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| 02:01.26 | mheath | Evening all. |
| 02:05.54 | mrpull-lt | what's up mheath? |
| 02:06.40 | mheath | Working on reinstalling several computer systems, and setting up my new home server |
| 02:07.34 | mrpull-lt | i've got work to do, but i'm avoiding it. |
| 02:08.51 | mheath | Work of what sort? |
| 02:09.19 | mrpull-lt | work of every sort... personal/family/church/professional... |
| 02:09.31 | mrpull-lt | but surfing and chatting sounds like more fun right now |
| 02:11.36 | mheath | haha, indeed. |
| 02:11.49 | mheath | I'm actually working on some physics homework while I wait for some stuff to complete :P |
| 02:12.08 | mrpull-lt | my hardy install went wonky a few weeks back. maybe i'll grab the beta. |
| 02:31.34 | encryptz | Zelut: can you pastebin the gpg section of your muttrc for me? |
| 02:35.17 | Zelut | encryptz: http://pastebin.ca/956207 |
| 02:36.23 | encryptz | Zelut: does mutt by default use PGP/MIME, or place the signature inline? |
| 02:45.33 | Zelut | encryptz: inline |
| 03:24.13 | mheath | I have come to the conclusion that Linux kernel development is rediculously bloated by corporations these days |
| 03:24.46 | mheath | It's taken months now for a fairly straightforward patch to get added to the kernel, because of the rediculous paths it has to go through. |
| 03:31.03 | sontek | mheath: Every line of code that is commited is reviewed by 1 of 4 people, it takes time. |
| 03:31.25 | sontek | mheath: and before it reaches one of those 4 people it has to go through many peer reviews |
| 03:35.40 | mheath | sontek: Meanwhile one of my computers is completely worthless in Linux, because of an older and poorly coded patch that was supposed to fix problems with parallel ports. |
| 03:35.57 | mheath | sontek: It's rediculous. |
| 03:36.08 | sontek | you can apply and compile it yourself |
| 03:36.33 | mheath | sontek: Thats hard to do, though... |
| 03:36.36 | mheath | It's not a basic kernel patch |
| 03:36.51 | mheath | The patch is for the ACPCIA subsystem stuff |
| 03:37.13 | sontek | i'm sure they would love to fix it faster, theres just not enough volunteers doing that kind of work |
| 03:37.24 | mheath | sontek: Sure there is. |
| 03:37.34 | mheath | sontek: This particular bug has seen the attention of dozens of individuals |
| 03:37.42 | mheath | sontek: It's just a horrible bureacratic process now. |
| 03:38.05 | sontek | its a process that makes sure insecure code does not make it into the kernel. |
| 03:38.19 | mheath | sontek: Now that corporations have an interest in Linux working flawlessly on their devices, you have to fight kicking and screaming to make such a low level change. |
| 03:38.50 | sontek | I've been waiting over 5 months for an ACPI fix, the patch is in bugzilla, just waiting for it to be reviewed, but I understand its a hard process |
| 03:39.14 | sontek | mheath: this process hasn't changed, it was like this before corporations ever used linux |
| 03:39.15 | mheath | It's a rediculous process. |
| 03:39.30 | sontek | its a process that makes perfection. |
| 03:39.47 | mheath | sontek: No, it's not. It's purely been @intel.com developers signing stuff off, commenting. |
| 03:39.48 | sontek | if you become a software engineer and work in a company, you'll learn to respect it |
| 03:39.53 | mheath | sontek: It's purely been @intel.com developers committing stuff |
| 03:39.56 | Heartsbane | Rediculous Perfection |
| 03:40.45 | mheath | sontek: I don't agree. There are plenty of counter-examples of other operating systems presenting rock-solid reliability and security yet maintaining a much faster and straightforward development cycle. |
| 03:41.21 | mheath | It really troubles me that Linux development is catering to corporations so much lately. |
| 03:41.25 | mheath | Take Ubuntu Mobile, for example |
| 03:41.39 | Heartsbane | take it where |
