| 00:17.48 | maquis | Zelut: lol |
| 00:47.30 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
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| 01:05.38 | atoponce | grrr |
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| 01:06.01 | atoponce | i only have 10 |
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| 01:44.10 | Zelut | atoponce: pong |
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| 03:19.31 | linuxalien | xchat aqua? |
| 03:19.33 | linuxalien | ircle? |
| 03:21.15 | Zelut | trying irssix now |
| 03:21.32 | Zelut | linuxalien: that's right, you're the mac guy aren't you :) |
| 03:21.44 | linuxalien | Yup. :) |
| 03:22.10 | Zelut | I don't suppose you could tell me why in the world photo booth wont work but the isight cam works fine in iChat |
| 03:22.42 | linuxalien | Do you get a green screen? |
| 03:22.47 | linuxalien | I've heard of that before |
| 03:22.53 | linuxalien | Lemme see if I bookmarked anything |
| 03:22.55 | Zelut | yep. green screen of death |
| 03:23.09 | Zelut | I've been searching all day but I'm still so unfamiliar with Mac its hard to know what to try |
| 03:23.29 | Zelut | I have verified that the camera is recognized via a second program & also in the sys profiler. |
| 03:23.44 | Zelut | It is set to millions of colors.. those were some of the basics I found. |
| 03:24.53 | linuxalien | http://maczealots.com/tutorials/photo-booth/ |
| 03:25.13 | linuxalien | AT the bottom of the article it has webcamtweaker or something like that. Lemme know if that fixes it. |
| 03:25.28 | Zelut | i saw that but I thought that was just a different program to use instead. I'll try |
| 03:27.21 | Zelut | ...nothing showing up on that app either |
| 03:27.45 | linuxalien | Oh ok, nm. I'll do some searching |
| 03:28.14 | Zelut | i just figure its weird that it'll work in one app & not another. |
| 03:29.05 | linuxalien | Yeah, it's a bug probably |
| 03:30.52 | linuxalien | http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3035175� |
| 03:30.53 | linuxalien | Try that |
| 03:33.01 | Zelut | trashed the file. no change. |
| 03:33.28 | Zelut | actually.. I realize I have a DVD camcorder plugged in. I wonder if thats conflicting |
| 03:34.13 | Zelut | son of a ... works fine now |
| 03:34.39 | Zelut | been troubleshooting this stupid thing all day. simply unplug the DVD firewire input and its fine |
| 03:35.00 | linuxalien | Oh weird |
| 03:35.09 | linuxalien | At least you figured it out! |
| 03:36.49 | Zelut | this mac is proving more difficult than I expected and its because I'm expecting things to me *more* complicated than they are |
| 03:37.14 | Zelut | install an app? drop it in the apps folder. uninstall an app? delete it from the apps. I expect things to be harder than that! lol |
| 03:37.39 | linuxalien | Hahaha Yeah, it's different |
| 03:38.13 | Zelut | this is definitely "ready for the desktop" :) |
| 03:38.27 | Zelut | don't worry guys, I'm not leaving Ubuntu or anything.. ;) |
| 03:39.24 | linuxalien | Cool. :) |
| 03:39.48 | Zelut | the dashboard widgets are pretty cool too |
| 03:40.21 | Zelut | linuxalien: any must-have OSX apps you suggest? so far I've installed Adium, NeoOffice, VLC and Firefox. |
| 03:41.24 | linuxalien | Yeah, I like widgets. |
| 03:41.35 | linuxalien | try skype, democracy, lyfox, |
| 03:41.45 | linuxalien | thunderbird |
| 03:41.49 | Zelut | ooh and I've got skype too. what's lyfox? |
| 03:42.04 | linuxalien | lyfox lets you watch music.yahoo.com music videos on your mac |
| 03:42.14 | linuxalien | yahoo is not too friendly towards macs or linux as far as videos go it seems |
| 03:42.17 | linuxalien | or last I checked |
| 03:43.50 | Zelut | ooh, one other thing.. |
| 03:44.15 | Zelut | I've figured out how to mount my NFS share over the network but after each reboot I have to do it manually again. Any ideas? |
| 03:45.54 | linuxalien | I dunno. I don't have an nfs share myself. |
