
| 20:17.47 | atoponce | i just left the channel. that's all. nothing happened there |
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| 20:18.22 | herlo | whew! I was worried that #utah had completely disappeared because atoponce had done a 'rm -rf #utah' |
| 20:18.32 | herlo | ;) |
| 20:18.47 | herlo | atoponce winks |
| 20:18.50 | Cerebrizz | we can all dream |
| 20:18.51 | Cerebrizz | :) |
| 20:19.11 | Cerebrizz | who is jayce? the owner of the channel or something? and why should we care that his baby was born/ |
| 20:19.24 | atoponce | jayce is the plug prez |
| 20:19.28 | atoponce | and channel owner |
| 20:19.38 | atoponce | and, anyone and everyone can add to that topic at will |
| 20:19.40 | Cerebrizz | plug? |
| 20:19.42 | atoponce | the channel is -t |
| 20:19.46 | atoponce | provo lug |
| 20:19.47 | Cerebrizz | oh haha |
| 20:20.00 | atoponce | speaking of topics... |
| 20:20.28 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:20.51 | atoponce | herlo: when's the utosc again? /me forgets |
| 20:21.01 | herlo | atoponce: September 6-8 |
| 20:21.46 | Cerebrizz | does anyone else find it disturbing how carefree some people are with their internet identity? |
| 20:21.46 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by atoponce -> | Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | All resources at http://www.ubuntu-utah.org | Utah Open Source Conference: Sept 6-8- http://www.utos.org | Next Meeting: TBD | |
| 20:21.50 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [-o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:22.01 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:22.06 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by atoponce -> | Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | All resources at http://www.ubuntu-utah.org | Utah Open Source Conference: Sept 6-8 http://www.utos.org | Next Meeting: TBD | |
| 20:22.10 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [-o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:23.42 | herlo | atoponce: its up on #utos too |
| 20:24.13 | herlo | atoponce: http://www.utosc.org rather |
| 20:24.33 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.22 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by atoponce -> | Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | All resources at http://www.ubuntu-utah.org | Utah Open Source Conference: Sept 6-8, http://www.utosc.org, #utos | Next Meeting: TBD | |
| 20:25.22 | *** mode/#ubuntu-utah [-o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 20:25.25 | maquis | atoponce: i don't see utahbot there |
| 20:25.27 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah Heartsbane (n=ne1469@166-70-210-101.ip.xmission.com) |
| 20:26.03 | herlo | atoponce: tx |
| 20:26.15 | maquis | Cerebrizz: in what way? |
| 20:26.30 | atoponce | herlo: np |
| 20:26.32 | atoponce | maquis: thx |
| 20:26.47 | maquis | atoponce: np |
| 20:27.50 | Cerebrizz | just posting like all their personal information on the internet |
| 20:27.50 | Cerebrizz | like birthdate and junk |
| 20:27.51 | Cerebrizz | lol |
| 20:27.51 | Cerebrizz | this video is so nuts |
| 20:27.51 | Cerebrizz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87tOFM9LmOE |
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| 20:28.51 | maquis | Cerebrizz: meh... it's their identity... |
| 20:29.19 | Cerebrizz | they keep asking him "what are you afraid of?" |
| 20:29.41 | Heartsbane | Monday's scare me |
| 20:32.42 | maquis | lacrosse balls |
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| 20:33.51 | nurn | so what is going on guys |
| 20:33.59 | Yorokobi | maquis, only if they've been picked up by the lawn mower and are hurtling toward someone (me, for example) |
| 20:34.04 | [phoenyx] | tristanbob: you're daughter's a cutie |
| 20:34.14 | nurn | atoponce: ping (did you get that pm?) |
| 20:34.14 | [phoenyx] | s/you're/your |
| 20:34.22 | tristanbob | [phoenyx]: thanks! she really is |
| 20:34.30 | tristanbob | I just got home an hour ago |
