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| 19:01.59 | Heartsbane | there enjoy |
| 19:02.10 | eightyeight | w00t |
| 19:02.17 | eightyeight | Heartsbane: where'd he go? |
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| 19:04.14 | thenetduck | bah humbug |
| 19:04.38 | eightyeight | ~dict extrapolate |
| 19:04.51 | eightyeight | thenetduck: there you go. :) |
| 19:05.03 | thenetduck | your my herlo |
| 19:05.09 | thenetduck | i mean hero |
| 19:05.27 | eightyeight | i don't know if that's an insult or a compliment. :) |
| 19:05.31 | Zerb_Riss | lol |
| 19:05.36 | thenetduck | hehe |
| 19:07.09 | thenetduck | ~dict sterling |
| 19:07.10 | thenetduck | doh |
| 19:07.19 | thenetduck | hehe |
| 19:07.37 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: when he gets restarted he doesn't join the channel by default |
| 19:07.57 | eightyeight | we have to keep bugging tim to get him here? |
| 19:08.21 | Heartsbane | I will fix it, I been meaning to get a chess game with tim anyway |
| 19:08.56 | Heartsbane | anyway peasch I will be back later |
| 19:08.57 | eightyeight | i should resurrect utahbot. problem is, he isn't very useful |
| 19:09.36 | Heartsbane | you could use the code of the tim's bot it was based on Jeff Waugh's bot on freshmeat |
| 19:09.49 | eightyeight | ~wtf mtbf |
| 19:10.01 | eightyeight | Heartsbane: yeah. i just need to find time |
| 19:17.10 | Heartsbane | eightyeight: oh you must have that triple play too... |
| 19:18.21 | eightyeight | yeah. it sucks |
| 19:18.48 | eightyeight | only 1 of the 3 is the most demanding, and it's not the kid... |
| 19:20.43 | herlo | lol thenetduck |
| 19:24.21 | thenetduck | herlo urug is sweet |
| 20:05.19 | herlo | enjoy |
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| 21:46.13 | thenetduck | dude urug is really active :) muy bien |
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| 22:08.15 | mheath | Does anyone have some suggestions for a good Itunes replacement for Ipod syncing? (Assuming the music is all mp3 or some other supported format). |
| 22:08.21 | Zerb_Riss | Songbird |
| 22:08.33 | mheath | I'm aware of a few, but thought I'd ask for personal preferences |
| 22:08.34 | Heartsbane | banshee |
| 22:09.00 | mheath | Heartsbane, banshee does itunes sync? |
| 22:09.15 | mheath | I totally wasn't aware of that. Granted, I guess I didn't have an Ipod the alst time I tried it :P |
| 22:09.43 | Heartsbane | I think so, doesn't the ipod use MTP? |
| 22:09.50 | synic | no, it doesn't |
| 22:09.56 | Heartsbane | oh then no |
| 22:10.19 | synic | ... but, banshee does support the ipod, and I think it does syncing, but I could just be talking out of my ass. |
| 22:11.35 | mheath | I'll look at Songbird, too. I've never even seen that. |
| 22:11.35 | mheath | Zerb_Riss, what do you like about it? |
| 22:11.35 | eightyeight | songbird is xul bloat at its finest |
| 22:11.36 | Zerb_Riss | it's a little fat |
| 22:11.40 | Zerb_Riss | :) |
| 22:12.13 | mheath | I like simple and functional. |
| 22:12.20 | eightyeight | heh. if you mean a "little" as in, "your mama is so fat, her waist line is larger in diameter than the equator" |
| 22:12.25 | mheath | Well organized, easy to use, powerful, but not bloated :) |
| 22:12.30 | Zerb_Riss | lol it's not that fat |
| 22:12.39 | Zerb_Riss | the only reason it's really fat is that they included "firefox" in there |
| 22:12.51 | Zerb_Riss | which is both annoying and nice |
| 22:12.58 | eightyeight | and every possible plugin known to man |
| 22:13.02 | mheath | Um, hold on. |
| 22:13.09 | mheath | looked at the songbird website |
| 22:13.11 | Zerb_Riss | well you don't have to install plugins if you don't use them |
| 22:13.25 | mheath | Let me reprhase my question about an itunes replacement |
| 22:13.37 | eightyeight | they make that optional now? last i installed it, it came with everything and the kitchen sink |
| 22:13.51 | mheath | I want the best possible linux program that can sync my mp3's to an ipod; I do not want something that strives to look just like itunes to annoying proportions |
| 22:13.52 | Zerb_Riss | heh |
| 22:14.00 | mheath | I actually hate when programs do that in linux |
| 22:14.09 | Zerb_Riss | wat? Songbird doesn't really look like iTunes, imo |
| 22:14.20 | eightyeight | no. that's for sure |