| 03:41.41 | sontek | mheath: Ubuntu Mobile just leaches off the hardword of these developers |
| 03:41.51 | sontek | mheath: Ubuntu has very few upstream developers on its team |
| 03:41.51 | mheath | Ubuntu with touch screen and lots of neat mobile support, with a new UI and everything...sounds pretty cool, right? |
| 03:42.01 | mheath | Too bad its custom designed to run on only one weird Intel architecture. |
| 03:42.06 | sontek | mheath: compared to Intel, Redhat, and Novell |
| 03:42.12 | mheath | Can't even use any of it on any normal computers |
| 03:42.33 | sontek | so go use windows and stop your bitching |
| 03:42.59 | mheath | sontek: Thats a great way of thinking! |
| 03:43.09 | mheath | Someone complains about the way the process is and states it doesn't have to be that way. |
| 03:43.15 | sontek | mheath: you are the kind of person linux doesn't want in the community. |
| 03:43.16 | mheath | You tell them to 'stop your bitching'. |
| 03:43.31 | sontek | You just bitch and complain without really understanding the reason behind the decisions |
| 03:43.31 | mheath | and that they're unwanted because they raise complaints about the status quo. |
| 03:43.56 | sontek | The process is a very well thought out process that has taken 20 years to perfect |
| 03:44.02 | sontek | every part of it is in place for a reason |
| 03:44.12 | sontek | you can disagree with it, but its the way the people who contribute to the project want it |
| 03:44.16 | Zelut | complaints are one thing. complaints with contributed solutions are another |
| 03:44.18 | mheath | sontek: What is it I don't understand? I follow Linux kernel development religiously. |
| 03:44.27 | mheath | I spent over an hour a day reading through the LKML digests |
| 03:44.35 | mheath | I've submitted several patches to Linux |
| 03:44.56 | mheath | Sorry, I feel like I'm somewhat entitled to complain about problems I see in an open source project. |
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| 03:45.25 | sontek | mheath: No one is entitled to complain |
| 03:45.32 | Heartsbane | If I have to stop this IRC channel ... I will turn it around and we can all go home |
| 03:45.50 | sontek | mheath: Linux and open source projects are on a volunteer basis |
| 03:46.06 | sontek | mheath: the people who work on these projects take pride in what they do and work very hard on them |
| 03:46.14 | mheath | sontek: Yes, I understand that. Thats part of the problem. |
| 03:46.18 | sontek | mheath: they spend countless hours in their spare time building the system we all love |
| 03:46.36 | sontek | mheath: and then you come in here and bitch and complain because your one little patch hasn't made it into production yet. |
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| 03:46.53 | sontek | mheath: You are probably 1% of the world that have this problem |
| 03:46.59 | mheath | sontek: ..... |
| 03:47.15 | sontek | mheath: and just because you think your problem is the most important problem, so does everyone else in the world |
| 03:47.44 | sontek | mheath: so sit down, take a deep fucking breath, and slowly work your way up the ladder until you can start committing patches yourself |
| 03:47.55 | sontek | mheath: or create your own git branch and maintain a branch of patches you require |
| 03:48.16 | sontek | mheath: and maybe someday your kernel will get merged into the mm branch or torvalds |
| 03:48.33 | mheath | sontek: I never said my problem was the most important. |
| 03:48.54 | sontek | but spending countless hours bitching and complaining rather than thinking of how you can help the problem isn't going to do anything but fill up Riker's harddrive with useless irc logs |
| 03:48.57 | mheath | Your response to me is the exact opposite of what open source development is supposed to help. |
