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| 00:22.01 | atoponce | Zelut: well? |
| 00:25.02 | atoponce | why is it so intriguing to go to wikipedia, and start reading articles on unix/linux |
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| 00:33.26 | Zelut | didn't work. refit worked but won't boot linux yet. |
| 00:44.40 | atoponce | i need to remember to be logged in when editing wikipedia articles |
| 00:52.38 | atoponce | maquis: why do you use *nix? |
| 02:22.10 | atoponce | i don't know why i bother arguing with mheath |
| 02:22.17 | atoponce | wasted key stroks |
| 02:22.24 | atoponce | s/ks/kes/ |
| 02:34.24 | maquis | atoponce: lots of reasons |
| 02:35.20 | maquis | they range from "i'm cheap" to "i prefer the command-line" to "it gives me a power-trip" to "i like messing around with stuff and i can |
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| 03:38.56 | stuporglue | What music player's does everyone here use? Rhythmbox is good-ish, but freezes frequently enough to be annoying. |
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| 03:44.31 | [phoenyx] | I use amarok |
| 03:45.00 | [phoenyx] | but I haven't really tried anything else |
| 03:50.25 | stuporglue | Are you on Kubuntu or Ubuntu? |
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| 03:58.34 | [phoenyx] | ubuntu |
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| 05:12.32 | Zelut | evening |
| 05:30.39 | Zelut | well bootcamp still isn't working but I think I'm closer |
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| 05:32.31 | atoponce | lol |
| 05:32.48 | atoponce | maquis: cool |
| 05:32.52 | atoponce | just curious |
| 05:33.51 | herlo | bootcamp? |
| 05:34.04 | Zelut | herlo: dual-boot for mac. |
| 05:34.14 | herlo | oh |
| 05:34.29 | herlo | was thinking you were doing an Ubuntu Bootcamp or something |
| 05:34.37 | Zelut | we should do that :) |
| 05:35.11 | Zelut | but I've got the EFI bootloader setup so it gives me the ubuntu option at boot, but the ubuntu installer craps out and doesn't finish |
| 05:36.30 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/christer/christer-mac-1-small.jpg |
| 05:36.59 | Zelut | thanks. |
| 05:38.22 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/christer/ has all the pics of your mac |
| 05:38.36 | sontek | I resized them to 500px but if you want the hi-res ones I can upload those too |
| 05:39.05 | Zelut | that gave me a access denied |
| 05:39.31 | Zelut | nevermind |
| 05:44.43 | Zelut | sontek: can you email me some of the high-res? |
| 05:44.59 | sontek | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.03 | herlo | Zelut: nice mac |
| 05:45.45 | sontek | anyone think of a better way to do that? :P |
| 05:45.45 | sontek | my bash-foo is bad |
| 05:45.45 | herlo | sontek: what are you trying to do just convert them all? |
| 05:45.51 | sontek | I'm converting them all, I realize it'd be easier to move them in their own directory and do ls but that seemed like work |
| 05:45.55 | Zelut | herlo: thank you. it'll be a bit nicer once ubuntu is installed though |
| 05:46.46 | Zelut | if I remember there is a gui package that does that.. but I don't remember what it's called. |
| 05:46.59 | herlo | for i in *.jpg; do convert -geometry $i $i |
| 05:47.12 | herlo | sontek: there is a search and replace for the second $i |
| 05:47.59 | sontek | Zelut: i'm uploading the high res ones now |
| 05:48.26 | Zelut | sontek: you want me to save to disk? |
| 05:48.39 | sontek | wget -r in a few minutes :P |
| 05:48.46 | Zelut | ok |
| 05:49.30 | sontek | they hi-res are around 2mb each and I have real internet not utopia ;P |
| 05:49.42 | sontek | so give my comcast a little bit to choke and get them up there |
| 05:51.06 | Zelut | lol ok. |
| 05:53.19 | herlo | sontek: for i in *.jpg; do convert -geometry 500x500 $i ${i/i_thm.jpg}; done |
| 05:53.22 | herlo | try that... |
| 05:53.25 | herlo | woops |
| 05:53.36 | sontek | thats much sexier than mine =) |
