| 01:24.54 | atoponce | Zelut: pong |
| 01:31.05 | sontek | slowest game of ping pong, ever! |
| 01:35.55 | atoponce | |. |
| 01:35.58 | etank | it is a big table :) |
| 03:07.03 | Zelut | atoponce: we always have slow games |
| 03:07.54 | atoponce | Zelut: how much was your macbook? |
| 03:08.18 | atoponce | and cpu, ram, hdd specs? |
| 03:09.07 | Zelut | atoponce: Core 2 Duo 2GHz, 2G DDR2, 80G HDD, CD/DVD Combo, wireless, built in camera, remote, etc.. just around $1200 |
| 03:09.20 | atoponce | k. hold on... |
| 03:09.38 | atoponce | $1855 for: |
| 03:09.47 | atoponce | Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz 4MB 667FSB |
| 03:09.55 | atoponce | 2 GB DDR2 667 MHz (2 x 1 GB) |
| 03:10.00 | atoponce | 100 GB 5400 RPM (+$79.00) |
| 03:10.07 | atoponce | CD-RW / DVD-RW (Dual Layer) |
| 03:10.17 | atoponce | Intel GMA 950 224 MB Integrated Graphics |
| 03:10.25 | atoponce | 10/100/1000 (LAN) |
| 03:10.31 | atoponce | Intel 802.11 abg |
| 03:10.39 | atoponce | VGA, 4x USB 2.0, Mic In, Headphone Out, FireWire 1394B, S-Video |
| 03:10.50 | atoponce | Battery Life: 3 Hours |
| 03:10.53 | Zelut | I should do an lshw dump for all the specs |
| 03:12.02 | atoponce | what do you think about that price? |
| 03:12.08 | atoponce | reasonable? |
| 03:13.00 | atoponce | its a Pangolin from system76... |
| 03:13.11 | atoponce | i'm just not thrilled about the resolution |
| 03:13.36 | atoponce | but, you got me thinking about virt desktops, and i use them all the time, so what am i worried about? |
| 03:13.56 | atoponce | i guess i would like to have height to my individual app as well as width |
| 03:14.53 | Zelut | looks pretty decked out. |
| 03:15.36 | Zelut | I campared the system76 machines and the macbook seemed to come out on top on price. |
| 03:15.55 | Zelut | probably because apple can order higher quantities for a lower price is all |
| 03:16.04 | atoponce | yeah |
| 03:16.22 | Zelut | how can I run a command but have it give me the prompt back & run in the background? |
| 03:16.34 | atoponce | what do you mean? |
| 03:16.52 | Zelut | I want to start a process but get the prompt back so i can continue other things. |
| 03:17.08 | atoponce | end with & |
| 03:17.15 | atoponce | like 'thunderbird &' |
| 03:17.20 | atoponce | or 'firefox &' |
| 03:17.25 | atoponce | or, you can: |
| 03:17.28 | atoponce | 'firefox' |
| 03:17.33 | atoponce | then 'ctrl-z' |
| 03:17.35 | atoponce | then 'bg' |
| 03:17.45 | atoponce | but, 'firefox &' works the best |
| 03:17.51 | Zelut | I tried the ctrl-z but that stopped it.. |
| 03:17.58 | atoponce | no, it suspended it |
| 03:18.08 | atoponce | just type 'bg' to background it, and you're fine |
| 03:19.00 | atoponce | i think the 'bg' *has* to follow the 'ctrl-z' but i could be wrong on that |
| 03:19.07 | atoponce | like immediately |
| 03:19.38 | Zelut | ok |
| 03:19.57 | atoponce | so, did you need anything? i noticed you pinged earlier... |
| 03:20.22 | Zelut | I was just going to get your thoughts on what we found.. |
| 03:20.42 | Zelut | I think 225 is about what I'm going to have to look at for what I want. |
| 03:21.11 | atoponce | we're going to stay under 190 i think. and we might wait a few months too |
| 03:21.22 | atoponce | just to see how my job plays out |
| 03:21.59 | Zelut | I found some other properties further south for a lower price but they were all 60-70yrs old and that makes me a little nervous |
| 03:22.28 | atoponce | yeah |
| 03:22.45 | atoponce | i'm with you on getting a newer house (< 10 yrs) |
| 03:24.06 | Zelut | there is some nice stuff out there but, man, it seemed a bit discouraging realizing the prices |
| 03:24.16 | Zelut | I was hoping to find more in a lower range |
