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| 04:05.03 | Zelut | well I just submitted my blog to http://planet.ubuntu.com - we'll see if they let it stick ;) |
| 04:05.34 | herlo | Zelut: 501.81GiB in torrent downloads |
| 04:05.48 | Zelut | fa-reak |
| 04:05.49 | herlo | Zelut: nice |
| 04:06.42 | herlo | we surpassed 1600 diggs a while ago |
| 04:06.47 | herlo | but it's slowing down |
| 04:07.17 | Zelut | hmm.. bzr is having trouble commiting my changes to the planet |
| 04:07.19 | herlo | Otis wants to know if you've made your mind up about UTOPIA |
| 04:07.29 | herlo | Zelut: bzr is a pain |
| 04:07.49 | Zelut | bzr: ERROR: Bound branch BzrBranch5('file:///home/christer/planet-ubuntu/') is out of date with master branch BzrBranch5('sftp://christer.edwards@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eplanet-ubuntu/config/main/'). |
| 04:08.42 | herlo | 'bzr update' I think |
| 04:09.15 | Zelut | using instructions here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu |
| 04:09.22 | herlo | Zelut: Otis says it's because you've not switched to AT&T w/UTOPIA |
| 04:09.35 | Zelut | ok update worked. now I need to commit? |
| 04:09.47 | herlo | yup |
| 04:10.37 | Zelut | that worked.. should come up on the planet in the next few hours. /me is kind of freaking out |
| 04:11.33 | herlo | 1627 diggs |
| 04:11.37 | Zelut | loving that |
| 04:11.55 | Zelut | Its a little intimidating being on a planet with those other guys.. kind of raises the bar on content |
| 04:12.03 | herlo | nah |
| 04:12.40 | herlo | they're just people |
| 04:13.31 | Zelut | see ya |
| 04:13.36 | herlo | night |
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| 04:31.45 | Zelut | hey there VerdRousseau |
| 04:35.04 | VerdRousseau | hey |
| 04:36.58 | VerdRousseau | hows it goin? |
| 04:37.56 | Zelut | going well. |
| 04:38.23 | VerdRousseau | Thats good. |
| 04:40.48 | VerdRousseau | Im yet to figure out my wireless. |
| 04:49.07 | Zelut | hmm. |
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| 05:27.10 | Zelut | looks like freenode died |
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| 08:10.28 | herlo | Zelut: we were no #1 on dig before everyone found out that AllofMP3.com is getting sued for $1.6Trillion |
| 08:12.26 | Zelut | which I just found :) |
| 08:13.19 | herlo | funny huh |
| 09:46.42 | atoponce | anyone awake? |
| 16:53.06 | herlo | Zelut: have you seen this before? http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ |
| 17:02.12 | Zelut | she's nice :) |
| 17:03.38 | herlo | Zelut: she is? Have you met her? Can you introduce me? |
| 17:03.56 | herlo | Zelut: what are you up to today? |
| 17:04.07 | Zelut | not in person but we've been in a few irc meets & we're on many of the same lists |
| 17:04.24 | Zelut | she's high on the marketing team & does a lot with LoCo in au |
| 17:05.19 | herlo | Yeah, I was just reading about her ubuntucounter project. I'd never even thought of that. It's way cool |
| 17:06.26 | Zelut | let's get some people registered then :) |
| 17:07.36 | herlo | what also might be cool is a little app you can just have running as a daemon on your box that will report the version at boot. Of course, this needs to be user chosen... |
| 17:07.48 | herlo | otherwise, it might as well be spyware |
| 17:08.18 | herlo | Zelut: you should talk about it at the next Meet |
| 17:08.56 | Zelut | I'll write up a blog about it.. /me is still a little starry-eyed from being on the planet |
| 17:09.30 | herlo | Also, we should start an Ubuntu hacking night, once a month, maybe the night could rotate some from Utah to SL, to Davis/Weber Counties as well |