| 05:53.48 | herlo | yep that's right |
| 05:54.02 | sontek | pssh you think you are so smart |
| 05:54.03 | sontek | ;) |
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| 05:56.58 | Zelut | I think I'm not going to work tomorrow. the weather is too nice and I have a new toy. |
| 05:57.42 | sontek | I'm gonna go in at 7am so I can sneakout early and get dinner before byu uug |
| 05:57.57 | sontek | if it wasn't for beastie I would've been starving :P |
| 05:58.00 | Zelut | nice flexible hours |
| 05:58.08 | Zelut | I didn't even try any of beastie |
| 05:58.26 | sontek | I don't like chocalate but the frosting was delicious |
| 05:58.31 | sontek | chocolate* |
| 05:58.43 | sontek | I had an eye |
| 05:58.52 | herlo | sontek: that's because redbeard1 is an excellent chef |
| 05:59.01 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/beastie.jpg |
| 05:59.10 | Zelut | herlo: you should have seen it. beastie wasn't strong enough to hold up his pitchfork. |
| 05:59.18 | herlo | hmm |
| 05:59.27 | Zelut | the cracks about BSD holding it's own.. well you can imagine :) |
| 05:59.30 | herlo | I saw tux, he was neat and very tasty too... |
| 06:00.51 | Zelut | i think maybe I'll upgrade my media server tonite.. |
| 06:01.09 | sontek | I accidently updated my file server lastnight |
| 06:01.14 | sontek | I was shelled in and didn't realize it |
| 06:01.31 | sontek | was like "why is my sources.list forked?" *changes it* |
| 06:01.42 | sontek | and then half way through the dist upgrade I realized what happened |
| 06:01.58 | herlo | haha |
| 06:02.13 | herlo | beastie looked very cool... |
| 06:04.32 | Zelut | well here comes 243 packages to update ubuntu-server |
| 06:05.17 | herlo | oops, now it's Thursday! |
| 06:05.26 | Zelut | man I still have an hour & a half left on this battery and it hasn't been plugged in forever. my last machine couldn't last ten minutes! |
| 06:05.51 | sontek | I took a few pics uploading them now http://www.sontek.net/beastie |
| 06:05.54 | herlo | mine like your mac. I love the battery life. I get around 3 hours and it'll still be going... |
| 06:06.37 | Zelut | Fetched 122MB in 1m23s (1458kB/s) Fetched 122MB in 1m23s (1458kB/s) |
| 06:06.38 | sontek | I got 7 when I first got my laptop now i'm down to around 4-5 dependent on workload |
| 06:06.47 | Zelut | man utopia is nice |
| 06:07.43 | maquis | it was my idea, anyway |
| 06:16.43 | Zelut | is it bad that I just want to blow off work tomorrow? |
| 06:20.40 | herlo | no |
| 06:20.55 | herlo | I do too. Except I get to teach xen for the first time and I'll get to be lazy on Friday... |
| 06:21.23 | herlo | test day... |
| 06:21.24 | Zelut | my clients have just been lazy all week and I'm sick of dealing with it. |
| 06:21.38 | Zelut | I'm just going to email them and say something has come up. deal with it. |
| 06:22.12 | Zelut | ..plus, my boss is out of town so I'm not worried about him and I am fairly actively looking for another job so I really just don't care that much. |
| 06:22.20 | Zelut | sad. i sound like a slacker |
| 06:23.02 | herlo | nah, you are just sick of the environment you are in. you'd do better elsewhere it seems... |
| 06:23.16 | Zelut | i sure hope so. |
| 06:24.54 | herlo | me too :) |
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| 06:26.06 | Zelut | maybe I'll figure out tomorrow how to securely access my nfs share from outside the lan |
| 06:27.19 | herlo | Zelut: kerberos!!! |
| 06:27.21 | herlo | :) |
| 06:27.31 | herlo | let me know when you get *that* working. i wanna see... |
| 06:28.37 | Zelut | i have been thinking about a vpn or something.. there is *so* much yet to learn and only so many years in my life |
| 06:31.14 | herlo | openvpn is good |
| 06:35.13 | Zelut | so my worthless office web server isn't responding so I can't get the emails I need to send to call in sick. |
| 06:35.20 | sontek | you could just ssh tunnel |
| 06:35.22 | Zelut | exchange is worthless |