| 03:24.20 | atoponce | yeah |
| 03:24.23 | atoponce | i'm with ya |
| 03:25.42 | Zelut | I guess I'll have to mainly wait to see what I can get approved for and that'll really decide a lot of things. |
| 03:26.58 | atoponce | yeah |
| 03:27.23 | atoponce | we need to know what we can sell this house for, and what our equity is |
| 03:27.31 | atoponce | we might be able to do 200 or maybe more |
| 03:27.48 | atoponce | btw- the history of the 300 and sparta is on the histroy channel |
| 03:27.51 | Zelut | yeah, I should get an appraisal done too. seems like a lot of things to try and do & coordinate |
| 03:28.03 | atoponce | brb |
| 04:39.52 | Zelut | eaoeaAOEaoe |
| 04:40.15 | Zelut | oops |
| 05:55.32 | Zelut | everyone go to bed already? |
| 07:43.13 | sontek | not me |
| 07:43.17 | sontek | just got home |
| 07:47.02 | sontek | Zelut: I think what you were looking for earlier was nohup |
| 07:47.08 | sontek | nohup process & |
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| 14:23.58 | atoponce | so, for my new laptop, i'm looking to hp notebooks for small businesses |
| 14:24.36 | atoponce | rugged, 10-key built in, wuxga, solid specs, and no windows |
| 14:24.48 | atoponce | only thing, is they are fairly pricey |
| 14:26.27 | atoponce | the nw9440 looks amazing |
| 14:33.30 | atoponce | oooh. with a free 19" lcd promo offer... |
| 15:08.14 | Zelut | sounds like its going to be pricy |
| 15:09.35 | atoponce | ~$3000 |
| 15:09.46 | atoponce | which i know i'm not going to spend |
| 15:09.59 | atoponce | but, it is that wuxga that i'm just drooling over |
| 15:10.32 | atoponce | but the upside is, no windows preinstalled... |
| 15:20.10 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 15:20.17 | atoponce | mikearagua: ping |
| 15:21.49 | Zelut | yes |
| 15:22.30 | Zelut | been tinkering with ubuntu within qemu.. I don't think its the most stable but I don't know that I want to pay for parallels |
| 15:22.43 | atoponce | think you can make a presentation from bruce parens tomorrow? |
| 15:22.59 | Zelut | i just heard about that last nite. I probably cant |
| 15:23.35 | atoponce | yeah. i got the same info as well. i'm right downtown, so i'm going to see if mikearagua can make it with me |
| 15:23.38 | atoponce | should be good |
| 15:24.36 | Zelut | it's in reply to brainshare? |
| 15:25.56 | atoponce | yeah |
| 15:26.20 | atoponce | i guess he'll be discussing the pact between novell and microsoft and it's impacts on the OSS community |
| 15:26.25 | atoponce | basically, flaming novell |
| 15:26.47 | atoponce | he's trying to keep it low-key so novell doesn't hear about it |
| 15:26.51 | Zelut | sounds interesting but I doubt I can make it. |
| 15:27.50 | atoponce | i'll get pics and audio if i can, and send it to the group |
| 15:28.09 | Zelut | herlo: ping |
| 15:29.09 | Zelut | so last nite I installed Fedora Core 6 in my old laptop but I must have done something wrong. |
| 15:29.45 | Zelut | GDM doesn't load at startup (gotta use startx) and it took just as long to do security updates as it did for me to install Feisty in VM on another machine. |
| 15:30.17 | atoponce | fc 7 is out, isn't it? or is it soon? |
| 15:30.39 | Zelut | release 2 just came out, but herlo says I should stick with 6 yet. |
| 15:31.03 | atoponce | hmm |
| 15:31.07 | herlo | fedora 7 |
| 15:31.14 | herlo | not fc anything anymore |
| 15:31.36 | herlo | Zelut: try system-config-display --noui --reconfig at runlevel 3 |
| 15:33.00 | atoponce | interesting |
| 15:33.13 | Zelut | herlo: I used the linux text install but I don't remember it asking to create a default user or setup x |
| 15:33.23 | Zelut | maybe I missed something is all. |
