| 00:09.08 | RoundyT1 | im setting up a cafepress :-D |
| 00:09.15 | RoundyT1 | gonna make some good stuff...? |
| 00:11.58 | sontek | atoponce: does vim have dvorak bindings or did you have to change everything to make sense? :P |
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| 01:45.54 | Stk | Whats your guys fav place to eat in slc |
| 02:37.26 | scottymuse | grandma's house. |
| 02:37.56 | scottymuse | But if your talking commercial, Rodesio grill. But this coming from a guy who lives in logan. |
| 02:39.14 | atoponce | i'm partial to barbacoa |
| 02:39.21 | atoponce | *good* burritos |
| 03:10.00 | Sir_Brizz | rodizio is too pricey |
| 03:10.58 | burnthegreat | so tell me about the ubuntu-utah meetings? |
| 03:11.29 | atoponce | well, the next meeting is going to be our feisty release party |
| 03:11.54 | atoponce | it'll be at a cafe, and a lot of fun. food, drinks, free wireless... |
| 03:12.16 | atoponce | all the others are usually over some aspect of ubuntu, though |
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| 03:12.32 | atoponce | like creating debian packages, setting up servers, or whatever |
| 03:13.40 | RoundyT1 | April 28th? that's like forever away |
| 03:13.57 | atoponce | 21st |
| 03:14.01 | atoponce | is the release party |
| 03:14.06 | burnthegreat | sweet. I am so going to be there |
| 03:14.10 | atoponce | 28th is for the irc meet |
| 03:14.40 | RoundyT1 | should have an IRC meeting sooner (in my opinion) because of the cancelled one |
| 03:15.10 | burnthegreat | what is the diffrence between the irc meetings and the regular meetings? |
| 03:15.17 | atoponce | hmmm, if we do, we'll have to announce it real soon to give people time to prepare |
| 03:15.28 | RoundyT1 | prepare what? |
| 03:15.33 | atoponce | burnthegreat: the irc meetings are usually planning meetings about how to shape the group |
| 03:15.44 | atoponce | RoundyT1: their schedule, so they can be present |
| 03:16.20 | burnthegreat | can any one join the irc meetings as well? |
| 03:16.24 | atoponce | yeah |
| 03:16.27 | atoponce | their open |
| 03:16.28 | burnthegreat | cool. |
| 03:16.34 | RoundyT1 | hm.... i think they should be more often...we should get rolling on improving stuff and SPREADING THE WORD |
| 03:16.36 | atoponce | s/their/they're/ |
| 03:17.07 | atoponce | RoundyT1: i agree. but, i'm not making any decisions without Zelut here. he's the boss. :) |
| 03:17.30 | atoponce | and with him in NJ for the week studying for an RHCE exam, i doubt we'll see him much |
| 03:17.44 | burnthegreat | I am kind of excited I found this channel/group. |
| 03:17.58 | burnthegreat | I hang out with way to many windows users. |
| 03:18.04 | atoponce | heh |
| 03:18.20 | atoponce | you won't find many windows sympathizers here |
| 03:18.23 | burnthegreat | so I have to hold back when i talk about computers or else they get lost and I look like i am crazy. |
| 03:18.25 | atoponce | except for maybe sontek |
| 03:18.31 | atoponce | :) |
| 03:20.07 | RoundyT1 | since i've been here -- which isn't long....i havn't seen much progress and i don't mean that to come off rudely at all, or anything like it. I just think that we as a so called "team" should get a move on. |
| 03:20.56 | burnthegreat | well I hope I can help out with that |
| 03:20.58 | atoponce | RoundyT1: oh, we are a very active team |
| 03:21.01 | RoundyT1 | and maybe im a douche |
| 03:21.04 | RoundyT1 | lol |
| 03:21.09 | atoponce | we're aren't stale in any sense of the term |
| 03:21.17 | atoponce | you just came in right in the middle |
| 03:21.29 | RoundyT1 | well, ya, you are always here, and always help people and that's totally awesome |
| 03:21.42 | atoponce | the irc meet that we canceled is the first cancelation since it's been organized |
| 03:21.52 | RoundyT1 | lol oh |
| 03:21.59 | atoponce | most everyone here is *very* active |
| 03:22.02 | atoponce | i'm not the only one |
| 03:22.46 | atoponce | and there are even more, that are not here in irc, that come to the meetings and hang out on the mailing list |
| 03:22.47 | RoundyT1 | see, i don't really know the past...so...ya, i just based it off NOW experiences-- the "you" was meaning everyone (all the members) ... |
| 03:22.55 | atoponce | :) |
| 03:23.01 | RoundyT1 | which isn't good to do. (basing it off that) |
| 03:23.14 | atoponce | come to the feisty release party, and you'll see what sort of group this is.... :) |
| 03:23.31 | atoponce | we're one of the most active in the us |
| 03:23.34 | atoponce | seriously |
| 03:23.50 | burnthegreat | so i have a question |
| 03:23.58 | atoponce | go for it |
| 03:24.03 | RoundyT1 | haha, you're right, i havn't had enough time "in" to really know lol |
| 03:24.37 | burnthegreat | how long have the UUIDs for partitions been incorperated into the kernel? |
| 03:25.03 | atoponce | good question. i have no idea. :( |
| 03:25.21 | burnthegreat | The first time a saw it was when i installed ubuntu on my main box. |
| 03:25.40 | burnthegreat | befor that i have never seen it befor... and i have to say. it is a damn sexy idea |
| 03:28.08 | atoponce | hmm. not getting an answer. if i get one, i'll let you know |
| 03:28.24 | burnthegreat | ok |
| 03:28.45 | RoundyT1 | what exactly is the UUID? |
| 03:28.51 | RoundyT1 | or a UUID? |
| 03:29.09 | atoponce | burnthegreat: do you mean into ubuntu's kernel(s)? |