| 06:35.36 | sontek | Exchange is the best out there |
| 06:35.40 | sontek | even if it sucks =) |
| 06:36.24 | Zelut | this server goes down probably once a week. the email goes out just as often. |
| 06:36.26 | herlo | sontek: no it's not |
| 06:36.29 | Zelut | its a POS |
| 06:36.50 | sontek | herlo: for a corporate environment theres nothing that matches its shared calendar and tasks support |
| 06:36.52 | herlo | you can run your own mail server and calendaring system and it will be tons better than Exchange will ever be |
| 06:37.13 | sontek | herlo: you can run seperate systems that don't integrate with your mail client |
| 06:37.15 | herlo | sontek: I disagree. |
| 06:37.30 | sontek | herlo: outlook and evolution connect to exchange |
| 06:37.54 | herlo | I think that Exchange is just the most common option and because microsoft has brainwashed everyone into thinking that an integrated solution is the way to go... |
| 06:37.57 | sontek | but if you have a better solution I'd love to see it |
| 06:37.59 | herlo | sontek: I know that |
| 06:38.02 | sontek | I wouldn't mind getting off exchange |
| 06:38.10 | sontek | I've just never seen anything better |
| 06:38.15 | herlo | sontek: you can get all of what you need with open source solutions... |
| 06:38.30 | sontek | plural isn't an option when dealing with desktop users :P |
| 06:38.37 | sontek | it needs to be _solution_ |
| 06:38.41 | herlo | postfix, sunbird and what else does exchange do, oh yeah, open ldap |
| 06:39.02 | Zelut | brb |
| 06:39.02 | herlo | sontek: define solution, I don't think integrated systems means solution... |
| 06:40.03 | sontek | for a desktop user who has been using their mail, calendar, and tasks all in outlook, having to switch between multiple applications isn't acceptable |
| 06:40.10 | herlo | sontek: all of the contacts and calendaring can be managed by openldap on the back end... |
| 06:40.48 | herlo | the user apps don't have to change. that's where Open Source is lacking. Write one app that can integrate any backend solution and you'll make millions like M$ |
| 06:40.49 | sontek | we tried using google calendar for awhile but no one liked it over the exchange shared |
| 06:41.33 | sontek | ok, lets write it =) |
| 06:41.58 | sontek | but I don't need millions, a beer will be fine |
| 06:42.30 | herlo | sontek: oh, but millions could buy a lot of beer! |
| 06:42.33 | herlo | ;) |
| 06:42.47 | herlo | sontek: I'd love to write it. What language would you write it in? |
| 06:43.30 | herlo | give me 10 hrs of uninterrupted time and I'll have it architected and well planned. Probably even partially written.... |
| 06:44.15 | sontek | I'll do it in whatever language you want |
| 06:45.00 | sontek | we just have to build a decent plugin api for it |
| 06:45.27 | herlo | sontek: It wouldn't really matter what language to me, I was just curious what you'd choese |
| 06:45.31 | herlo | choose |
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| 06:46.06 | sontek | Well, my preference is always mono/C# since thats what I use daily, and because its object oriented cross platform |
| 06:46.41 | herlo | fair enough. I've been re-falling in love with java |
| 06:47.08 | sontek | I like java except for their generics |
| 06:47.35 | herlo | what's wrong with them? |
| 06:49.36 | sontek | speed/efficiency wise at compile time all it does is change the Type in the generic to object |
| 06:49.56 | sontek | so its pretty much useless besides code sexiness |
| 06:50.39 | sontek | and you can't use reflection on them to find what the generic type is (on stuff list List<T>) |
| 06:50.49 | herlo | that does suck |
| 06:52.40 | sontek | but if you want to write our mail plugin system in it i'm down :P |
| 06:53.07 | herlo | hmmm |
| 06:53.16 | herlo | I'll have to free up some time, but it sounds like fun. |
| 06:54.48 | sontek | Christer and I were talking about starting up a ubuntu-utah code project and hack together for an hour at dinner after the meets |