| 15:33.31 | atoponce | feature freeze is tomorrow |
| 15:33.51 | Zelut | herlo: not referred to as core based on the decision to combine extras & core into one? |
| 15:34.32 | herlo | Zelut: right |
| 15:34.54 | atoponce | what's the difference between core and extras? |
| 15:35.24 | Zelut | from what I understand its like the difference in main/restricted & the 'verses. |
| 15:35.28 | herlo | Zelut: it does the default user at a process called firstboot. Its after the install finishes and happens 'imagine this' on the first boot. |
| 15:35.48 | herlo | livna is the one that has all the non-free stuff. |
| 15:36.02 | herlo | and atrpms, dag too... |
| 15:36.09 | Zelut | ..which I just added this morning for wireless support, etc. |
| 15:36.18 | herlo | atrpms? |
| 15:36.19 | atoponce | ohh. that's right. fedora 7 is shifting to entirely free software in their repos, right? |
| 15:36.30 | herlo | atoponce: they've always had that... |
| 15:36.58 | atoponce | really? i thought they had non-free stuff in core, like mp3 support, drivers, and such |
| 15:37.13 | herlo | nope, livna |
| 15:40.05 | Zelut | herlo: ok I tried that command but I'm still just getting a shell login at startup. |
| 15:40.27 | Zelut | sounds like I might have missed a few things. should I try to re-install or something? |
| 15:41.30 | herlo | no |
| 15:41.42 | herlo | does s-c-d give any erros? |
| 15:41.52 | herlo | did you stry startx from runlevel 3 |
| 15:42.19 | Zelut | it doesn't give any errors.. and I just startx once I'm logged it. |
| 15:45.41 | herlo | so startx worked or not? |
| 15:45.59 | Zelut | yeah, works fine.. just doesn't start at bootup. |
| 15:58.13 | Zelut | yawn |
| 16:01.08 | Zelut | herlo: remind me where your new house is? |
| 17:07.31 | herlo | Zelut: i am not getting the new place... |
| 17:07.39 | herlo | long story... |
| 17:08.07 | Zelut | ohh.. ok. |
| 17:08.25 | herlo | Zelut: sounds like gdm is being a pain. |
| 17:08.36 | Zelut | I've been looking further north since Fri. Everything seems more expensive than I expected. |
| 17:08.53 | herlo | as far as moving i will be |
| 17:09.18 | herlo | right next to you actually til september... |
| 17:09.28 | Zelut | in our complex? |
| 17:09.41 | herlo | the condos to the south... |
| 17:10.00 | Zelut | ohh, cool. maybe we can carpool when the schedules match afterall. |
| 17:10.11 | herlo | chris bought one there and im gonna rent from him for 6 mos |
| 17:10.23 | herlo | yeah, id like that |
| 17:11.01 | herlo | then in sept i'l look up north again |
| 17:11.30 | herlo | cant type to well on my treo |
| 17:11.36 | Zelut | if I can get a loan we'll be looking soon.. but everything with the specs I want is over 200 |
| 17:12.22 | herlo | i found a nice place in murray |
| 17:12.48 | Zelut | i didn't look at anything south of n. slc really.. |
| 17:12.53 | herlo | i will be buying in that complex probably. called applegate |
| 17:13.25 | herlo | i had 2 have utopia and didnt want to live in centerville |
| 17:13.49 | Zelut | what is the commute like to GL and airport from there? |
| 17:13.54 | herlo | and not wvc either |
| 17:14.07 | herlo | 20 mins no traffic |
| 17:14.17 | herlo | 25-30 with |
| 17:14.42 | herlo | you miss all the traffic at the exchanges... |
| 17:15.00 | Zelut | we'll have to keep looking I'm sure.. |
| 17:15.41 | Zelut | there was some decent stuff up in Layton but I'm not decided on anything or any one area yet. |
| 17:16.00 | Zelut | I just know I'll be getting out of utah county for sure. |
| 17:16.33 | herlo | me too |
| 17:16.40 | herlo | gotta run |
| 17:16.53 | Zelut | k |
| 17:16.59 | herlo | ciao |
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| 17:50.58 | herlo | Zelut: when you gonna start |