| 03:29.15 | sontek | the uuid's have been there as long as I can remember (its created by the file system) |
| 03:29.28 | sontek | they just started gaining popularity as default in fstab though |
| 03:29.34 | burnthegreat | ahhh |
| 03:29.35 | sontek | I prefer using labels |
| 03:29.57 | RoundyT1 | ...what are they? |
| 03:29.58 | sontek | because if you re-write a file system on them the uuid will be reset as far as I know |
| 03:30.06 | RoundyT1 | dang i need a book |
| 03:30.21 | burnthegreat | they are an id assigned to a partition |
| 03:30.27 | sontek | RoundyT1: just use google once in awhile :P |
| 03:30.29 | atoponce | burnthegreat: 21:20 < crimsun> well, the udev side is 093-0ubuntu5 (as of Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:44:22 +0100) |
| 03:30.34 | sontek | uuid is universally unique identifier |
| 03:30.52 | sontek | you can type define: uuid into google and it'll pull it up |
| 03:30.55 | RoundyT1 | i did - doesn't mean anything to mean Unique Identifiers? |
| 03:31.02 | RoundyT1 | oh define |
| 03:31.38 | atoponce | burnthegreat: does that answer your question? i'm in #ubuntu-devel discussing it now |
| 03:31.47 | burnthegreat | it does |
| 03:31.52 | atoponce | cool |
| 03:32.17 | burnthegreat | I am just trying to figure out if i am a noob or how bad i have been out of the linux loop. |
| 03:32.51 | sontek | burnthegreat: you checkout the fstab man page for more info on the UUID's, it has some pretty good info on it |
| 03:33.05 | burnthegreat | I will |
| 03:34.21 | burnthegreat | yep. I am a noob. |
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| 03:35.38 | sontek | or you just have different needs =) |
| 03:36.08 | sontek | The only reason I found out about uuid's and labels in fstab is because I was sick of re-writing my fstab everytime I moved hdd's around |
| 03:37.14 | burnthegreat | point taken |
| 03:38.12 | Heartsbane | Night all |
| 03:38.18 | sontek | Heartsbane: gnight |
| 03:38.25 | burnthegreat | night |
| 03:39.20 | burnthegreat | ok another question. on the launchpad, what does Ubuntero mean? |
| 03:39.35 | sontek | burnthegreat: that you signed the Code of Conduct |
| 03:40.27 | atoponce | signed, with your gpg key, and emailed |
| 03:40.39 | atoponce | i don't think they do the hand-sig / fax anymore |
| 03:41.38 | burnthegreat | code of conduct huh? This is almost like becoming a mason. |
| 03:42.54 | atoponce | lol |
| 03:50.20 | sontek | atoponce: you should do a presentation on web development in Python at the next meet =) |
| 03:50.36 | atoponce | heh |
| 03:50.47 | atoponce | that'd be a long meet |
| 03:50.53 | sontek | :D |
| 03:51.06 | sontek | we'll do it at orbit, drinks, food, and python |
| 03:51.59 | burnthegreat | I would love to hear about that accually |
| 03:52.35 | sontek | I've played wth django and turbogears but never did and full fledged development |
| 03:52.51 | sontek | s/and/any/ |
| 03:53.02 | sontek | gah I screwed that one up |
| 03:53.53 | RoundyT1 | im up for learning anything. I need to learn all. haha. I'm in for learning that.. |
| 03:54.03 | atoponce | it's fun, but django and python would take a while to explain |
| 03:54.18 | atoponce | because, it's a different way of thinking, when doing web dev |
| 03:54.21 | RoundyT1 | So are we supposed to bring like laptops or....what's the deal with the "meets" |
| 03:54.22 | sontek | atoponce: there is a presentation on django at BYU UUG in a couple weeks |
| 03:54.28 | atoponce | hmmm |
| 03:54.34 | atoponce | i might go to that, actually. :) |
| 03:54.50 | atoponce | RoundyT1: most of us bring our laptops, but you don't *have* to |
| 03:55.07 | sontek | RoundyT1: I just bring my lappy to take notes, other than that its pretty useless |
| 03:55.34 | atoponce | i bring mine to show off the stickers on the back. :) |
| 03:55.42 | burnthegreat | haha |
| 03:55.45 | atoponce | and hang out in irc, if it gets boring |
| 03:56.39 | burnthegreat | so who here uses irssi/ |
| 03:56.45 | sontek | atoponce: haha, I don't remember your stickers, but you can't even see stuart's laptop, only stickers |
| 03:56.59 | atoponce | mines getting that way |
| 03:57.14 | sontek | I only have my ubuntu sticker on there right now |
| 03:57.27 | burnthegreat | ok, when you press ctrl+z in irssi what do you see? |
| 03:57.28 | RoundyT1 | okie |
| 03:57.51 | sontek | ctrl+z will kill it |
| 03:57.54 | burnthegreat | is that an easter egg? |
| 03:58.04 | burnthegreat | it does not on mine |
| 03:58.14 | sontek | ctrl+z should send it to the background |
| 03:58.22 | sontek | and then you should bring it back with fg |
| 03:58.22 | RoundyT1 | www.cafepress.com/sudoaptget |
| 03:58.23 | burnthegreat | it says "the child has been stoped, restarting" |
| 03:58.43 | RoundyT1 | im gonna make some ubuntu-utah shirts :-D |
| 03:59.17 | sontek | RoundyT1: ara you from Utah? :P |
| 03:59.27 | Hunding | I can provide the equipment to put the iron-on's on a T-Shirt |
| 03:59.38 | RoundyT1 | ...um if i wasn't could i still? |
| 04:01.04 | RoundyT1 | sontek, ... |
| 04:02.28 | sontek | RoundyT1: You do whatever floats your boat =) |
| 04:02.40 | RoundyT1 | I live in West Jordan |
| 04:04.27 | sontek | RoundyT1: ahh, I just assumed you were from boston because you are always on from a MA ip |
| 04:04.59 | RoundyT1 | MA ip? what the heck? really? |