| 03:46.23 | Zelut | I found a tutorial but I'm not too familiar with the netinfo section. I guess I'll have to keep trying |
| 03:46.42 | Zelut | normally I'd just pop open the /etc/fstab & add it in.. not sure it works the same way though |
| 03:49.17 | linuxalien | Nopers. Macs are mainly gui and you don't want to do the CLI without a good reference |
| 03:49.41 | Zelut | I have found that many of the same CLI commands are similar, which is comforting for me :) |
| 03:50.00 | linuxalien | Yeah, it's nice that OS X is DarwinBSD |
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| 03:51.05 | Zelut | linuxalien: hey do you think its worth upgrading to Leopard when its out? |
| 03:51.28 | Zelut | herlo: got a sec? |
| 03:58.47 | linuxalien | Yes |
| 03:59.02 | linuxalien | Zelut, I would definitely, especially since they don't bend you over for upgrades like microshaft |
| 03:59.21 | Zelut | I think the guy at the Mac store said it was something like $129? |
| 03:59.30 | linuxalien | Yeah, that's the fullblow price |
| 03:59.35 | linuxalien | I imagine an upgrade would be less |
| 03:59.41 | linuxalien | fullblown |
| 03:59.44 | linuxalien | * |
| 03:59.49 | Zelut | well that's not bad then. |
| 04:00.08 | Zelut | still foreign to me after using free software for so long. anything but Vista is becoming my new motto |
| 04:00.21 | linuxalien | Yeah, Vista is going to be a disaster at the rate they're going. |
| 04:00.27 | linuxalien | Major flaws, especially in security. |
| 04:01.16 | Zelut | I will never buy a machine with Vista. It'll either be a home-grown box or a Mac. I'm never touching that garbage. |
| 04:02.09 | Zelut | ohh, here is another question. When I try to load a .m3u playlist it defaults to load in iTunes but iTunes doens't seem to read the streaming .ogg. Do you know how I can change the default player? |
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| 04:03.00 | linuxalien | Hmmm |
| 04:03.03 | Zelut | oops |
| 04:03.07 | linuxalien | hehe |
| 04:03.25 | linuxalien | You can install something like fink or darwinports and install xmms through that |
| 04:03.37 | linuxalien | xmms might even have a mac binary by now |
| 04:03.38 | linuxalien | lemme check |
| 04:03.54 | Zelut | I'm using VLC which I'm happy with, I just don't know how to change the default player away from iTunes |
| 04:05.05 | linuxalien | Right click on the link or if it downloads that m3u or whatever, then select open with, and select always for vlc |
| 04:05.05 | Zelut | I don't think iTunes is recognizing my .ogg files.. might be missing a codec? |
| 04:05.53 | linuxalien | I dunno if they make one for itunes |
| 04:06.05 | linuxalien | Apple is great, but iTunes is mp3 or their own DRM |
| 04:06.13 | linuxalien | As far as I can tell, the don't do wma either |
| 04:06.27 | Zelut | I thought I found a plugin but it doesn't seem to be working so I thought I'd try to change the default plalyer and don't know how |
| 04:08.06 | linuxalien | I didn't know they had a plugin |
| 04:08.11 | linuxalien | That's kinda cool |
| 04:08.25 | Zelut | http://www.google.com/search?q=ogg+plugin+itunes&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 04:10.41 | Zelut | http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ |
| 04:11.43 | linuxalien | Thanks! I"ll make good use of that |
| 04:13.45 | Zelut | I converted 60G of .mp3 to .ogg so that was one of the first things I looked for :) |
| 04:28.07 | linuxalien | Right on |
| 04:28.16 | linuxalien | Have you heard of www.pandora.com ? |
| 04:28.24 | Zelut | yeah |
| 04:28.35 | Zelut | haven't used it much since I have my own streaming server |
| 04:28.39 | linuxalien | I like it. Free music that is mainly what I like and I can guide it |
| 04:38.38 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 04:38.46 | linuxalien | hi atoponce |
| 04:38.50 | atoponce | linuxalien: word |
