| 00:00.23 | eightyeight | s/pv/pe/ |
| 00:00.38 | eightyeight | physical extents, that is |
| 00:01.30 | Zelut | i wouldn't need to do all of this if I could just get this freaking game working with wine. |
| 00:01.33 | eightyeight | wait. i'm get you now. you're using lvm, and you're hoping xp will go down on the free space? |
| 00:01.52 | eightyeight | ain't happening if it's not physically partitioned |
| 00:01.59 | Zelut | eightyeight: right. i need to unallocate from the LVM to bare-bones free space and put XP on that. |
| 00:02.20 | Zelut | eightyeight: right. i'd need to shrink the LVM from the top all the way to the bottom, resize the partition and go there. |
| 00:02.25 | Zelut | probably much more trouble than its worth. |
| 00:02.39 | Zelut | bbiab - dinner |
| 00:02.46 | eightyeight | just do a vm, if the game doesn't require extensive graphics |
| 00:02.58 | Zelut | eightyeight: its a graphics game.. and i already tried that. |
| 00:03.29 | eightyeight | you'll have to backup your data, physically partition the drive in two, put lvm in one partition, then xp in the other |
| 00:03.49 | eightyeight | or, put xp on another drive |
| 00:04.15 | herlo | eightyeight: unless he's doing a vm of xp |
| 00:04.28 | herlo | oh, nm |
| 00:04.30 | eightyeight | herlo: which he said he already tried that |
| 00:04.31 | eightyeight | yeah. :) |
| 00:04.39 | herlo | was still reading |
| 00:04.40 | herlo | :( |
| 00:05.48 | eightyeight | so, i noticed in fedora 11 beta that firefox 3.1, thunderbird 3.0, ande ex4 are all default |
| 00:07.41 | eightyeight | i also noticed that system-config-selinux is changing |
| 00:07.41 | eightyeight | although, i thought the new kvm goodness and virt tools were to be there in prep for rhel 5.4. i didn't see anything ground breaking though |
| 00:07.59 | herlo | eightyeight: have you played with virsh? |
| 00:08.07 | eightyeight | nay |
| 00:09.14 | herlo | eightyeight: it's a big improvement over F10 |
| 00:09.30 | herlo | plus kvm and libvirt have many improvements |
| 00:09.32 | herlo | let me find the page |
| 00:09.49 | eightyeight | but it's still using virt-manager, which hasn't changed |
| 00:10.16 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/FeatureList |
| 00:10.29 | eightyeight | i thought the client utilities would be on par with vmware or virtual iron. at least that was the impression i got out of the press release |
| 00:10.37 | herlo | virt-manager is more integrated for kvm/xen functionality in RHEL6 |
| 00:11.58 | eightyeight | virt-manager is still lacking. if rh wants to compete in the virt world, they need a much better virtual center for controlling guests |
| 00:15.12 | eightyeight | for example, i should be able to setup a virtual datacenter, put all my virtual guests down, kvm or xen, and manage all of them, regardless of hardware, from a single point of entry |
| 00:15.35 | eightyeight | i was hoping to find this behavior in f11 |
| 00:15.47 | herlo | eightyeight: have you seen ovirt? |
| 00:15.56 | herlo | http://ovirt.org/ |
| 00:15.56 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 00:16.01 | herlo | that's where their going |
| 00:16.33 | eightyeight | they're |
| 00:16.40 | herlo | yes |
| 00:16.46 | eightyeight | :) |
| 00:16.46 | herlo | is failing at his grammar |
| 00:16.52 | herlo | ~lart grammar |
| 00:16.52 | infobot | tries to shut grammar up |
| 00:16.57 | herlo | fail |
| 00:17.25 | eightyeight | i should take a closer look at ovirt. i didn't think it was ready |
| 00:17.35 | herlo | it's really close |
| 00:17.37 | eightyeight | it might meet our virt needs at the va |
| 00:17.58 | herlo | there used to be the genome project, but they've all but abandoned it to go to ovirt and spacewalk |
| 00:18.26 | eightyeight | spacewailk is great, if you're running fedora or centos, which we're not. :) |
| 00:19.09 | herlo | eightyeight: even still |
| 00:19.13 | herlo | but it runs oracle |
| 00:19.26 | herlo | they're porting postgresql to it, but it's not close yet |
| 00:19.54 | herlo | eightyeight: cobbler can do much more than install rh and fedora, plus it's part of the integration with spacewalk |
