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| 00:27.38 | herlo | It's true, that Honeyshiv rarely visits us in here anymore...what gives? |
| 00:28.03 | Honeyshiv | finals coming up |
| 00:28.10 | herlo | ahhh |
| 00:28.41 | herlo | so how goes the studyin? |
| 00:29.29 | Honeyshiv | well... it's studying for finals... how good does that ever go? |
| 00:29.38 | atoponce | herlo: Zelut: maquis: Sir_Brizz: synic: tristanbob_: any of you run exim4 as your MTA? |
| 00:29.45 | herlo | atoponce: nope |
| 00:30.05 | herlo | Honeyshiv: it depends on the class, but I hear ya |
| 00:30.19 | Zelut | atoponce: no sir |
| 00:30.30 | herlo | Zelut: sendmail right? |
| 00:30.35 | herlo | :-D |
| 00:30.48 | Zelut | postfix I prefer |
| 00:31.07 | herlo | btw, wanna colocate with me? |
| 00:31.23 | herlo | no, I mean with my sites..dirty minds |
| 00:32.01 | herlo | I'd like to have you host a couple of my more important sites on your server, and I'll do the same for you....we can provide each other with redundancy |
| 00:32.39 | herlo | we can even do daily rsync's or something to keep them aligned... |
| 00:34.22 | herlo | Zelut: ?? |
| 00:34.35 | Zelut | perhaps.. sorry, with a clien tnow |
| 00:35.32 | herlo | np |
| 00:35.49 | herlo | just you replied before, let me know when ready |
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| 00:46.07 | Zelut | good article on vista: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003460386_btview04.html |
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| 01:19.45 | Zelut | well crap |
| 01:20.33 | Honeyshiv | ? |
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| 01:20.49 | Zelut | just got an email from Xmission forwarded from NBC about file sharing their content. |
| 01:21.02 | herlo | hmm |
| 01:21.11 | herlo | what does it say? |
| 01:22.13 | Zelut | forwarded |
| 01:25.26 | herlo | Zelut: wow, they know a lot of detail |
| 01:26.52 | herlo | although, I wholeheartedly disagree with their claim that it's illegal... |
| 01:27.44 | Zelut | so do I but looks like its time to 1) stop torrents or 2) switch ISPs |
| 01:28.05 | herlo | I vote for 2) |
| 01:28.17 | herlo | but I also have a few questions for you |
| 01:28.27 | herlo | do you download from public trackers |
| 01:28.46 | Zelut | I suppose so.. torrentbox, torrentspy, etc. |
| 01:28.50 | herlo | if so, which ones. Main reason I ask is that it would seem to me that somehow they've been tracking what you've done |
| 01:28.50 | Zelut | I guess that might be my problem |
| 01:29.09 | herlo | probably ought to figure out which one and NOT use it again either... |
| 01:29.52 | Zelut | torrentspy, torrentbox, torrentportal, newnova and isohunt--the defaults in torrentFlux are what I generally use. |
| 01:29.52 | herlo | although, tracking that down could be challenging. I'd want more information from nbc before I complied/changed ISPs |
| 01:30.08 | herlo | u should use a private tracker... |
| 01:30.43 | tristanbob_ | underground? |
| 01:30.50 | herlo | tristanbob_: exactly |
| 01:47.44 | atoponce | herlo: ping |
| 01:48.31 | atoponce | herlo: can you add a test comment to this post: http://www.pthree.org/2006/11/30/its-unicode-baby/ ? i'm testing my email. all comments should be emailed to my account |
| 01:49.30 | atoponce | or anyone, really |
| 01:49.38 | atoponce | i don't care who, i just need to test it |
| 01:56.05 | herlo | atoponce: I'll do it |
| 01:57.07 | herlo | atoponce: you know your time is off right? |
| 01:57.43 | atoponce | my time? |
| 01:58.06 | atoponce | ahh. thx |
| 01:58.11 | atoponce | i'll fix that |
| 01:58.20 | atoponce | thx for the comment too. it worked |
| 01:58.30 | atoponce | good to know that my mail is back up |
| 01:59.44 | atoponce | ok. reconfiguring exim4, and it says "enter the hostname of the machine to which outgoing mail is sent" |
