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| 14:13.30 | radsxp | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.30 | radsxp | <radsxp> any you guys use busybox |
| 14:13.30 | radsxp | <radsxp> my friend installed it last night now my ubuntu boots up to a command line that says initramfs: |
| 14:13.30 | radsxp | <radsxp> how the heck do i exit |
| 14:13.30 | radsxp | <radsxp> back to ubuntu |
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| 15:20.31 | Heartsbane | radsxp: I would imagine you would have to fix that in grub, but I don't know where it was set before |
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| 17:09.00 | encryptz | i've come to the conclusion that linux sux. i'm going back to windows |
| 17:09.26 | sontek | Thats the conclusion i'm coming to after reading linuxhaters blog :P |
| 17:09.55 | sontek | but i'm thinking he might just be a suse user, going to tryout ubuntu before I switch to windows ;P |
| 17:10.34 | encryptz | they all sux |
| 17:10.41 | sontek | :( |
| 17:19.48 | Gate | encryptz: only if you hate configurability, freedom and downright coolness :) |
| 17:21.01 | encryptz | windows is coolness. it has aero |
| 17:21.13 | Gate | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:21.31 | Gate | stops himself from laughing, because he really has heard that argument |
| 17:21.37 | encryptz | and powershell |
| 17:21.49 | Gate | because rememer, linux is bad, people have died from using it http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080608 |
| 17:21.53 | sontek | powershell is actually pretty badass |
| 17:21.54 | encryptz | and winfs... someday |
| 17:22.08 | sontek | you still can't full screen it |
| 17:22.17 | sontek | but I can't wait until hotwire is more solid |
| 17:23.11 | Gate | wait, so powershell is bash for windows? |
| 17:23.54 | encryptz | it's c-sharp shell |
| 17:24.05 | sontek | Gate: sort of, its a scriptable/interactive shell |
| 17:24.15 | encryptz | if only bash were 1/2 as cool |
| 17:24.20 | sontek | Gate: it allows you to interact with the .net class libraries in your scripting |
| 17:25.12 | Gate | marvelous..... |
| 17:25.25 | Gate | .NET is not my friend. |
| 17:26.02 | encryptz | actually, i was in denver two weeks ago teaching |
| 17:26.20 | encryptz | each room in the training center was named |
| 17:26.42 | encryptz | the room i was in was called "monarch" |
| 17:27.03 | encryptz | guess what was being taught in "purgatory"? |
| 17:27.48 | Heartsbane | a class on proctology? |
| 17:27.55 | Heartsbane | FINAL ANSWER |
| 17:27.56 | encryptz | "windows .NET development with visual studio 2005" |
| 17:28.04 | encryptz | :) |
| 17:28.04 | Heartsbane | lost again. |
| 17:29.22 | Heartsbane | reject .NET and reject Gnome-Do, fspot, tomboy, etc. |
| 17:29.24 | Gate | well, powershell might be tempting IF: it has proper UNIX tools (diff, grep, sed) |
| 17:29.49 | Gate | because those are the things I miss daily working in Windows |
| 17:30.13 | sontek | Gate: diff, grep, and sed run on windows just fine |
| 17:30.19 | sontek | Gate: you can use them in the old cmd if you want |
| 17:30.38 | nearn | encryptz: that traning room name is awesome. |
| 17:30.57 | sontek | Gate: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:31.38 | sontek | encryptz: yeah, thats definitely purgatory, if anyone is just now learning development in 2005 when 2008 has been out for so long, they need to be shot |
| 17:31.54 | sontek | encryptz: 2008 / .net 3.5 has been out so long, mono already has it implemented :P |
| 17:32.00 | Gate | sontek: we are still using 2003 where I work |
| 17:32.21 | sontek | Gate: you need to fire anyone who makes IT decisions at your company |
| 17:33.01 | Gate | problems upgrading to .NET 2.0. (mainly our clients tend to riot) |
| 17:33.03 | nearn | what? 2003 is aweosme. |
| 17:33.20 | sontek | Gate: you can still work in 2005/2008 and compile in 1.1 |
| 17:33.42 | sontek | Gate: you can ifdef when you are using 2.0/3.5 features or just have your build system compile under 1.1 with msbee |
| 17:34.03 | sontek | Gate: but there is no reason not to upgrade to the latest IDE's, they improve your teams development speed a ton |
| 17:34.15 | sontek | Gate: and morale, because 2003 was terrible |
| 17:34.19 | sontek | 2005 wasn't bad :) |
| 17:34.54 | Gate | sontek: 2005 is the straw that broke the camel's back for me. |
| 17:35.12 | Gate | after a few months of using it I was using g++ |
| 17:35.27 | sontek | Gate: what didn't you like about it? |
| 17:35.34 | Gate | it was unstable as hell. |
| 17:35.48 | Gate | I was sick of paying to beta test MS software |
| 17:35.52 | sontek | Gate: if you were running the betas, yes |
| 17:35.59 | Gate | nope, this was after release |
| 17:36.04 | sontek | Gate: but the final release was solid |
| 17:36.05 | Gate | well after release |
| 17:36.22 | Gate | its service pack was solid. Not the initial release |
| 17:36.23 | sontek | Gate: For us, it improved stability a ton |
| 17:36.28 | sontek | Gate: 2003 crashed once a day |
| 17:36.33 | sontek | 2005 only crashes once a month |
| 17:37.06 | Gate | sontek: 2005 crashed every few minutes for me |
| 17:37.20 | sontek | Gate: you've got other issues going on in your system then |
| 17:38.04 | Gate | this was on 2 different computers, the problem was if VS2005 encountered a certain sort of C++ bug and you tried to use their debugger pane, it would crash |
| 17:38.31 | sontek | yeah, we don't do any C++ dev in visual studio, thats what vim was made for |
| 17:38.43 | sontek | vs2005 works well with C# :) |
| 17:38.50 | Gate | C++ was my only language at the time |
| 17:39.21 | Gate | so I gave VS the finger and installed ubuntu 6.10 on a USB drive for my lappy the next day |
| 17:39.40 | sontek | yeah, I don't think VS was ever good at C++ development |
| 17:39.48 | Gate | (this was also at 4 am when the project was due at start of class at 9) |
| 17:39.49 | sontek | especially with their managed C++ |
| 17:40.06 | Gate | I didn't use managed code with it |
| 17:40.57 | Gate | hm, maybe it was 6.06 |
| 17:41.34 | sontek | yeah, I undertand your pain if you were doing C++ dev in VS |
| 17:44.04 | Gate | I do C# at work at it works pretty well (and by the way, the new development is happening in 2005, but 3/4 of us are legacy support/bug fixes/Feature Requests) |
| 17:44.29 | Gate | but at home, its geany/gcc for me. |
| 17:45.04 | sontek | yeah, thats always the best way to do C/C++ dev |
| 17:45.14 | sontek | but mingw and a few others aren't bad on windows |
| 17:45.58 | Gate | meh, my only home windows machine doesn't have any dev environment at all on it |
| 17:46.36 | Gate | And I am becoming quite interested in python (still using geany) |
| 17:47.25 | sontek | I've never used geany, but I have a blog post up about howw to tweak vim for hacking python |
| 17:49.56 | sontek | http://blog.sontek.net/2008/05/11/python-with-a-modular-ide-vim/ |
| 17:53.39 | Gate | Well, I am going to go blow something up. |
| 17:53.50 | Gate | (electronically, of course) |
| 17:53.53 | Gate | TTYL |
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