| 20:34.31 | maquis | Yorokobi: i'd rather get them from the lawnmower than from a lacrosse player's stick |
| 20:34.49 | atoponce | nurn: nope. you're not identified to nickserv. ;) |
| 20:36.04 | nurn | how about now |
| 20:37.06 | atoponce | yup |
| 20:37.09 | atoponce | got it |
| 20:39.51 | Heartsbane | Hey how does one get a custom hostmask on Freenode IRC |
| 20:39.53 | Heartsbane | ? |
| 20:40.17 | Heartsbane | Can we do that with NickServ cause I am not seeing it in the command set |
| 20:40.20 | atoponce | Heartsbane: you can ask the freenode staff for an unaffil cloak |
| 20:40.26 | atoponce | no. staff has to set it |
| 20:40.40 | Heartsbane | so #support |
| 20:40.47 | Heartsbane | right? |
| 20:40.48 | atoponce | /stats p |
| 20:40.54 | Yorokobi | Heartsbane, but you have to go through the steps outlined on the freenode website faq |
| 20:41.26 | atoponce | if no one is on /stats p, then #freenode-social, although, you have to wait a bit to get voiced, before you can chat in that channel |
| 20:42.18 | Heartsbane | so I can be tsharpe@atoponce.looked.at.my.hostmask, sorry had to harsh someone elses mellow on Monday just so I know how it feels |
| 20:42.40 | Heartsbane | k last time ever I bring that up |
| 20:42.52 | Yorokobi | Heartsbane, more likely: unaffiliated/Heartsbane |
| 20:43.21 | Heartsbane | Yorokobi: hmmm..... maybe its not that big of a deal |
| 20:43.57 | Heartsbane | I really wanted a hostmask that said tsharpe@linux.means.stability.4ever.com |
| 20:44.05 | atoponce | Heartsbane: that's up to your isp |
| 20:44.45 | Heartsbane | I know but XM has this policy about not being anonymous for your whois information last time I asked |
| 20:45.55 | Heartsbane | And I am not hosting a site at home anymore, I don't want that responsibility anymore. |
| 20:47.11 | nurn | Zelut: ping |
| 20:51.37 | findlay | Heartsbane: does your nick come from the Lord of the Rings? |
| 20:54.26 | Heartsbane | findlay: no it comes from another book, I read when I younger, I forget who wrote (its somewhere on my bookshelf), translated it means "wounded or ruined heart" |
| 21:01.19 | Cerebrizz | sounds like a sword in a fantasy book |
| 21:03.26 | Heartsbane | To me its just a nick/alias/monicker that I liked so I stuck with it |
| 21:03.58 | Heartsbane | it was either that, or be known as |
| 21:04.11 | Budd_Tugley | in IRC |
| 21:07.47 | atoponce | Heartsbane: if you're concerned with annonymity on freenode, then i would recommend getting ahold of a freenode staff and getting an unaffiliated cloak |
| 21:07.55 | atoponce | as sontek has |
| 21:08.37 | Heartsbane | atoponce: thanx, I will look into that |
| 21:10.34 | Heartsbane | atoponce: BTW I am going up to XM for lunch on Wednesday, with some friends there. I am going to hit up bphantom(aka Brad) their wireless admin about WiFi installations in the downtown area see if he knows anywhere with meeting rooms. |
| 21:10.57 | atoponce | sweet |
| 21:11.00 | atoponce | that'd be cool |
| 21:11.13 | Yorokobi | Pick me up some Coconut Khorma from the Himalayan Kitchen while you're there, Heartsbane |
| 21:11.31 | Yorokobi | mmmmm ... khorma |
| 21:11.38 | Heartsbane | I like the atomsphere of that ........ mmmmm..... Himalayan Kitchen |
| 21:12.04 | atoponce | they're good, but kinda pricey i found |
| 21:12.04 | Heartsbane | Someone derailed my train of thought, with food |
| 21:12.05 | Yorokobi | worth every penny |
| 21:13.14 | Heartsbane | yup |
| 21:14.10 | Heartsbane | But like I was saying, I liked the atomsphere of the last party, but Zelut made a good point about it felt like we interfering with the rest of thier costumers. |
| 21:14.37 | maquis | potluck |
| 21:14.43 | atoponce | i thought it was fine, it was just crowding around an lcd that was tough for me |
| 21:14.53 | atoponce | i would prefer to have a projector and screen |
| 21:15.02 | herlo | atoponce: we could solve that if I brought my projector and did it upstairs on the wall |
| 21:15.05 | Yorokobi | and air conditioning |
| 21:15.13 | atoponce | yeah. it was stuffy too |