| 04:05.05 | sontek | and Roundy doesn't have a location in UT as far as I know |
| 04:05.16 | RoundyT1 | www.roundy.net |
| 04:05.58 | RoundyT1 | why the heck do i have that? |
| 04:05.59 | sontek | ahh different roundy |
| 04:06.10 | sontek | lol I dunno :P |
| 04:06.10 | RoundyT1 | c-71-195-222-165.hsd1.ma.comcast.net |
| 04:06.16 | sontek | you are always on that |
| 04:06.20 | sontek | do you have a server you shell into? |
| 04:06.21 | RoundyT1 | i know |
| 04:06.33 | RoundyT1 | ssh into ...yes? |
| 04:06.48 | sontek | that is located in MA? =) |
| 04:07.16 | RoundyT1 | ha, nope |
| 04:07.20 | RoundyT1 | located...in my home. |
| 04:07.43 | RoundyT1 | im gonna call comcast really quick and ask why. |
| 04:12.17 | RoundyT1 | lol normal comcast tech is like "i don't know if that's associated with MA or not" |
| 04:12.34 | RoundyT1 | "let me see if i can find someone that can help you out with that" |
| 04:15.21 | RoundyT1 | "may route through MA" "may not" |
| 04:15.51 | RoundyT1 | holy crap if it does...i would need to change something soon |
| 04:16.00 | atoponce | why |
| 04:16.09 | sontek | do a traceroute |
| 04:16.11 | atoponce | my ip went through mn for years |
| 04:16.19 | RoundyT1 | weird |
| 04:16.24 | atoponce | what's the big deal. it's the 'net |
| 04:16.33 | RoundyT1 | cause it sends your data everywhere. |
| 04:16.43 | RoundyT1 | I will need to start sending encrypted emails |
| 04:16.54 | atoponce | all the more reason to use gpg and tor my friend |
| 04:17.01 | RoundyT1 | some have very important info in them (not too important) but ya. |
| 04:17.11 | RoundyT1 | haha. which i have no clue about. |
| 04:17.14 | RoundyT1 | yet- |
| 04:17.17 | atoponce | :) |
| 04:17.22 | atoponce | http://tor.eff.org |
| 04:17.28 | atoponce | http://www.gnupg.org |
| 04:18.27 | RoundyT1 | thank you. more bookmarks :-D |
| 04:18.40 | atoponce | :) |
| 04:23.30 | RoundyT1 | what does Ubuntu use for GPG? |
| 04:23.39 | atoponce | gpg |
| 04:23.54 | RoundyT1 | anything GUI?? |
| 04:24.19 | atoponce | no. gpg is a command line util. there are front ends that hook into it though |
| 04:24.36 | atoponce | gpa, kgpg, enigmail for thunderbird, seahorse, etc |
| 04:24.37 | RoundyT1 | ya-what's the keyring manager? |
| 04:24.48 | atoponce | they're all listed on the gnupg site |
| 04:25.14 | atoponce | the keyring manager is just what it says. it manages your keyrings, both private and public |
| 04:25.43 | RoundyT1 | GPG is totally seperate huh? |
| 04:25.50 | burnthegreat | mm beer |
| 04:25.55 | atoponce | yeah |
| 04:26.05 | atoponce | gpg is what does all the work |
| 04:26.13 | atoponce | the frontends won't function without it |
| 04:27.08 | RoundyT1 | front ends are for noobies? |
| 04:27.28 | atoponce | no |
| 04:27.43 | atoponce | front ends are guis to some backend |
| 04:27.48 | atoponce | in this case, gpg |
| 04:28.11 | atoponce | just as thunderbird is a frontend to your mta |
| 04:28.39 | Heartsbane | Your really harshing RoundyT1's mellow atoponce. |
| 04:28.50 | Heartsbane | TTYL |
| 04:28.58 | atoponce | g'night |
| 04:29.42 | RoundyT1 | i'm so tired i don't even know what "harshing my mellow" means |
| 04:29.57 | atoponce | i'm getting there |
| 04:30.02 | atoponce | eyes getting heavy |
| 04:33.43 | atoponce | RoundyT1: btw- harshing someone's mellow means bringing down their mood |
| 04:34.46 | atoponce | like- "he's always harshing my mellow" -> "he's always bringing me down" |
| 04:34.57 | atoponce | at least, that's how i understand it |
| 04:34.58 | burnthegreat | unless one is drinking. then they are invinable to harshing ones mellow |
| 04:35.37 | atoponce | heh. when you're drunk, chances are, you've harshed your own mellow. :) |
| 04:35.55 | burnthegreat | lol |
| 04:36.16 | atoponce | i need to go to bed |
| 04:36.38 | burnthegreat | me too. but i dont want to |
| 04:38.03 | RoundyT1 | i am stayin' up for a while i think |
| 04:38.36 | atoponce | g'night |
| 04:38.53 | RoundyT1 | later |
| 04:39.22 | burnthegreat | night |
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| 13:57.41 | sontek | 7am was way to early to get to work today |
| 14:01.18 | Hunding | 7 am is too early to open your eyes. |
| 14:01.23 | Hunding | nevermind working |
| 14:06.03 | RoundyT1 | 7am? what's that? |
| 14:06.16 | RoundyT1 | ha, just kidding, ya, i wish i could say that |
| 14:06.21 | RoundyT1 | 9 is about good |
| 14:40.51 | sontek | we had 2 huge events going live today |
| 14:40.51 | sontek | so we had to be here to make sure things weren't broken |
| 14:40.52 | sontek | I wanted to go live on Sunday but *sigh* |
| 15:05.00 | herlo | poor sontek, no rest for the wicked |
| 15:05.14 | sontek | :( |
| 15:05.25 | redbeard1 | ~lart herlo |
| 15:05.25 | jbot | does a little 'dpkg -P herlo' action |
| 15:05.31 | burnthegreat | morning people |
| 15:05.33 | sontek | I watch a little of the conference |
| 15:05.34 | redbeard1 | morning! |
| 15:05.40 | herlo | ~lart jbot |
| 15:05.40 | jbot | slaps herlo upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 15:06.40 | herlo | ~lart sontek |
| 15:06.40 | jbot | beats sontek into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy |
| 15:06.48 | herlo | much better |
| 15:07.01 | herlo | jbot: why are you mean to me? |
| 15:07.03 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, herlo |