| 06:55.27 | herlo | hmm |
| 06:55.37 | herlo | I'd like to have UTOS do that too at some point... |
| 06:57.10 | sontek | we should sit down and plan it out some night and see how long it'll take us |
| 06:57.16 | sontek | it'd be cool to present it at utosc |
| 06:57.38 | herlo | it would be. I would have to put in more time...like I said, freeing up time... |
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| 06:58.12 | sontek | whenever I need more time I cut out sleep =) |
| 06:58.20 | sontek | (although, I don't have much more to cut out) |
| 06:58.35 | herlo | sontek: yeah, it's now 1am... |
| 06:58.43 | herlo | oh and I am a bit older than you... |
| 06:58.55 | Zelut | grumble.. the new bitlbee apparently causes more problems |
| 06:59.19 | Zelut | the feisty package doesn't even install properly. |
| 06:59.22 | herlo | Zelut: I am sorry about that... |
| 06:59.29 | herlo | stupid feisty |
| 06:59.35 | sontek | haha, that just means you have more experience at all nighters ;) |
| 06:59.41 | Zelut | herlo: is it too much to ask for a reliable CLI client? |
| 06:59.49 | sontek | goodnight! |
| 06:59.55 | Zelut | see ya |
| 07:00.03 | sontek | Zelut: have you tried configuring it from source? |
| 07:00.03 | herlo | Zelut: no it's not. We could write that instead of what sontek suggested. The project is already there |
| 07:00.06 | Zelut | I should go to bed too but I don't feel like it :) |
| 07:00.06 | herlo | good night... |
| 07:00.11 | sontek | I never had any problems with it when I was using it |
| 07:00.22 | sontek | herlo: goodnight! |
| 07:00.28 | Zelut | sontek: I haven't.. I don't like compiling much but I might try it. |
| 07:02.40 | sontek | what are the errors its giving you/ |
| 07:03.19 | Zelut | the feisty package doesn't install the xinetd service apparently |
| 07:03.33 | sontek | it installed fine for me |
| 07:03.45 | Zelut | and the other version, the one I have been using, will work great until it decides to screw up jabber for a full day. |
| 07:03.54 | Zelut | feisty package for bitlbee is working for you? |
| 07:03.58 | sontek | yeah |
| 07:04.21 | Zelut | I wonder what I have different.. |
| 07:04.31 | Zelut | do anything with your config file? |
| 07:06.03 | Zelut | i'm going to try compiling. fingers crossed i stay away from dependency hell. |
| 07:06.34 | Zelut | i'm tempted to try and make a deb for it.. the 1.1dev release from last month. |
| 07:08.38 | Zelut | ..and I'm getting compile errors already. I'm very quickly reminded why I avoid compiling |
| 07:08.55 | sontek | lol what are the errors? you are probably just missing some -dev packages |
| 07:09.44 | Zelut | yeah, missing one already and need an ssl dev apparently too. |
| 07:11.41 | Zelut | if I sat down for an hour I think I could make a .deb for this.. don't feel like it tonite though |
| 07:12.42 | sontek | Zelut: all I did was created the /etc/xinetd.d/ircd file and start xinet and it worked |
| 07:13.10 | Zelut | if this compile doesn't work I'll try that. |
| 07:15.17 | Zelut | what'd you put in the ircd file? |
| 07:15.48 | sontek | your the one who wrote the ubuntu wiki page on it ;) |
| 07:16.05 | sontek | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/01/14/installing-and-using-bitlbee-irc-gateway-ubuntu-610/ |
| 07:16.22 | Zelut | is it updated? I didn't write anything on manually tweaking xinetd |
| 07:16.36 | sontek | oh, well, its updated then :p |
| 07:17.28 | Zelut | let me look |
| 07:18.20 | Zelut | how do I restart xinetd? |
| 07:19.01 | Zelut | I don't have that /etc/init.d/xinetd file.. |
| 07:20.40 | sontek | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.45 | sontek | did it not install? |
| 07:21.37 | Zelut | nope. weird |
| 07:22.58 | Zelut | added that and now i'm fine. odd |
| 07:26.57 | sontek | Thats weird, It should've been installed by default (it was for me) and no packages in the repository depend on it |