| 17:09.55 | herlo | kind of like an informal get together to just hack on Ubuntu and do some of the stuff we learn in the meets or online |
| 17:10.18 | herlo | Zelut: blogging would be cool, but we should mention it as well. |
| 17:10.27 | herlo | Zelut: I saw your vim post... |
| 17:10.29 | herlo | nice |
| 17:11.12 | Zelut | I know its nothing extraordinary but I always forget some of those basic things so I looked them up & wrote then down. Going to try & make myself use vim from now on.. and I gave you the link love :) |
| 17:12.25 | Zelut | tomorrow is about s/fine/replace, %s/find/replace and things like :help & vimtutor |
| 17:16.18 | herlo | Zelut: I learned about :'<,>'s/\%Vthis/\%Vthat/g yesterday, which does a replace visually within the selected text |
| 17:18.18 | herlo | Zelut: vim rocks huh!! |
| 17:19.07 | Zelut | once you figure it out, yeah.. until that point its got such a steep learning curve. |
| 17:20.21 | herlo | Zelut: well, vim, not so much as vi, but I agree |
| 17:20.30 | herlo | since in vim, you only need to know about insert mode and ex ":" mode |
| 17:20.50 | herlo | because at that point it's an editor with some quirks |
| 17:51.00 | Zelut | I just got a somewhat nasty email from one of the documentation guys asking WTF did I create a blog for instead of adding to the official docs. |
| 17:51.02 | herlo | Zelut: I just wrote a 2 page long email to the S4 Dev list detailing all of the things I think should be in the next CD/DVD release. It hopefully will be a new build process with a bunch of other cool features, like picking which App categories you want in the CD. Or by moving the UI online and only having the apps on the CD, |
| 17:51.28 | herlo | Zelut: ask him to read your "Why I do this page" that you have created |
| 17:51.48 | herlo | and inform him you'd add it to the docs, but it's probably already there |
| 17:52.03 | herlo | unless he has some other idea of how you should add it |
| 17:52.51 | Zelut | I kindly told him that I'm more than willing to contribute to the docs where needed but I've found the blog a great way to reach people that would otherwise not have found out about the docs and we've both got the same goal. |
| 17:53.11 | herlo | sounds about right |
| 17:53.21 | herlo | Zelut: like the ideas for the new S4? |
| 17:53.43 | Zelut | sounds cool |
| 17:53.52 | herlo | internationalization is gonna be a big thing too |
| 17:54.23 | herlo | Zelut: the street in front of my house is completely white |
| 17:54.39 | herlo | it's kinda strange to see it... |
| 17:54.45 | herlo | Zelut: there's always opportunity |
| 17:54.51 | herlo | btw, we do have a channel here on freenode |
| 17:54.54 | herlo | #s4 |
| 17:55.04 | herlo | hardly anybody is ever in it |
| 17:55.15 | herlo | Zelut: there's plenty to do |
| 17:56.18 | herlo | Zelut: you should join the seeders list |
| 17:56.20 | herlo | at least |
| 17:56.49 | herlo | seeders-request@softwarefor.org |
| 17:57.06 | herlo | here's all the lists: http://softwarefor.org/contact.html |
| 17:57.10 | Zelut | people just drop a note if seeders are low? |
| 17:58.15 | herlo | well, its mostly for announcing when we release so we can preseed. But in the future, it'll probably be something more like that. I'd like to see 10 releases in 2007, but not sure if that's realistic |
| 17:58.58 | herlo | the way I'd do it is by programming for the first 3 months to build a CD/DVD that can be built automatically by pushing a button on either a web page or a GUI |
| 17:59.22 | herlo | And having a streamlined process to do so |
| 18:00.48 | Zelut | so the user can customize the apps they want & it creates an .iso? |
| 18:01.18 | herlo | possibly |
| 18:01.44 | herlo | it'll probably be something like pick categories and remove stuff in the category |
