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04:35.57Joe_CoTlol, so i'm pretty sure tristanbob_ just tried to sell me a Switchvox on the Digium forums
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06:42.00thenetduckherlo you up still?
06:42.14thenetduckherlo, im calling it www.fossr.com instead of ubuntu-reviews.com
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16:01.06tristanbob_Joe_CoT, that was me! what a small world
16:01.23Joe_CoTyeah, i figured it was
16:01.35Joe_CoTsince "Tristan Rhodes" isn't a very common name
16:02.23Joe_CoTbut yeah, a little too familiar with asterisk to want to buy a SwitchVox, sorry :D
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16:33.02synicsupid last.fm
16:33.05synicer.. stupid.
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17:04.53encryptzthe 8.04 RC has hit
17:05.45Zelutencryptz: using my mirror + jigdo I had the RC image in ~2min. w00t
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17:40.07d33dZelut, what's this jigdo?
17:40.46Zelutd33d: its what I like to call "the shit" ;)
17:40.55d33dhaha
17:41.15d33dWell, i managed to uninstall some important package last night
17:41.26Zelutit'll compare an .iso you have to an available .iso & only download the changes.
17:41.33d33dand pretty much destroyed my ubuntu gutsy.
17:41.44d33dSo I'm on Hardy now....
17:41.51Zelutd33d: ok then
17:41.59d33dso i'm trying this jigdo thing
17:43.57d33djust ran the commands on the link you have in your twitter
17:44.31encryptzjigdo has been the power behind debian for a while. with the sheer number of .isos they have, you need it
17:45.59d33dwhat if i don't have the original iso file ?
17:46.03encryptzZelut: so, how do you like wordpress 2.5?
17:46.12Zelutencryptz: its cool
17:46.18encryptzd33d: then, it doesn't benefit much
17:46.20Zelutd33d: then jigdo doesn't do you any good
17:46.32encryptzd33d: it works much the same rsync does
17:46.37d33dhaha
17:46.43d33dk that's what i thought.
17:47.54d33dis the current image the one that's linked to ubuntu's main site?
17:47.57d33dthe beta?
17:48.08encryptzhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/
17:49.02d33dyeah. that's where I am.
17:49.40Zelutit should be -rc, not -beta
17:49.56d33dk
17:50.04d33dwhere can i find which version i have?
17:50.14d33dof ubuntu, i mean i installed the beta last night
17:50.15encryptzon that page, all are -rc. there are no -betas, unless you're at an outdated mirror
17:50.33d33dI installed with an outdated iso.
17:50.35Zelutd33d: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/hardy/
17:51.02encryptzd33d: just aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade
17:51.08encryptzthat should pull all the packages down for you
17:51.19encryptzno need to reinstall. this isn't fedora
17:51.22d33dI believe it asked me last night to do the upgrade.
17:51.38d33dSo is there any way for me to check on my system which version i have? RC or beta?
17:51.51Zelutd33d: what does: cat /etc/*releases say?
17:51.57d33dk sec
17:51.58d33dty
17:52.34d33dno such file or directory ::(
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17:53.44Zelutsorry, /etc/*release
17:53.45encryptzcat /etc/debian-version ツ
17:53.55d33dk. Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy,
17:53.57d33dthat's all
17:54.10d33ddoesn't say beta or rc
17:54.10Zelutd33d: ok, so you're on 8.04 you just may need to apply some updates
17:54.20d33dlol
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17:55.37d33dOk, i knew i was on 8.04. What i mean is, I used a beta iso burned it to disk last night, installed it to my laptop and ubuntu asked me automatically to upgrade, as if it was doing a "dist-upgrade" so i ran that, I suppose it updated to RC...would that be the correct assumption?
17:56.19encryptzd33d: if you have no updates, then yes. that would be a correct assumption
17:56.30d33dencryptz, yeah. no updates.
17:56.42d33dmeaning i really couldn't test jigdo now.
17:56.44d33d:(
17:57.01Zelutd33d: you could test jigdo against the iso you burned last nite, yes.
17:57.05encryptzsure you could. jigdo has nothing to do with updates
17:57.15encryptzon your system, that is
17:57.15d33ddang.
