| 00:03.18 | synic | Zelut: you realize that perl is a bastard language, right? |
| 00:03.55 | Zelut | synic: I realize it makes sense to me better than any other language I've studied so far |
| 00:04.12 | synic | uhg, which ones have you studied? |
| 00:04.57 | Zelut | python and ruby |
| 00:05.24 | Zelut | it feels very similar to bash, which I'm very comfortable with. |
| 00:05.59 | synic | well, I guess all I'd recommend is please don't stop there :) |
| 00:06.37 | Zelut | maybe what I learn with perl will make other languages easier. all I know is I have three python books and I can't code crap. |
| 00:06.54 | synic | oh, and also, use strict |
| 00:06.54 | Zelut | studying two perl .pdfs for two days and I can hack stuff together. |
| 00:09.17 | Zelut | I've already hacked together an irssi plugin for use with origami F@H |
| 00:09.53 | synic | it is easy to learn, but the OOP model is horrible, and it's hard to modify existing code |
| 00:10.06 | synic | ... but lots of people like it, especially those in #utah for some reason, hehe. |
| 00:11.13 | Zelut | I don't think I've got to any oop reading yet. All I've seen is mention that it exists. |
| 00:13.43 | Zelut | yeah, seems plug stands for 'perl lovers user group' |
| 00:15.25 | synic | haha |
| 00:16.46 | synic | would you ever want to do programming for a living? |
| 00:18.24 | Zelut | I don't know.. not sure that I've done enough to be able to decide, but I really enjoy what coding I have done. |
| 00:20.01 | Zelut | every bit of code is like a puzzle that needs solving |
| 00:21.14 | synic | yeah, it's like playing zelda |
| 00:21.30 | synic | it can be frusterating as hell, but when you finally get it, it's a great feeling |
| 00:22.07 | Zelut | ohh I remember getting outright pissed when working on origami, but after I beat it there's a big feeling of accomplishment |
| 00:22.25 | synic | yeah there is |
| 00:22.46 | Zelut | almost like you want to just show off a function you wrote because of how creatively it solved the problem. |
| 00:23.23 | synic | hehe, I've posted functions on my blog before |
| 00:23.29 | Zelut | it was also nice when I could go back to older code and cut out huge chunks and replace them much more efficiently. |
| 00:23.32 | synic | not like anyone gives a rats, but hey, whatever. |
| 00:28.32 | Zelut | mainly I just need more projects to work on in order to force myself to apply what I read. |
| 00:28.57 | Zelut | hacking together an irssi plugin was good practice, but unless I actually write and apply nothing is going to stick. |
| 00:29.52 | synic | yeah, that can be the challenge |
| 00:29.57 | synic | figuring out what to write |
| 00:30.06 | synic | I've written several apps just to learn a language. |
| 00:31.44 | Zelut | how do you come up with an idea? |
| 00:32.11 | Zelut | I always feel like if I just write *something* that its already out there and I'm redoing it poorly |
| 00:32.24 | Zelut | and its hard to come up with fresh ideas at the same time. |
| 00:33.43 | synic | I dunno, all of the projects I've written already existed. I just added a twist that other projects didn't have. I still haven't had a killer idea about anything that's new and original, and written that project. All of them have been to learn a language or something similar. |
| 00:35.00 | Zelut | I guess exaile isn't new or original but its unique in ways compared to other players. |
| 00:35.06 | eightyeight | i look at problems i currently need to solve, and just do it. for example, i have a massive dvd collection. it would be nice to have a dvd inventory application, to do rentals, pull stuff from imdb, and other things |
| 00:35.14 | eightyeight | so, python and django to the rescue |
| 00:35.55 | eightyeight | i've also got a backup script in python |
| 00:36.07 | synic | one thing that has always worked out, if slowly: I always pick a project that seems entirely out of my league |
| 00:36.13 | synic | something I have no clue about |
| 00:37.17 | synic | and yeah, at the beginning, I'm like "Wtf", but that zelda accomplishment feeling keeps me going, haha |
| 00:38.08 | Zelut | synic: you should write a CLI version of zelda. that'll give you 'zelda accomplishment' for sure! |
| 00:38.19 | synic | that would be awesome |
| 00:38.39 | Zelut | screw nethack, usher in Zelda! |
| 00:41.03 | Zelut | I really wish there were like a programming video game that advanced difficulty as it went--and not one thats all math |
| 00:41.25 | Zelut | hates all the math in beginner programming books. I want to write a program, not go back to math class! |
| 00:46.39 | Zelut | ..and with that I've offended all the math geeks and shut up the channel. |
| 00:58.36 | tonedevf1 | offended because you don't like math, Zelut? |