| 18:02.14 | Zelut | anything you can suggest for this post about grub before it posts next week? http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2006/12/29/tweaking-grub-ubuntu-510-6061-610/ |
| 18:03.05 | herlo | 404 |
| 18:03.16 | herlo | plus your title font is way big on my browser |
| 18:04.55 | Zelut | yeah I noticed that after updating the theme yesterday.. I should go fix it. |
| 18:07.45 | Zelut | i can never figure out the right entries to fix in .css |
| 18:10.37 | herlo | unless only id exists |
| 18:11.33 | Zelut | from source it looks like the header is in div id=title & then h1 id=blog-title |
| 18:11.37 | Zelut | so look for those in the .css? |
| 18:11.46 | herlo | no |
| 18:11.50 | herlo | look for those in the html |
| 18:11.59 | herlo | then the corresponding tag will match up in the .css |
| 18:12.01 | herlo | like this |
| 18:12.23 | herlo | <a href="somelink.html" class="blah">link text</a> |
| 18:12.28 | herlo | would match up with something like |
| 18:12.43 | herlo | .a { some formatting } IIRC |
| 18:13.00 | herlo | id's use # before the tag name |
| 18:13.10 | herlo | so if it were an id it'd be like this |
| 18:13.26 | herlo | <div id="sometag"></div> |
| 18:13.59 | herlo | #id { some formatting; } |
| 18:14.02 | herlo | something like that |
| 18:14.19 | herlo | I realize I forgot to mention that I only ever hack css myself |
| 18:14.25 | Zelut | .<h1 id="blog-title"><a href="http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/" title="Ubuntu Tutorials : Breezy - Dapper - Edgy - Feisty">Ubuntu Tutorials : Breezy - Dapper - Edgy - Feisty</a></h1> |
| 18:14.30 | herlo | looks better |
| 18:14.38 | herlo | so look for something that says |
| 18:14.53 | herlo | h1 or #blog-title |
| 18:14.54 | Zelut | too small? |
| 18:15.03 | herlo | nah, fits across on one line |
| 18:15.18 | herlo | still get a 404 though |
| 18:17.01 | Zelut | 103% & 99% on my S4 seeds. I set them to 300% share. |
| 18:17.13 | herlo | nice |
| 18:17.23 | herlo | I am still pumping out 2.2 MB/s |
| 18:17.30 | herlo | that's MegaBytes |
| 18:17.34 | herlo | from herlo.org |
| 18:17.40 | Zelut | ..and 95% & 101% on the other connection I started seeding. |
| 18:17.51 | herlo | just dropped to 1.4MB/s |
| 18:18.01 | herlo | last night I saw it at 3.5MB/s |
| 18:19.22 | Zelut | that whole thing exploded on digg |
| 18:19.29 | Zelut | atoponce: ping |
| 18:23.23 | herlo | Zelut: what thing? |
| 18:23.44 | Zelut | S4 completely took off |
| 18:24.04 | Zelut | I love this. My brother just IM'd me and said his mo-in-law got him a laptop for Christmas & he's requesting I install Ubuntu on it. |
| 18:24.05 | Zelut | score |
| 18:33.25 | herlo | Zelut: nice! |
| 18:33.27 | herlo | deal!! |
| 18:34.11 | herlo | tell him that you'd like the windows license when he decides he doesn't need it so you can add it to your "Zelut's infamy" collection of unneeded licenses |
| 18:34.23 | herlo | :-P |
| 18:34.30 | Zelut | hehe |
| 18:36.45 | herlo | man I am going crazy on the s4 dev list |
| 18:36.54 | herlo | just updated my last email to expand my RSS discussion |
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| 18:48.18 | herlo | almost 2000 bt downloads |
| 18:48.20 | herlo | of SSS |
| 18:48.45 | Zelut | sweet |
| 18:49.35 | herlo | I wonder what direct downloads has been like |
| 18:50.06 | herlo | Zelut: any suggestions on an easy way to fix grub to point to the right windows drive as the secondary? |
| 18:50.49 | herlo | I've already got windows installed |
| 18:52.02 | Zelut | uhm, is it not added to your grub menu? |
| 18:52.13 | herlo | you mean menu.lst |
| 18:52.17 | herlo | ? |
