IRC log for #ubuntu-us-ut on 20090421

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04:58.36mheathIs anyone aware of any hardware support database or list for Ubuntu that lists by USB or PCI VID and PID?
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05:02.19Gatemheath: google
05:03.31mheathGate: I'm well aware of that. I mean a concise list that says if its supported directly in Ubuntu or if not, or if theres any workarounds. If you do a general google search, you'll get dozens of outdated old, unrelated results.
05:03.37Gateconundrum: I know my roommate is wrong. I can provide evidence. He shows signs of religious fervor and potential brainwashing for his point of view. Do I present the evidence?
05:04.07Gatemheath: There was a kernel driver project looking for anything that *wasn't* supported. You might look there.
05:05.01GateI am trying to remember the project name
05:05.49Gatego figure. Linux Driver Project
05:05.50Gatehttp://www.linuxdriverproject.org/twiki/bin/view
05:08.50mheathMy problem with all these lsits, I guess, is that they get so obsolete so fast.
05:09.15mheathNo one ever comes back to update after the inital report of "doesn't work" on some random device from 4 years ago.
05:14.05Gatemheath: by the time someone has posted it, its obsolete
05:14.23Gatebut by the nature of Linux support for hardware rarely vanishes, I understand
05:14.42GateI think 2.4->2.6 lost some 386 era support, other than that, once they are in they are in.
05:15.08Gateherlo: are you conscious?
05:15.18mheathGate: well, I know it doesn't vanish - I'm mainly concerned about updates to ADDED hardware support.
05:15.36Gatemaybe kernel repo checkins?
05:15.45Gatethrows up a little
05:15.48mheathI can figure out hardware issues myself OK; what I wish I had was a site where I could send new Linux users for fairly concise info on if their hardawre is supported or not.
05:16.14mheathThe main reason I was hoping for a site that uses VID and PID codes is that one could then even design a compatability check tool that could run on Windows
05:16.15Gateusually I search the Ubuntu forums for someone with their model
05:16.33mheathSame idea as the Windows Vista Upgrade Advisor, kind of.
05:16.44Gatethrows up a little again
05:17.02Gatedude. this conversation is wearing a hole in my esophagus.
05:17.50mheath...The idea of a free tool that tells a new Linux user what hardware is compatible and what is not before they install Linux makes you throw up?
05:18.10Gateno, the idea of a windows vista upgrade advisor
05:18.56mheathIts not a bad tool, though a bit out of date now.
05:18.56GateI gave Vista the middle finger the week after release and I have stubbornly refused to knowledge it's existence (at least for my purposes)
05:19.00herloGate: hi
05:19.04Gatehi herlo!
05:19.10herlowhat are you needing sir?
05:19.36GateWell, I had a feeling you would be knowledgeable to answer.
05:19.58GateI want to exploit my father's paranoia to get him on something like GPG.
05:20.05herlok
05:20.32GateBut, I want something fairly straightforward so he can easily encrypt messages to/from numerous people
05:21.05Gatein other words, he keeps getting pissed at gmail for keyword parsing the emails he sends to all his children every day
05:21.18GateShort of installing my own mailserver, any suggestions?
05:22.09mheathGate: is he using Windows or Linux?
05:22.12GateI am hunting (futilely) for my GPG key
05:22.16GateWindows
05:22.39Gateor VAX VMS / Solaris depending on the day. :) mostly Windows
05:22.58herloGate: uh, there's fireGPG it works with gmail
05:23.27mheathSo, wait...you're wanting to encrypt all messages so Gmail, etc. can't access / parse the message?
05:23.59mheathI'm confused how just GPG signing would stop Gmail from looking at hte messages.
05:25.40Gateooooh, firefox plugin
05:26.01GateI was under the impression that GPG could be used for full message encryption.
05:26.23Gateyep, looks like it
05:26.26mheathGate: yes, of course...but that has the downside that every recipient he ever sends an email to has to support GPG too.
05:26.30GateI am just going to have to generate a new GPG key
05:26.52Gateheh, well, I maintain most of their computers.
05:27.14GateNot difficult when I can do it myself.
05:27.34mheathGate: if you can talk him into a solution like Thunerbird + enigmail, that may work a little better..
05:27.42mheathYou can set per-recipient signing and encryption rules.
05:28.17Gatehm
05:28.38herlomheath: well, they only have to import *his* key at least
05:28.47mheathWell, yes.
05:28.58herlomheath: firegpg is as simple as enigmail, I've used both
05:29.07mheathStill, it seems awkard to try to lock someone who's never used GPG before into by default encrypting messages
05:29.07herlos/used/use/
05:29.18mheathherlo: fair enough; I never had.
05:29.22herlomheath: gpg isn't required
05:29.39herloit's only if he *wishes* to encrypt the email
05:29.42herlo'nuff said
05:30.37mheathherlo: well, I thought gate's stated problem was he was tired of gmail keyword parsing his emails. For this to be a relistc solution to that proble, all email would have to be encrypted.
05:31.17mheathshrugs
05:31.17herloor not use gmail
05:32.15mheathPardon my sloppy typing. I'm still getting used to typing on this small netbook keyboard and I'm still missing some keys.
05:34.42Gatewell, dropping gmail is a last resort, he has had problems with all his moving accounts (he was using his ISPs until a few months ago)
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16:15.57Technovikingin irssi, how do I switch to the e channel in gnome-terminal, since alt-e in is bound to the edit menu.
16:17.45ZelutTechnoviking: the e channel?
16:18.07herloTechnoviking: <esc>e
16:18.12herlonot together either
16:18.22herlo<esc> then e :)
16:18.43herloZelut: what he means is window 13 :)
16:19.19Zelutahhhh
16:19.49Zelutwindows if his 80 window plugin is still active.
