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| 04:21.06 | tgelter | #ubuntu-utah isn't being forwarded here... |
| 04:23.03 | tgelter | I need to buy about 500 ft of CAT 6 cable and the connectors, can someone point me to a good, cheap source? |
| 04:24.28 | findlay | I'd start with central utah electronics |
| 04:24.33 | findlay | if you're in Utah county |
| 04:24.51 | findlay | or Standard Supply Electronics on 3rd west in SLC |
| 04:25.12 | herlo | tgelter: another suggestion is Home Depot or Lowes, but the others are probably cheaper |
| 04:25.33 | findlay | avoid radio shack if you want cheap |
| 04:25.35 | findlay | :) |
| 04:26.01 | tgelter | findlay, herlo: thanks...are those sources cheaper than monoprice.com @ around $100 for 1000 ft? |
| 04:27.03 | findlay | I don't know. Both of the places I listed are generally cheap and good on all their parts |
| 04:27.24 | herlo | tgelter: no |
| 04:27.28 | tgelter | findlay: thanks |
| 04:27.32 | herlo | at least not the ones I mentioned |
| 04:27.46 | tgelter | herlo: ok. |
| 04:28.41 | herlo | tgelter: I bought 500ft for about $80 at Lowes recently |
| 04:29.01 | tgelter | herlo: cat 5e or 6? |
| 04:29.07 | herlo | 5e IIRC |
| 04:30.14 | tgelter | so it looks like monoprice is my best bet. thanks guys |
| 04:33.33 | tgelter | ok, one more question: I have the option of UTP solid cable, and UTP stranded cable... |
| 04:33.47 | tgelter | why would I want one over the other? |
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| 07:20.10 | fizz | anyone home? |
| 07:26.52 | Gate | yep fizz |
| 07:39.37 | fizz | Gate: msg |
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| 17:26.26 | mheath_rmt | Anyone around? |
| 17:29.11 | |phoenyx| | probably |
| 17:30.02 | mheath_rmt | Playing with an idea here, and was wondering what others thought of this |
| 17:30.16 | synic | sounds like a good one to me. |
| 17:30.34 | mheath_rmt | I'm working on creating a System Restore Point tool for Ubuntu, siilar to concept of whats included in Microsoft Windows. |
| 17:31.04 | mheath_rmt | It would create a backup of all installed packages and their configuration files |
| 17:31.29 | mheath_rmt | And, upon restoring, it would restore those packages, and restore their configuration files to exactly the state they were when the storepoint was made. |
| 17:34.14 | tapH20guru | mheath_rmt: and the home dir? |
| 17:34.46 | mheath_rmt | tapH20guru: That would be left to normal backup methods. |
| 17:34.58 | mheath_rmt | A full backup isn't the point of this utility |
| 17:35.16 | mheath_rmt | It's a one-click, get-the-system-back-to-exactly-where-it-was-before-you-broke it tool. |
| 17:35.27 | tapH20guru | cuz you could break something by a incorrect config in your home dir... it would be nice to restore to a know good point there too |
| 17:35.55 | mheath_rmt | tapH20guru: YOu could configure it to also handle non-standard configuration files. |
| 17:36.19 | tapH20guru | i'm thinking things like the .gnome* dirs |
| 17:38.20 | mheath_rmt | But, my general question is - would you find this useful? |
| 17:38.38 | tapH20guru | yeah - sounds very nice to me |
| 17:38.44 | tapH20guru | IMHO |
| 17:39.02 | mheath_rmt | Some of my experiences have been that, if I start saying "What if I make a utility like System Restore for Linux?", some Linux users start screaming "OMG, MS made that because Windows sucks, Linux doesn't need crap like that!" |
| 17:39.42 | tapH20guru | i won't yell at you... i think it's a cool idea |
| 17:40.57 | mheath_rmt | I like it because of potential other uses, too...... |
| 17:41.07 | mheath_rmt | Not just for rescue, but to 'capture' your system and its configuration |
| 17:41.25 | mheath_rmt | Say you spend days installing, updating, and configuring your system to exactly the way you like it |
| 17:41.39 | mheath_rmt | This could back that all up so that those settings can be easily applied to a fresh install in the future. |
| 17:41.51 | mheath_rmt | OK, be back later. |
| 18:08.12 | Zelut | wonders if mheath_rmt has every actually implemented any of the hundreds of ideas he talks about in here. |
| 18:11.01 | throck | mheath_rmt: just don't call it system restore point tool. Think of something more linuxy. Then they can't yell. :) |
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| 18:26.25 | mrpull | mheath_rmt: call it a bare metal restore and people will pay more |
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| 18:28.57 | pr0le | something like this?: http://www.trickytools.com/php/clonesys.php |
| 18:29.25 | mrpull | pr0le: mheath isn't against reinventing the wheel |
| 18:29.42 | pr0le | heh. that's cool too |
| 18:30.18 | pr0le | I think it at least needs a cryptic, short command though - like 'bmr' or something |
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| 19:11.45 | mheath | pr0le: No, not like that |
| 19:12.07 | mheath | mrpull: thanks for the snide remarks. You might want to give me a chance to reply to the question before you make them next time, though |
| 19:12.25 | pr0le | more like an LVM snapshot? |
| 19:12.47 | mheath | pr0le: That makes a bit-for-bit backup of the system, it appears, and only takes the kernel out to make the resulting CD bootable. |
| 19:13.00 | mheath | pr0le: I'm talking about a package-manager aware, package-and-configuration backup. |
| 19:13.11 | mheath | IE, it keeps track of what packages were installed and then how they were configured |
| 19:13.18 | mheath | It need not be a bit-for-bit backup of the system |
| 19:13.57 | mheath | Zelut: Not as many as I wish :P |
| 19:14.09 | pr0le | so kind of like a kickstart but with all the packages you add after initial install? |
| 19:14.40 | mheath | pr0le: And there configurations. Yep, kind of like. |
| 19:14.48 | pr0le | gotcha |
| 19:14.52 | mheath | Plus some tools for 'restoring' the system from a very low level |
| 19:15.05 | mheath | As well as, say, integrating your changes into a custom install CD easily. |
| 19:15.26 | mheath | Though that last bit MIGHT be reinventing the wheel a bit, as I know theres a few mechanisms already for customized install CDs |
| 19:16.38 | mheath | Zelut: I like to brainstorm lots of ideas. |
| 19:16.46 | mheath | I try to work on some |
| 19:17.02 | mheath | I think a lot of my ideas have merit, but I don't have time to work on all of them, unfortunately :( |
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| 19:49.01 | mrpull | new wheel refinements can be improvements. there is nothing wrong with improving/reinventing the wheel. |
| 20:02.41 | mheath_rmt | As a use case, my idea would enable me to fix my Ubuntu install right now without having to do a reinstall :( |
| 20:03.29 | Yorokobi | Or, you can save yourself the trouble and not break it. Problem solved. :) |
| 20:03.59 | mheath_rmt | Yorokobi: Thats true, too :P |
| 20:04.06 | mheath_rmt | I could fix this manually, too... |
| 20:04.30 | mheath_rmt | But it would take a long time, and involve a lot of scary reinstallations and reconfigurations that I don't want to install for something thats a rather unstable beta still |
| 20:04.54 | mheath_rmt | s/want to install/want to undertake/g |
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