| 17:52.34 | Zelut | april |
| 17:52.45 | Zelut | two weeks |
| 17:58.53 | herlo | cool |
| 17:59.05 | herlo | Dax talked to me about that, but I wasnt sure of the exact date |
| 17:59.12 | Zelut | what'd he say? |
| 17:59.17 | herlo | I think it'll be a week that I'll be in town.. |
| 17:59.32 | herlo | He said that you were gonna start soon... |
| 17:59.48 | herlo | and that he wanted to send you out with some experienced folks... |
| 17:59.56 | Zelut | I'd love to start tomorrow but I need to wrap some things up at my current place first, of course. |
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| 18:00.03 | herlo | true that |
| 18:00.29 | Zelut | he did say I'd need to shadow someone and head to RH for cert class right away. |
| 18:01.21 | herlo | yeah, that's what he's doing with you. he wanted me to take you on a RH133 (RHCT prep class) on your first week. I told him that I had family requirements, otherwise I'd have been taking you... |
| 18:01.48 | Zelut | ok.. so I will be gone my first week then ehh |
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| 18:23.36 | herlo | http://www.baktabul.com/ilginc-garip-enterasan-seyler/6363-siz-a4-kagitini-ne-yaparsiniz-bakin-muhtesem.html |
| 18:31.45 | sontek | ubuntu needs to work on raid/lvm support |
| 18:32.04 | Zelut | sontek: having trouble with it? |
| 18:34.33 | sontek | Zelut: yeah, its struggling on setting up grub |
| 18:34.42 | sontek | after installation grub can't find the disk |
| 18:34.59 | Zelut | is this a new installation? |
| 18:35.07 | Zelut | liveCD? |
| 18:35.27 | sontek | yeah its new, I decided to switch it from suse to ubuntu |
| 18:35.32 | sontek | (suse handled it just fine ;)) |
| 18:35.38 | sontek | alternate |
| 18:35.48 | herlo | sontek: I found that lvm didn't work so well with ubuntu because I thin the drivers are missing from the initrd |
| 18:36.02 | Zelut | the liveCD, I've found, has trouble with lvm/raid but the alternate seems to handle it better.. |
| 18:38.20 | herlo | is this feisty or edgy? I had problems with edgy |
| 18:39.08 | Zelut | I haven't tried on Feisty but the last lvm I setup (which, granted is limited experience) was on Edgy. |
| 18:39.52 | herlo | did you boot from it? |
| 18:40.13 | herlo | if not, it wouldn |
| 18:40.15 | herlo | t be an issue |
| 18:40.31 | herlo | I need new shoes! |
| 18:40.37 | Zelut | i thought I did.. this was the LVM you helped me setup with all the small partitions. |
| 18:40.56 | herlo | yeah hmm |
| 18:40.59 | sontek | herlo: edgy |
| 18:41.22 | herlo | I'll have to look into my setup |
| 18:41.25 | Zelut | I boot from that one.. ran it for quite a while and that had to be Edgy |
| 18:41.35 | sontek | the funny thing is the disk it needs to boot to isn't even part of the lvm or raid |
| 18:42.03 | herlo | Zelut: how can you tell which version you are running with Ubuntu? |
| 18:42.32 | Zelut | herlo: ohh, I just did that yesterday.. uhm.. |
| 18:42.54 | sontek | check the sources list? =) |
| 18:44.18 | Zelut | cat /etc/issue |
| 18:46.04 | Zelut | or cat /etc/lsb-release is similar |
| 18:46.05 | herlo | Zelut: okay, I didn't know if it was something like cat /etc/*release |
| 18:46.07 | herlo | that works for most distros |
| 18:47.40 | Zelut | uname -a usually mentions the release version too |
| 18:47.45 | herlo | anyway I've gotta finish packing supposed to check out in 10 mins... |
| 18:47.53 | Zelut | see ya |
| 18:47.57 | herlo | uname -a tells the kernel version |
| 18:48.15 | herlo | and a bunch of other details, but in RH it doesn't tell the RH/FC version |
| 18:48.23 | herlo | ciao |
| 18:49.28 | Zelut | see ya |
| 18:49.37 | sontek | did you guys have a good st.pattys? |