| 00:20.24 | herlo | and obviously, it's python so it can be ported anywhere. The only real requirement now is to get the oses you want to install to import... |
| 00:23.32 | eightyeight | heads off to his brother's birthday party |
| 00:25.41 | herlo | fun |
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| 01:23.22 | herlo | eightyeight: forgot this, but here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtImprovedConsole |
| 01:23.34 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_PCI_Device_Assignment |
| 01:23.48 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KVM_and_QEMU_merge |
| 01:24.01 | herlo | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtVNCAuth |
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| 03:18.30 | eightyeight | herlo: yeah. i've seen all that. imo, they're finally catching up to where vmware and virtual pc were 10 years ago |
| 03:18.45 | eightyeight | ovirt is more the interesting product |
| 03:26.05 | herlo | could be |
| 03:26.16 | herlo | I kind of agree and disagree with you |
| 03:26.21 | herlo | I don't think vmware is *all* that |
| 03:27.00 | herlo | it has lots of issues, and problems. Performance is horrible on certain OSes, but it's got a nice gui interface. That seems to make people happy for the most part. |
| 03:27.26 | herlo | I think libvirt is much better and with a bit more maturity, will be a great improvement over vmware or others... |
| 03:40.48 | eightyeight | don't get me wrong. i'm not rooting for vmware, but qemu and the console aren't exactly up to par. even compared to virtual box |
| 03:41.04 | eightyeight | in my testing, qemu is a horrible performer |
| 03:42.02 | eightyeight | and the console integration is lacking in many aspects |
| 03:48.18 | carmony | I'm a fan of VirtualBox personally |
| 03:51.49 | eightyeight | i like virtual box, although its documentation is lacking, and the gui interface could use some attention to detail |
| 04:01.32 | Heartsbane | QUITTER |
| 04:08.17 | herlo | qemu is much better now, I've not seen that many issues with it performance-wise... |
| 04:08.35 | eightyeight | in all fairness, i haven't tested it for probably 18 months |
| 04:09.41 | herlo | the console integration is much much better, virsh rules |
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| 15:17.23 | Zelut | Technoviking: I wonder how well sarcasm comes across in identi.ca :) |
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| 17:27.14 | Technoviking | Zelut: not well |
| 17:34.44 | Claudius | not well? |
| 17:34.50 | Claudius | that don't sound good |
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| 17:47.56 | eightyeight | Claudius: re: a conversation before you joined which has nothing to do with health |
| 17:53.52 | Claudius | hehehe |
| 17:54.00 | Claudius | how was meeting on Saturday? |
| 17:57.40 | eightyeight | on the 11th? dunno. couldn't make it due to a funeral |
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| 19:51.31 | Technoviking | gpg fail today, crap on a stick |
| 19:55.51 | mheath | eh? |
| 19:56.37 | Technoviking | mheath: lost a usb stick with my gpg key on it |
| 19:56.49 | Technoviking | had to revoke and create new |
| 19:57.02 | mheath | that sucks |
| 19:57.20 | mheath | I accidentally revoked my key :( |
| 19:57.28 | mheath | Had the .rev stored on a USB key |
| 19:57.54 | mheath | double clicked on the wrong file (I meant to import a key in the same directory), and discovered nautilius's default action for a .rev is to use it to revoke. |
| 19:58.20 | Technoviking | mheath: ouch |
| 20:55.47 | Gate | mheath: OW! |
| 21:38.08 | mheath | http://loose-bits.blogspot.com/2009/04/introducing-ulrp-userland-restore-point.html Any comments would be appreciated, at least to the details I go into on that post. |
| 21:47.33 | mheath | I'm using the first two tools now on two of my systems, and they seem to be working really well for me. |
| 21:47.57 | mheath | The UnionFS overhead for ULRP is pretty much negligible. |
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