| 22:14.49 | mheath | http://getsongbird.com/images/screenshots/100/songbird-fullsize.jpg <-- Is that not a representative screenshot? |
| 22:15.07 | Zerb_Riss | yeah but that doesn't really look like i |
| 22:15.10 | Zerb_Riss | iTunes |
| 22:15.19 | Zerb_Riss | unless you mean iTunes is a layout of windows as opposed to a look |
| 22:15.23 | Zerb_Riss | layout of views* |
| 22:15.26 | mheath | I think what got me the most was the bottom left of the window. |
| 22:15.32 | mheath | The next/previous/play buttons and volume control |
| 22:15.41 | mheath | Looks almost idnetically like the top LEFT of itunes |
| 22:15.43 | Zerb_Riss | ah |
| 22:15.48 | mheath | THe button styles are all the same... |
| 22:15.51 | eightyeight | they're on top by default |
| 22:15.55 | eightyeight | and that theme isn't default |
| 22:15.55 | Zerb_Riss | not anymore |
| 22:16.08 | mheath | The sidebar is categorized and organized exactly the same as itunes. |
| 22:16.12 | Zerb_Riss | that is the new default theme |
| 22:16.22 | eightyeight | ahh. cool. they've lightened it up some |
| 22:16.29 | Zerb_Riss | yeah it looks better |
| 22:16.30 | eightyeight | http://www.songbirdnest.com/files/images/songbird_screenshot_0.jpg |
| 22:16.34 | eightyeight | i'm used to that |
| 22:16.52 | Zerb_Riss | yeah |
| 22:17.04 | mheath | IT just really seems rediculously itunes-like to me. But, never-the-less |
| 22:17.04 | Zerb_Riss | I mean it doesn't have to look any one way |
| 22:17.11 | Zerb_Riss | it's using XULrunner, it's fully themeable |
| 22:17.31 | eightyeight | what does looking like another program have anything to do with it's functionality? |
| 22:17.38 | mheath | Is there a program that uses GTK and follows gnome desktop standard styles that can sync an ipod? |
| 22:17.58 | thenetduck | Dude .... Amarok sync to iPod really nice :) |
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| 22:18.10 | thenetduck | banshee will too but you have to reformat your iPod |
| 22:18.15 | mheath | eightyeight, I like gnome and gtk for a reason, and like that most programs for gnome and gtk follow a consistent look and feel and can be themed powerfully but consistenty |
| 22:18.40 | eightyeight | mheath: will you limit yourself to just those programs? what if one doesn't exist? |
| 22:18.51 | thenetduck | what gen? |
| 22:18.54 | mheath | eightyeight, No, I don't limit myself by any means, I just prefer. |
| 22:19.17 | mheath | thenetduck, Its the next-to-latest nano. I forget what generation number that is |
| 22:19.23 | mheath | The squarer-shaped nano's. |
| 22:20.32 | thenetduck | i'll ask my bro, he was having problems with that gen too. You might have to wait a while for it to be supported... |
| 22:21.10 | mheath | eightyeight, I just like that the underlying traditional organization of a GTK program tends to be simple, clean, and well organized, and the themeing ontop of it is moderately powerful. I don't like it when program designers force me into one look (or into using their weird theme format) because they like one particular theme. |
| 22:22.07 | mheath | Stuff like xmms, for example, used to drive me up the wall. I am glad that program is long-since obsolete. |
| 22:22.11 | Zerb_Riss | I really don't think Songbird looks like iTunes |
| 22:22.27 | Zerb_Riss | I don't ever use iTunes because I hate it, but I can't find a media view that looks like the default Songbird one |
| 22:22.59 | Zerb_Riss | I've been using Songbird since 0.3 |
| 22:23.12 | mheath | Zerb_Riss, The more I look at it, I guess I agree. Just some of the features that initally catch your eyes seem to look a LOT like itunes. |
| 22:23.37 | Heartsbane | Technoviking: ping |
| 22:23.39 | eightyeight | xmms2 is where it's at |
| 22:23.43 | thenetduck | mheath my bro said he got it working once second |
| 22:23.48 | Zerb_Riss | I like that it's based on xul, it's open source, the developers listen to their community, they have a good progression of goals and nice release schedule, I like the media views and all that junk |
| 22:23.54 | thenetduck | mheath he said it was a permissions issue thats all :) |
| 22:24.04 | Zerb_Riss | there are plenty of extensions, they are committed to reading/parsing/streaming media content from the web |
| 22:24.09 | mheath | thenetduck, I haven't had any issues, I was just asking for recommend clients. Thanks for the advice though. |