16:20.04herlonice
16:21.07herlothinks the <esc>-<key> procession is easier since it only requires less reaching to the keys on the bottom row
16:25.17Technovikingthanks
16:26.22TechnovikingFirst package to Universe equals fail, licencing issues:(
16:28.33Zelutaww snap
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16:32.50TechnovikingZelut: need to be a ^@#@&#@ lawyer to understand the grundle on open source licenses:)
16:33.05ZelutTechnoviking: what was your package and what was the licencing issue?
16:41.42TechnovikingZelut: mail-notification with SSL enabled, apparently their is a GPL issue with libssl. mail-notification needs to be re-written to use openssl-compat
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18:50.13TechnovikingDid we get enough vote for the release party?
20:14.31eightyeighti think so
20:14.39eightyeighti'm running with it anyway
20:30.00mheathWhere's it going to be at?
20:30.19eightyeightgourmandie's bakery. 3s 3e slc
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20:39.02eightyeightHeartsbane: where have you been?
20:39.39penothe internet swallowed him
20:39.39Heartsbaneum..... lost in the ether... I think
20:39.58eightyeightyou mean you didn't take the red pill?
20:40.54Zelutmy brother just emailed me two machines to help pick from regarding buying a laptop for college.
20:41.16Zeluta Dell D630 with XP SP2 or a Macbook. Man I should be a Macbook salesman.
20:41.57HeartsbaneNo I didn't take the red pill... there is no spoon ... there is no spoon
20:42.06eightyeighthah
20:42.32Heartsbanemaybe I should switch to be a communistcast customer
20:42.35eightyeightZelut: either way, he's paying a tax. tell him to get a system76
20:43.12Zeluteightyeight: he's been indoctrinated with MS Office from his "business" classes. I think Linux would be a stretch.
20:43.28Heartsbaneteach him how to use KVM
20:43.36Heartsbaneand run it in a VM
20:44.10eightyeightZelut: nah. isn't that what OOo, abiword, koffice, and all the other suites are for? teach him the zen of plain text
20:44.19ZelutI'll just be happy if he buys a mac over windblows.
20:44.57HeartsbaneIt is okay we understand if you don't like your brother
20:45.54penomac is just as dirty
20:47.21Zelutpeno: no way. just as non-free on the UI, yes, but it actually comes with usable tools ootb.
20:47.46Zelutwindows does nothing more than notepad, IE and minesweeper
20:47.47penoexcept if it's a mighty mouse.
20:48.04Zelut*everything* that people use on windows doesn't actually come with windows
20:48.21HeartsbaneHey isn't Moviemaker the greatest thing EVER!
20:48.24penoit all comes with my internet subscription
20:48.32ZelutHeartsbane: EVAR!
20:52.04eightyeightZelut: last time i purchased a computer with windows, it had all sorts of preloaded software on it that i could use
20:52.16eightyeightso much, in fact, i was reminded of it every time i logged in. :)
20:52.23eightyeightoh, and it only lasted 30 days
20:52.35Heartsbaneisn't it all free with your interweb subscription
20:52.59peno14:48 < peno> it all comes with my internet subscription
20:53.01peno^^^^^
20:53.24HeartsbaneINTERWEB!
20:53.41Zelutright. he doesn't need any of that shit either. i vote mac.
20:54.49HeartsbaneWell that is democracy, way to vote the Steve Jobs party line
20:56.56Heartsbanesarcasm is like jello for the soul
20:57.56YorokobiThere's always room for Jell-O
20:58.02Zeluthmm jello sounds good with my sore throat
20:58.14penoI loathe jello
20:58.16ZelutYorokobi: I believe the appropriate term is "there is always room for Red Onion"
20:58.28YorokobiMeh
20:58.40Zeluthas never eaten there. I don't hear good things.
20:58.50YorokobiIt is a place of last resort
21:01.20Zelutohh great. Rob is on a JIRA rampage again
21:04.59eightyeightwhat's jira?
21:05.32HeartsbaneI think it a Java based Income Retirement Account
21:05.58Heartsbaneof course I am still being sarcastic
21:07.47YorokobiJIRA is when work spills over into not-work.
21:11.36eightyeightahh
21:11.38eightyeightone of those
21:12.23YorokobiYeah, in other words, Zelut needs to to stop checking his work email and/or sign out of the VPN.
21:14.21eightyeightZelut: quit working. go to bed. hack.
22:13.33|phoenyx|so, is zsh better than bash?  better enough to switch?
22:13.53eightyeightit has some sweet improvements
22:14.03eightyeightlike tab-completion, for example
22:14.22eightyeightfloating point math and associative arrays also
22:14.42eightyeightsweet documentation, improved prompt support
22:16.11eightyeighti can't put my finger on it, but bash has always seemed bloated. zsh has a larger feature set, and it's more customizable, yet i haven't noticed the bloat feeling with it
22:16.25eightyeightbut, having a "feeling" really doesn't make for a sound argument
22:17.02Heartsbanee.g.
22:18.42eightyeightit might not feel bloated to someone else
22:18.54ZelutI've considered it, but I find I spend a large amount of time on other machines using bash so I'd be back and forth all the time.
22:19.37eightyeightall my servers at work use bash as the default shell. i figure for the day-to-day at work, i'm not using the zsh feature set. at home, i am
22:20.04eightyeightso, it doesn't bother me that i have zsh as my default shell on my laptop, and bash on every server
22:20.25eightyeightthe commands are still the same. tab-completion still works. the emacs key binding behave the same
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