| 00:01.05 | jsmidt | what do you mean luck? If you want to know if Debian testing is any good I will say it is very good. It takes a few weeks for stuff to get from unstable to testing, but it usually is in testing before it is in the next Ubuntu stable. |
| 00:01.23 | maquis | jsmidt: doesn't ubuntu have something like testing or unstable? |
| 00:02.33 | jsmidt | Only edgy now, in the future there is talk to have "grumpy groundhog", this will be like Debian unstable if it actually happens. |
| 00:02.34 | maquis | the issue is, i don't want to have to wait 6 months to be able to upgrade a package on my system. when the update is available, i just want to be able to do aptitude update <foobar>, and have it give me the most recent version |
| 00:03.27 | maquis | <-- used to freebsd and gentoo and being able to update a package whenever |
| 00:03.41 | jsmidt | Then you might want to try Unstable or testing. However, sometimes you think you want a package right away, and the learn the hard way why it takes time to stabilize a distro. |
| 00:03.54 | maquis | jsmidt: but they don't have that in ubuntu? |
| 00:04.16 | maquis | jsmidt: trust me, i've seen those moments, but i've also had some really good experiences by doing the immediate update |
| 00:04.39 | maquis | i'm guessing part of the difference though, is that in a binary distro, it's more important? |
| 00:04.50 | jsmidt | not until grumpy groudhog comes out. If you are really good with linux and can fix bad updates the you will probably love unstable |
| 00:05.40 | jsmidt | Unstable is probably as stable as Edgy Beta. If that is stable enough for you then you might like it. |
| 00:06.52 | jsmidt | One other thing to consider, Debian is more demanding software is free. Sometimes Ubuntu's "just Works" philosophy does things that aren't free enough for Debian so some things don't just work. |
| 00:07.54 | jsmidt | Example, my wirless 3945 driver isn't allowed in Debian yet since it has some aspect which isn't free enough. With Ubuntu they don't care so intel 3945 drivers are supported out of the box. |
| 00:14.13 | jsmidt | maquis, Ubuntu does have a million unofficial repos. The nice thing about these is you can run a stable Ubuntu system yet get an update from an unofficial repo. Here are some sites to write down: |
| 00:14.32 | jsmidt | http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper |
| 00:14.42 | jsmidt | http://italy.copybase.ch/blog/lista-repository-sourceslist-ottimizzata-per-ubuntu-kubuntu-linux/ |
| 00:14.51 | jsmidt | http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic |
| 00:15.19 | jsmidt | maquis, these will give lots of unofficial repos |
| 00:33.22 | maquis | jsmidt: thanks a ton |
| 00:33.29 | maquis | sorry.. i'm in and out today |
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| 00:41.51 | linuxalien | You guys behaving? :P |
| 00:48.14 | herlo | no |
| 00:48.44 | Kuyaedz | hi |
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| 01:43.21 | linuxalien | Hi |
| 01:43.26 | linuxalien | Work is busy |
| 01:43.32 | linuxalien | We haven't been this busy in a while. |
| 01:44.24 | jsmidt | linuxalien, what type of work do you do? |
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| 01:45.49 | maquis | howdy linuxalien |
| 01:47.49 | maquis | jsmidt: i don't blame you |
| 01:48.50 | jsmidt | The joys of living in on campus family housing. :) |
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| 01:55.42 | linuxalien | jsmidt, I am customer service at Flying J Communications. I do a bit of tech support too |
| 01:55.46 | linuxalien | hi maquis |
| 01:56.11 | jsmidt | linuxalien, cool, I'm a physics student. |
| 02:00.11 | linuxalien | Right on. My brother might still major in physics up at weber |
| 02:07.06 | linuxalien | i'm in the Ogden Astronomical Society |
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| 02:20.51 | jsmidt | Kuyaedz, here is a post for your breezy cd problem. : ) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=273193 |
| 02:22.08 | Kuyaedz | what am I looking for here? |
| 02:22.57 | Kuyaedz | sorry, a little distracted doing a hundred things |
| 02:23.11 | jsmidt | It wasn't anything big, just someone who said you could get an install of edgy through the breezy cds |
| 02:26.45 | Kuyaedz | Yeah, I thought about including some notes with instructions for updating but that might confuse most newbies |
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| 03:57.49 | linuxalien | bbl |
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| 09:48.34 | Dapper606 | Why are a wise man and a wise guy opposites? |
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| 15:39.36 | Dapper606 | Gesh people. Talk allready! |
| 15:41.10 | Sir_Brizz | no |
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| 18:11.43 | *** topic/#ubuntu-utah by Kuyaedz -> Team Meeting: October 14 - CANCELLED. Edgy Release Party: October 28 - TBA |
| 18:35.12 | Kuyaedz | ~ping |
| 18:35.20 | jbot | pong |
| 20:56.29 | atoponce | ~spell thought |
| 20:56.43 | atoponce | it doesn't look like it is |
| 21:11.21 | Kuyaedz | looks right to me |