| 01:16.24 | eightyeight | i'm not offended. doesn't bother me if you're not interested in solving problems and learning logic |
| 01:17.32 | Zelut | well I'm interested in solving problems, I just learn better in non-math terms |
| 01:18.42 | eightyeight | anyone get the themes tab in their gmail settings? |
| 01:19.11 | Zelut | yep |
| 01:19.53 | eightyeight | i haven't gotten mine yet |
| 01:20.21 | Zelut | mine has ninjas on it! |
| 01:20.53 | Heartsbane | neither have I |
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| 02:51.52 | jbot | ok, Heartsbane |
| 02:52.02 | Claud-SLC | tsk tsk tsk |
| 02:52.07 | Claud-SLC | how's everyone? |
| 02:52.23 | Claud-SLC | learned something today |
| 02:52.39 | Claud-SLC | if yer monitor wont support the resolution.... |
| 02:52.46 | Claud-SLC | it looks like the sytem is hung |
| 02:52.58 | Claud-SLC | no matter what parts you change..... |
| 02:53.05 | Claud-SLC | nuttin fixes it |
| 02:53.08 | Claud-SLC | DOH! |
| 02:55.58 | Heartsbane | What are you rambling about now? |
| 02:57.39 | Claud-SLC | spent 4+ hours swapping parts out on an ubuntu build........ |
| 02:58.07 | Claud-SLC | and the problem ends up being the system was starting x in a video mode the monitor didn't support |
| 02:59.40 | Heartsbane | mumbles something about /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 03:00.26 | Claud-SLC | it was from the ubuntu 7.10, ubuntu 8.10, mythbuntu and a custom build CD |
| 03:00.31 | Claud-SLC | every freakin one of them |
| 05:44.28 | eightyeight | Claud-SLC: what video card and monitor? |
| 05:46.30 | Claud-SLC | hehe geforce 8500 and a cheap samsung 15" LCD |
| 05:48.21 | eightyeight | what resolution is it trying to set? i've only seen that when trying to reconfigure X, and telling it the wrong monitor |
| 06:12.26 | eightyeight | Zelut: you installed selinux on ubuntu, right? |
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| 06:16.01 | eightyeight | oh. i bet i know what it is. selinux doesn't play nice with upstart |
| 06:16.06 | eightyeight | i need sysvinit installed |
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| 06:42.27 | Zelut | eightyeight: this had instructions on it. Don't know how much they've changed for 8.10 - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardySELinux |
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| 15:39.44 | Zelut | is upset he has to use a .chm viewer to read a document. |
| 15:46.33 | Yorokobi | Zelut, you've never encountered .chm before? |
| 15:56.30 | Zelut | not until last nite |
| 15:57.21 | Yorokobi | Wow. |
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| 17:12.18 | eightyeight | so, i finally got my gmail themes. *love* the terminal theme |
| 17:12.39 | eightyeight | had to log out then back in |
| 17:14.56 | synic | I still have no themes. |
| 17:22.24 | Zelut | tried the terminal theme first. then settled on 133t ninjaz |
| 17:23.20 | eightyeight | there need to be code monkeys |
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| 19:10.54 | Technoviking | switch over to 64bit Ubuntu 8.10 to play around with the new flashplayer |
| 19:41.18 | eightyeight | so, selinux in ubuntu is *seriously* broken |
| 20:12.43 | Yorokobi | speaking of, did anybody go to the sllug meeting last night? |
| 20:16.17 | eightyeight | yeah. it was good |
| 20:23.18 | |phoenyx| | is still themeless |
| 20:26.06 | synic | got themes |
| 20:26.12 | synic | now... I'm not sure I like any of them. |
| 20:26.39 | Yorokobi | the terminal theme is aweful |
| 20:26.49 | Yorokobi | s/awe/aw/ |
| 20:38.36 | synic | Zelut: you should write a wireless manager that doesn't suck |
| 20:41.00 | Zelut | synic: unlike the rest of the world I have no problems with network-manager.. |
| 20:41.26 | synic | d'oh |
| 20:41.26 | synic | haha |
| 20:42.19 | Zelut | it has worked as expected on all of my machines since it was added. |
| 20:42.35 | eightyeight | Yorokobi: you don't like the terminal theme, eh? |
| 20:42.45 | Yorokobi | nope |
| 20:42.58 | Yorokobi | I'm with synic, I'm not sure I like any of them |
| 20:43.03 | eightyeight | not a fan of green text on a black background? |
| 20:43.13 | eightyeight | i like the ones without pictures |
| 20:43.18 | eightyeight | except for maybe mountains |
| 20:43.28 | Zelut | I didn't love the terminal theme either.. |
| 20:44.13 | eightyeight | what i said didn't make much sense. i'll rephrase: |
| 20:44.33 | eightyeight | the ones with pictures aren't that great, except for mountains. i generally like the non-image themes |
| 20:46.19 | eightyeight | contrast black and night shade are among the best |
| 20:50.40 | Technoviking | Using Green sky, matches the green theme in Gnome |
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| 21:25.16 | tonedevf1 | so this sshd exploit seems to be after a very old version of sshd, yeah? |
| 21:25.35 | tonedevf1 | anyone seen a good write-up on this yet? |
| 21:29.59 | synic | what? |
| 21:31.28 | Zelut | tonedevf1: which exploit? |
| 21:39.35 | tonedevf | sorry, in a meeting |
| 21:43.45 | tonedevf | we're seeing a lot of ssh scanning. still digging for details |
| 21:52.16 | tonedevf | maybe this is it.. might not really be an exploit proper... |
| 21:52.16 | tonedevf | http://www.securecomputing.net.au/News/111145,bruteforce-ssh-attacks-surge.aspx |
| 21:52.16 | tonedevf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/18/ssh_sniffer_attack/ |
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| 21:55.07 | tonedevf | it's a mad mad mad world http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5380 |
| 21:59.58 | Yorokobi | iptables --limit ftw! |
| 22:18.12 | tonedevf | indeed |
| 22:18.36 | tonedevf | or even Zelut's hosts.deny tutorial for the n00bs |
| 22:19.02 | tonedevf | ...or for the convenience ; ) |
| 22:19.43 | Zelut | tonedevf: denyhosts works well too |
| 22:21.31 | tonedevf | i like to write rules that say 'deny all but...' |
| 22:28.28 | Heartsbane | I do the same there are only 2 IP's that are allowed |
| 23:05.13 | Zelut | any irssi users care to help test a script I wrote? it allows searching irssi logs by network/channel & search term |
| 23:23.42 | fizz | sure thing |
| 23:24.01 | Zelut | http://zelut.org/dropbox/logsearch.pl |
| 23:24.30 | Zelut | currently its for searching irssi logs (/set autolog on). usage: /logsearch freenode #ubuntu-us-ut search_term |
| 23:25.09 | Zelut | but I'm thinking searching system logs would be trivial to add as well. |
| 23:27.37 | fizz | heh nice. |
| 23:27.49 | fizz | i should have used a more specific term. |
| 23:27.57 | fizz | ca you do things like searching 2 terms? |
| 23:28.11 | Zelut | fizz: anything past $channel is used in the search term. |
| 23:28.30 | Zelut | ./logsearch freenode #ubuntu-us-ut fizz sucks will search for 'fizz sucks' |
| 23:29.47 | fizz | i was wondering if it would be possible to get a cmma delimiedlist of erms whee all the terms need to be in the phrase |
| 23:29.53 | fizz | s/cmma/comma |
| 23:30.00 | Zelut | right now it just takes everything and searches for it as a complete string. |
| 23:30.31 | fizz | cool. it works well for that. it's the exact output of grep. |
| 23:30.47 | fizz | except i dont have to detatch from irssi. |
| 23:31.09 | Zelut | yeah, its grepping the logs. |
| 23:31.51 | Zelut | if you look, your autolog_path is $path/freenode/channel.log, so the arguments you give it populate /freenode/channel and then it greps that .log for whatever term you give it. |
| 23:32.53 | Zelut | if that makes sense.. so you could search any network you're on, in any channel.. should even do PMs |
| 23:33.12 | Zelut | search PM by username instead of channel |
| 23:33.54 | fizz | excellent. i woder what it would take to use multiple search strings. |
| 23:34.04 | fizz | decides to look at the script for a moment tonight. |
| 23:34.23 | Zelut | fizz: its all of 36 lines. not too complicated. |
| 23:35.06 | Zelut | fizz: right now its using split to define $network $channel $term, and split limits to 3. |
| 23:35.12 | fizz | i just peeked at it. it's nice and simple. |
| 23:35.34 | Zelut | fizz: I suppose we could raise that value and do $term1, $term2, $term3, etc.. and then change the grep regex to look for multiples. |
| 23:36.24 | Zelut | thats theory in my perl-n00b head anyway.. who knows how well that'd work. |
| 23:38.17 | fizz | well i'm a perl noob too, but maybe synic or some others have some insight to that one. |
| 23:38.30 | Zelut | is trying to think of grep regex to find multiple items. |
| 23:40.15 | Zelut | I just keep thinking (foo|bar), but thats or.. |
| 23:40.23 | Zelut | my brain is a bit tired from all this studyin' |
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| 23:43.09 | synic | I think you should remove the dep on grep :) You could easily do that match with just straight perl |
| 23:46.52 | Zelut | just added preliminary system log support |
| 23:47.23 | Zelut | if you want to test that update from the same link and reload.. |
| 23:47.35 | Zelut | usage: /logsearch system log_filename term |
| 23:50.55 | fizz | crap. totally messed up my screen. i searched for an invalid log. heh. |
| 23:51.24 | Zelut | ctrl-l if you're in screen |
| 23:52.40 | fizz | i just had to go to a different window and then back to this one. |
| 23:52.59 | fizz | what does ctrl-l do? and why dont i know? :) |
| 23:53.08 | Zelut | redraws the screen-screen |
| 23:53.14 | Zelut | ctrl-a ? |
| 23:53.23 | fizz | oh. ok. sweet. that'll be useful. |
| 23:56.06 | Zelut | just fixed a minor bug in the new system log version. |
| 23:57.51 | tristanbob_ | Zelut, dropbox FTW! |
| 23:58.00 | Zelut | tristanbob_: +1 |