| 04:40.03 | atoponce | linuxalien: seen lady in the water? |
| 04:40.54 | linuxalien | atoponce, Yeah, it was not bad if you like fairy tales |
| 04:41.15 | Zelut | i'm here |
| 04:41.33 | atoponce | linuxalien: i didn't really like it. it was... weird... |
| 04:42.24 | linuxalien | atoponce, it wasn't realistic...just something you'd show your kids to entertain them |
| 05:18.15 | herlo | Zelut: what's up? |
| 05:18.32 | Zelut | herlo: had a hardware question I thought you might be able to help with. |
| 05:19.02 | Zelut | herlo: I got a 500G SATA for christmas but my machines only support PATA (I believe). Can I simply get a SATA PCI controller and be set to use this beast? |
| 05:19.02 | herlo | well, if you can give me some clues as to why my sound won't work on Ubuntu, I'll be glad to help you |
| 05:19.19 | herlo | yeah, probably. I saw your post |
| 05:19.31 | herlo | just haven't had time to respond yet |
| 05:19.37 | herlo | putting kids to bed is tiring work |
| 05:19.38 | herlo | :) |
| 05:19.38 | Zelut | I never got any replies to that so I've been digging around more |
| 05:19.53 | Zelut | herlo: I've got nephews until Saturday. I just got my two kids to bed |
| 05:20.05 | herlo | hmm, fun in't it? |
| 05:20.15 | herlo | s/in/itn/g |
| 05:20.17 | Zelut | I'm never having children |
| 05:20.36 | linuxalien | Nite guys |
| 05:20.40 | linuxalien | bed calls cuz of work tomorrow |
| 05:21.09 | herlo | night linuxalien |
| 05:21.19 | Zelut | herlo: I'm assuming the PCI controller would do the job, the only thing I really wonder after that is if the controller would support the size or if its dependent on the BIOS still. |
| 05:21.27 | herlo | so my feeling on the PATA/SATA thing is this.... |
| 05:21.40 | herlo | you need to upgrade your machine |
| 05:21.47 | herlo | but since you probably can't yet |
| 05:21.57 | herlo | the PCI controller should really have no issues. |
| 05:22.10 | herlo | the actual person you should ask, is Otis |
| 05:22.23 | herlo | he'd know for sure, but I think you are on the right track |
| 05:22.50 | Zelut | I'll give it a try. I'd rather not have to return this drive |
| 05:23.19 | herlo | I'd say not to return the drive, but instead maybe exchange it for an updated MoBo |
| 05:23.46 | herlo | since you're gonna need that to make the HD work, it's kind of a trade off |
| 05:24.09 | Zelut | but if I can make it work with a $50 controller.. |
| 05:24.31 | Zelut | my new machine is yet pending (a bit delayed considering I got the iMac earlier than expected) |
| 05:24.45 | herlo | Zelut: maybe |
| 05:25.04 | herlo | but if that doesn't work |
| 05:25.08 | herlo | was my point |
| 05:25.13 | Zelut | yeah |
| 05:26.22 | herlo | so, I'd say that a 250G drive with a new MoBo might be more effective than a 500GB drive with a PCI card |
| 05:26.32 | herlo | but price makes a bit of a difference |
| 05:27.58 | Zelut | I think I'll try to find a local PCI controller and see if that works. Can always return it. |
| 05:28.10 | herlo | yup |
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| 05:28.30 | herlo | So, any reason why my sound would just "stop" working on my 64bit pc? |
| 05:34.25 | herlo | Zelut: ?? |
| 05:34.35 | Zelut | change anything since it just stopped? |
| 05:35.34 | herlo | well, I tried to reinstall alsa and that didn't accomplish anything |
| 05:37.02 | herlo | Zelut: do you mean "did I change anything BEFORE it just stopped"? |
| 05:37.15 | Zelut | right.. updates, installed apps, etc. |
| 05:37.30 | herlo | well, I recently added functionality for lvm, but that doesn't seem to make sense |
| 05:39.00 | herlo | Zelut: that's about the only thing I can really think of. I don't believe I've ever really had any issues with this sound card before |
| 05:39.27 | Zelut | have you fiddled with the speaker preferences at all? |
| 05:39.49 | herlo | Zelut: since it stopped working, yes, before no |