| 21:15.20 | herlo | Yorokobi: it didn't seem hot to me, but I came late |
| 21:15.54 | Heartsbane | But we definately need a place with food, so I will be hitting up bphantom about prospects |
| 21:17.38 | herlo | Heartsbane: where's prospects? |
| 21:18.23 | Heartsbane | herlo: hehehe, sorry I meant other prospective locations |
| 21:18.51 | herlo | Heartsbane: ah, thought maybe it was a bar or something |
| 21:21.31 | herlo | private room and everything. Only need to fix the plug and wireless situation... |
| 21:23.19 | Heartsbane | agreed |
| 21:23.34 | findlay | hm, guess I was thinking of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helm_Hammerhand |
| 21:24.12 | Zelut | nurn: pong |
| 21:24.57 | Heartsbane | findlay: if your looking for a distraction http://www.glyphweb.com/ARDA/ |
| 21:26.34 | Heartsbane | herlo: I agree, but I have know Brad/bphantom for a while and he is the WiFi admin for XM, my thoughts are never hurts to pick his brain about a location that fills all the needs. |
| 21:26.57 | herlo | Heartsbane: for sure |
| 21:27.33 | herlo | Heartsbane: do you think bphantom would be interested in helping the Utah Open Source Conference? We might have a need |
| 21:28.32 | Heartsbane | I could ask that too... |
| 21:30.34 | herlo | Heartsbane: cool, no pressure really |
| 21:32.33 | Zelut | herlo: if you want to talk to Orbit and see if we can help them fix it that isn't a bad place.. |
| 21:32.41 | Zelut | herlo: but you're right, the hours aren't the best. |
| 21:32.43 | herlo | Zelut: I agree |
| 21:32.54 | herlo | Zelut: we should see if they'll extend for us |
| 21:33.07 | herlo | we'd easily be able to be there once a month for 3-4 hrs |
| 21:33.09 | sontek_ | The Salt Lake Coffee break is a good place too |
| 21:33.25 | herlo | sontek_: is that the one on 6th and Main or whatever? |
| 21:33.37 | sontek_ | Its right down the road from the roasting company |
| 21:33.52 | sontek_ | its like 4th and 4th |
| 21:33.57 | herlo | sontek_: is it just as busy as SLRC? |
| 21:33.59 | sontek_ | It gets a pretty big college crowd in there on the weekends |
| 21:34.06 | Heartsbane | isn't that the one accross from Betos? |
| 21:34.14 | fizz | it busier usually |
| 21:34.22 | sontek_ | but they have couches =) |
| 21:34.23 | fizz | yes right across the street |
| 21:34.28 | herlo | sontek_: hmm |
| 21:34.32 | herlo | couches are nice |
| 21:34.42 | fizz | sontek_: true |
| 21:34.58 | herlo | http://www.novell.com/offices/opensourcecenter.html |
| 21:35.13 | sontek_ | We can also meet at my work in the Morris Murdock building. The downside would be the doors are locked so we'd have to let everyone in |
| 21:35.39 | sontek_ | I want to checkout the ostc |
| 21:37.03 | Cerebrizz | sontek in slc? |
| 21:37.23 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, yeah, its right off the 80 free way at the state exit |
| 21:37.30 | Cerebrizz | ah |
| 21:37.41 | herlo | sontek_: come on over tomorrow at 10am |
| 21:37.55 | herlo | sontek_: what's at state and I-80? |
| 21:38.01 | sontek_ | herlo, my office |
| 21:38.06 | herlo | sontek_: oh, right |
| 21:39.53 | Cerebrizz | HEROES tonight! |
| 21:40.19 | herlo | Cerebrizz: very good eps lately too |
| 21:40.26 | Cerebrizz | yah |
| 21:40.36 | sontek_ | atoponce, I have rss feed + torrents downloading them all, need me to scp you an episode? =) |
| 21:40.36 | Cerebrizz | did you hear about that dumb Heroes: Origins thing they have planned? |
| 21:40.50 | herlo | Cerebrizz: no, what's that? |
| 21:40.57 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, I think it sounds great |
| 21:41.04 | Cerebrizz | they are doing like this dumb thing where they introduce a bunch of heroes each weak |
| 21:41.08 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, It keeps it from boring you after 3 seasons like lost |
| 21:41.10 | Cerebrizz | and you can call and vote them off of the show |
| 21:41.23 | atoponce | sontek_: no thx. i'll pass. :) |
| 21:41.24 | Cerebrizz | yah, but sontek, how are they going to make it at all interesting? |
| 21:41.30 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, oh, I didn't hear about the voting |
| 21:41.39 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, what I heard was they were going to have a new storyline each season |
| 21:41.44 | sontek_ | Cerebrizz, with different heroes |
| 21:42.15 | Cerebrizz | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272218,00.html |
| 21:42.16 | herlo | Cerebrizz: intersting |
| 21:42.34 | herlo | Cerebrizz: I think it'd be cool if they introduced different heroes each season and told one story... |
| 21:42.50 | Cerebrizz | maybe |
| 21:43.06 | Cerebrizz | the thing is, they have infinite roads to take even with the same (or mostly the same) cast |
| 21:43.24 | Cerebrizz | they have an awesome archvillain for Peter |
| 21:43.26 | herlo | true, but I like the idea of the Spanish Novela and what they do with the same cast. |
| 21:43.34 | Cerebrizz | archnemesis I mean |
| 21:43.43 | herlo | except the Spanish Novela's are soap operas. |
| 21:44.23 | sontek_ | pssh Peter is a badass, no one can touch him =) |
| 21:44.23 | herlo | but the cool part would be to have similar tracks to go down, and the characters would have similar roles, but the events play out differently |
| 21:45.43 | Cerebrizz | that would be cool |
| 21:45.48 | Cerebrizz | but they could still keep some of the same cast |
| 21:45.55 | Cerebrizz | even if it's just Peter and Hiro |
| 21:46.01 | herlo | Cerebrizz: they'd keep the whole cast |
| 21:46.08 | herlo | just maybe different names/roles |
| 21:46.10 | Cerebrizz | oh I see what you mean |
| 21:46.15 | Cerebrizz | maybe |
| 21:46.42 | herlo | yeah, I think it would show the flexibility and how good the the actor really is |
| 21:47.09 | Cerebrizz | I like their current powers though :( |
| 21:47.32 | Cerebrizz | the only character that is awful is Ali Larter's character |
| 21:47.37 | herlo | but aren't there other cool powers |
| 21:49.13 | Cerebrizz | it's been a whole season and we have no idea what the point of her character is at all |
| 21:49.13 | herlo | you don't like her character? I love the idea of a powerful split |
| 21:49.13 | herlo | Oh, but you do... |
| 21:49.13 | sontek_ | I don't think they use it enough |
| 21:49.13 | sontek_ | She either needs to learn to harness it or atleast have a power struggle |
| 21:49.13 | herlo | its just hasn't been proven yet... |
| 21:49.13 | sontek_ | she just gets owned by jessica |
| 21:49.14 | herlo | sontek_: but DL seems to have some control over her... |
| 21:49.18 | Cerebrizz | how? |
| 21:49.27 | herlo | and Micah is one who can make her melt |
| 21:49.30 | Cerebrizz | if it's a Jekyll/Hyde thing, then Jekyll never goes away |
| 21:50.18 | Hunding | how would I tell what revised version of an Athlon chip I have? |
| 21:50.19 | herlo | Cerebrizz: DL can show Jessica the things she is doing are wrong and she can't defeat him so easily just to avoid it. He's her son's father no matter who she is |
| 21:50.30 | herlo | dmidecode |
| 21:51.10 | herlo | Cerebrizz: sontek_: course, this is just my opinion |
| 21:53.54 | Cerebrizz | I dunno |
| 21:53.58 | Cerebrizz | it's just weird and makes no sense |
| 21:54.15 | sontek_ | herlo, My opinion is that every show needs a beautiful woman, and shes definitely filling the required position :D |
| 21:54.23 | Cerebrizz | lol |
| 21:54.24 | herlo | sontek_: for sure |
| 21:54.33 | Hunding | herlo: thank you |
| 21:54.36 | herlo | sontek_: but a beautiful woman who wields a gun is even better |
| 21:54.38 | herlo | Hunding: np |
| 21:54.45 | sontek_ | although now we have that shape shifter running around too =) |
| 21:54.47 | Cerebrizz | I don't find her all that attractive really |
| 21:54.49 | herlo | and if she kicks ass, even better |
| 21:54.56 | herlo | Cerebrizz: she's a model |
| 21:54.59 | maquis | wow... i walked in on the wrong part of that conversation |
| 21:55.17 | herlo | maquis: how? |
| 21:55.19 | sontek_ | maquis, I think you got here just in time for the good stuff |
| 21:55.22 | Cerebrizz | and? ;) |
| 21:55.37 | herlo | Cerebrizz: just pointing out that at least others think she's hot |
| 21:55.42 | Cerebrizz | obviously she's got a body |
| 21:55.43 | Hunding | yea, I'm kinda hooked after reading this conversation...I want to know more |
| 21:55.51 | Cerebrizz | but man, the face can be a deal breaker, and hers is just mostly average |
| 21:55.51 | herlo | maquis: we think you are hot too, but your hubby might get mad if we tried to hard |
| 21:55.54 | herlo | :) |
| 21:55.57 | maquis | herlo: true... |
| 21:56.16 | herlo | maquis: so we don't try to hard |
| 21:56.18 | maquis | but i just wasn't quite expecting the conversation when i turned back to my computer |
| 21:56.36 | herlo | maquis: we're geeks, you should expect that every time |
| 21:56.59 | herlo | Hunding: if you've not seen any eps, I'd suggest starting from the beginning |
| 21:57.20 | Hunding | what is the name of the show? |
| 21:57.23 | Cerebrizz | anyway my problem with her character is that there is no logistics to it. Is she a schizo? Or did her sister invade her body somehow? |
| 21:57.34 | Cerebrizz | she can kick butt, but can she do anything else except whine? |
| 21:58.32 | herlo | Cerebrizz: its a power, not a limitation |
| 21:58.32 | synic | atoponce: is your jabber ID broken? |
| 21:58.32 | Cerebrizz | herlo: what is the power?? |
| 21:58.32 | atoponce | synic: yeah. actually, i was just going to pm you about it |
| 21:58.36 | maquis | herlo: apparently... |
| 21:58.36 | Cerebrizz | because who she "is" gets trapped in the mirror |
| 21:58.37 | atoponce | synic: i moved from wildfire to ejabberd, and had some issues. if you want to remove my account, then re-add, it'll be fine |
| 21:58.53 | synic | atoponce: which one? |
| 21:58.59 | atoponce | aaron at aarontoponce.org |
| 21:59.01 | synic | I think I have two different ones for you. |
| 21:59.02 | synic | ok |
| 21:59.08 | atoponce | i don't use the gmail anymore |
| 21:59.14 | atoponce | for jabber, that is |
| 21:59.15 | herlo | Cerebrizz: I see that. Maybe in upcoming eps she'll break out so to speak |
| 21:59.29 | Cerebrizz | that's my problem with her character |
| 21:59.55 | Cerebrizz | throughout the whole season all we've learned is that her dad is crazy and she might also be crazy or possibly has a super power |
| 21:59.59 | herlo | because its not completely developed |
| 22:00.05 | Cerebrizz | yah |
| 22:00.23 | Cerebrizz | well comments from the cast/crew lead me to believe that the next season of the show will have the same characters |
| 22:00.23 | atoponce | you honestly don't know her 'power'? this far into the season? |
| 22:00.34 | synic | atoponce: readded |
| 22:00.39 | herlo | well, but I think that's the mystery. According to Linderman, she's definitely got super powers though... |
| 22:00.45 | Cerebrizz | yah |
| 22:00.56 | Cerebrizz | well some people have assumed that her sister has super powers |
| 22:00.59 | herlo | atoponce: I believe I know it... |
| 22:01.11 | Cerebrizz | and that possibly Niki is super strong but doesn't know it |
| 22:01.41 | herlo | its just whether her power is something she can control |
| 22:01.51 | herlo | that's why she went to the police in Utah. |
| 22:02.01 | herlo | and got herself arrested for murder |
| 22:02.13 | herlo | because she believed she couldn't control it |
| 22:02.43 | herlo | oh boy, we've dragged this conversation way down! |
| 22:03.01 | Cerebrizz | what do you think her power is then? |
| 22:03.33 | herlo | the ability to kill/do heinous acts without having to feel remorse as Nikki |
| 22:03.42 | atoponce | strength. and she struggles from a jekyl/hyde syndrome |
| 22:03.43 | herlo | or remembering it at all... |
| 22:03.54 | herlo | that too |
| 22:03.57 | Cerebrizz | she does remember it as Niki now though |
| 22:04.09 | Cerebrizz | and why would her alter-ego identify itself as Jessica? |
| 22:04.26 | Cerebrizz | and why would it "be gone" in 5 years later? |
| 22:04.31 | herlo | Cerebrizz: well, that's the part I think she needs to develop |
| 22:06.25 | herlo | and in 5 years, she figured it out somehow |
| 22:07.30 | Cerebrizz | in 5 years she couldn't "activate it" |
| 22:07.43 | Cerebrizz | her other half was dead or something, remember how PEter was like "she isn't there" |
| 22:08.08 | herlo | yeah, I know |
| 22:08.28 | herlo | that's where the mystery is |
| 22:08.55 | herlo | I go back to atoponce's comment about her strength though. I remember when she threw parkman out the window |
| 22:09.02 | Cerebrizz | to some degree I feel led to believe that they are two phyiscally different people |
| 22:09.07 | Cerebrizz | yah |
| 22:09.17 | herlo | Cerebrizz: could be |
| 22:09.22 | Cerebrizz | and maybe she is just a classical Jekyll/Hyde character |
| 22:09.24 | sontek_ | and what about that room of gangsters to tore up in the beginning? |
| 22:09.36 | Cerebrizz | Jessica is a killer, that's obvious |
| 22:09.57 | Cerebrizz | I don't know that Jessica is the super strong one though, I kind of think Niki is super strong and JEssica just uses it |
| 22:10.42 | Cerebrizz | like perhaps Jessica is a "telepath" or something that hid out in her father when he killed her and then transferred herself to Niki when she saw her father that one time |
| 22:11.09 | Cerebrizz | 6 Months Ago suggests something like that could have happened |
| 22:11.34 | atoponce | Cerebrizz: were you at the meet sat? |
| 22:11.49 | Cerebrizz | no :( Mother's Day junk |
| 22:11.51 | herlo | Cerebrizz: you have quite an analysis... |
| 22:12.21 | Cerebrizz | heh probably wrong |
| 22:12.23 | herlo | Cerebrizz: unfortunately, I've analyzed myself out of this conversatoin... |
| 22:12.28 | Cerebrizz | lol |
| 22:12.37 | herlo | as I am wanting to do work again, probably on BashTorrent |
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| 22:42.55 | Zelut | Heroes tonite huh |
| 22:46.09 | Cerebrizz | yu[ |
| 22:46.10 | Cerebrizz | yup |
| 22:47.25 | Hunding | anyone know what an "internet superserver" might be? |
| 22:56.13 | Zelut | xinetd |
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| 23:07.31 | [phoenyx] | so disappointing. I just found out my sister has a myspace page. |
| 23:08.52 | Hunding | ROFL...wait till you find out your daughter does! |
| 23:09.29 | [phoenyx] | that would show some awesome skills on her part, considering that she's two :) |
| 23:10.03 | Hunding | you got about another 10-11 yrs then... |
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| 23:12.01 | maquis | *shudder* |
| 23:12.29 | nurn | a 9year old has a myspace account? |
| 23:13.14 | sontek | you haven't lived until you setup a myspace account |
| 23:13.24 | Zelut | I think I have a long-abandoned myspace account. |
| 23:13.25 | maquis | well, in that case, i'd prefer not to live |
| 23:13.43 | [phoenyx] | Hopefully I can teach her to use technology for awesome instead |
| 23:16.10 | nurn | [phoenyx], please do |
| 23:16.16 | nurn | make her use ubuntu |
| 23:17.16 | [phoenyx] | she likes to "play penguins" (games featuring Tux) :) |
| 23:17.23 | maquis | teach her to not be afraid of computers |
| 23:17.25 | maquis | that's the main thing |
| 23:18.57 | [phoenyx] | I lucked out and got a cheap touchscreen ($8) at a police auction. I just set firefox to fullscreen mode and let her browse around starfall.com or similar sites. |
| 23:24.24 | [phoenyx] | maquis: I know what you mean. My parents are always afraid that they'll break something or mess something up, so the stick to what they know and never explore. A lot of what I know about computers is due to screwing something up and figuring out how to fix it :) |
| 23:25.59 | herlo | Its because of the mentality like the one my dad has... |
| 23:25.59 | Zelut | exactly |
| 23:27.34 | Zelut | ..and that is what sets us apart. we're tinkerers. |
| 23:27.34 | herlo | It should run just like my car does, I shouldn't have to repair it... |
| 23:27.35 | herlo | I tell him every time he says that, a kitten gets killed |
| 23:27.35 | herlo | but seriously, I tell him that computers are made by humans and aren |
| 23:27.35 | herlo | 't perfect |
| 23:27.35 | herlo | cars are too, but have had over 100 years to mature |
| 23:27.35 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah undertakingyou (n=undertak@75-165-249-132.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:28.00 | herlo | I tell him that I believe in 100 years, computers will be much more mature then cars were when they hit 100 years... |
| 23:30.03 | herlo | what's sad is that he "grew up" with dos just like me. When he switched over to a gui world, he lost all faith in PCs |
| 23:30.24 | herlo | and to be honest, I can't blame him. |
| 23:30.35 | herlo | I just need to make him a Linux convert now |
| 23:31.09 | herlo | but that means I'll have to support him and don't want to have 3hr conversations about how to open a terminal and type 'ifconfig' or something |
| 23:31.56 | Hearts|Laptop | herlo: Good luck that is what is was like my first week with my father |
| 23:31.57 | Zelut | he does |
| 23:32.42 | Hearts|Laptop | herlo: and he used to work for John Deere in the IT department |
| 23:33.32 | Zelut | check out what browser I commented from |
| 23:33.32 | herlo | Hearts|Laptop: I have almost no desire to change him away. Instead, I plan on sneaking over to my Grandparents house and changing their OS in the middle of the night and seeing if they even notice |
| 23:34.21 | herlo | Zelut: you are a nerd |
| 23:35.23 | Hearts|Laptop | herlo: That is just not nice |
| 23:35.39 | herlo | Hearts|Laptop: why not? |
| 23:36.19 | herlo | my Grandparents only use their browser and on occasion open word documents. I only need to add OOO and FF2 on their desktop |
| 23:37.03 | Hearts|Laptop | herlo: Can you imagine being a older person and want to use the computer, and its not the way you left it. You would think you went senile overnight |
| 23:37.23 | herlo | they are 87/86 years old so its not like they really need the computer to write a python program or anything |
| 23:37.45 | herlo | Hearts|Laptop: btw, I was only kidding about sneaking in at night. Just sneaking in around my Dad is all... |
| 23:38.14 | herlo | that way, he won't have to help them when they boot it up next time. Instead, I'll give them Zelut's number :) |
| 23:41.06 | Hearts|Laptop | herlo: nice |
| 23:43.41 | Hearts|Laptop | k someone twist my arm to redo the old Debian 2.4.32 box and make the plunge straight into Ubuntu. Abandoning all other distros behind. |
| 23:48.22 | maquis | one is becoming an openbsd router/firewall |
| 23:48.29 | maquis | one is going to be a freebsd server |
| 23:48.33 | maquis | and the other... i'm still torn |
| 23:49.21 | [phoenyx] | ubuntu! |
| 23:49.24 | maquis | i'm looking at gentoo, slack, and freebsd as options... |
| 23:49.40 | maquis | [phoenyx]: the server-install of ubuntu doesn't upgrade nicely |
| 23:49.46 | maquis | so, i'm kind-of avoiding that option |
| 23:50.09 | [phoenyx] | true |
| 23:50.11 | maquis | plus, i don't like the idea of only being able to upgrade packages when i'm willing to upgrade to a new release |
| 23:50.48 | maquis | i'm still stuck on dapper currently because i haven't been able to upgrade |
| 23:51.14 | maquis | and so, when i'm on dapper, and my husband is on edgy, if we want to play certain games, we can't actually play against each other because the versions we can install are incompatible |
| 23:51.18 | maquis | that's silly |
| 23:52.01 | maquis | if i want to install a more recent version of a piece of software, i ought to be able to do that without having to upgrade my entire box |
| 23:56.50 | [phoenyx] | this may be ignorance on my part |
| 23:57.02 | [phoenyx] | but can't you just add the appropriate repos to sources.list? |
| 23:57.21 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah Yorokobi (n=Yorokobi@unaffiliated/yorokobi) |
| 23:58.43 | Zelut | maquis: get source, and cheat-compile to a .deb.. |
| 23:59.16 | maquis | Zelut: sure... but doing that every time i want to run a version of anything that's not what dapper has..... |
| 23:59.19 | maquis | that's silly |
| 23:59.53 | maquis | i should be able to easily install any version of any app without ubuntu caring |