| 07:28.23 | sontek | if you ever have a question about dependencies on a package you can use a little known tool called apt-rdepends (sudo aptitude install apt-rdepends) and then you can do apt-rdepends package and find all its dependencies or apt-rdepends -r pakage to find what packages depend on it |
| 07:28.42 | sontek | I use the reverse lookup more than anything |
| 07:28.58 | Zelut | hmm. ok. |
| 07:30.09 | sontek | so what does bitlbee do to your jabber? |
| 07:31.29 | Zelut | it'll work fine all week and then suddenly nobody can IM me (although I think I'm connected) and then when trying to reconnect I get 'error 500' |
| 07:31.43 | Zelut | ..I then can't connect for 3-4 hours sometimes |
| 07:33.42 | Zelut | even when trying other clients such as gaim or even gmail-chat. can't connect at all. |
| 07:39.21 | sontek | o |
| 07:39.32 | sontek | i'll use it this week and see if I can reproduce it |
| 07:39.59 | Zelut | have you been using it much? |
| 07:40.13 | sontek | I haven't used it in a few years |
| 07:40.15 | Zelut | herlo gets the same error occasionally but not as much as me |
| 07:40.18 | sontek | I just use centericq |
| 07:40.29 | Zelut | I should try that one out. |
| 07:40.39 | sontek | I prefer centericq for instant messaging over irssi |
| 07:40.56 | sontek | easier to manage multiple chats |
| 07:41.08 | Zelut | I really like how I can use IRC & Jabber in one client that is easy to navigate & I can run it all over screen. |
| 07:41.46 | Zelut | gaim was too busy for me and nothing else seems to support irc & jabber |
| 07:42.58 | sontek | centericq supports irc but I don't know how well it works, i've never tried it |
| 07:43.20 | Zelut | hmm.. wget not included in os x apparently |
| 07:43.26 | sontek | irssi is really good at irc and centericq is really good at messaging, never saw a need to combine them |
| 07:44.39 | Zelut | i just like to have my chats, jabber or irc, all in one. |
| 07:52.02 | Zelut | i should probably go to bed. its almost 2:00 |
| 07:53.59 | sontek | in mac osx you use curl |
| 07:54.11 | sontek | curl -LO [url] |
| 07:54.15 | sontek | its not as powerful but it works |
| 07:54.33 | sontek | yeah i'm gonna head to bed too |
| 07:54.35 | sontek | goodnight! |
| 07:56.39 | Zelut | nite |
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| 13:45.25 | atoponce | Zelut: so, i assume you're no longer using irssi, now that you're not using bitlbee for you im... |
| 13:45.50 | atoponce | !uptime |
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| 13:45.56 | atoponce | meh |
| 13:46.02 | atoponce | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.07 | atoponce | sweet |
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| 14:47.12 | Kemotaha | morning |
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| 14:56.27 | Kemotaha | whoops |
| 15:05.36 | atoponce | morning |
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| 16:15.03 | sontek | anyone else going to BYU UUG tonight? |
| 16:31.13 | Zelut | I am |
| 16:32.08 | Zelut | atoponce: I'm back on irssi & bitlbee today after installing a later version last nite. |
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| 16:49.30 | Zelut | holy crap I just found the coolest thing. |
| 16:50.08 | Zelut | Jayce helped me setup virtual desktops on OS X and it is even motion sensitive. I can tip the machine to right or left to switch desktops |
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| 16:57.20 | sontek | I'm fully gnome now |
| 16:57.24 | sontek | no more enlightenment |
| 16:59.05 | Zelut | why is that? |
| 17:00.06 | sontek | usability, my gf struggled lastnight when trying to use my laptop |
| 17:00.44 | Zelut | can you simply activate/deactivate like beryl or is it an all or nothing kind of thing? |
| 17:01.06 | sontek | you can deactivate, its just a window manager |
| 17:01.13 | sontek | but then you have to load up nautilus or something |
| 17:01.19 | sontek | err.. metacity |