| 15:07.19 | herlo | hmmm |
| 15:07.44 | redbeard1 | herlo: jbot has no loyalties |
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| 15:17.37 | sontek | :[ |
| 15:20.15 | atoponce | herlo: pong ping |
| 15:26.04 | burnthegreat | so how is it going today? |
| 15:30.25 | maquis | *yawn* |
| 15:35.00 | maquis | hrm |
| 15:37.08 | burnthegreat | yep |
| 15:37.27 | RoundyT1 | guess what? im learning about directories :-D |
| 15:38.38 | atoponce | http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1722&page=1 « perfect example of a newsfeed that i will never read |
| 15:38.39 | maquis | RoundyT1: what are you learning about them? |
| 15:39.00 | RoundyT1 | what goes in which. |
| 15:39.08 | atoponce | i am not going to click through 20 pages just to read an article, so the site can maximize page views for their ads |
| 15:39.23 | atoponce | at which, i'm running adblock anyway, so it's not going to help them anyway |
| 15:39.24 | RoundyT1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.58 | maquis | RoundyT1: where are you learning that from? and what does it say about the distiction between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin? |
| 15:40.09 | maquis | (and does it mention /usr/local/etc? |
| 15:40.10 | maquis | ) |
| 15:40.51 | RoundyT1 | Linux system. The directory /usr/bin contains applications that users may need to execute, |
| 15:40.51 | RoundyT1 | /usr/lib contains libraries used by those programs, and so on. |
| 15:40.53 | maquis | ok... stupid vim question: I knwo that I can use :pwd to get the path that I'm currently at. Is there a way inside vim to get the filename of the file that's open? |
| 15:41.15 | maquis | RoundyT1: what about /usr/local/bin/? |
| 15:41.29 | maquis | ooh... irssi just tab-completed that! |
| 15:41.44 | maquis | nm |
| 15:41.50 | maquis | :file tells me the filename |
| 15:41.51 | RoundyT1 | idk, what's in it? mines empty |
| 15:41.55 | atoponce | maquis: yeah. nice, eh? |
| 15:42.04 | maquis | atoponce: :) |
| 15:42.39 | burnthegreat | o.0 |
| 15:43.14 | maquis | RoundyT1: for the distros that are strict about what goes where (or for *bsd), /usr/local/bin has applications that the user installed, and /usr/bin has more system-ish apps |
| 15:43.34 | atoponce | maquis: does *bsd follow lsb? |
| 15:43.45 | maquis | (in *bsd, the config files for user-installed apps are in /usr/local/etc, too, which really confused me quite a bit when i first played with it) |
| 15:44.12 | maquis | atoponce: i don't think they follow lsb perfectly... they focus on doing everything the way standard unix does it, more than the way that linux does it |
| 15:44.58 | atoponce | maquis: makes sense |
| 15:45.39 | maquis | atoponce: yeah |
| 15:46.10 | maquis | that's one of the things i hated when i first was getting used to fbsd, but eventually missed when i moved back to linux |
| 15:46.36 | maquis | i've found that linux is really inconsistent as to where it puts applications when i install them |
| 15:46.51 | atoponce | yeah |
| 15:46.56 | maquis | sometimes they end up someplace that isn't even in $PATH |
| 15:46.57 | atoponce | every distro has their own idea |
| 15:47.00 | atoponce | and it's frustrating |
| 15:47.34 | maquis | for example, it'll be in /usr/local/bin/$appname/$appname |
| 15:47.48 | maquis | or /usr/local/$appname/$appname |
| 15:48.23 | maquis | RoundyT1: did you ever get dns figured out? |
| 15:49.49 | atoponce | maquis: but even within unix, there really isn't consistency between unix derivatives |
| 15:49.58 | maquis | atoponce: definitely true |
| 15:50.04 | maquis | and definitely frustrating |
| 15:50.07 | atoponce | yes |
| 15:54.01 | RoundyT1 | lol i just called into x96 |
| 15:54.11 | redbeard1 | RoundyT1: did you win? |
| 15:54.21 | RoundyT1 | nah, i was askin about food |
| 15:54.24 | RoundyT1 | "Alex" |
| 15:54.39 | RoundyT1 | and i said the word, that isn't a word "ate-ten" |
| 15:55.00 | RoundyT1 | haha |
| 15:55.01 | redbeard1 | how did that go over? |
| 15:55.09 | redbeard1 | was it everything you hoped for and more? |
| 15:55.32 | RoundyT1 | ha, i guess, they made fun of me, i expected it. haha. and well he gave me some good places to eat |
| 16:00.02 | RoundyT1 | Pine, Bostina, and Sweet Tomatoes |
| 16:00.25 | redbeard1 | sweet tomatoes? the salad place? |
| 16:13.44 | herlo | encryptz: pong |
| 16:31.53 | RoundyT1 | apparently. the salad place |
| 16:32.39 | atoponce | herlo: you pinged me yesterday... |
| 16:39.35 | findlay | ~pong atoponce |
| 16:39.36 | jbot | atoponce: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:39.55 | burnthegreat | ~ping |
| 16:39.57 | jbot | pong |
| 16:40.25 | findlay | ~pong |
| 16:40.26 | jbot | PING! |
| 16:40.40 | atoponce | findlay: do you see me in your jabber list? |
| 16:40.53 | findlay | atoponce: you're not active currently |
| 16:40.58 | findlay | I only have google-jabber |
| 16:42.01 | burnthegreat | ohh man we had a good ping pong game going |
| 16:43.02 | atoponce | findlay: so, i show as offline |
| 16:43.59 | herlo | atoponce: I did? |
| 16:44.52 | atoponce | 11:41 < herlo> atoponce: ping |
| 16:44.54 | atoponce | yesterday |
| 16:45.04 | herlo | atoponce: hmm, was that last night late? |
| 16:45.36 | findlay | atoponce: yeah |
| 16:45.51 | atoponce | herlo: no. just before noon |
| 16:46.21 | atoponce | findlay: ok. thx |