| 22:24.25 | thenetduck | mheath lol ....k |
| 22:24.29 | eightyeight | i give songbird crap, because it's fun. it's a good client though. not my first choice, but good |
| 22:24.35 | thenetduck | mheath I thought you couldn't get it working ;) |
| 22:24.46 | Zerb_Riss | well it is xul and there isn't really an end to giving xul crap, imo :) |
| 22:25.12 | mheath | I'm just about to install Ubuntu again... |
| 22:25.26 | eightyeight | heh. http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/wiki/What_XMMS2_will_not_do |
| 22:25.31 | Zerb_Riss | at any rate, Songbird is also cross platform which is nice and it has an iPod Device Support extension |
| 22:25.39 | mheath | Going to go through the hassle of getting Myth configured, because my Vista box's Windows Media Center finally started to annoy me. |
| 22:25.40 | eightyeight | mxxs will not clean your house.... unless you hook it up with your emacs. |
| 22:25.47 | eightyeight | s/mxxs/xmms/ |
| 22:25.48 | Zerb_Riss | lol |
| 22:26.05 | mheath | Or rather, Vista's insistance on auto-updating to Nvidia drivers that broke my entire media center setup that, after days of struggling, I cannot fix. |
| 22:26.48 | mheath | I'm worried about myth though. Lsat time I tried it, I had lots of stability problems on my dual screen setup. |
| 22:27.01 | mheath | It would persistently lock up or freeze, or get way behind the stream. |
| 22:29.32 | mheath | Has anyone tried a dual-screen setup with Myth before? With one minotr dedicated to a normal desktop, the other (a TV) dedicated to Myth? |
| 22:29.52 | mheath | I'm not sure if my problems were a consequence of that setup or some configuration problem. |
| 22:29.56 | Zerb_Riss | nope |
| 22:30.04 | Zerb_Riss | why is Vista trying to auto update your video card drivers? |
| 22:30.10 | Zerb_Riss | drivers are optional updates |
| 22:30.27 | mheath | Zerb_Riss, Not always in Vista. |
| 22:31.03 | Zerb_Riss | I've been using Vista for a couple years and never had it try to force a driver update |
| 22:31.34 | Yorokobi | Zerb_Riss comes out of the closet. He's a Vista user. |
| 22:32.43 | Zerb_Riss | heh |
| 22:32.49 | Zerb_Riss | I'm actually using Windows 7 at home right now |
| 22:33.05 | Zerb_Riss | the only reason I even use Windows is because I'm an avid gamer |
| 22:33.10 | Zerb_Riss | aside from that I hate the POS |
| 22:33.36 | Zerb_Riss | but Windows 7 is a nice step in the right direction from Vista |
| 22:33.40 | eightyeight | hopefully vista or windows 7 is in a vm managed by linux |
| 22:33.52 | mheath | Oh, that reminds me |
| 22:33.52 | eightyeight | i've heard you get better performance for windows gaming that way |
| 22:34.03 | Zerb_Riss | I'd like to see KDE make more steps toward looking nice, more than fancy transparency and more small icons |
| 22:34.09 | eightyeight | (i'm not a gamer) |
| 22:34.18 | mheath | Is anyone aware of an easy method (IE, a tutorial that explains how to do it) of creaing a seamless Vista VM, like the methods avilable for XP? |
| 22:34.25 | Zerb_Riss | who the heck at KDE keeps deciding that 60px by 60px icons are super awesome and should be used whenever possible? |
| 22:34.52 | mheath | Where it uses RDP to connect to the VM, so that applications are displayed as JUST individual applications seamlessly on the Windows desktop? |
| 22:34.52 | eightyeight | virtualbox does seamless window mode. is that what you mean? |
| 22:35.26 | mheath | eightyeight, Hmm, maybe. In a way similar (at least in end result) to what I described? |
| 22:36.02 | Zerb_Riss | how could you get better gaming performance with a virtual machine? |
| 22:36.16 | Zerb_Riss | the problem is that the virtual machines don't work (or barely work) with OpenGL and Direct3D |
| 22:36.23 | eightyeight | i don't have a copy of vista, but virtualbox does it pretty well... |
| 22:36.45 | Zerb_Riss | so wine and it's contemporaries are the only option for going that rout |
| 22:36.47 | eightyeight | Zerb_Riss: i've only heard, so take it with a grain of salt |
| 22:36.55 | Zerb_Riss | it's sad :( |
| 22:37.00 | Zerb_Riss | I wish there was more Linux support out there |
| 22:37.04 | eightyeight | i would imagine it would be vmware ex, or whatever |