17:57.30Zelutd33d: if the image you burned yesterday is -beta & you get the .jigdo for -rc it'll update your .iso from yesterday.
17:57.30d33dI'm so confused. (as if i don't sound like an idiot already)
17:57.40encryptzjigdo is all about rsync'ing a .iso
17:57.43Zelutd33d: jigdo updates .iso files, not installs.
17:57.47d33dk but I think I'm on the RC now.
17:57.57d33dOH!
17:58.01Zelutd33d: ok, yeah you're not getting it lol
17:58.10encryptzyou downloaded the beta .iso. *if* you wanted the rc .iso, then you could use jigdo to update the beta .iso
17:58.12d33dIt makes the iso file updated.
17:58.13Zelutencryptz: it doesn't actually use rsync, but its the same principle.
17:58.22d33dhaha.
17:58.25encryptzZelut: yeah. trying to simplify it here
17:58.31d33ddang. sorry.
17:58.35d33dI was so confused.
17:58.44d33dWell that's freaking cool.
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18:00.21encryptzZelut: i wonder if rsync would work, or if it would treat it as a separate file
18:00.32encryptzrsync can handle binaries after all
18:01.06Zelutencryptz: rsync would be required on the server-side though and there are far fewer rsync mirrors.
18:01.24Zelutencryptz: jigdo can just use wget over http
18:01.56encryptztrue
18:02.35tapH20gurujigdo = binary diffs?
18:03.12tapH20guruthat would be cool to do with large debs too... like updating a new kernel version or OO
18:03.21tapH20gurujust wget the diffs
18:03.44ZeluttapH20guru: yeah, yum supports diff updates but I don't think apt does
18:04.34encryptztapH20guru: i believe jigdo supports binaries
18:04.42encryptz*any binaries, that is
18:04.57tapH20guruyeah - I mean iso is a binary really
18:05.05encryptzit just has to end in a .jigdo extension, and keep the exact filename
18:05.11tapH20gurucool idea
18:05.13tapH20guruhmm... http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/439
18:06.28encryptztapH20guru: the concept with package diffs is cool, but in practice is *horribly* slower than just grabbing the debs
18:06.29encryptzthe overhead is massive
18:06.39tapH20gurureally? even with big debs?
18:06.50tapH20guruI can see it not working for small ones... but OO is a killer
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18:07.11encryptzif i'm using pdiffs on my debian testing box, the updates come down the pipe around 5-8KB/s
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18:07.28tapH20gurucrappy mirror?
18:07.29encryptzif grabbing the debs, it's around 800-1000MB/s
18:07.48encryptzi've tried several. according to #debian on oftc, i won't find anything better
18:08.22tapH20guruhuh.. I wonder
18:08.24d33dI'm looking at this Ampache demo and I'm not seeing a streaming link, does it stream your files?
18:08.25encryptzs/MB/KB/
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18:09.27Zelutd33d: the demo wont stream but there is an icon over the playlist that generally would
18:09.46d33dok
18:09.55d33dthey did say stuff had been removed.
18:10.18d33dJust making sure that it did. That's pretty nifty. How long have you been using it now?
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19:13.37tristanbob_Joe_CoT, if you are familiar with Asterisk, you should hang out in #utaug
19:13.48tristanbob_Utah Asterisk User Group
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19:14.03Joe_CoTi live in new jersey, but. uh, ok
19:30.46tristanbob_Joe_CoT, oh, I thought Utah because of this channel
19:31.00Joe_CoTno, just came to bug you
19:31.20tristanbob_ahh - that makes since - I see you are an ubuntu member as well
19:31.31tristanbob_I need to change my cloak...
19:31.52tristanbob_encryptz, how do I change my cloak to ubuntu member?
19:32.19Joe_CoTyou have to get a staffer to do it. nihilous is usually the guy to go to
19:32.31Joe_CoTi /think/ that's the right spelling
19:38.09tristanbob_Joe_CoT, thanks, I will look into it
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19:41.00synicwewt, offer from Guru.
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19:45.02Zelutsynic: nice
19:57.50encryptzsynic: congrats
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21:21.58tristanbobsynic, good job!
22:07.15Zelutsynic: I can't get the ampache flash player to actually play anything..
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