| 16:47.32 | herlo | atoponce: hmm, it might have been to tell you that vsftpd does NOT work as an sftp subclient |
| 16:51.00 | atoponce | herlo: get my im? |
| 16:51.42 | atoponce | findlay: will you remove me from your roster, then readd me? the problem is gmail, apparently, with the way they handle xmmp |
| 16:51.53 | atoponce | s/mp/pp/ |
| 16:51.58 | atoponce | or whatever |
| 16:53.22 | herlo | atoponce: I did, depending on which one... |
| 16:53.34 | atoponce | about removing me, then adding me |
| 16:53.38 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.45 | herlo | that's it |
| 16:54.27 | atoponce | herlo: remove me from your roster, then re-add me |
| 16:54.37 | atoponce | it's a gmail thing with the way they do their invites |
| 16:54.46 | herlo | atoponce: working on it, is it aarontoponce at the gmail stuff? |
| 16:54.57 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah tristanbob (n=tristan@oalug/member/tristanbob) |
| 16:54.58 | atoponce | aaron at aarontoponce.org |
| 16:55.21 | herlo | okay |
| 16:57.01 | atoponce | sontek: i need you to do the same, if you wouldn't mind |
| 16:57.10 | herlo | atoponce: did you get my message? |
| 16:57.17 | atoponce | herlo: no |
| 16:57.57 | sontek | atoponce: done |
| 16:58.17 | atoponce | sontek: you readded me? i don't see an auth request |
| 16:58.21 | atoponce | herlo: same with you... |
| 16:58.34 | atoponce | gmail makes it very difficult |
| 16:59.49 | findlay | atoponce: get mine? |
| 16:59.53 | atoponce | findlay: gotcha |
| 17:00.02 | atoponce | findlay: am i online now? |
| 17:00.08 | findlay | yes |
| 17:00.11 | atoponce | cool |
| 17:00.27 | RoundyT1 | yay, cat 5 cable making time |
| 17:02.44 | herlo | atoponce: I didn't either |
| 17:03.52 | herlo | atoponce: removed, when you get it figured out, just add me. I'll look for the auth request... |
| 17:04.13 | Hunding | <sarcasm> |
| 17:04.13 | Hunding | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.13 | Hunding | </sarcasm> |
| 17:04.13 | Hunding | right? :} |
| 17:04.15 | atoponce | i don't know if it works that way, but i'll try |
| 17:04.20 | atoponce | herlo at gmail.com? |
| 17:04.31 | burnthegreat | what hand is a wedding ring kept on? |
| 17:04.35 | maquis | burnthegreat: left |
| 17:04.40 | burnthegreat | thanks |
| 17:04.44 | maquis | burnthegreat: why? |
| 17:05.05 | Hunding | LEFT ring finger, the direct vein to the heart. |
| 17:05.18 | burnthegreat | i am in software trianing and my trainer is pretty cute |
| 17:06.15 | maquis | burnthegreat: she's a geek? |
| 17:06.30 | maquis | or is she like a non-geek girl who happens to teach people how to use the software? |
| 17:07.07 | findlay | ~maquis training |
| 17:07.10 | jbot | ACTION breaks training just by looking in training's direction |
| 17:08.09 | burnthegreat | the later maquis |
| 17:08.20 | maquis | burnthegreat: ah |
| 17:09.40 | burnthegreat | BLAST! |
| 17:09.45 | atoponce | sontek: see the auth req? |
| 17:09.52 | burnthegreat | she has the ring |
| 17:11.10 | burnthegreat | I wonder if she is going to kill me in 7 days. |
| 17:13.00 | herlo | atoponce: yes |
| 17:13.17 | atoponce | herlo: k. adding now. keep an eye out for an auth req |
| 17:14.29 | atoponce | k. done |
| 17:14.31 | atoponce | anything? |
| 17:15.02 | herlo | atoponce: nope |
| 17:15.13 | atoponce | yeah. you need to add me, with the way google does it |
| 17:15.31 | atoponce | it's stupid |
| 17:15.48 | RoundyT1 | ya. i hate making cables |
| 17:16.52 | herlo | atoponce: okay, working on it |
| 17:16.58 | atoponce | cool. |
| 17:17.34 | herlo | atoponce: added... |
| 17:17.50 | sontek | atoponce: yeap :) |
| 17:18.11 | herlo | atoponce: see you, then you left |
| 17:18.26 | atoponce | grrr |
| 17:18.43 | atoponce | gmail jabber *SUXXXXXX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* |
| 17:19.10 | atoponce | herlo: can you resend an auth req? |
| 17:19.13 | atoponce | by chance? |
| 17:19.17 | atoponce | sontek: you see me now? |
| 17:19.32 | RoundyT1 | how do you pronounce fsck? "ef-sock"? |
| 17:19.35 | herlo | atoponce: I can, just a asec... |
| 17:19.40 | atoponce | herlo: thx |
| 17:19.59 | herlo | RoundyT1: depends, I've heard (fisk) or F-S-C-K or f-suck |
| 17:20.27 | RoundyT1 | should be f-sock :-D |
| 17:20.44 | RoundyT1 | "im putting on my f-socks today" |
| 17:20.50 | RoundyT1 | ? |
| 17:20.50 | atoponce | well, i need to get working. hilight me if you need me |
| 17:23.17 | herlo | atoponce: done |
| 17:23.34 | atoponce | herlo: nope. didn't get it. grrrr |
| 17:24.45 | herlo | well, maybe it will come through later... |
| 17:27.54 | atoponce | herlo: remove and re-add once more, if you wouldn't mind |
| 17:28.10 | herlo | oka |
| 17:29.07 | herlo | seems to have worked |
| 17:29.13 | herlo | did you see my msg? |
| 18:13.32 | burnthegreat | so what is going on? |
| 18:22.37 | herlo | burnthegreat: everything. |
| 18:22.59 | burnthegreat | that is alot |
| 18:23.35 | herlo | burnthegreat: yes, it is |
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| 18:25.22 | Zelut | greetings from NJ |
| 18:32.49 | Zelut | I come all this way and nobody is home.. sheesh |
| 18:33.23 | redbeard1 | ~lart Zelut |
| 18:33.23 | jbot | --purges Zelut |
| 18:48.56 | Zelut | this way I can connect to irssi at home and chat from class, even though no other clients are installed on this machine |