| 18:52.23 | Zelut | yes |
| 18:52.49 | herlo | well, I've not looked at it, was looking for suggestions first. Just did grub-install to reset the boot loader, but it didn't work |
| 18:53.09 | herlo | I think I need to fix the bios |
| 18:53.56 | herlo | that's part of the problem for sure |
| 18:54.04 | Zelut | what is wrong with the bios? |
| 18:54.25 | herlo | it was using the windows disk to boot from first |
| 18:54.32 | herlo | so the mbr is correct now |
| 18:54.42 | herlo | but I've got to tell grub where to load windows |
| 18:55.01 | herlo | it's like chainloader +1 or something like that |
| 18:55.13 | Zelut | one sec.. |
| 18:55.31 | herlo | haven't had ubuntu on in a couple days, needs lots of updates |
| 18:56.09 | Zelut | this is the entry I use for one dual-boot machine: |
| 18:56.23 | Zelut | title DANGER! DANGER! DANGER! |
| 18:56.29 | Zelut | root (hd0,0) |
| 18:56.31 | Zelut | savedefault |
| 18:56.33 | Zelut | makeactive |
| 18:56.38 | Zelut | chainloader +1 |
| 18:57.10 | herlo | cool |
| 18:57.10 | herlo | tx |
| 18:57.15 | herlo | that's what I was looking for |
| 18:58.07 | herlo | Ubuntu even has a simple example |
| 18:58.15 | herlo | in the menu.lst on how to do it |
| 18:58.30 | Zelut | yes it does |
| 18:58.41 | Zelut | I always change the titles on my windows entries to something more... fitting |
| 18:59.48 | herlo | yeah |
| 19:00.45 | herlo | have to reboot anyway, so it'll be fun to test this |
| 19:00.51 | herlo | I've got the following in my file |
| 19:01.30 | herlo | title WinXP |
| 19:01.31 | herlo | root (hd1,3) == /dev/hdc |
| 19:01.31 | herlo | makeactive |
| 19:01.31 | herlo | chainloader +1 |
| 19:01.44 | herlo | the == stuff isn't in there |
| 19:04.24 | Zelut | probably about right |
| 19:04.41 | herlo | should've been root(hd2,0) I think |
| 19:05.38 | herlo | grub can't find it |
| 19:13.43 | herlo | wierd |
| 19:14.25 | Zelut | what error did you get from grub-install? |
| 19:16.23 | herlo | none |
| 19:16.49 | herlo | you know that grub install has nothing to do with the menu.lst right? It just puts grub into the MBR |
| 19:17.05 | herlo | the grub in the MBR actually loads the menu.lst file from the MBR |
| 19:18.45 | Zelut | right. i just wondered what else might be wrong after you saying it didn't seem to work |
| 19:20.13 | herlo | well, I am at the grub boot screen, says loading |
| 19:20.17 | herlo | and sits there |
| 19:20.45 | herlo | I've tried similar things to what I typed above except I know I have the root wrong |
| 19:21.07 | herlo | i've tried root(hd2,0) and rootnoverify (hd2,0) |
| 19:21.26 | herlo | or hd1,0 doesn't work either |
| 19:29.26 | herlo | hmmph |
| 19:36.07 | herlo | Zelut: any other ideas? it really shouldn't be this hard |
| 19:37.02 | Zelut | hmmm |
| 19:38.19 | herlo | trick is, it's on a completely separate hard drive |
| 19:38.45 | herlo | eventually, I want to eliminate windows altogether, but because I am working on SSS, it's probably going to be difficult |
| 19:41.19 | Zelut | bbl |
| 19:51.31 | herlo | bbl? |
| 19:51.37 | herlo | oh, be back later |
| 19:51.40 | herlo | okay, well me too |
| 20:09.47 | Zelut | ohh, if you're still there. How do you add the digg button like you have on softwarefor? |
| 20:17.38 | herlo | Zelut: the digg tools |
| 20:18.03 | Zelut | just found it.. do you also include the script src in the post or put that somewhere more global? |
| 20:20.14 | Zelut | i notice S4 has the diggurl in the header & the .js script src in the post itself.. |
| 20:57.04 | herlo | Zelut: I didn't do it, don't actually know sorry |
| 20:57.24 | herlo | bbs, xmas shopping |
| 20:57.26 | Zelut | hmm.. |
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