| 02:00.26 | atoponce | if i want to use comcast as my relay, is this where i would enter it? |
| 02:00.26 | atoponce | smtp.comcast.net? |
| 02:00.26 | atoponce | to avoid spam filters? |
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| 04:35.32 | tristanbob_ | HoneyShiv: jbot misses you |
| 04:36.17 | tristanbob_ | atoponce: yes - that is where you put smtp.comcast.net - sometimes this is called smarthost |
| 04:38.18 | atoponce | smarthost? hmmm |
| 04:59.35 | HoneyShiv | tristanbob_: yes, he does... he says that every time :) |
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| 16:54.14 | Zelut | morning |
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| 21:40.41 | Zelut | welcome welcome |
| 21:41.04 | micjwelch | Glad to be here. |
| 21:41.55 | Zelut | normally there is a bit more chatter going on in here.. |
| 21:42.11 | Zelut | micjwelch: this'd be a good place to talk about gaming. Tristanbob did a lot of that research I sent you earlier. |
| 21:42.46 | micjwelch | I'm going to school for Game design, but (no surprise) linux isn't really covered. |
| 21:43.56 | micjwelch | Looking at the stuff zelut sent me links to though, it pulls off a lot of things that most of the popular games have a lot of trouble with. |
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| 21:45.37 | micjwelch | My brother and I had an idea I wanted to bounce off some people. |
| 21:47.33 | micjwelch | We were wondering about the idea of bootable pc games. |
| 21:48.17 | micjwelch | Boy, you guys are quiet... |
| 21:51.29 | Zelut | told you |
| 21:52.55 | micjwelch | told who what? |
| 21:52.55 | micjwelch | Am I missing something, or am I the only one really talking here? |
| 21:52.56 | Zelut | some afternoons are a little quiet with people at work |
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| 21:53.41 | Zelut | some days we can't shut linuxalien up ;) |
| 21:55.32 | linuxalien | hahaha Yeah - My nickname is mouth! |
| 21:55.37 | micjwelch | lol |
| 21:55.56 | micjwelch | You know much about linux gaming? |
| 21:56.15 | synic | micjwelch: gentoo did it with amarica's army |
| 21:56.33 | linuxalien | I used to use Transgaming and play games in linux |
| 21:56.46 | synic | micjwelch: you just booted from a CD and it went right into the game. |
| 21:56.48 | micjwelch | I'm just starting to get into it. |
| 21:56.50 | synic | it was pretty awesome. |
| 21:57.04 | micjwelch | That's what I'm wondering if we can do more - booting from the game cd. |
| 21:57.18 | synic | I bet you can. It loaded the nividia drivers and all that for you |
| 21:57.24 | synic | er... nvidia |
| 21:58.14 | Zelut | the only problem I have with that is choppiness or responsiveness loading the OS & game on a liveCD |
| 21:59.17 | linuxalien | Yeah - hard drive is the way to go |
| 21:59.38 | Zelut | bootable USB drive with Linux & games would be the best solution |
| 21:59.43 | micjwelch | Well, the advantage to a console is that the os is so minimal it hardly takes your resources. |
| 22:00.09 | micjwelch | XP takes 256 megs of ram just to run, Vista takes a gig. |
| 22:00.31 | linuxalien | Wow |
| 22:01.34 | micjwelch | A bootable usb drive would work well though. |
| 22:02.17 | micjwelch | But getting people to use it might be a bit harder. |
| 22:13.03 | [Utah]tristanbob | micjwelch: you are thinking about an OS and game together? |
| 22:13.49 | [Utah]tristanbob | micjwelch: here is a game distro... http://wolvix.org/node/24 |
| 22:13.53 | [Utah]tristanbob | Wolvix Games Edition |
| 22:18.21 | [Utah]tristanbob | I guess I'm the one talking to himself now |
| 22:18.44 | micjwelch | What I'm thinking is turning your pc into a console. |
| 22:18.54 | [Utah]tristanbob | ahhh |
| 22:20.34 | linuxalien | PC games rock |
| 22:20.54 | micjwelch | But like I said, a lot of your resources get eaten up by your os. |