| 17:02.22 | sontek | I don't mind gnome, I've just been using enlightenment so long it was my comfort bubble :P |
| 17:03.43 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/gnome.png |
| 17:06.16 | Zelut | I think it's time to jump into bootcamp again. |
| 17:06.20 | sontek | with gnome-main-menu instead of USP its actually pretty clean to use |
| 17:07.47 | sontek | you didn't get it working lastnight? |
| 17:09.41 | Zelut | no. it's either a problem with the feisty install CD (it returns an error) or a problem with syncing GRUB/MBR and EFI |
| 17:10.03 | sontek | have you tried alternate? |
| 17:10.37 | Zelut | trying that now |
| 17:10.49 | sontek | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2245244 |
| 17:14.42 | Zelut | looks like the same results I'm getting minus the syncing, but he doesn't mention how to do the syncing. |
| 17:17.39 | sontek | so lastnight when I was going through the pics I took katie saw your mac and shes like aww.. I want one |
| 17:17.42 | sontek | ;p |
| 17:17.46 | sontek | so I might get to play with osx a bit |
| 17:18.21 | Zelut | cool. |
| 17:18.56 | Zelut | i don't want to start switching ubuntu users to os x but it is nice :) |
| 17:19.05 | sontek | she really needs a laptop, shes in her senior year at UofU and still doesn't have one :P |
| 17:19.29 | Zelut | the reasons I got it were 1) price for hardware 2) standardized hardware |
| 17:19.57 | Zelut | I figure, as its standardized, there will be very good chances that all hardware will be supported before long. |
| 17:25.17 | Zelut | ..and until I can buy a machine with Ubuntu on it I'm sure as hell not paying for anything with Vista pre-infected! |
| 17:26.17 | sontek | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.33 | sontek | we order 20 new laptops for one of our clients and we chose xp instead of vista |
| 17:26.42 | sontek | we get the 20 laptops and all have vista on them |
| 17:27.00 | sontek | (our online receipt showed xp, the one that came with the lappies said vista) |
| 17:27.04 | sontek | we didn't get charged for it |
| 17:27.13 | herlo | I just demoed Xen for the first time today. It is really cool stuff!!! |
| 17:27.17 | sontek | but they were accounting laptops and quickbooks isn't compatible with vista yet |
| 17:27.36 | sontek | herlo: when are you going to demo it for us? =) |
| 17:27.52 | herlo | sontek: well, I'll be happy to demo it on Fedora anytime... |
| 17:28.10 | herlo | Ubuntu will be a bit more work for me just because I need to spend some time with it at home... |
| 17:28.28 | sontek | I have nothing against fedora, just put a Ubuntu wallpaper on to trick everyone |
| 17:28.43 | sontek | maybe install human theme ;) |
| 17:28.49 | Zelut | sontek: so what do you do with 20 laptops with vista? |
| 17:29.07 | Zelut | sontek: you should blog about it. maybe its a conspiracy. get digg'd for sure ;) |
| 17:29.14 | sontek | Zelut: you send them back to dell so they can format them because they aren't willing to just send you xp cds |
| 17:29.28 | herlo | sontek: whatever... |
| 17:29.31 | herlo | :) |
| 17:29.50 | sontek | Zelut: we wouldn't have had a problem with it if the software we needed to run was compatible |
| 17:33.37 | Zelut | man I would. it's gotta be 10x the overhead one compared with the other. |
| 17:37.59 | Zelut | you know, one thing that does get me about this macbook is that there is a backspace but no delete key.. none that I can find anyway. |
| 17:38.03 | maquis | Zelut: tipping the laptop to switch desktops seems like it could be really bad |
| 17:38.34 | Zelut | maquis: it could be. I can turn it off but I thought it was pretty cool. |
| 17:38.44 | maquis | my laptop gets tipped in various directions quite a bit |
| 17:38.53 | maquis | the poor thing has a hard life... :) |
| 17:39.13 | sontek | I always thought having both was silly on PC's (delete/backspace) |
| 17:39.17 | Zelut | you should see the duct tape holding together my old one |
| 17:39.26 | sontek | just have your cursor in the correct place :P |