| 18:50.40 | burnthegreat | same here Zelut |
| 19:03.57 | Zelut | ohh man I just realized why my backup script hasn't been working for the past 6 months |
| 19:04.10 | Zelut | stupid little syntax errors. ugh! |
| 19:04.16 | maquis | Zelut: that doesn't sound happy |
| 19:04.18 | Zelut | glad to have it fixed though |
| 19:04.43 | Zelut | maquis: can you believe I never caught the lack of a -R when trying to use find -R ${sqldest}/ -mtime +7 -exec rm {} \; |
| 19:04.44 | maquis | Zelut: i'm hoping you discovered it hasn't worked for 6 months due to something nice and friendly like an error message in a log, rather than the mor ecommon way of discovering failed backups? |
| 19:05.02 | Zelut | it was backing things up, just not deleting the old stuff. |
| 19:05.30 | maquis | Zelut: yeah... but sometimes people don't notice that until a hard drive crash or something |
| 19:05.48 | Zelut | maquis: noticed it after my drive just filled up and the server stopped! |
| 19:06.01 | maquis | Zelut: ah |
| 19:06.02 | maquis | :) |
| 19:42.56 | *** join/#ubuntu-utah RoundyT1 (n=alex@roundyt1-xmission.xmission.com) |
| 19:43.36 | RoundyT1 | so i think we should schedule a meeting on the 14th of some sort |
| 19:45.05 | maquis | like... the 14th iteration of bubble-sort? |
| 19:45.16 | maquis | or do you prefer insertion sort? |
| 19:45.24 | maquis | quicksort is pretty nice |
| 19:53.05 | RoundyT1 | maquis, what do you listen to when reading? (any music) |
| 19:53.14 | maquis | when reading? |
| 19:53.22 | maquis | when i'm reading, i'm usually on the bus on the way to work |
| 19:53.31 | maquis | so, generally bus sounds |
| 19:53.34 | RoundyT1 | oh. dang. no study stuff? |
| 19:53.49 | maquis | nah |
| 19:53.51 | maquis | sometimes i |
| 19:53.55 | RoundyT1 | i need to find some good music to play while reading |
| 19:54.05 | maquis | 'll listen to some instrumental music |
| 19:56.11 | maquis | sometimes i listen to il divo |
| 19:56.22 | RoundyT1 | ya. i need to find some good instrumental |
| 19:56.28 | maquis | occasionally disney songs |
| 19:56.43 | RoundyT1 | cause when there's lyrics, i tend to want to sing along or think about the lyrics |
| 19:56.45 | maquis | generally, if it has words, it usually needs to be something i know really well already |
| 19:58.34 | maquis | occasionally, i'll listen to some CC music or the SXSW mp3s |
| 19:58.48 | maquis | i still haven't sorted through the SXSW mp3s from a year ago, though... |
| 20:10.18 | atoponce | sontek: i see you logged into jabber 4 times... is this correct? |
| 20:11.07 | RoundyT1 | oh |
| 20:16.31 | atoponce | nevermind |
| 20:16.34 | maquis | RoundyT1: i don't really listen to music all that often, though |
| 20:16.37 | atoponce | only 3 times now, which looks correct |
| 20:16.40 | maquis | and i don't get much time to read |
| 20:16.55 | RoundyT1 | ah, that's cool |
| 20:17.09 | RoundyT1 | atoponce, what are you and herlo trying to do? |
| 20:17.44 | atoponce | RoundyT1: get jabber straightened out between gmail and non-gmail |
| 20:17.47 | atoponce | it's a pain |
| 20:17.58 | RoundyT1 | im sorry |
| 20:18.07 | atoponce | moral of the story? don't use gmail for your jabber. get a decent jabber account |
| 20:18.16 | RoundyT1 | haha |
| 20:18.35 | atoponce | ~note RoundyT1 |
| 20:19.11 | RoundyT1 | ? |
| 20:19.22 | RoundyT1 | ~note |
| 20:19.23 | jbot | commandline note tool. URL: http://www.daemon.de/software.html |
| 20:19.23 | RoundyT1 | ? |
| 20:19.33 | atoponce | ahh sweet |
| 20:19.54 | RoundyT1 | what's this? |
| 20:20.25 | atoponce | jbot: no, note is $maquis is <action> takes note of $maquis |
| 20:20.26 | jbot | okay, atoponce |
| 20:20.33 | atoponce | ~note RoundyT1 |
| 20:20.41 | atoponce | bah |
| 20:20.57 | maquis | jbot: no, note $foo is <action> takes note of $foo |
| 20:20.58 | jbot | maquis: okay |
| 20:21.03 | maquis | ~note atoponce |
| 20:21.04 | jbot | ACTION takes note of atoponce |
| 20:21.15 | atoponce | ahh |
| 20:21.17 | atoponce | :) |
| 20:21.21 | atoponce | maquis: thx |
| 20:21.25 | maquis | atoponce: np |
| 20:21.26 | maquis | :) |
| 20:21.59 | atoponce | oh. ooops. i had it right but wrong. i can't believe i misplaced 'is' |
| 20:22.02 | atoponce | DUH! |
| 20:22.35 | atoponce | jbot: no, note $maquis is <action> takes note of $maquis and subits the information to google |
| 20:22.36 | jbot | atoponce: okay |
| 20:22.45 | atoponce | ~note maquis |
| 20:22.46 | jbot | ACTION takes note of maquis and subits the information to google |
| 20:23.39 | maquis | ~dict subit |
| 20:25.02 | atoponce | jbot: no, note $maquis is <action> takes note of $maquis and submits the information to google |
| 20:25.03 | jbot | okay, atoponce |
| 20:25.08 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:28.18 | Heartsbane | You want to hear something that has me all depressed |
| 20:35.13 | RoundyT1 | in this.... |
| 20:35.17 | RoundyT1 | wvh:x:1000:1000:William von Hagen,,,:/home/wvh:/bin/bas |
| 20:35.34 | RoundyT1 | the very last part....is the application that runs when i login.... |
| 20:35.48 | maquis | hmmm... i've never heard of /bin/bas |
| 20:35.53 | RoundyT1 | its bash |
| 20:36.06 | RoundyT1 | /bin/bash = ??? |
| 20:36.10 | Heartsbane | then it should be /bin/bash |
| 20:36.10 | RoundyT1 | a shell? |
| 20:36.14 | Heartsbane | Yes |