| 18:50.03 | Zelut | I didn't do much more than house shopping.. |
| 18:55.58 | sontek | didn't find anything good? |
| 18:56.07 | sontek | we went to the bayou |
| 18:57.29 | sontek | do you know how much you are looking to spend? |
| 19:01.16 | Zelut | i was hoping to spend less than everything costs |
| 19:01.36 | Zelut | seems like I'll need to be over 200 to get what I'd like. maybe I need to reconsider what I want. |
| 19:29.47 | Zelut | I wonder why I'm still on FF 1.5.0.10 in FC6 even after doing all updates. I would think something like 2 would be available. |
| 19:58.19 | twysted | why would you think that, =) |
| 20:11.00 | sontek | Zelut: In the salt lake/murray area I think you'll be paying 200+ for a decent house but up near ogden, layton, syracuse, etc the houses were pretty cheap |
| 20:11.20 | twysted | layton, syracuse area they start at 120s |
| 20:12.11 | Zelut | anything I found in clearfield or layton were near 200 as well. |
| 20:12.37 | Zelut | didn't you just put on offer down? where'd you go? |
| 20:14.10 | sontek | Yeah, but my location sucks, but katie is still in school so her commute would suck if we were out of slc |
| 20:14.32 | sontek | But when we looked at the northern locations we saw a lot of really nice houses for cheap |
| 20:14.59 | sontek | There were a lot of cheap nice houses farther west too |
| 20:15.07 | Zelut | layton & clearfield area was all low to mid 200's.. where we looked anyway. |
| 20:22.12 | sontek | Yeah, it just depends what you want |
| 20:22.27 | sontek | http://www.utahrealestate.com/649898 that one doesn't look terrible but could definitely use some work |
| 20:22.30 | sontek | but its cheap |
| 20:22.36 | sontek | and i'm not sure how good of an area its in |
| 20:23.24 | Zelut | one bathroom? yeeks |
| 20:24.38 | sontek | http://www.utahrealestate.com/667535 |
| 20:27.38 | sontek | http://www.utahrealestate.com/651705 that one actually doesn't sound terrible |
| 20:29.57 | sontek | http://www.utahrealestate.com/645954 |
| 20:30.24 | Zelut | ln file1 file2 means both files will share an inode, right? |
| 20:30.29 | Zelut | it isn't a symbolic link? |
| 20:30.33 | sontek | http://www.utahrealestate.com/654638 |
| 20:34.01 | sontek | Zelut: doing that will just create a hard link, so even if you move the file, they'll be referencing the same one |
| 20:35.59 | sontek | Zelut: you'll want to be careful if you are going to do that |
| 20:38.52 | Zelut | yeah, i just want to see if I really understand how it works |
| 20:46.32 | sontek | you gonna become redhat certified? =) |
| 20:48.45 | Zelut | that's the plan |
| 20:48.57 | Zelut | doing some of the practice tests online to see where I need to brush up. |
| 20:49.06 | sontek | yeah |
| 20:49.17 | sontek | are you going to sit in on some gl classes first? |
| 20:49.20 | sontek | I bet that'd help a ton |
| 20:49.58 | Zelut | I think one of my first weeks will be going to take the RHCT class & test.. |
| 20:49.59 | sontek | I haven't used redhat in years but I still have some suse boxes running |
| 20:51.41 | sontek | yast is just a bad package manager |
| 20:51.45 | Zelut | some of the stuff on this practice test I have never done and doubt I will.. like low level formatting a floppy |
| 20:51.51 | sontek | I usually use rug |
| 20:51.54 | sontek | or smart |
| 20:52.02 | Zelut | You Absoletuly Sucky Thing is what I refer to it as :) |
| 20:52.07 | sontek | yeah but you should be familiar with dd |
| 20:54.56 | sontek | haha |
| 20:58.25 | Zelut | Block and character special devices, used to address hardware, do not display size in a long ls listing. Instead, they display? |
| 21:05.55 | sontek | I think it displays their version number |