| 17:39.36 | sontek | haha I should've taken a picture of that lastnight |
| 17:39.43 | maquis | lol |
| 17:40.05 | Zelut | maybe I'll dig out my camera and take some other pictures of the two |
| 17:40.20 | Zelut | I want to get Ubuntu going on the mac before I publish anything though. |
| 17:57.49 | sontek | vmware =p |
| 18:37.02 | Zelut | herlo: ping |
| 18:40.30 | herlo | Zelut: pong |
| 18:40.52 | herlo | Zelut: it's lunch time for another 30 mins or so... |
| 18:41.55 | Zelut | herlo: just got off the phone with Dax. presenting up there tomorrow |
| 18:42.46 | herlo | sweet! |
| 18:42.59 | herlo | I am looking forward to having you work at GL |
| 18:43.09 | Zelut | file permissions and a topic of my own |
| 18:43.18 | herlo | cool... |
| 18:43.26 | herlo | that should be an easy thing for you... |
| 18:43.38 | herlo | Is it a RHEL based presentation? |
| 18:43.44 | Zelut | yeah |
| 18:44.16 | Zelut | I think that is my only weakness. I know I can present but I'm not *really* familiar with redhat |
| 18:44.32 | herlo | I don't think it'll matter, pick a general subject... |
| 18:44.44 | herlo | something you know would be similar in both OSes... |
| 18:45.39 | Zelut | trying to think of what else I know well that isn't ubuntu specific |
| 18:47.50 | sontek | is it for sys admins or desktop users? |
| 18:48.17 | herlo | sontek: what? |
| 18:55.34 | Zelut | maybe something about securing ssh? |
| 18:56.50 | sontek | herlo: I mean does dax want to see more desktop or sys admin type stuff |
| 18:57.01 | sontek | I was gonna help with a topic :P |
| 18:57.23 | Zelut | my guess is its more sysadmin directed |
| 18:59.06 | herlo | sontek: yeah... |
| 19:02.59 | herlo | sontek: its sys admin stuff |
| 19:03.37 | herlo | we don't focus on desktop users as they are all idiots running windows! Nobody runs linux on the desktop ;) |
| 19:04.22 | Zelut | herlo: any suggestions on a second topic? what do I know well? |
| 19:04.35 | herlo | Zelut: uhhh |
| 19:04.38 | Zelut | i feel like i know enough about a lot of things but not everything about any one thing |
| 19:04.42 | herlo | apache? |
| 19:04.50 | herlo | show how to do virtual hosting... |
| 19:06.08 | Zelut | that could work.. I'm wondering what kind of hard questions they'll hit me with. |
| 19:06.31 | herlo | I can think of a few.... |
| 19:06.44 | herlo | you do ssh or nfs configs |
| 19:06.50 | sontek | if you did apache you could talk about cacheing |
| 19:06.50 | herlo | or lvm and raid |
| 19:07.27 | Zelut | I don't feel like I know lvm or raid well. |
| 19:07.48 | Zelut | ssh maybe if I build a few things on my ssh tutorials. |
| 19:08.06 | Zelut | I have yet to setup key-only auth, which I think would be important. |
| 19:08.59 | herlo | do something like Local tunnels and remote tunnels. They'd be impressed by that... |
| 19:09.33 | Zelut | such as? |
| 19:11.46 | herlo | ssh -L ; ssh -R ; ssh -D |
| 19:12.32 | herlo | I don't know enough about them to give you exact stuff. But I've seen you do something similar... |
| 19:12.38 | Zelut | ssh -D won't work for me for some reason. ssh -L I'm using.. |
| 19:13.04 | herlo | right... |
| 19:13.16 | herlo | gotta go teach troubleshooting section... |
| 19:28.36 | Zelut | the only thing I'm not 100% on is user id, group id & sticky bit. |
| 19:38.56 | Zelut | what is an example of a file that has +s or g+s? |
| 19:51.32 | Zelut | ok I think I've got it now.. |
| 20:01.28 | redbeard1 | Zelut: good to see you last night, duder |
| 20:02.03 | Zelut | redbeard1: hope it wasn't too much of a snoozer |
| 20:03.03 | redbeard1 | it wasn't. i enjoyed much of it. i wish i hadn't had a project that was taking up part of my attention. |
| 20:04.43 | Zelut | it was nice to hear that many had found / used the blog from google before |
| 20:31.16 | Zelut | I just got bootcamp going. We're in business baby :) |
| 20:31.49 | redbeard1 | so, i missed what the bootcamp thing was all about |
| 20:34.53 | sontek | yay Zelut :P |