| 05:41.11 | Zelut | does this do anything? http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_configure_sound_to_work_properly_in_GNOME |
| 05:42.37 | Zelut | not sure why things would suddenly change though.. |
| 05:44.18 | herlo | yeah, me neither, seems odd. |
| 05:44.45 | herlo | Zelut: you got a place where you keep your sources.list file handy online? |
| 05:45.15 | Zelut | I don't think I have a current one posted but checkout http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic |
| 05:50.49 | herlo | Zelut: thx, will work on it some more |
| 05:51.09 | Zelut | bad reviews on most of these controllers at newegg when it comes to Linux support.. |
| 05:51.37 | herlo | Zelut: that sucks |
| 05:51.52 | herlo | btw, I get a gpg error on the saveas repositories, any reason? |
| 05:52.02 | herlo | err, seveas |
| 05:52.21 | Zelut | just need to import his key. instructions here... |
| 05:52.37 | Zelut | wget http://mirror.ubuntulinux.nl/1135D466.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 05:54.11 | Zelut | hmm, one review says "can't get it to work on my linux box" while another one below says "works great on my FreeBSD machine" |
| 05:54.51 | herlo | yeah, one idiot, one smart guy |
| 05:55.38 | herlo | time for beddy bye |
| 05:55.48 | Zelut | sounds like the BSD guy re-installed BSD after installation.. I'm guessing the installer helps recognize hardware more than the booting kernel might. |
| 05:56.28 | herlo | Zelut: yeah, but I bet that something like kudzu (RH) or the dpkg configurator would work just as well... |
| 05:56.32 | herlo | g'night |
| 05:56.39 | Zelut | nite |
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| 15:24.59 | maquis | i'm very suspicious of anything that works in bsd and not in linux |
| 15:29.41 | atoponce | how do you mean? |
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| 16:27.29 | maquis | atoponce: generally, it means that either the linux-user had very little idea what they were doing, or the bsd-user spent *way* too much time on it |
| 16:27.56 | atoponce | ahh. i see. |
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| 19:35.36 | atoponce | Zelut: ping |
| 19:39.36 | Zelut | atoponce: I'm in Kaysville now. Should be leaving in about 20min if you're still around. |
| 19:40.19 | atoponce | yeah. just want to let you know that my sister-in-law will be way early |
| 19:40.24 | atoponce | she'll be here in about an hour |
| 19:43.11 | Zelut | cripes. I better get moving |
| 19:43.33 | Zelut | I figure its only about 15min away from here.. let me wrap up this blog post and I'll head up. |
| 19:43.38 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:44.46 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:46.10 | Zelut | the house is a mess. the cats are terrified. I didn't get any sleep. |
| 19:46.57 | maquis | the cats are terrified? |
| 19:48.00 | Zelut | my cats are terrified of these kids. it'll take a week to get them out from under the bed. |
| 19:52.25 | herlo | Zelut is a cat person! |
| 19:52.34 | atoponce | dogs rule |
| 20:32.41 | [phoenyx] | cats drool |
| 20:35.14 | maquis | i agree with the sentiments (prefer dogs myself), but last i checked, dogs drooled a good bit more than cats :) |
| 20:35.58 | [phoenyx] | yeah, I realized it was wrong as soon as I typed it |
| 20:36.54 | maquis | :) |
| 20:37.55 | maquis | herlo: what about non-furry animals? |
| 20:38.03 | herlo | maquis: like? |
| 20:38.09 | maquis | lizards, snakes, etc |
| 20:38.13 | maquis | birds |
| 20:38.31 | herlo | slithering animals are cool |
| 20:38.39 | maquis | snakes are cool too |
| 20:38.49 | herlo | yes, they are |
| 20:39.36 | [phoenyx] | Dogs regard their owners as alpha in the pack. Cats think of their owners as property. |
| 20:39.45 | maquis | my poor mom never really got over the fact that i like snakes and such... |
| 20:41.07 | herlo | snakes are cool. I like watching them feed |