| 20:36.19 | maquis | RoundyT1: yup |
| 20:36.19 | RoundyT1 | i didn't copy and paste all of it |
| 20:36.27 | maquis | RoundyT1: good |
| 20:36.33 | RoundyT1 | so how would i know if its a shell? |
| 20:36.36 | maquis | otherwise i'd be guessing that things wouldn't work too nicely |
| 20:36.39 | maquis | RoundyT1: because it's bash |
| 20:36.40 | Heartsbane | Of course if your feeling daring you could learn TCSH |
| 20:36.43 | maquis | bash is a shell |
| 20:36.49 | herlo | Heartsbane: or zsh |
| 20:36.51 | maquis | as is zsh, tcsh, ksh, etc |
| 20:36.56 | maquis | zsh is my personal favorite |
| 20:36.59 | herlo | me too |
| 20:37.02 | Heartsbane | Yup..... TCSH is where I started |
| 20:37.08 | herlo | and yet, I rarely use it... |
| 20:37.20 | Heartsbane | Same. |
| 20:37.21 | herlo | because I've learned to live in bash because of work... |
| 20:37.53 | RoundyT1 | lol |
| 20:37.55 | RoundyT1 | ok. |
| 20:37.57 | maquis | herlo: why do you have to use bash? |
| 20:38.05 | Heartsbane | Damn that thing called "werq" ...... Damn it straight to hell |
| 20:38.09 | RoundyT1 | just learning the basics first lol |
| 20:38.15 | maquis | RoundyT1: it's just something you can know |
| 20:38.21 | maquis | RoundyT1: out of curiosity, where do you work? |
| 20:38.33 | RoundyT1 | www.roundy.net |
| 20:38.37 | RoundyT1 | :-D |
| 20:38.53 | maquis | RoundyT1: and you're an IT manager there? |
| 20:39.03 | RoundyT1 | "the" IT manager. |
| 20:39.05 | herlo | maquis: because I teach it for GL |
| 20:39.13 | maquis | herlo: right |
| 20:39.14 | RoundyT1 | the only IT savy guy....haha. yeah... |
| 20:39.18 | maquis | that makes sense |
| 20:39.28 | herlo | maquis: otherwise, I'd be on zsh most likely... |
| 20:39.31 | Heartsbane | Roundy: ROFL I am familiar with your company |
| 20:40.02 | maquis | RoundyT1: is this the extent of the website? |
| 20:43.42 | RoundyT1 | maquis, haha, unfortunately that's all the old IT left. haha, he said there wasn't a need for more than that |
| 20:43.47 | RoundyT1 | Heartsbane, ??? |
| 20:44.12 | maquis | RoundyT1: interesting....... |
| 20:44.20 | maquis | it's a touch... sparse |
| 20:44.53 | maquis | how long have you been there? |
| 20:45.16 | RoundyT1 | maquis, you're telling me! i want to update it, and probably will some day, but right now im "locked" out from mysql and can't even get an "alpha" working. |
| 20:45.28 | maquis | ? |
| 20:45.48 | RoundyT1 | i've been here only a few weeks... beginning of march |
| 20:46.00 | RoundyT1 | i don't have the passwords. |
| 20:46.17 | RoundyT1 | 0 root passwords |
| 20:46.22 | RoundyT1 | can't do crap. |
| 20:46.32 | RoundyT1 | and i don't feel like wasting my time to reset them all |
| 20:46.34 | Heartsbane | I beg to differ |
| 20:46.39 | maquis | RoundyT1: if you're the IT guy, why don't you have the passwords? |
| 20:47.21 | Heartsbane | You could go around and turn machines off.... I wouldn't call that "can't do crap" |
| 20:47.26 | RoundyT1 | maquis, cause i only had 1 1/2 week training and he never gave me everything...he went to work with Teleperformance....and i have his cell number but he never answers |
| 20:47.54 | maquis | RoundyT1: well, you're rather useless in your job if you don't have root passwords |
| 20:48.02 | RoundyT1 | exactly |
| 20:48.17 | RoundyT1 | so i just sit here alot of the time |
| 20:48.26 | RoundyT1 | until there's a different kind of issue |
| 20:48.49 | maquis | why don't you do something like... <lightbulb> **reset** the passwords |
| 20:48.51 | maquis | ? |
| 20:49.02 | RoundyT1 | too lazy |
| 20:49.21 | RoundyT1 | and the old manager ssh's into everything, so resetting it all would piss him off |
| 20:49.41 | maquis | the old manager who isn't working there anymore still has ssh access????? |
| 20:50.00 | Heartsbane | ROFL |
| 20:50.22 | RoundyT1 | yeah, he's a nice guy. |
| 20:50.32 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 20:51.14 | Heartsbane | Sorry I don't want to poke fun, but uh........ after this monday, doesn't that sound like corperate America |
| 20:51.14 | RoundyT1 | he does stuff i can't do |
| 20:51.34 | Heartsbane | in that way only represented in a Dilbert Comic |
| 20:51.49 | maquis | RoundyT1: ummm... |
| 20:51.55 | maquis | what are you getting paid for? |
| 20:53.55 | RoundyT1 | sitting around. fixing computers..."i can't login" "i need these permissions" "my printer wont work" purchasing new crap, managing the "wallboard", managing the intranet site, resetting servers, controlling firewall ports, buying stuff for the company to "improve" the company...i dont know... basic crap |
| 20:54.33 | maquis | RoundyT1: ok... here's a big question: let's say that some essential system goes down at work |
| 20:54.47 | maquis | it requires root to fix |
| 20:54.53 | RoundyT1 | windows. |
| 20:54.55 | RoundyT1 | :-D |
| 20:54.56 | maquis | you can't get hold of the old manager |
| 20:55.14 | RoundyT1 | 3 Servers running Windows 2003 and only 1 on debian |
| 20:55.19 | maquis | ok... |
| 20:55.27 | maquis | do you at least have admin rights on the windows boxen? |
| 20:55.32 | RoundyT1 | yes. |
| 20:55.33 | RoundyT1 | ha. |
| 20:55.36 | maquis | and, what about the stuff running on the debian box? |
| 20:55.39 | RoundyT1 | i did luck out and get those |
| 20:55.41 | maquis | email goes down |
| 20:55.45 | maquis | or... the website goes down |
| 20:55.55 | maquis | and your manager comes in yelling at you to get it back up *now* |
| 20:56.00 | maquis | what are you going to do? |
| 20:56.21 | RoundyT1 | its happened before, i email him, call him, and he ssh's in and fixes it.... |
| 20:57.00 | maquis | *head* *hits* *keyboard* |
| 20:57.31 | Heartsbane | *do* *it* *again* |
| 20:57.41 | RoundyT1 | umm....well its weird here... i guess. I take care of our phone system, that was screwed up the other day, fixed that with the help of the phone system company.... |
| 20:58.07 | RoundyT1 | xmission handles the email |
| 20:58.17 | RoundyT1 | xmission helps out ALOT more than they should. |
| 20:58.28 | RoundyT1 | but there aren't really ever HUGE problems...course there will be |
| 20:59.31 | RoundyT1 | i've restarted the debian machine which for some reason didn't load apache2, mysql, and pmysql, on boot so he had to fix it....weird i've asked him a few times...and i did have access once, then i guess he changed the passwords back to whatever he uses |
| 21:01.20 | Heartsbane | K folks I have had enough, I am going home now, this monday is over |
| 21:01.27 | Heartsbane | and remember |
| 21:01.40 | Heartsbane | 1/7th of your life is going to be spent on MONDAY |
| 21:02.19 | RoundyT1 | and the worst part is that i don't have a cell phone and my shift ends at 1. they are still open till 5:30...so those hours in between--if i'm not here....they can't contact me. |
| 21:02.20 | Heartsbane | try not to turn yourself into a 12 gauge popsicle with that sudden realization |
| 21:02.54 | RoundyT1 | i don't know what they're thinking |
| 21:03.04 | Heartsbane | I know what I am thinking |
| 21:03.08 | Heartsbane | make taco && make taco_condiments && make install | grep corona > /dev/mouth |
| 21:03.16 | Heartsbane | K thx bai |
| 21:03.33 | maquis | RoundyT1: no pager? |
| 21:03.53 | RoundyT1 | nothing |
| 21:03.59 | maquis | nice... |
| 21:04.03 | RoundyT1 | only email (and that's if i check it from home) |
| 21:04.12 | RoundyT1 | i think its funny |
| 21:04.23 | maquis | RoundyT1: i think it's scary |
| 21:04.48 | RoundyT1 | for them. but there's a guy here ... well lets just say he's not the brightest crayon in the box |
| 21:05.27 | RoundyT1 | and i "report" to him, and he doesn't let me do anything. it kinda sucks.... |
| 21:06.18 | RoundyT1 | I am "supposed" to work on computers and we only have 1 yes ONE screwdriver that is philips head and used for things like screws on laptops. |
| 21:08.00 | RoundyT1 | the CEO of the company is the crap. he's really nice and understands things. this other guy....well.....he's just "no" and like an old "skool" hippie. |
| 21:08.45 | maquis | RoundyT1: do they pay you well? |
| 21:11.44 | RoundyT1 | i guess for not having a degree i think its good pay |
| 21:11.51 | RoundyT1 | its better than pc laptops |
| 21:18.02 | atoponce | RoundyT1: ok. so, i just read the backlogs on this conversation, and i have a couple questions: |
| 21:18.48 | atoponce | 1) you are an admin with no admin rights to the system that is being bossed around by someone who no longer works for the company? |
| 21:20.00 | atoponce | 2) the guy that does work there, that you 'report' to, why don't you and him reset *all* passwords and parts, etc? effectively securing what you are supposed to be controlling? |
| 21:20.02 | mikearagua | i'm thinking RoundyT1 is going to be upper management in a matter of weeks. sounds like he's got the skills. |
| 21:20.16 | maquis | mikearagua: well stated |
| 21:20.25 | maquis | RoundyT1: out of curiosity, do you guys have any customers? |
| 21:20.39 | atoponce | RoundyT1: i'm not poking fun, i just find it ironic that *you* are the admin, and *you* aren't making the decisions |
| 21:21.09 | maquis | do those customers have any type of data that you might be required to keep confidential? (ie, CC numbers or something?) |
| 21:21.48 | burnthegreat | a grub 17 error means that the wring drive is selected in your grub.conf file right? |
| 21:22.01 | burnthegreat | wring == wrong. |
| 21:23.18 | atoponce | burnthegreat: not sure |
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| 21:23.56 | burnthegreat | i think I am correct. My friend has that error but i have not seen it in a while. |
| 21:24.10 | Stk | :) |
| 21:24.45 | atoponce | to be honest, grub is one of the things i've fiddled with least |
| 21:26.56 | burnthegreat | I was a big lilo fan myself for a while but lilo is lacking the support lately. |
| 21:44.38 | Stk | Whats the prob? |
| 21:46.19 | RoundyT1 | atoponce, its a crazy business. i don't get it either. its retarded. I don't get to do crap around here. |
| 21:46.51 | RoundyT1 | maquis, yes, Albertsons, CVS, Wallgreens, Rite Aid, ...etc. Stores like that |
| 21:55.08 | Heartsbane | Businesses will continue to survive inspite of themselves |
| 21:55.32 | Heartsbane | Anyways, has anyone tried WiCrawl on Ubuntu? |
| 21:57.16 | Heartsbane | http://midnightresearch.com/projects/wicrawl/ |
| 21:57.32 | Heartsbane | Think I will try that tonight on my neighbors |
| 21:57.46 | Heartsbane | I take it no one has used it? |
| 22:03.39 | maquis | RoundyT1: just a warning... if something happens that gets your system into trouble, "the other guy does it" isn't going to be a very good excuse |
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