| 20:37.23 | Zelut | redbeard1: its the system to allow dual-boot on mac hardware |
| 20:37.52 | Zelut | redbeard1: its a little tricky so far. i have to use a different boot loader and do my partitioning in bootcamp to get ubuntu installed. |
| 20:38.13 | Zelut | I think I've got it working now though so, basically, I have an Ubuntu + OSX dual-boot system now. |
| 20:42.48 | Zelut | turns out the problem was getting the refit package installed has dependency problems in dapper (the only CD I had on first attempt) but works in Feisty |
| 20:43.07 | Zelut | I should have a tutorial up this weekend sometime. |
| 20:44.00 | herlo | Zelut: nice! |
| 20:50.06 | Zelut | I wont worry about it until the GL stuff is done though :) |
| 20:51.19 | sontek | present on it! =) |
| 20:51.39 | HoneyShiv | All I hear is blah blah blah.... |
| 20:52.04 | sontek | HoneyShiv: did you lose your babel fish?! |
| 20:52.28 | HoneyShiv | haha! I wish.... ;) |
| 20:52.59 | HoneyShiv | just kidding, don't kick me out please! |
| 20:56.31 | Zelut | blah |
| 20:58.13 | sontek | hmm.. only if I had the power.. ;) |
| 20:58.59 | maquis | redbeard1: i still want a pic of beastie!!!! |
| 20:59.01 | HoneyShiv | haha- you wish |
| 20:59.28 | Zelut | maquis: sontek posted one last nite. |
| 20:59.51 | sontek | http://www.sontek.net/beastie/ I have a couple up there |
| 21:04.25 | maquis | that's a good cake |
| 21:06.00 | sontek | I forgot to get pictures after we ate his head |
| 21:06.36 | sontek | Christer had my undivided attention for his wonderful presentation |
| 21:06.40 | Zelut | after he got fragged |
| 21:06.56 | Zelut | sontek: dude, you were bored |
| 21:08.26 | sontek | I wasn't bored =) But I read your blog so I read most of those entries already ;) |
| 21:08.43 | sontek | But you did remind me that I still haven't signed CoC :( |
| 21:09.12 | sontek | You are a good presenter though, you keep things going |
| 21:09.40 | tristanbob_ | http://www.ubuntu.com/products/softwarecatalogue |
| 21:09.58 | Zelut | kind of felt like I should have been up & about, but I would have been back & forth to the machine a lot |
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| 21:11.00 | herlo | Zelut: that's a good instinct if you are gonna be presenting regularly... |
| 21:12.01 | Zelut | i'm more comfortable standing but I was kind of tied to my machine with the way I had things setup |
| 21:12.17 | herlo | for sure... |
| 21:21.56 | tristanbob_ | any notes from the gaming presentation? |
| 21:25.06 | Zelut | i don't think he has posted them yet |
| 21:37.57 | herlo | I am now just hanging out waiting until the last two of my students leave (at 5:30) so I can install the exam systems and take the new tests... |
| 21:38.09 | herlo | In the mean time, I am installing Fedora 7 Test 2 |
| 21:48.03 | herlo | its very pretty! |
| 21:48.10 | herlo | at least the installation is... |
| 21:50.44 | Zelut | ..and now compiz is working. In feisty on supported hardware it took two clicks :) |
| 21:52.04 | herlo | I am building an installation so I can do a kickstart install into xen |
| 21:52.21 | herlo | Zelut: nice |
| 21:53.17 | Zelut | still trying to get wireless going though.. |
| 21:53.50 | herlo | my xen kernel doesn't do so well with wireless.... |
| 22:18.21 | Zelut | crap. i'm getting kernel panic after adding wireless on both regular & single user mode recovery |
| 22:19.04 | herlo | Zelut: you know that shouldn't be related right! |
| 22:19.40 | sontek | Zelut: you probably forgot to compile everything you need into the kernel (file system support?) |
| 22:19.54 | sontek | you can fix it but booting into the livecd and chrooting in |
| 22:19.58 | herlo | or you specified the wrong root |
| 22:20.06 | sontek | thats another option |
| 22:21.19 | Zelut | yeah, i'll try the live cd & start by removing ndiswrapper from /etc/modules. i think that is the last thing I changed |
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