| 22:37.41 | mheath | eightyeight, I guess my big question then would be, how seamless is the program startup? With Windows XP and rdp to connect to the VM, you can create a shortcut (in the menu, desktop, wherever) to seamlessly launch the VM and a specified windows program within it from the Linux desktop |
| 22:38.07 | eightyeight | dunno. i don't do seamless with it. heck, i don't even go full screen |
| 22:38.19 | eightyeight | i just know it exists, and i've played with it |
| 22:39.23 | mheath | I've just seen some really nice setups with XP, where Windows programs run seamlessly and flawlessly ontop of the desktop. Though, I suppose theres a huge performance hit as you have the overhead of an entire other OS too. |
| 22:39.49 | eightyeight | you have the windows start and task bar at the bottom too |
| 22:40.04 | eightyeight | so, if using kde or gnome, it will cover your existing panel |
| 22:40.37 | mheath | Ah. See, the method I've seen gets around that. |
| 22:40.51 | mheath | Its just the window, and it behaves for all intents and purposes like a normal desktop window. |
| 22:41.03 | eightyeight | i don't know of that. i've seen it with parallels and virtualbox only, and both had it there at the bottom |
| 22:41.21 | mheath | Minimizes to your Linux task bar and such even. |
| 22:41.39 | eightyeight | yeah. never seen that. not familiar with it then |
| 22:42.32 | mheath | Oh, another question: Is anyone using Netbook Remix? |
| 22:42.41 | eightyeight | nope |
| 22:43.39 | mheath | I've decided to put that on my Dell Mini 9 when I get it. The preinstalled verison of Ubuntu seems to be horrible. |
| 22:43.41 | mheath | 8.04, too. |
| 22:52.43 | synic | meh @ remix. |
| 22:52.51 | synic | vanilla ubuntu ftw |
| 22:55.39 | eightyeight | 8.04 wasn't a polished release. but i never really had many problems with it. no more than usualy anyway |
| 22:56.09 | eightyeight | the misguided blame on pulseaudio, however, is annoying |
| 22:56.29 | Heartsbane | Technoviking: cancel that ping I got it |
| 22:59.25 | mheath | eightyeight, Dell has a few customizations that are the primary reason I dislike their version on the Mini 9 |
| 22:59.44 | mheath | Not crapware by any means, just a different default menu that I dislike |
| 22:59.58 | mheath | And it uses the lpia arch rather than i386, so 90% of the ubuntu archives don't work with it |
| 23:00.05 | mheath | synic, meh? You diliked it? |
| 23:00.24 | mheath | I was excited about it. My netbook has a small screen - I liked the interface customizations to make it efficient to have programs fullscreen all the time. |
| 23:00.37 | synic | yeah, I don't really like having shortcuts like that |
| 23:00.39 | synic | but it's just me |
| 23:00.47 | synic | I think it makes it look like a fisher price machine |
| 23:00.58 | mheath | Heh |
| 23:01.13 | eightyeight | i prefer vanilla. that's why i like debian |
| 23:01.53 | Zerb_Riss | debian doesn't update their repos often enough |
| 23:02.14 | Zerb_Riss | and half the time when they do it's a backport from Ubuntu |
| 23:02.23 | eightyeight | well, lenny is frozen right now, which subsequentially freezes testing and unstable until release |
| 23:02.40 | eightyeight | as everyone is working on smashing rc bugs |
| 23:03.01 | eightyeight | when the release happens, there's a massize surge of updated packages in the repos |
| 23:03.09 | eightyeight | and everything breaks. :) |
| 23:03.34 | eightyeight | but, it can be 100% vanilla if you want. and that's why i love it |
| 23:03.50 | Zerb_Riss | I've never been using it at the time of a release |
| 23:04.10 | Zerb_Riss | I always get frustrated with the age of the packages and go somewhere else |
| 23:04.43 | eightyeight | yeah. you have to stick with it |
| 23:04.56 | eightyeight | before testing freezes, it's more up-to-date than most distros |
| 23:05.09 | eightyeight | it's just when the freeze happens that everything gets out of date |
| 23:07.39 | Zerb_Riss | I don't understand with all these distros why it takes so long to get tings in the repository |
| 23:07.45 | Zerb_Riss | like security updates for PHP/Apache |
| 23:07.50 | Zerb_Riss | take like 18 months to get into the repo |
| 23:13.08 | eightyeight | well, stable gets them in a timely manner, and testing when they can. sid never does |
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