| 22:21.21 | linuxalien | Yeah |
| 22:23.24 | micjwelch | How far could you strip down linux and still be able to run a game on it? |
| 22:24.39 | Zelut | man that'd really depend on the game dependencies |
| 22:24.49 | Zelut | you can put linux on a cell phone.. or run Damn Small Linux on a 50M business card CD, but that is pretty stripped down |
| 22:25.11 | Zelut | if you're getting into video drivers, hardware support, etc.. I'm sure its feasible. Might be a question for MythBusters |
| 22:25.37 | linuxalien | bbl |
| 22:27.44 | [Utah]tristanbob | wolvix is pretty small - I think it is slackware based |
| 22:27.53 | [Utah]tristanbob | here are some other game distros |
| 22:28.01 | [Utah]tristanbob | http://www.cheeplinux.com/product_info.php?products_id=389 |
| 22:28.11 | [Utah]tristanbob | Knoppix Games (website appears to be down) |
| 22:28.36 | [Utah]tristanbob | and SuperGamer-1, which looks very nice |
| 22:28.43 | [Utah]tristanbob | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/6136 |
| 22:30.30 | [Utah]tristanbob | perhaps this is what you are looking for |
| 22:30.39 | [Utah]tristanbob | micjwelch: rpath http://www.rpath.com/corp/ |
| 22:31.30 | [Utah]tristanbob | "Easily tailored to any application requirements |
| 22:31.30 | [Utah]tristanbob | Built using our Conary packaging technology, rPath Linux provides a more granular breakdown of system components than typical Linux environments. This allows you to select only the pieces you need to support your application." |
| 22:33.31 | micjwelch | Yeah, that sounds like about what I'm thinking. |
| 22:37.34 | micjwelch | Software appliance... |
| 22:37.39 | micjwelch | Haven't really heard of that before. |
| 22:38.37 | [Utah]tristanbob | http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder/help?page=dev-tutorial |
| 22:38.48 | [Utah]tristanbob | it runs in a virtual machine (vmware, xen) |
| 22:38.55 | [Utah]tristanbob | but I think you can also make installable CDs |
| 22:43.57 | micjwelch | It looks like a few people have done similiar (while not entirely the same) things on rBuilder |
| 22:59.44 | micjwelch | You guys said you've had a lot of performance issues running off of a cd though. |
| 23:00.34 | Zelut | well depending on the hardware its a real issue. Trying to load the OS & game into memory.. unless you've got 1G that is a lot to keep in RAM |
| 23:01.10 | micjwelch | Anybody know how the consoles keep up? |
| 23:02.05 | Zelut | console games I'm sure have a native OS that loads & then recognizes the games so they're only loading half of what you're asking to load. |
| 23:03.02 | micjwelch | So the real question comes back to how small the os can be. |
| 23:03.35 | Zelut | and the answer, from what I gather, will depend on the dependencies of the game |
| 23:07.44 | micjwelch | In any case, my question has been answered. It is quite possible. |
| 23:09.54 | micjwelch | I'd just have to look in to how practical it would be. |
| 23:10.09 | Zelut | yeah.. never know until you try |
| 23:16.17 | micjwelch | My other question is if anyone here is interested in having a linux gamers group. |
| 23:19.22 | micjwelch | Try to contain your enthusiasm. |
| 23:19.25 | Zelut | I don't game much.. and I'm too busy keep these folks in line most of the day ;) |
| 23:22.42 | micjwelch | lol |
| 23:23.06 | micjwelch | Somebody's gotta do it right? |
| 23:28.50 | micjwelch | Who keeps them awake though? |
| 23:33.07 | Zelut | that's something I'm working on |
| 23:35.45 | micjwelch | Has anybody here ever done any video editing in open source software? |
| 23:37.08 | Zelut | a little.. not much |
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| 23:37.50 | micjwelch | What programs would be the best to try out? |
| 23:38.15 | Zelut | I think I mainly fiddled with Kino.. |
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