| 03:49.13 | mheath | Open source development is supposed to be about EVERYONE getting their input on it, about EVERYONE having a say and contributing |
| 03:49.24 | mheath | You're telling me to essentially shut up because my opinion doesn't matter. |
| 03:49.34 | sontek | mheath: you aren't trying to help, you are looking for a place to vent |
| 03:49.37 | sontek | and I don't want ot hear it |
| 03:49.37 | mheath | That because my patch, my bug isn't 'important enough' it deserves no real attention |
| 03:50.03 | sontek | mheath: it will get attention when they have time to give it attention, if they haven't gotten to it yet, they obviously have more important things to fix |
| 03:50.52 | sontek | mheath: you are probably the type of person that goes to Mc.Donalds at 12:15 and then bitches to them because they were slow, WELL GUESS WHAT, THERE WERE 30 PEOPLE IN FRONT OF YOU |
| 03:51.16 | sontek | but have a goodnight, i'm gonna go to the gym :) |
| 03:51.29 | mheath | sontek: OK? Do you even remember what my first comment was? |
| 03:51.32 | sontek | and I didn't mean any of this personally, I just have a pet peeve of people who belittle the hard work of developers |
| 03:51.36 | mheath | Before you started telling me how wrong I was? |
| 03:51.49 | mheath | I wasn't belitting hard work |
| 03:51.59 | mheath | and I didn't say it was wasted effort, or outright bad. |
| 03:51.59 | Heartsbane | belitting? |
| 03:52.19 | mheath | I said that major corporations had bloated the development process significantly. |
| 03:52.26 | mheath | I stand by that statement |
| 03:52.39 | mheath | I fail to see how thats saying that the development process is fundamentally flawed |
| 03:53.31 | sontek | because if you go watch the greg kroah hartman OSCON talk from 2007 you'll see that he breaks down the contributions and that 90% of the development is done by volunteers |
| 03:53.41 | sontek | and very few code goes in from corporations |
| 03:53.57 | sontek | sure, intel contributes a lot of code, but they also have a lot of hardware they need to support |
| 03:54.04 | mheath | sontek: Yes, I understand that. But the corporations are generally the select few you mentioned who are responsible for reviewing this contributed code. |
| 03:55.05 | mheath | sontek: Go and compare the changelogs from 2.0 to current changelogs from 2.6. |
| 03:55.28 | mheath | The difference is very, very apparent |
| 03:55.45 | mheath | Linux gaining steam with major coprorations who obviously want a say in its development HAS changed things significantly |
| 03:56.16 | mheath | And while, like you point out, this has introduced considerable improvements to stability, security, and hardware support, it also HAS introduced a lot of bloat into the development schedules. |
| 03:56.36 | sontek | http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/ Thats an older article |
| 03:56.41 | sontek | I can't find his 2007 breakdown |
| 03:57.33 | sontek | his late 2007 breakdown |
| 03:57.38 | sontek | that was in February |
| 03:57.44 | sontek | but you'll get a rude awakening about your thoughts |
| 03:57.47 | Heartsbane | why don't you kids take it to a PM |
| 03:57.55 | sontek | Heartsbane: speak when spoken to |
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| 03:58.26 | sontek | So we got a tough guy here, eh? |
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| 03:58.32 | Heartsbane | k night all |
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| 04:32.28 | fizz | encryptz: ping |
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| 05:09.18 | JJNova | Hi, I am looking for a gentleman that goes by the name Christer, but I forgot his username. He and I discussed an encrypted file system in the past, but I've completely blanked on what he was using |
| 05:20.01 | nearn | JJNova: that would Zelut |
| 05:20.12 | nearn | paging Zelut for Mr. JJNova |
| 05:21.04 | JJNova | It is 12:20 on a Tuesday morning, so I'd be pleasantly surprised if he was around. |