| 20:42.43 | maquis | yeah |
| 20:43.06 | maquis | my mom just didn't like the fact that, when i was in first and second grade, i liked to bring the snakes i caught into the house |
| 20:43.56 | herlo | most mom's don't like that |
| 20:44.05 | herlo | we brought home salamanders and pollywogs |
| 20:44.10 | maquis | :) |
| 20:44.19 | maquis | my mom was/is scared of snakes... |
| 20:47.04 | herlo | occasionally we found garter snakes in our back yard and brought them in too... |
| 20:47.23 | herlo | some people call them garden snakes |
| 20:47.46 | maquis | garter snakes were the ones i caught too |
| 20:49.22 | maquis | got bitten by a couple of them, but there's nothing dangerous about them... |
| 20:52.58 | tristanbob | where is Zelut? his blog has labelled me comment spam |
| 20:53.18 | maquis | spammer |
| 20:53.37 | tristanbob | :) true, but perhaps he really needs a second mortgage? |
| 20:54.05 | tristanbob | my comment: "Nice post. It reminds me of the great products we sell, including..." |
| 20:54.13 | maquis | lol |
| 20:54.24 | tristanbob | I don't know why it got caught! |
| 20:55.45 | tristanbob | zelut is addicted to blogging |
| 20:55.48 | tristanbob | :) |
| 20:56.12 | tristanbob | but he needs to get the google ads out of his articles |
| 20:56.16 | tristanbob | that looks so ugly! |
| 20:56.20 | tristanbob | http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/ |
| 20:56.56 | maquis | agreed |
| 20:57.38 | maquis | :) |
| 20:57.56 | maquis | granted, i average 1 post / month rather than 1 post / day |
| 21:00.42 | herlo | tristanbob: you are a spammer |
| 21:00.47 | herlo | just deal with it |
| 21:00.49 | herlo | ! |
| 21:00.51 | herlo | :-P |
| 21:01.14 | tristanbob | herlo: HERLO! |
| 21:02.04 | tristanbob | is that an abbreviated name for HerLoss, which is what you would say about girls who rejected you? |
| 21:02.20 | tristanbob | ;) |
| 21:04.04 | maquis | harsh |
| 21:11.05 | herlo | tristanbob: maybe |
| 21:11.28 | herlo | besides, girls don't reject the herlo |
| 21:11.30 | herlo | :) |
| 21:11.32 | tristanbob | :) |
| 21:11.50 | maquis | that's what they all say.... |
| 21:11.55 | herlo | :) |
| 21:12.10 | [phoenyx] | "the herlo", huh? |
| 21:12.12 | maquis | herlo: sure |
| 21:13.28 | herlo | [phoenyx]: it's like "the Todd" |
| 21:13.40 | [phoenyx] | lol |
| 21:13.47 | herlo | only cooler and less stuck up |
| 21:17.51 | tristanbob | Tristan says that talking in third person is cool |
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| 21:47.32 | maquis | herlo: you do? |
| 21:56.02 | herlo | maquis: he does |
| 21:56.18 | maquis | herlo: you're still not using second person |
| 21:56.25 | maquis | you're using 3rd |
| 21:59.11 | herlo | maquis: herlo doesn't remember what second person is anymore, he likes third |
| 21:59.24 | herlo | ;) |
| 22:00.27 | herlo | maquis: so that's what you think |
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| 22:03.02 | phoenyx | when you use second person, it's hard to understand, like you are right now |
| 22:03.19 | maquis | herlo: :) |
| 22:07.44 | goozbach | blargfooblarg |
| 22:08.15 | maquis | goozbach: agreed |
| 22:08.52 | maquis | in a perl cgi script, a command run with `` with output sent to a variable should not mess with cgi headers, right? |
| 22:11.34 | goozbach | parse error |
| 22:11.45 | goozbach | you're running a `` command? |
| 22:11.47 | goozbach | how? |
| 22:11.53 | maquis | goozbach: running a command in backticks |
| 22:11.59 | goozbach | $foo = `some blahrg`; |
| 22:12.03 | maquis | yes |
| 22:12.19 | maquis | that shouldn't mess with cgi headers, right? |
| 22:12.36 | goozbach | how are you referencing the var in your output? |
| 22:13.11 | goozbach | it COULD modify the output if you're doing something which plays with the headers |
| 22:13.35 | goozbach | gtg bbiab |
| 22:14.39 | maquis | <PROTECTED> |