| 21:06.10 | sontek | if you look at ls -l /dev you'll see what they are talking about |
| 21:14.04 | sontek | yeah, its just showing the major and minor device number |
| 21:14.07 | sontek | http://argray.com/unixfaq/device_files.shtml |
| 21:14.14 | sontek | that gives a decent description |
| 21:18.36 | Zelut | crap. my old laptop just shutoff (I'm guessing from heat) and now it wont boot.. just beeps at me. |
| 21:21.02 | sontek | let it cool down and copy as much off of it quickly the next time you start it up? =) |
| 21:21.24 | Zelut | now I'm really starting to appreciate having bought a new machine. |
| 21:21.51 | sontek | haha, when you have to duct tape your laptop together you know its time ;) |
| 21:22.16 | Zelut | good point |
| 21:22.31 | sontek | although it does give it character |
| 21:22.41 | Zelut | I wish I could get wireless going on this one though.. so far I'm having trouble compiling the latest version of ndiswrapper |
| 21:22.57 | Zelut | ..I thought I had but it still showed the previous version as setup with the driver. |
| 21:23.36 | sontek | you could do a 'which' on it and see where its running from |
| 21:25.03 | sontek | its such a nice day out and i'm in here trying to get grub to work properly with my raid setup :( |
| 21:25.15 | sontek | I think I finally got it working though |
| 21:25.23 | sontek | I think it was an issue with the way my bios were setup |
| 21:27.53 | Zelut | ahh, so ubuntu does recognize it ok then? |
| 21:28.39 | sontek | sort of, ubuntu recognizes the drives and everything but when it executes the grub-install it installs grub to hd0 |
| 21:28.49 | sontek | grub needs to be installed into hd3 |
| 21:29.03 | sontek | and it doesn't allow me to change that in the alternate |
| 21:29.12 | sontek | so I just boot back into it and chroot in and re-run the setup |
| 21:29.18 | sontek | i'll know in a couple minutes if it works |
| 21:29.30 | sontek | I have no idea why its choosing hd0 |
| 21:33.22 | Zelut | it should allow you to specify where you want it.. |
| 21:33.22 | Zelut | you can also just load the menu on the alternate and drop to a prompt. |
| 21:33.22 | Zelut | grub-install /dev/blah |
| 21:33.22 | sontek | yeah thats what i'm doing right now |
| 21:33.23 | sontek | its just annoying that a 2 year old version of suse can get it right but edgy can't :P |
| 21:33.33 | Zelut | yeah.. that is weird though. |
| 21:33.35 | Zelut | I think Edgy is kind of buggy personally |
| 21:34.54 | Zelut | ok. i have wiped out ndiswrapper and let's see if I can compile the latest. |
| 21:40.25 | Zelut | crap. I don't suppose you still have those drivers you unpacked for me? |
| 21:40.36 | Zelut | I swear I had them on my usb drive but there not there.. |
| 21:40.58 | sontek | there on my comp at work |
| 21:41.32 | Zelut | I just reboot into ubuntu to give this another try.. I'll work on the compiling and worry about those later I guess. |
| 21:41.46 | Zelut | my head is in a few too many places this last weekend.. |
| 21:50.31 | Zelut | I got it to work!!!! |
| 21:50.33 | Zelut | ~w00t |
| 21:50.37 | jbot | w00t!!! |
| 21:52.20 | Zelut | looks like last time I compiled it didn't have the previous stuff cleared and used the old version. |
| 21:52.39 | Zelut | now, using 1.38 it works just fine so far. I can stop relying on OSX for wireless! :) |
| 21:53.11 | sontek | :D |
| 22:44.19 | Zelut | well that was a pretty detailed post.. I hope it makes sense |
| 22:54.07 | Zelut | sweet. even the remote works on this thing |
| 22:54.53 | Zelut | ..well only the volume |
| 23:42.04 | Zelut | atoponce: http://thorstenl.blogspot.com/2007/01/thls-irssi-notification-script.html |