| 05:21.31 | nearn | well it't 11.24 here in slc |
| 05:22.08 | nearn | but yeah, he is probably sleeping or something. |
| 05:22.16 | JJNova | I only ate dinner with him once, so I don't know wha this schedule is like. heh |
| 05:25.31 | nearn | I just know him from here so I dont either. |
| 05:58.57 | Brizz | anyone have a pda they can browse the net with? |
| 06:00.31 | fizz | Brizz: aye |
| 06:00.40 | fizz | well it's a pda phone... |
| 06:00.44 | Brizz | can you test a page for me? |
| 06:00.52 | fizz | yes. |
| 06:01.07 | Brizz | http://www.beyondunreal.com:8080/mobile/index.php |
| 06:04.51 | fizz | as soon as i find my phone i will check for you |
| 06:04.59 | Brizz | thanks |
| 06:53.42 | fizz | Brizz: it did not work |
| 06:53.49 | Brizz | what did it do? |
| 06:54.04 | fizz | threw an error. i'll reproduce it and type it out. |
| 06:55.30 | fizz | huh now it's just hanging after asking if i trust the site. i'll give it a minute to load. |
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| 07:01.53 | Brizz | is it still loading? |
| 07:06.55 | fizz | yeah it just hangs now |
| 07:15.50 | Brizz | o_O |
| 07:16.12 | Brizz | wht kind of phone is it? |
| 07:24.31 | fizz | 6700 |
| 07:24.41 | fizz | with wm5 |
| 07:25.00 | Brizz | can you try again? |
| 07:27.07 | fizz | it seem to be my security settings. i have never had this issue on here. let me see if i can disable that crap. |
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| 13:34.22 | Zelut | morning |
| 13:48.23 | Brizz | howdy |
| 14:12.29 | mheath | Zelut: You had someone looking for you :P |
| 14:20.47 | Brizz | do one of you have a net enabled pda? |
| 14:21.06 | throck | yes. |
| 14:21.14 | Brizz | can you test a site for me? |
| 14:21.15 | throck | it's a blackberry, does that count? |
| 14:21.19 | Brizz | sure |
| 14:21.24 | throck | the beyondunreal one from last night? |
| 14:21.27 | Brizz | yes |
| 14:21.44 | throck | sure |
| 14:21.58 | Brizz | http://www.beyondunreal.com:8080/mobile/index.php |
| 14:22.02 | Brizz | if you don't have it |
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| 14:22.55 | bigfox | Does anybody know of a good public DNS server I can use. The one here at work is very unstable. |
| 14:23.33 | Brizz | 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3, and 4.2.2.4 |
| 14:23.58 | Brizz | those are level3 DNS servers |
| 14:24.03 | Brizz | their public dns servers |
| 14:24.18 | throck | Brizz: The page pulls up, what do you want me to test? |
| 14:24.36 | Brizz | throck, if you could just hit each of the pages and make sure they are functional that would be great |
| 14:24.52 | Brizz | I tested it on my cell phone last night but fizz had trouble on his windows mobile |
| 14:30.21 | throck | Brizz: I hit all the links from the home page, and hit one more link on each of those. I even read a couple posts in the forums. No issues found. |
| 14:31.12 | Brizz | awesomwe thanks |
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| 16:33.38 | JJNova | Zelut - Any chance you are around ? |
| 16:34.22 | Zelut | JJNova: sure |
| 16:34.47 | JJNova | What filesystem are you using for your encrypted data? |
| 16:37.09 | Zelut | ext3 on top of LUKS |
| 16:37.24 | JJNova | thanks. |
| 16:37.54 | Zelut | JJNova: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/17/7-steps-to-an-encrypted-partition-local-or-removable-disk/ |
| 16:38.03 | JJNova | that's my man |
| 16:38.12 | Zelut | JJNova: that helps if you're doing it manually, but the installer (alternate) has an option now too. |
| 16:38.31 | JJNova | Yeah, but I'm already setup and running now. Thanks a lot. |
| 16:38.59 | JJNova | Did you write this ? |
| 16:39.19 | JJNova | If so, you are a high hit on Ask.com for "encrypted filesystem" |
| 16:39.29 | Zelut | yeah, that's my blog. |
| 16:40.30 | JJNova | I just clicked some ads for you. |
| 16:40.38 | Zelut | hehe |
| 17:38.37 | encryptz | synic: Zelut: what do you guys think about creating a paypal account for the team, putting a button on the site to start accepting donations? |
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| 18:04.57 | herlo | encryptz: you may need to consider the fact that you'll have to file for 501c3 status or at least file taxes if you acept donations over a certain total amount |
| 18:33.43 | Zelut | encryptz: I don't really want anything to do with it if you do |
| 18:34.18 | nearn | we could say that it is a group project and that no real donations were made. |
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| 18:38.23 | Zelut | *if* we needed donations I'd say put them thru UTOSF since they already have the foundation in place. |
| 18:38.43 | sontek | why would a user group need donations? |
| 18:38.54 | synic | to buy pizza of course |
| 18:39.15 | sontek | get sponsors like every other user group in the world |
| 18:39.55 | herlo | yup, sponsors would be the best way, then they could just donate equipment, avoiding the whole monetary issue |
| 18:41.37 | sontek | Plug has been around for a long time and I doubt they've taken much in the way of donations :P |
| 18:43.01 | herlo | no, they get corporate sponsors usually |
| 18:43.21 | herlo | Novell and Omniture of note |
| 18:43.29 | sontek | and easy sponsorships to pick up are head hunter companies, they love being able to pitch a 2 minute thing on why you should come to them |
| 18:43.49 | herlo | yup, UPHPU got Tek-systems to come down a few times |
| 18:43.50 | sontek | Call them up and be like 'we are going to have 20 geeks in a room, bring us pizza and you can talk about your company' |
| 18:44.30 | herlo | I don't know though, because after a while, they stopped coming. I don't think the cost-benefit was there for them... |
| 18:45.26 | sontek | Tek-systems and one other headhunter sponsor the .net user group each month |
| 18:45.53 | sontek | but the .net user group is huge compared to ubuntu utah |
| 18:46.19 | sontek | but i'm sure there is some company that loves Ubuntu and wants to buy their users pizza |
| 18:46.41 | sontek | 4 hot and ready's for $20 |
| 18:47.33 | sontek | I'll be April's sponsor |
| 18:47.34 | herlo | ugh! |
| 18:48.20 | herlo | not little queazers |
| 18:50.50 | sontek | 12 horses is also a good sponsor to talk to |
| 18:50.58 | sontek | they sponsor a lot of little user groups around Utah too |
| 18:51.38 | herlo | yeah, I met Clint Goudie-Nice a month or two back from there, he's a good guy |
| 18:51.40 | sontek | usually more on the entrepreneurial side, but they'd probably do a few meetings |
| 18:52.32 | sontek | Call it a Fedora User Group and then have Guru Labs sponsor it! |
| 18:52.46 | sontek | FUG is a good name for any group! |
| 18:54.43 | herlo | no |
| 18:55.16 | sontek | what?! FUG YOU! |
| 18:55.17 | sontek | ;) |
| 18:55.25 | sontek | see! perfect name. |
| 18:55.49 | herlo | see |
| 18:57.24 | sontek | when is this years annual Ubuntu Utah BBQ?! |
| 18:57.28 | herlo | no, but the Fredricksburg Lug has the best name |
| 18:57.30 | herlo | FredLug |
| 18:57.45 | herlo | I want a name like that |
| 18:59.18 | sontek | We could create SLUTLug |
| 18:59.27 | sontek | salt lake utah Linx user group |
| 18:59.36 | herlo | yeah, no! |
| 18:59.39 | sontek | :( |
| 18:59.49 | sontek | you make me feel so sad inside |
| 18:59.59 | sontek | you make me feel like my ideas aren't apperciated! |
| 19:00.20 | sontek | starts playing the violin on his wrists with a razor blade |
| 19:00.26 | sontek | emo sontek! |
| 19:00.48 | fizz | haw |
| 19:01.29 | sontek | sontemo! |
| 19:01.35 | Gate | sontek: I like the idea..... |
| 19:01.48 | Gate | Might get more members that way ;) |
| 19:01.54 | sontek | haha |
| 19:02.04 | sontek | we could probably get some good sponsorships too! |
| 19:02.12 | sontek | