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| 00:22.35 | Hunding | Am I supposed to bring a laptop to install the new release of ubuntu when attending a release party? |
| 00:23.08 | findlay | you can just give me your laptop and I'll take care of it |
| 00:24.03 | Hunding | would you love it and caress it as I do? |
| 00:24.12 | Hunding | just kidding...kinda |
| 00:24.16 | findlay | heh |
| 00:27.30 | Hunding | make me an offer on my older laptop...Compaq R4000 2G RAM, 120G HD, and spare battery, and I'll even throw in the wonderful old HP laptop bag |
| 00:29.39 | herlo | Hunding: $25 ? |
| 00:29.40 | Hunding | heh... |
| 00:29.40 | herlo | $20? |
| 00:29.40 | Hunding | that is all you want me to pay you to take it?? |
| 00:29.40 | Hunding | SOLD! |
| 00:29.41 | Hunding | ;) |
| 00:29.41 | herlo | Hunding: come find it! |
| 00:30.30 | Hunding | were is far far away? |
| 00:40.56 | herlo | Hunding: near Shrek I suppose |
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| 01:21.00 | Zelut | evening |
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| 01:31.00 | sontek | evening!! |
| 01:32.05 | Zelut | starting my server rebuild tonite.. it's going to be a long evening. |
| 01:33.12 | Zelut | after doing an inventory I have an 80G, 500G, 13.5Gx2, 120G, 30G & 60G to make use of. Not bad. |
| 01:34.19 | herlo | Zelut: just do a JBOD under an LVM, it might work better than a RAID1 |
| 01:34.38 | herlo | although I am unsure that Software RAID supports JBOD |
| 01:35.41 | sontek | Your mom is JBOD! |
| 01:51.16 | Zelut | ok. I'm putting the OS on the 13G drive. suggestions on partitioning? |
| 01:51.38 | Zelut | 100M /boot. 1G swap. ?? /var. ?? /home. |
| 01:54.58 | sontek | I usually do atleast 200MB for boot just for different kernel configurations and splash screens =) (Splash screens are important!) |
| 01:55.15 | Zelut | not so much on a headless media server :) |
| 01:55.43 | sontek | if you aren't doing anything that really uses var (apache/mail) no need for that partition |
| 01:56.26 | sontek | and same for home, if you aren't going to be using it as your shell, mail, web, etc. Then no need to have a backup of your home directory |
| 01:56.34 | sontek | but if its an all-in-one server home is helfpul =) |
| 01:56.43 | sontek | but brb time to go home and get dinner |
| 01:56.44 | Zelut | i will be running apache so I do want a /var.. |
| 01:57.04 | sontek | yeah, if you use /var/www you'll probably want var |
| 01:57.13 | sontek | I do all my hosting view the home directories |
| 01:57.18 | sontek | via** |
| 01:57.40 | sontek | so ~/sontek/public_html/sontek.net would be configured for www.sontek.net |
| 01:58.53 | Zelut | lol I just realized I don't know what version I'm installing. I burned a -server CD but I don't remember if its 6.06.1 or 7.04 lol |
| 01:59.04 | Zelut | I'm hoping its 6.06.1. |
| 01:59.50 | sontek | cat /etc/lsb-release |
| 02:00.07 | sontek | DISTRIB_RELEASE=7.04 |
| 02:00.21 | sontek | i'm so FEISTY |
| 02:00.25 | sontek | :O~ |
| 02:00.29 | sontek | i'll be back |
| 02:01.34 | Zelut | didn't know if that'd work during installation. It's Ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS... which they really should release 6.06.2 considering the number of updates available now. |
| 02:06.53 | Zelut | herlo: why JBOD over LVM vs RAID mirror? |
| 02:10.16 | Zelut | in reading about JBOD I don't really see many advantages. |
| 03:16.43 | herlo | Zelut: do you need redundancy? |
| 03:16.55 | herlo | or space |
| 03:17.22 | Zelut | herlo: I would like redundancy primarily |
| 03:17.31 | Zelut | I would hate to lose years worth of audio and video |
| 03:18.24 | herlo | true, that's what backups are for |
| 03:18.39 | herlo | and I'd use JBOD with LVM on top |
| 03:18.42 | herlo | not without LVM |
| 03:19.25 | herlo | but hey, its your system. You've gotta make the ultimate decision. |
| 03:19.50 | Zelut | LVM and JBOD sound very similar to me.. |
| 03:19.51 | herlo | the benefit of JBOD over RAID 0 is you don't need the same size disks, no loss |
| 03:20.12 | herlo | Zelut: true, except with LVM you get snapshots |
| 03:27.04 | Zelut | herlo: snapshots is cool |
| 03:29.12 | Zelut | bbl |
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| 03:31.30 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by atoponce -> Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | All resources at http://www.ubuntu-utah.org | Next Meeting: Feisty Releas Party April 21 @ Orbit Cafe in SLC (540 W 200 S)- YOU MUST RSVP!- ping Zelut, atoponce or HoneyShiv for details | Next IRC Meeting: April 28th, 12:00 Noon here |
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| 03:32.03 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by atoponce -> Ubuntu Utah LoCo Team | All resources at http://www.ubuntu-utah.org | Next Meeting: Feisty Releas Party April 21 @ Orbit Cafe in SLC (540 W 200 S) at 6-9pm- YOU MUST RSVP!- ping Zelut, atoponce or HoneyShiv for details | Next IRC Meeting: April 28th, 12:00 Noon here |
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| 03:43.10 | UtahBot | [Ubuntuforums] Alex Tew 1,000,000$ in 3 month - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406424 |
| 03:43.24 | atoponce | hmm |
| 04:23.44 | Heartsbane | O rly? |
| 04:24.04 | Heartsbane | isn't that like saying the Pope is kinda catholic |
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| 04:59.34 | sontek | Zelut: hows the server intall going? |
| 05:17.55 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah clutchmm (n=clutch@65.203.19.14) |
| 05:19.40 | clutchmm | it's cool, I am constantly changing things and with the lightening we have had here in Eureka I REALLY don't want to leave my computer on |
| 05:21.23 | clutchmm | But right now I'm stoked because I finally found gnome themes and got my install looking sweet but does anyone know where I can get sounds to replace the stupid ubuntu sounds that are pre-installed? |
| 05:22.44 | clutchmm | also is it possible to change the little list thing that shows up when the desktop loads telling me what apps are loading? |
| 05:30.02 | burnthegreat | clutchmm: look up gdm themes for ubuntu for the loading splash screen. but i don't know about sound themes, i just disable mine. |
| 05:30.20 | burnthegreat | how are you liking linux btw clutchmm ? |
| 05:39.59 | fizz | clutchmm: yes you can change the sounds |
| 05:40.14 | clutchmm | well I want to keep the themes I have now, I got an awesome login screen and windows but they didn't change any of the retarded action tunes. I love it!!!! The more I learn and customize ubuntu the more I loath the 'evil empire' |
| 05:40.53 | clutchmm | I know I can change them but where can I get new ones? Is there a site or database somewhere? |
| 05:41.45 | fizz | i don't think they have pre-made ones anywhere. i'm not sure of that though. but you could just use custom ones. |
| 05:41.47 | clutchmm | I can make my desktop soooooooo much more personal with ubuntu than with winblows |
| 05:42.15 | fizz | yeah, they do make it so it feels like home. |
| 05:42.19 | sontek | clutchmm: windows supports multiple window managers, themes, etc. also =) |
| 05:42.37 | clutchmm | I would have to figure out how to make custom ones first:'( |
| 05:42.59 | sontek | clutchmm: www.themexp.org has a bunch |
| 05:43.03 | sontek | clutchmm: so does deviantart.com |
| 05:43.11 | clutchmm | yeah but I never found anything as cool as what linux offers on win |
| 05:43.15 | sontek | clutchmm: plus, theres windowsblinds which has thousands |
| 05:43.33 | sontek | clutchmm: and then ofcourse you can get blackbox and litestep as different window managers |
| 05:43.41 | sontek | which have even more themes |
| 05:43.50 | fizz | when i am in windows on this box i use windowblinds |
| 05:44.12 | clutchmm | yeah, I found a sweet background pic of a mushroom cloud all done in blue:) |
| 05:44.17 | clutchmm | I like blue |
| 05:44.29 | fizz | blue is nice. |
| 05:44.48 | fizz | i usually go with a plain black background these days. it's easy on my eyes |
| 05:45.02 | sontek | clutchmm: are you talking about this: http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c215/mooncore/screensavers/blue-mushroom.jpg |
| 05:45.33 | clutchmm | no not that |
| 05:45.45 | fizz | he said mushroom cloud |
| 05:45.49 | fizz | :) |
| 05:45.52 | clutchmm | what I have is a huge atom bomb explosion |
| 05:45.53 | sontek | ooh missed the cloud part :P |
| 05:47.25 | clutchmm | so do themexp.org and deviantart.com have sounds I can get? |
| 05:48.18 | sontek | clutchmm: microsoft provides some media bonus pacs on their site that provide more sounds |
| 05:48.36 | sontek | clutchmm: and there are a lot of sites that have custom sound schemes for download neowin.net is another theme site to checkout |
| 05:48.42 | sontek | they have a lot on their forums |
| 05:49.00 | sontek | I don't use OS sounds |
| 05:49.05 | sontek | so I don't know the best place to look |
| 05:49.43 | fizz | sounds bug me |
| 05:50.05 | clutchmm | I don't mind OS sounds but I'm sick of the bongo drum sound and the other african bush sounds |
| 05:51.22 | fizz | get some monty python sounds. like the login alert sound can be "what are you going to do, bleed on me?" |
| 05:51.26 | fizz | that would be fun. |
| 05:51.29 | clutchmm | umm.. do win sounds work on linux? |
| 05:51.40 | fizz | have you tried exaile yet clutch? |
| 05:51.45 | sontek | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/bonuspack/default.aspx thats the "im feeling lucky" search from google for windows xp sounds |
| 05:51.51 | clutchmm | yeah, something cool like that |
| 05:52.10 | sontek | clutchmm: windows sounds are just .wav files, they'll work in linux |
| 05:52.36 | clutchmm | fizz: no I don't think I have |
| 05:53.25 | clutchmm | what is exaile again? |
| 05:53.49 | burnthegreat | fizz: nizz whats the bizz |
| 05:54.03 | fizz | it's an app for music. it's very clean and easy to use. |
| 05:54.09 | sontek | clutchmm: and I'm not trying to say windows is better than Linux (I prefer Linux) but thats all it is, a preference, I don't think people should go around insulting the competitors of their product of choice |
| 05:54.44 | burnthegreat | but it is microsoft... they suck. |
| 05:54.51 | fizz | nurn: the bizz is at my hizz. let me know when you want me to start on the css for thepurg.org |
| 05:55.23 | burnthegreat | ok |
| 05:55.30 | sontek | burnthegreat: and so does walmart, ford, nike, and any other company that has a market share larger than 0.001% |
| 05:55.34 | clutchmm | fizz: that's right, I tried to install it but they don't have a 64bit version yet |
| 05:55.57 | fizz | sontek: i agree with that for the most part. GO CAPITALISM! |
| 05:56.01 | burnthegreat | I will let you know when the textpatter is installed and I will also grab some documantation for you as well. |
| 05:56.36 | burnthegreat | sontek: yep, I agree. |
| 05:57.10 | clutchmm | Don't get me wrong, I still use windows because there is a TON of stuff I use it for that (as of yet) I can't use linux for |
| 05:58.08 | burnthegreat | fizz: should i have a beer befor bed? |
| 05:58.25 | clutchmm | partly because wine isn't out for the 64bit version yet either |
| 05:58.31 | fizz | yet again nurn, better suited for the other channel, heh |
| 05:58.37 | fizz | but yes, yes you should |
| 05:58.58 | burnthegreat | bah |
| 05:59.27 | burnthegreat | but that means i have to press meta-8 |
| 05:59.36 | burnthegreat | and that takes... effort |
| 05:59.40 | fizz | yeah, and i have to press meta-6 |
| 05:59.47 | fizz | your point? lol |
| 06:00.03 | burnthegreat | i am more lazy then you |
| 06:02.17 | fizz | burn: you are just a sottish man |
| 06:03.21 | clutchmm | so does anyone know how I can adjust my mouses scroll wheel sensitivity? All of a sudden it got really sensitive and stayed that way |
| 06:04.52 | clutchmm | can I use mp3 files for system sound files? |
| 06:05.53 | fizz | sontek: do you know the answer to that? |
| 06:06.07 | fizz | clutch: if not. try converting the mp3 to .wav |
| 06:06.27 | burnthegreat | clutchmm: what window manager are you using? |
| 06:07.20 | clutchmm | ok this is going to sound stupid but what is my window manager? |
| 06:07.55 | fizz | i.e. gnome, kde |
| 06:08.07 | clutchmm | gnome I believe |
| 06:08.12 | burnthegreat | ok |
| 06:08.20 | fizz | is it the default ubuntu manager? |
| 06:08.46 | burnthegreat | most things like mouse prefs you can fine in system->Prefrences |
| 06:09.16 | burnthegreat | well he could have installed the server addition and then installed the WM of his choice |
| 06:09.18 | clutchmm | yeah it should be the default |
| 06:09.53 | burnthegreat | fizz: |
| 06:09.56 | fizz | if it is the default on a desktop install then yes, it will be gnome :) |
| 06:09.56 | burnthegreat | http://parker1.co.uk/satanic/screenshots/ |
| 06:10.13 | burnthegreat | addition == edition |
| 06:13.28 | clutchmm | ok the mouse prefs doesn't have anything for my scroll wheel |
| 06:14.03 | fizz | burn: that is sweet. i can't wait for feisty spawn edition |
| 06:14.14 | fizz | clutch, yeah it doesn't. one sec |
| 06:16.04 | burnthegreat | clutchmm: i guess there is not way to edit that. apparently it is built into the gtk |
| 06:16.10 | clutchmm | I tried to install that theme and the gpg key site timed out so I couldn't get it:'( |
| 06:16.24 | sontek | yes a beer before bed is a necessity |
| 06:16.35 | burnthegreat | yeah i am nodding off |
| 06:16.52 | clutchmm | my mouse didn't start acting like this till I updated my packages |
| 06:17.58 | burnthegreat | yeah |
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| 06:18.24 | sontek | to change your wheel mouse sensitivity you have to modify the rate in xorg.conf or use xset |
| 06:20.59 | burnthegreat | ok i am out of here. night my fellow geeks |
| 06:21.06 | sontek | look in the xset man page for 'm' param for mouse |
| 06:21.11 | sontek | gnight! |
| 06:21.48 | fizz | oi, time for me to hit the hay as well. goodnight ubuntu users of utah |
| 06:22.16 | sontek | good nice the part of the soda that tickles my nose while I drink it! |
| 06:22.28 | sontek | s/nice/night/ |
| 06:23.35 | fizz | hahaha. that's a cool bot function |
| 06:23.46 | fizz | s/bot/killbot |
| 06:23.53 | fizz | s/bot/killbot/ |
| 06:24.04 | fizz | oh |
| 06:24.07 | fizz | i get it :) |
| 06:24.10 | fizz | night |
| 06:33.27 | clutchmm | ok so how do I transfer the sound files to the sound folder? I tried to download straight to that folder and it won't let me |
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| 06:36.09 | fizz | have you tried "sudo wget blahblah" |
| 06:42.30 | clutchmm | what is blahblah? |
| 06:46.08 | fizz | blah blah is "http://www.example.com/example.mp3" |
| 06:46.30 | fizz | the web location of the sound you want to download to that folder |
| 06:48.28 | fizz | but yeah, sleepy time for me. maybe sontek could help you a little more. |
| 06:49.37 | clutchmm | night |
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| 07:08.27 | thenetduck | cool. Chat zilla is nice |
| 07:13.39 | Epic720 | yes it is |
| 07:14.36 | thenetduck | Epic720: do you know if ubuntu or the next version of ubuntu will support the intel based macs? |
| 07:14.52 | thenetduck | and when I say that, I mean can dual boot right out of the box |
| 07:23.27 | Epic720 | not sure, I don't see why it wouldn't support the hardware seeing as though the new macs are now x86 |
| 07:33.28 | clutchmm | how do I transfer a file from my desktop to /usr/share/sounds? |
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| 07:43.57 | fizz | use the"mv" command |
| 07:45.43 | fizz | mv /home/YOURNAME/desktop/filename /usr/share/sounds/filename |
| 07:51.01 | clutchmm | do I need to use sudo? |
| 07:51.14 | Epic720 | yes |
| 07:51.18 | fizz | yep |
| 07:51.55 | Epic720 | hey fizz, do you think you could help me getting AWstats installed on my server? |
| 07:52.25 | fizz | is it an edgy eft server? |
| 07:52.29 | Epic720 | yes |
| 07:54.27 | fizz | k, one sec. |
| 07:54.31 | clutchmm | mv: cannot stat `/home/clutch/desktop/idiot.wav': No such file or directory |
| 07:55.05 | fizz | k, one sec. |
| 07:55.09 | fizz | grrr |
| 07:55.10 | fizz | heh |
| 07:56.03 | fizz | www.debuntu.org/book/export/html/67 |
| 07:56.25 | fizz | epic: i think that will help you |
| 07:57.11 | clutchmm | when I try to drag and drop it with the gui it says my permissions aren't set to allow me to do that |
| 07:57.25 | fizz | hrm |
| 07:57.28 | Epic720 | thanks |
| 07:57.36 | fizz | try doing this clutch |
| 07:57.39 | fizz | try su |
| 07:57.48 | fizz | then mv (insert the rest here |
| 07:58.03 | clutchmm | alright just a sec |
| 07:59.16 | clutchmm | Unknown id: mv |
| 08:00.01 | fizz | ok, try using the cp command instead of mv |
| 08:00.13 | clutchmm | when I downloaded the .wav files I tried just downloading them to that folder and got the same permission error |
| 08:02.32 | fizz | clutchmm: did it work using the cp command? |
| 08:02.43 | clutchmm | cp: cannot stat `/home/clutch/desktop/idiot.wav': No such file or directory |
| 08:02.44 | clutchmm | but when I look it up in the gui file browser it shows as being there in that path |
| 08:02.55 | fizz | hmmm |
| 08:05.32 | fizz | here we go |
| 08:05.38 | fizz | type sudo nautilus |
| 08:05.51 | fizz | then you will be running nautilus as root |
| 08:06.11 | fizz | then just copy and paste the file in nautilus |
| 08:06.34 | fizz | if that doesn't work you will have to wait for a person who is better/more awake than i am. :) |
| 08:07.17 | clutchmm | just drag and drop right? |
| 08:08.07 | fizz | yep |
| 08:08.42 | fizz | or navigate to your desktop in that root browser, copy the file, then navigate to desired destination and paste the file. |
| 08:10.17 | fizz | did that work for you clutch? |
| 08:11.05 | clutchmm | yeah I think it did but I won't know until I shut down |
| 08:11.33 | clutchmm | I only set 2 sounds. login and shutdown |
| 08:11.51 | clutchmm | thanks tons |
| 08:11.55 | fizz | cool stuff. if it works: glad i could help. if it doesn't work: sorry. |
| 08:12.14 | fizz | np |
| 08:12.23 | clutchmm | I need to go to bed now I have a looooonnnng day tomorrow |
| 08:12.28 | fizz | me too. |
| 08:12.29 | fizz | night |
| 08:12.33 | clutchmm | night |
| 08:12.40 | *** part/#ubuntu-utah clutchmm (n=clutch@65.203.19.14) |
| 08:12.55 | fizz | epic720: is that guide doing the trick for you? |
| 08:13.07 | Epic720 | having troubles |
| 08:13.25 | Epic720 | I am using xampp, so it's hard to track down some of the fiels |
| 08:13.29 | Epic720 | *files |
| 08:14.08 | Epic720 | you wouldn't happen to know the xampp equivalent of apache2.conf? |
| 08:17.38 | fizz | sorry, i don't. maybe ask burn, synic, or one of the others tomorrow |
| 08:18.57 | Epic720 | ok, thanks |
| 08:19.35 | fizz | no problem dude. too bad that i know nothing about xampp |
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| 14:12.23 | Kemotaha | morning all |
| 14:13.53 | atoponce | Kemotaha: how are you connecting to irc? |
| 14:14.11 | Kemotaha | xchat |
| 14:14.20 | Kemotaha | I haven't gotten around to using irssi |
| 14:14.39 | atoponce | well, i mean your connection, though. it's not standard, or novell is doing something funny with your ip... |
| 14:14.48 | atoponce | >>> Kemotaha!i=nblackha@nat/novell/x-d5699086006d6123 |
| 14:14.55 | Kemotaha | nice |
| 14:15.00 | atoponce | as compared to herlo |
| 14:15.06 | atoponce | >>> herlo!n=clints@166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com |
| 14:15.18 | Kemotaha | looks like it goes through NAT but not PAT |
| 14:15.32 | Kemotaha | the address is translated but not the port |
| 14:16.15 | Kemotaha | This was in the freenode connection: * *** Spoofing your IP. congrats. |
| 14:16.15 | Kemotaha | * *** You are exempt from K/D/G lines. congrats. |
| 14:16.54 | Hunding | has anyone here used smoothwall? |
| 14:17.34 | atoponce | Kemotaha: that's cool. you get the same thing when you connect via tor |
| 14:17.44 | atoponce | so now i'm really curious how you're connecting. :) |
| 14:17.53 | Kemotaha | Nice, Novell must be spoofing all our connections. |
| 14:18.04 | Kemotaha | I am jsut conencting through Novells connection here at work |
| 14:18.13 | Kemotaha | I am using SLED though |
| 14:18.21 | Kemotaha | Hunding, I haven't used it at all sorry |
| 14:18.22 | atoponce | *gasp* |
| 14:18.35 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 14:18.39 | atoponce | Kemotaha: any avail shells to connect to? :D |
| 14:18.58 | Kemotaha | possibly but I don't think it is pingable to the outside |
| 14:19.05 | atoponce | bummer |
| 14:19.06 | Kemotaha | ping nblackham1.provo.novell.com |
| 14:19.49 | atoponce | 4 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 3009ms |
| 14:20.08 | atoponce | so now i'm curious how they're spoofing their ip |
| 14:20.19 | Kemotaha | what ip did it resolve to? |
| 14:20.35 | Kemotaha | 137.65.55.252 ? |
| 14:21.00 | Kemotaha | 137.65.55.91 it should be I mean |
| 14:21.18 | atoponce | the 2nd one |
| 14:21.30 | Kemotaha | let me check |
| 14:22.49 | Kemotaha | I am looking at it from my server at home |
| 14:23.57 | Kemotaha | nmap is taking a while on it |
| 14:24.20 | Hunding | I just noticed that I now have a new icon where it usually tells me that I have updates, however this one says that I need a restart. Why would I need a system restart? Any idea what is up with that? |
| 14:24.46 | Kemotaha | If you upgraded your kernel it will tell you that it needs a restart |
| 14:24.56 | atoponce | every packet i send at it gets lost |
| 14:25.09 | Kemotaha | atoponce, traceroute it |
| 14:25.16 | Kemotaha | tell me where it dies |
| 14:25.24 | atoponce | ok. just a sec |
| 14:26.49 | Kemotaha | it might be Novell's border manager |
| 14:27.24 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.29 | atoponce | was the last reply |
| 14:29.43 | Kemotaha | interesting. I go out .33 |
| 14:30.22 | atoponce | do you have vpn running or something? |
| 14:30.34 | Kemotaha | nope |
| 14:32.13 | atoponce | is your ip whitelisted? i can't get past 8, and nmap craps out |
| 14:32.52 | Kemotaha | not sure, I know by default they firewall it so I have to use a vpn to hit eventhough it is a public IP |
| 14:33.09 | Kemotaha | when I am off campus |
| 14:33.31 | Kemotaha | I installed the machine so there is not weird about the setup |
| 14:33.45 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 14:33.56 | Kemotaha | It must be done at the firewall |
| 14:34.22 | Kemotaha | Do you have a box I could ping? |
| 14:34.29 | Kemotaha | and you could capture some packets on it? |
| 14:34.58 | Kemotaha | That would tell us if they are NATing on the way out |
| 14:34.59 | atoponce | yeah. i'm just about to head off to work though. give me about an hour, and i'll get it running |
| 14:35.19 | Kemotaha | no problem, hopefully the phones are quiet, I have a new box to setup |
| 14:35.36 | Kemotaha | Quadcore Intel hpxw4400 |
| 14:35.42 | Kemotaha | I am putting Xen on it |
| 14:35.42 | atoponce | nice |
| 14:35.45 | atoponce | sweet |
| 14:36.20 | atoponce | bbiab |
| 14:53.36 | herlo | atoponce: do you not like my id thingy? |
| 14:59.38 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah sontek (n=sontek@unaffilated/sontek) |
| 15:02.04 | sontek | oooh yeaaha |
| 15:02.09 | sontek | hows everyones morning? |
| 15:03.37 | herlo | sontek: ping in #utos |
| 15:17.48 | maquis | lol |
| 15:17.51 | maquis | funny spam |
| 15:17.58 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.15 | maquis | "we should work together to explode our profits" |
| 15:18.40 | maquis | personally, i like my profits, and really would prefer not to explode them |
| 15:18.41 | burnthegreat | morning |
| 15:19.03 | maquis | i also like how "You" is always capitalized |
| 15:19.43 | maquis | "As a Successful CEO, I'm making this one of the best recommendations for YOU" |
| 15:20.28 | maquis | "mskujny mnqjfxod nbhxosdem pfksoc tuvcbprj fvlayz zqebs" <-- new comment on my blog |
| 15:20.31 | maquis | that's not even spam |
| 15:20.34 | maquis | it's... |
| 15:20.35 | maquis | uh |
| 15:20.39 | maquis | not selling anothing |
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| 15:23.44 | Zelut | irssi server is back up. yay. |
| 15:23.55 | herlo | Zelut: !! |
| 15:23.56 | herlo | :) |
| 15:24.04 | sontek | welcome back! |
| 15:24.10 | sontek | we missed you! *tear* |
| 15:24.20 | Zelut | pfft |
| 15:24.35 | herlo | ~smack sontek for such emotion |
| 15:24.41 | jbot | ACTION smacks sontek for such emotion upside the head. |
| 15:31.54 | maquis | gah |
| 15:31.58 | maquis | scheduling meetings is a pain |
| 15:32.10 | Zelut | atoponce: my uptime, up 13:00! yes |
| 15:32.13 | herlo | maquis: are you gonna be at our meeting tonight? |
| 15:32.19 | sontek | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.21 | sontek | ! |
| 15:32.37 | sontek | thats pretty good uptime and load for a laptop :P |
| 15:32.43 | Zelut | sontek: it is. |
| 15:32.54 | maquis | herlo: i'm afraid not... i'm going straight from work to something else, and probably won't be home til 8 at the earliest |
| 15:32.59 | Zelut | my uptime is from the rebuild last nite. that is my excuse. |
| 15:33.15 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah Zelu1 (n=Zelut@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:33.28 | herlo | ~lart maquis |
| 15:33.28 | jbot | rm -rf's maquis |
| 15:33.33 | sontek | Zelut: my excuse is that I forget to plug my laptop in :P |
| 15:37.45 | Zelut | no more torrents for me. Just got another nasty email forwarded from XMission. |
| 15:38.58 | sontek | Zelut: tell xmission its your Internet and you'll use it how you want! |
| 15:39.02 | sontek | ;) |
| 15:39.18 | redbeard1 | Zelut: usenet is the way to be. |
| 15:44.39 | Zelut | I think XMission is too smart. I want a dumb ISP again |
| 15:44.46 | herlo | Zelut: really? |
| 15:44.59 | herlo | I think its a scare tactic. Is it something you really downloaded? |
| 15:45.20 | sontek | If you aren't downloading anything illegal they can't be like STOP USING OUR BANDWIDTH THAT YOU PAY US FOR |
| 15:49.15 | Zelut | herlo: yeah, its something I really downloaded |
| 15:49.40 | Zelut | I think I'll be closing my account in the next month or so anyway |
| 15:49.55 | sontek | stop being illegal! |
| 15:51.58 | herlo | sontek: its *not* illegal, never has been proven as such |
| 15:55.09 | Zelut | It's lame.. and all it's doing is pointing me toward private trackers. |
| 15:55.30 | herlo | Zelut: duh! |
| 15:55.33 | herlo | :) |
| 15:55.50 | Zelut | I'm not sure I understand the difference in recording a show that I have access to to watch it later vs downloading that same show. |
| 15:57.42 | maquis | Zelut: the fact that, if you're recording a show that you have access to, they think that you wn't keep it and watch it multiple times |
| 15:58.06 | maquis | whereas, if it's something you're downloading, they think you're going to keep it, watch it repeatedly, and distribute it to others |
| 15:58.16 | sontek | Zelut: commercials? =) |
| 15:58.32 | Zelut | sontek: HBO doesn't have commercials anyway |
| 15:59.06 | sontek | Zelut: xmission has no way to know if you paid your tv service the fees to have HBO :) |
| 16:03.51 | atoponce | Zelut: join irc.xmission.com/#xmlounge and talk with someone about it |
| 16:04.18 | atoponce | Zelut: i bet you could work it out |
| 16:04.39 | atoponce | we chat with them all day long about various crap for introPLAY and they're very responsive |
| 16:04.43 | Zelut | atoponce: don't know there is anything to be worked out. They told me to stop.. which I will. Along with their service. |
| 16:05.04 | atoponce | for using bittorrent? you're under your bandwidth cap, right? |
| 16:05.15 | Zelut | far under my cap. way under |
| 16:05.25 | atoponce | they can't tell you *how* to use your paying bandwidth |
| 16:05.34 | herlo | atoponce: I agree |
| 16:05.37 | atoponce | i would join and get it cleared up |
| 16:05.51 | atoponce | it's probably a misunderstanding, or something silly |
| 16:06.02 | fizz | i know a few people who xmission has tried that crap on. |
| 16:06.09 | Zelut | ever since they screwed me by imposing a bandwidth cap they've been on my bad side. |
| 16:06.49 | herlo | Zelut: I think you need to talk with them too |
| 16:08.52 | Zelut | what am I going to say? yes I downloaded something which is against your terms and I want to complain about it.L |
| 16:09.21 | atoponce | is bittorrent against their terms of service? |
| 16:13.02 | Zelut | http://www.xmission.com/info/policy.html |
| 16:13.11 | Zelut | Please be aware that illegal file sharing is a violation |
| 16:13.12 | Zelut | of the XMission TOS/AUP |
| 16:13.32 | atoponce | are you illegal file sharing? |
| 16:14.00 | atoponce | i just got a response from #xmlounge |
| 16:14.20 | atoponce | 10:02 <@ cwj> atoponce: our acceptable use policy covers most questions of that nature: http://www.xmission.com/info/policy.html, it does not forbid the use of bittorrent |
| 16:14.23 | Zelut | although I don't see any mention of torrents, illegial file sharing, P2P, etc in their terms. |
| 16:15.15 | atoponce | well, it's up to you, but i join the network and channel, and see what's up |
| 16:16.04 | herlo | again, I think its a moral, rather than legal difference. |
| 16:16.38 | herlo | also, you could just ask them what their policy is regarding downloading and such... |
| 16:17.23 | atoponce | i wouldn't raise a stink about it, just to find out is all |
| 16:17.40 | herlo | exactly |
| 16:17.54 | Zelut | I'm just going to forget it, drop my service at the end of the month and move to private trackers. |
| 16:19.10 | atoponce | Zelut: what's your ticket #? probably on the letter |
| 16:19.22 | herlo | Zelut: who you moving too? |
| 16:19.43 | atoponce | Zelut: i might get this resolved for you. :) |
| 16:21.24 | atoponce | Zelut: 10:09 <@ cwj> atoponce: correspondance from us should probably say its from support@xmission.com or support@support.xmission.com, or abuse@xmission.com, and if its from abuse@xm there will almost certainly be a ticket number in the subject line |
| 16:22.08 | atoponce | irc support rocks |
| 16:23.30 | Zelut | atoponce: [XM #176433] is that it? |
| 16:25.09 | atoponce | yup. looks like it |
| 16:25.57 | atoponce | Zelut: pm |
| 16:44.22 | [phoenyx] | ~phoenyx maquis |
| 16:44.24 | jbot | ACTION explodes in a glorious ball of flame that completely engulfs maquis, then rises, reborn, from the ashes |
| 16:44.42 | maquis | jbot: wow |
| 16:44.44 | jbot | i guess wow is the best game EVAR! |
| 16:44.57 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 16:45.02 | maquis | sontek: thanks... i was thinking about going over to the kitchen and getting some, but there's a whole bunch of people there |
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| 17:08.44 | Zelut | ohh man, John Coltrane hits the spot right now.. I'm glad I got my music server up again. |
| 17:10.31 | fizz | coltrane... not a bad idea |
| 17:12.02 | Zelut | fizz: problem with coltrane is that you've got the danger of falling asleep with too much exposure :) |
| 17:12.24 | fizz | agreed. i may switch it to victor wooten after a few tracks |
| 17:13.26 | Zelut | not sure I have any victor wooten.. now I'm curious |
| 17:15.15 | fizz | victor wooten is awesome |
| 17:15.20 | fizz | he's a bass player |
| 17:15.31 | fizz | did some stuff with bela fleck and the flecktones too |
| 17:18.03 | Zelut | I should check that out as a long-out-of-practice bass player myself |
| 17:20.55 | fizz | he is coming to utah at the end of the month too. w00t |
| 17:22.16 | Zelut | cool |
| 17:29.45 | herlo | fizz: url please? |
| 17:30.41 | fizz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vdJvHE8qxA |
| 17:31.45 | herlo | fizz: pretty cool |
| 17:32.04 | fizz | indeed. i like alot |
| 17:32.29 | scottymuse | Is victor wooten the bass player for bela's sinister minister? |
| 17:32.51 | herlo | :) |
| 17:33.27 | scottymuse | yeah, that's him |
| 17:35.17 | fizz | burnthegreat actually was the first person to show me victor wooten. he has some really good jazz. |
| 17:35.32 | fizz | he could recomend alot of cool stuff. |
| 17:39.31 | Kemotaha | that's an awesome video |
| 17:40.02 | scottymuse | Sinister Minister -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOrhbk48hNU |
| 17:40.15 | fizz | look up other victor wooten vids. he is awesome in all of them |
| 17:41.04 | herlo | Zelut: it has to be the *right* kind of jazz though... |
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| 17:41.49 | Zelut | herlo: I can't think of any jazz I haven't liked off the top of my head. |
| 17:42.11 | Kemotaha | atoponce, it looks like they are using a form of NAT. When I connect to my server at home it is from a different IP |
| 17:42.20 | herlo | Zelut: piano jazz ?? |
| 17:44.04 | [phoenyx] | scottymuse: are you still playing guitar? Are the Chimichanga Chainsaws dead forever? Megaohms? |
| 17:44.56 | scottymuse | Oh yeah, there is bad jazz out there. Course not everyone would call that jazz I suppose. |
| 17:45.14 | Zelut | herlo: I really like most all jazz, but particularly the classics.. miles & coltrane, etc. |
| 17:45.16 | scottymuse | Yeah, Megaohms is over, but I'll probably keep my own little project going. |
| 17:45.44 | scottymuse | I've been playing some random shows with other people. |
| 17:46.16 | Zelut | a lot of these apache labs that I'm doing are all pretty familiar. I might even get ahead today. |
| 17:48.38 | [phoenyx] | scottymuse: maybe you can play for change in downtown salt lake after you graduate ;) |
| 17:49.16 | UtahBot | [Ubuntuforums] What kind of computer should I get? - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406843 |
| 17:50.38 | atoponce | Kemotaha: interesting |
| 17:50.40 | herlo | Zelut: try to figure out how to configure Apache with TLS, if you get time... |
| 17:51.14 | Zelut | herlo: for https? |
| 17:51.22 | herlo | Zelut: yeah |
| 17:51.44 | sontek | load mod_ssl and done! |
| 17:51.54 | herlo | sontek: no, tls, not ssl |
| 17:52.04 | dannybunkins | anybody in here a pro with mod_rewrite stuff? |
| 17:52.11 | herlo | dannybunkins: no |
| 17:52.11 | Zelut | herlo: why tls vs ssl? |
| 17:52.15 | sontek | who needs tls when you have ssl! |
| 17:52.35 | Zelut | dannybunkins: I'm not a pro but I know a few tricks. How much rewriting do you need? |
| 17:52.36 | herlo | sontek: Zelut: because you can run tls over the same port as http (80) |
| 17:52.56 | dannybunkins | well, i mostly would like to learn for myself |
| 17:52.59 | herlo | and yet its secure. Also, the whole issue of virtual hosting and certificates goes away |
| 17:53.12 | dannybunkins | Zelut: any good tutorials or examples |
| 17:53.15 | herlo | dannybunkins: httpd.apache.org could help you... |
| 17:53.21 | Zelut | dannybunkins: there are a lot of really good tutorials online.. let me send you one of mine. |
| 17:53.26 | herlo | lots of good documentation there... |
| 17:53.26 | dannybunkins | cool |
| 17:53.29 | sontek | herlo: i'm pretty sure mod_ssl supports tls though |
| 17:53.37 | herlo | sontek: it could, I don't know yet... |
| 17:53.50 | herlo | sontek: apache supports it I nkow that |
| 17:53.57 | herlo | as of 2.2 IIRC |
| 17:54.06 | atoponce | sontek: tls > ssl, from what i recall. in fact, isn't tls deprecating ssl? |
| 17:54.18 | sontek | atoponce: tls is following ssl |
| 17:54.20 | herlo | atoponce: right |
| 17:54.25 | herlo | sontek: no, not correct |
| 17:54.30 | sontek | atoponce: tls is just the open standard version |
| 17:54.32 | scottymuse | [phoenyx]: actually the last show I played was in a mansion in the avenues :) |
| 17:54.40 | herlo | sontek: no its not |
| 17:54.56 | herlo | tls is completely different from ssl in the way it works... |
| 17:55.38 | Zelut | dannybunkins: http://christeredwards.com/2006/10/01/301-redirect/ (redirection with .htaccess) |
| 17:56.00 | Zelut | dannybunkins: http://www.jimwestergren.com/wordpress-users-sharpen-your-urls-with-google/ (rewrites) |
| 17:56.21 | Zelut | dannybunkins: that last one isn't my site but he updated the post to link a comment I left on another method. |
| 17:56.23 | herlo | sontek: it looks like tls can transform itself into ssl3 |
| 17:56.35 | herlo | but in other ways, its not the same... |
| 17:56.37 | herlo | http://www.computing.net/webdevel/wwwboard/forum/439.html |
| 17:56.38 | dannybunkins | sweet! thanks |
| 17:56.45 | herlo | this article seems to be pretty accurate |
| 17:57.11 | Zelut | dannybunkins: I don't do much with rewriting other than changing all www requests no non-www, but you get the idea from the basic rules there |
| 17:57.29 | Zelut | dannybunkins: it's those few basic rules + regex and you're pretty much there. |
| 17:58.07 | dannybunkins | cool yeah, ive been reading a little bit about it and thought that it would probably be a good thing to learn |
| 17:59.02 | herlo | well, I might not call it an article, more of a response to a question, but yeah...you get my point... |
| 17:59.24 | Zelut | dannybunkins: I got into it a bit in my last job when I did SEO. It's useful, yeah. |
| 18:02.47 | Zelut | I can't believe its noon already. |
| 18:03.06 | Zelut | listen to music + hack apache + get paid = w00t! |
| 18:04.01 | herlo | Zelut: for sure. See, everyone should become a guru....er.... well, not everyone! |
| 18:04.36 | sontek | I'm a self declared guru! I have the shirt! |
| 18:04.51 | Zelut | herlo: not everyone ;) |
| 18:05.01 | herlo | Zelut: :) |
| 18:05.12 | Zelut | herlo: good thing you resigned because the shirt orders went out :) |
| 18:05.19 | herlo | I know! |
| 18:05.35 | herlo | Zelut: they haven't gone out yet and apparently won't until my last day... |
| 18:06.43 | Zelut | herlo: well it sounds like its making more progress than it has anyway. |
| 18:06.45 | sontek | I want a new shirt! |
| 18:07.24 | sontek | I can atleast pretend to work there! |
| 18:10.43 | Kemotaha | sontek, you can pretend to work anywhere, The trick is getting them to pay you for it |
| 18:10.59 | sontek | Kemotaha: I'm working on that part! |
| 18:11.08 | sontek | herlo: wheres my check?! |
| 18:11.20 | herlo | sontek: what check? |
| 18:11.25 | Kemotaha | I want in on the scam, err, job when you get it working |
| 18:11.46 | sontek | herlo: the one for all my hard work!! |
| 18:12.08 | herlo | sontek: I hired you to work for free. I have the agreement right here... |
| 18:15.54 | sontek | herlo: You didn't read the small print! |
| 18:19.18 | herlo | sontek: I made the doc, yes I did |
| 18:23.01 | atoponce | Zelut: you're getting a crap load of pressed feisty cds for the group, right? |
| 18:24.56 | Kemotaha | crapload...... I don't know if I want any of those |
| 18:25.07 | Zelut | atoponce: I'm assuming, but I haven't heard any details yet. |
| 18:25.16 | atoponce | Zelut: cool |
| 18:25.28 | atoponce | Kemotaha: oh, you will... you'll want them very badly |
| 18:25.33 | Zelut | shipit may be shipping Feisty too. I'll get a 'crapload' and have everyone else order some too :) |
| 18:25.43 | Zelut | atoponce: are you trying Feisty yet? |
| 18:25.48 | Kemotaha | I am going to get some from the source |
| 18:26.03 | atoponce | Zelut: no. you know how i am with pre stable releases... :) |
| 18:26.23 | atoponce | i'll probably wait about 2 weeks after stable to upgrade |
| 18:26.36 | Kemotaha | Looks like you can only get 3 from shipit now |
| 18:26.48 | Zelut | atoponce: since Herd 3 I've been using it and have less trouble than I did with Edgy |
| 18:26.49 | Kemotaha | unless you make a special request |
| 18:27.00 | atoponce | Kemotaha: you can order up to 10 |
| 18:27.08 | Kemotaha | Nope, I am in the page right now |
| 18:27.16 | Kemotaha | only options: |
| 18:27.17 | Kemotaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.17 | Kemotaha | 1 Ubuntu CD (1 PC Edition) |
| 18:27.17 | Kemotaha | 3 Ubuntu CDs (3 PC Edition) |
| 18:27.17 | Kemotaha | 3 Ubuntu CDs (2 PC Edition, 1 64-bit PC Edition) |
| 18:27.33 | atoponce | Kemotaha: i just ordered 10, not 5 minutes ago |
| 18:27.58 | Kemotaha | maybe cause you are part of the community |
| 18:28.09 | Kemotaha | Those are the only options I am seeing |
| 18:28.13 | atoponce | 1 Ubuntu CD (1 64-bit PC Edition) |
| 18:28.13 | atoponce | 1 Ubuntu CD (1 PC Edition) |
| 18:28.13 | atoponce | 3 Ubuntu CDs (3 PC Edition) |
| 18:28.13 | atoponce | 3 Ubuntu CDs (2 PC Edition, 1 64-bit PC Edition) |
| 18:28.14 | atoponce | 10 Ubuntu CDs (8 PC Edition, 2 64-bit PC Edition) |
| 18:28.28 | atoponce | oh |
| 18:28.28 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:28.33 | atoponce | The Ubuntu community would like to thank you for your contributions to the Ubuntu project. In recognition of this, we offer you an expanded set of options for your ShipIt request. |
| 18:28.43 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 18:29.47 | Zelut | nice |
| 18:29.55 | Zelut | membership has its perks |
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| 18:32.44 | clutchmm | jbot is a bot right? |
| 18:33.48 | Zelut | clutchmm: yes |
| 18:35.29 | clutchmm | ha ha, I tried to talk to it when I got on yesterday |
| 18:36.13 | Kemotaha | lol |
| 18:36.25 | Kemotaha | jbot, can you answer me a riddle |
| 18:36.56 | Kemotaha | jbot, why is a raven like a writing desk? |
| 18:36.59 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, Kemotaha |
| 18:37.27 | Kemotaha | dang, I always wondered the answer to that one |
| 18:38.40 | clutchmm | well I finally got the sounds in the right folder but now I need more sounds |
| 18:39.54 | [phoenyx] | Kemotaha: because Poe wrote on both |
| 18:40.20 | Kemotaha | ahh |
| 18:41.09 | clutchmm | nice |
| 18:41.43 | [phoenyx] | not my answer, I remember hearing it somewhere |
| 18:41.58 | Kemotaha | it caused me to google it |
| 18:42.19 | Kemotaha | it seems there are 4 answers: |
| 18:42.20 | Kemotaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.20 | Kemotaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.20 | Kemotaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.20 | Kemotaha | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.50 | Kemotaha | I like the Poe one best |
| 18:44.32 | clutchmm | yeah, I think that seems the best answer |
| 18:46.40 | clutchmm | well I googled computer sounds several diffrent ways and got a bunch of crap |
| 18:47.22 | clutchmm | mostly sites for sound programs |
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| 18:52.11 | clutchmm | anyone know where I can get the key '9b1db022' the key server I have listed keps timing out but the ping on the server works |
| 19:00.36 | herlo | Friday, April 13th |
| 19:00.43 | herlo | yay! |
| 19:01.09 | Zelut | herlo: which also happens to be my 1.5yr anniversary |
| 19:01.12 | Zelut | spooky |
| 19:02.35 | herlo | Zelut: huh? |
| 19:02.39 | herlo | how is that spooky |
| 19:02.58 | herlo | but not the movies |
| 19:03.31 | Zelut | it's just supposed to be spooky |
| 19:07.54 | clutchmm | I was born on friday the 13th..... and the movies are good for a laugh |
| 19:10.54 | herlo | clutchmm: fair enough. I didn't really enjoy them much mostly because I was 12 or 13 and it scared the wits out of me... |
| 19:11.08 | herlo | Its just one of those things... |
| 19:13.48 | Kemotaha | man its slow today |
| 19:15.04 | [phoenyx] | Kemotaha: here, this will eat up 11 minutes of your time: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2015512141 |
| 19:16.02 | Kemotaha | thanks |
| 19:22.31 | Kemotaha | I love when he turns on the raido |
| 19:26.57 | Kemotaha | ahh 11 minutes later |
| 19:30.24 | Zelut | ..and the office is empty. |
| 19:32.12 | herlo | Zelut: where'd everyon go? |
| 19:32.44 | Zelut | lunch |
| 19:33.15 | Zelut | I have to leave early today to pick cabinets for the new house so I figure I'd just go through lunch. |
| 19:33.54 | herlo | ahh |
| 19:34.42 | Zelut | ..but now I've either borken tomcat or its already borken but I have no one to troubleshoot it with. |
| 19:35.13 | herlo | I hate the tomcat stuff. I want to replaces it iwth jboss stuff... |
| 19:35.33 | maquis | tomcat sucks |
| 19:35.52 | Zelut | well I think the dcomcat5 script is borked. it will *not* restart and even stop/start causes trouble. |
| 19:36.11 | herlo | sounds familiar |
| 19:36.35 | Zelut | "waiting for processes to exit" for 30 sec until I get the "killing processes which didn't stop after 30 sec" |
| 19:37.25 | herlo | Zelut: pkill -9 tomcat |
| 19:37.53 | Zelut | but this happens anytime you try to stop/restart tomcat. |
| 19:39.06 | herlo | Zelut: don't restart it |
| 19:39.44 | Zelut | well the lab says to restart it so either that needs to change or its just busted |
| 19:40.39 | Zelut | herlo: this is all part of the "look you can do cgi and perl and jsp!" |
| 19:40.46 | herlo | I know |
| 19:41.37 | Zelut | I do think it'd be nice to find someway to fix this but if you think it's just to the point of remove & forget then.. |
| 19:42.43 | herlo | well, I'd have to look at it because I don't remember enough about java servlet engines to tell you... |
| 19:43.33 | clutchmm | alright how do I spell 'nautilis' or whatever my root file manager is, I hate spelling |
| 19:45.48 | Zelut | nautilus |
| 19:45.48 | clutchmm | thanks |
| 19:46.39 | clutchmm | ok so what the hell is this '(nautilus:7477): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Failed to open session DBUS connection: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.' |
| 19:46.50 | clutchmm | it still opened |
| 19:59.09 | herlo | I think I need to run suse for a while again... |
| 19:59.45 | herlo | clutchmm: that's a dbus error, you probably can safely ignore it... |
| 20:02.04 | Zelut | herlo: ever plan on finishing that blog post you started on vsftp? |
| 20:03.14 | herlo | Zelut: yes |
| 20:03.14 | herlo | Zelut: I should do that today, except I can't login to my machine that has it running... |
| 20:04.26 | Zelut | I need to come up with some tutorials soon. My blog is dyin' out there. |
| 20:05.04 | herlo | Zelut: nah |
| 20:05.19 | herlo | your blog is just not going to have as many regular visitors. No dying will happen... |
| 20:05.36 | herlo | besides, after next week, you can start blogging on all the cool things you learn each week... |
| 20:06.05 | Zelut | herlo: the funny thing is my traffic is still over 2k/day and I've hardly touched it :) |
| 20:06.12 | herlo | exactly |
| 20:06.49 | herlo | Zelut: mine tend to go in spurts... |
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| 20:07.46 | clutchmm | ok here is a good question. I can't find the sound setup for the login screen |
| 20:08.00 | Brizz | is anyone using any good Subversion build management software? |
| 20:08.03 | clutchmm | right now it has a drum sound that I loath |
| 20:08.15 | herlo | system -> preferences -> sound |
| 20:08.24 | herlo | Brizz: tortoisesvn |
| 20:08.29 | herlo | but that's for windows |
| 20:08.35 | Brizz | I need a better program than that... |
| 20:08.43 | herlo | svn import works well for me |
| 20:08.47 | clutchmm | i found that and it's not there, everything but login and logout where set to no sound |
| 20:08.50 | herlo | or svn update |
| 20:08.57 | herlo | or svn commit |
| 20:09.05 | herlo | Brizz: why do you need more? |
| 20:09.12 | Brizz | I need to be able to manacge branching and tagging better |
| 20:09.26 | Brizz | for example, trunk is my development folder |
| 20:09.29 | herlo | svn tag and svn branch won't work for you? |
| 20:09.42 | Brizz | I need an easy way to merge my changes from trunk inot the branches/TEST folder |
| 20:09.50 | Brizz | I can't just re-copy the files |
| 20:10.01 | Brizz | and merge wants to merge with my current working copy |
| 20:10.18 | Brizz | so I have to switch to the test branch, merge with ther working branch, commit, then switch back to the trunk |
| 20:10.34 | Brizz | it seems like someone should have come up with a program to handle that crap for you :) |
| 20:10.46 | herlo | Brizz: yeah, svn |
| 20:11.08 | Brizz | I mean to simplify all those steps :) |
| 20:11.10 | herlo | svn branch it out...work in the branch. When you are done, go back to the trunk and do a svn merge |
| 20:11.17 | herlo | its like 3 steps |
| 20:11.25 | herlo | or 4 but still |
| 20:11.33 | Brizz | I think I'm using branches backwards from how people typically do |
| 20:11.34 | herlo | its not that hard |
| 20:11.44 | Brizz | the TEST branch is the currently deployed TEST build |
| 20:11.50 | Brizz | i.e. we don't work in there |
| 20:12.07 | clutchmm | does ubunto use the drum sound as a default if you don't have a sound set? |
| 20:12.19 | herlo | that's fine, you should still be able to merge two branches togehter, although I'll admit I've not tried that... |
| 20:12.27 | Brizz | you can |
| 20:12.30 | herlo | clutchmm: it should be set |
| 20:12.34 | Brizz | here's the problem though |
| 20:12.41 | Brizz | I work in svn/trunk |
| 20:12.46 | Brizz | so that is my working copy |
| 20:13.08 | Brizz | I need to merge trunk into TEST |
| 20:13.16 | herlo | yeah, you are working backwards. Fix that first... |
| 20:13.16 | Brizz | but it wants to merge TEST into trunk |
| 20:13.33 | herlo | make a new branch of trunk |
| 20:13.42 | herlo | and then merge TEST into trunk |
| 20:14.01 | herlo | of course, before that, copy all of your trunk stuff off to your new branch |
| 20:14.17 | Brizz | I would still have the same problem |
| 20:14.24 | herlo | no, you wouldn't |
| 20:14.26 | herlo | how? |
| 20:14.54 | clutchmm | herlo: what is the sound point I need to set for the login manager? |
| 20:15.18 | Brizz | because the currently deployed TEST is still in the TEST branch |
| 20:15.20 | Brizz | we don't work in TEST |
| 20:15.24 | Brizz | trunk is technically DEV |
| 20:15.28 | clutchmm | like the name of the action? |
| 20:16.25 | clutchmm | e.g. login, logout, alert message, etc... |
| 20:21.41 | Brizz | herlo, how do you handle that, or do you even bother? |
| 20:37.46 | herlo | Brizz: I don't bother. I'd fix the broken model you are following and do it the right way |
| 20:37.58 | Brizz | there isn't really a "Right way" |
| 20:38.08 | Brizz | the right way is the way that works |
| 20:38.09 | herlo | Brizz: yes, there is... |
| 20:38.20 | Brizz | in CVS you could branch and tag and give each branch/tag a name |
| 20:38.24 | herlo | the right way is the way the application intended you to do the work... |
| 20:39.54 | Brizz | I'm doing it the way that the svnbook reads |
| 20:39.54 | Brizz | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch04s02.html |
| 20:41.06 | Brizz | I think that it is intended to work the way I described before |
| 20:41.36 | Brizz | by switching to the branch, merging in the trunk, committing it, and then switching back to trunk |
| 20:43.33 | herlo | Brizz: but I think you are missing one thing |
| 20:43.47 | herlo | all rcs's work the way I described. svn is not different |
| 20:44.40 | Brizz | well the svnbook describes trunk as the place where the "main line" of development is taking place |
| 20:44.45 | Brizz | i.e. latest and greatest |
| 20:45.37 | Brizz | that's how I've always understood it, myself. |
| 20:46.31 | herlo | Brizz: yes, that's ture |
| 20:46.33 | herlo | true |
| 20:47.09 | herlo | but what you might not see is that the main trunk is also not being developed. Each developer should have his/her own branch, which is then merged back into trunk. Making trunk the central point for all development |
| 20:47.19 | herlo | or "main line" if you will |
| 20:47.54 | Brizz | why do it that way, though |
| 20:47.56 | Brizz | that's what I'm asking |
| 20:48.16 | herlo | because its better |
| 20:48.22 | Brizz | heh |
| 20:48.24 | herlo | and it works for small and large dev projects |
| 20:48.30 | Zelut | that's always a helpful answer |
| 20:48.35 | Brizz | on our project it wouldn't make any difference |
| 20:48.36 | herlo | haha ! |
| 20:48.43 | herlo | Brizz: but it already has |
| 20:48.51 | Zelut | "because its better and you're retarded" |
| 20:48.53 | Brizz | our personal testing environments are on our own machines |
| 20:49.06 | herlo | my point is that if you followed the standard model, you'd not have the problems you are describing |
| 20:49.17 | Brizz | but I do lol |
| 20:49.20 | herlo | Brizz: but you can't merge back without affecting testing |
| 20:49.26 | Brizz | I still have to branch trunk every time there is a release |
| 20:49.34 | herlo | er whatever its called |
| 20:49.50 | herlo | Brizz: you don't have too do that... |
| 20:49.51 | Brizz | TEST has a build that sits there for a week at a time |
| 20:50.04 | Brizz | every week I want the TEST branch updated with the latest code from trunk |
| 20:50.09 | herlo | but branching allows you to do development and when its done move it back to trunk |
| 20:50.20 | herlo | Brizz: I see what you are saying... |
| 20:50.43 | Brizz | okay :) I figured it was my lack of speaking abilities as usual so I'm glad I was right :) |
| 20:50.50 | herlo | but why not have a branch that can be updated from other branches instead. Seems the same to me. Then when the dev is done, move it all back to trunk... |
| 20:51.00 | herlo | I didn't say you were right |
| 20:51.16 | Brizz | I meant I was right that I wasn't communicating well |
| 20:52.26 | Brizz | no matter what the case I always have the problem where I have to switch to a particular branch, merge the other changes into it, and then switch back to the other branch |
| 20:52.36 | herlo | oh |
| 20:52.37 | herlo | okay |
| 20:52.48 | Brizz | but I cna't find an application that handles all of that by itself |
| 20:52.57 | herlo | Brizz: true, but branch merging is easier than merging trunk to the branch |
| 20:53.08 | Brizz | where I say "merge this branch into that branch" and it just handles all the switching and merging and comitting and stuff by itself |
| 20:53.20 | Brizz | not really, it's the same process |
| 20:53.35 | Brizz | trunk is really just the same thing as a branch as far as subversion is concerned |
| 20:53.48 | herlo | true |
| 20:54.10 | Brizz | technically you are right, I should have a DEV branch and separate working branches so that while a deploy is taking place I don't have to make everyone stop working |
| 20:54.30 | Brizz | but there are only two developers on this project right now so we don't have any problems with that yet |
| 20:55.32 | herlo | Brizz: yeah, for two developers, I'd have one branch and keep trunk out of the mix until the changes are complete |
| 20:55.41 | herlo | then do a merge back to trunk |
| 21:01.16 | Zelut | atoponce: ping |
| 21:01.40 | atoponce | Zelut: pong |
| 21:03.27 | Zelut | atoponce: what irssi theme are you using? |
| 21:03.37 | atoponce | madcow |
| 21:04.18 | herlo | s/love/loves/g |
| 21:06.07 | maquis | gl314? |
| 21:06.42 | Zelut | maquis: GL class |
| 21:07.00 | Zelut | atoponce: I backed up most of the server before I rebuilt last nite and forget all my irssi stuff! |
| 21:07.12 | Zelut | atoponce: trying to setup my channels, themes, etc again today.. *sigh* |
| 21:07.27 | clutchmm | alright guys, My first experience with linux was about a half an hour with yellow dog 5.0 for my ps3, I still have it but haven't used it since I have been learning linux with ubuntu. One thing I liked about yellow dog was multiple desktops that I just had to scroll past the edge of the page to switch to. Does ubuntu have anything like that? |
| 21:08.11 | Zelut | clutchmm: ubuntu has multiple desktops but not defaulted to rotating via the mouse. |
| 21:08.47 | Zelut | atoponce: I must have been using another theme because this doesn't look like what I'm used to.. |
| 21:08.59 | clutchmm | they don't have to rotate with the mouse but how do I switch between them? |
| 21:09.00 | atoponce | Zelut: i think you were using the xchat theme |
| 21:09.04 | atoponce | not sure, though |
| 21:09.39 | Brizz | clutch, there should be squares with numbers in them somewhere on your screen |
| 21:10.33 | clutchmm | there are 2 squares in the bottom right corner but no numbers, how many desktops does ubuntu support? |
| 21:10.48 | Brizz | you can enable several of them |
| 21:10.54 | Brizz | not sure what the limit is |
| 21:10.57 | Brizz | most people use 4 I think |
| 21:11.03 | Zelut | how dumb, the xchat comes in a tar.gz whereas everything else is .theme |
| 21:11.18 | Zelut | I generally use four, but you can stack it high if you want. |
| 21:11.20 | clutchmm | so what is the advantage of having multiple desktops? |
| 21:11.38 | Brizz | you can toss windows on another screen if you don't need them right away |
| 21:11.51 | Brizz | or you can have all of your work stuff on one desktop and your music player and stuff on another |
| 21:11.52 | clutchmm | huh? |
| 21:11.55 | Brizz | or variations on that theme |
| 21:12.10 | clutchmm | that makes sense |
| 21:12.26 | clutchmm | how do you 'toss' a window? |
| 21:12.32 | Brizz | hehe |
| 21:12.37 | Brizz | toss was a poor word choice |
| 21:13.20 | clutchmm | can I have diffrent backgrounds for each work space? |
| 21:13.24 | Brizz | yes |
| 21:14.27 | Brizz | are Ubuntu doing Feisty discs? |
| 21:14.35 | Brizz | I just gave away my last 6.10 disc today |
| 21:15.13 | atoponce | Zelut: does the virtual workspaces have the annoying tooltip when your mouse is over it? |
| 21:15.19 | atoponce | in feisty |
| 21:15.30 | atoponce | "Switch between workspaces" or whatever |
| 21:15.34 | Zelut | atoponce: yes |
| 21:15.44 | atoponce | grrr |
| 21:15.48 | Zelut | atoponce: and yes I must have been using xchat. this looks familiar. |
| 21:16.03 | Zelut | my guess is you can turn that off in gconf-editor someplace |
| 21:16.16 | atoponce | do the ubuntu devs think that's cute? i don't. i hate it! and there is no way to turn it off, that i have found |
| 21:16.43 | Zelut | atoponce: just tooltips in general? |
| 21:16.58 | atoponce | no. just the workspace mouse over tooltip |
| 21:17.25 | atoponce | sooooooo annoying |
| 21:17.44 | atoponce | and i've looked in the gconf editor, and there's nothing in there to turn it off that i can find |
| 21:17.52 | Zelut | why is it *so* annoying? my mouse is never even over there |
| 21:17.57 | maquis | sometimes i'll use 3 |
| 21:18.34 | clutchmm | ok I switched to the other work space and changed the background but when I switched back to this one the wallpaper stayed the same |
| 21:18.37 | atoponce | Zelut: first, i don't need to see it. i know that is the workspace switcher. ubuntu is the only one who does this |
| 21:18.58 | atoponce | second, i'd rather see the virt desktop name that i gave it, rather than that blasted tooltip |
| 21:19.12 | Zelut | atoponce: I'm sure there are thousands of users, clutchmm being one for example, that have no idea what it does. |
| 21:19.15 | clutchmm | also how do I add more work spaces |
| 21:19.28 | Zelut | clutchmm: right-click, preferences |
| 21:19.34 | atoponce | that's great. give me a way to turn it off then |
| 21:19.40 | atoponce | rather than make me suffer so |
| 21:20.10 | Zelut | atoponce: honestly I don't see how its that annoying. I switch with the keyboard and my mouse is never there. |
| 21:20.36 | atoponce | i use the keyboard 90% of the time too. but the 10% of the time that i use the mouse, i would rather not see it |
| 21:20.44 | [phoenyx] | isn't there a keyboard shortcut to move the currently focused window to another workspace? |
| 21:21.01 | atoponce | ctrl+shift+alt+arrow |
| 21:21.37 | [phoenyx] | nice |
| 21:21.39 | atoponce | seriously, it bugs |
| 21:22.32 | atoponce | i don't see how it's so hard to figure out without the tooltip anyway |
| 21:22.50 | atoponce | my first try at linux, i thought "what is this?" clicked, and was "wow. that's cool" |
| 21:22.56 | atoponce | basic curiosity |
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| 21:25.40 | Zelut | gotta run |
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| 21:35.52 | opapo | I am trying to get my ldap server to run ldaps |
| 21:36.13 | opapo | I get this error: |
| 21:36.14 | opapo | ldap_start_tls: Can't contact LDAP server (-1) |
| 21:36.38 | opapo | I have installed starttls on the server |
| 21:38.43 | opapo | I also get: additional info: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed |
| 21:41.29 | maquis | note to self: never allow outlook to "auto-archive" old items |
| 21:41.43 | maquis | it's very misleading |
| 21:41.58 | maquis | it says "do you want me to archive some things so that i run faster?" |
| 21:42.08 | maquis | what it means is "can i please mess up your life?" |
| 21:42.44 | opapo | :) |
| 21:42.47 | opapo | sorry |
| 21:47.40 | [phoenyx] | maquis: is outlook required for your job? |
| 22:01.47 | maquis | [phoenyx]: unfortunately... :) |
| 22:08.06 | sontek | If groupwise and evolution were comparable they wouldn't have to require it =) |
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| 23:47.40 | maquis | cal |
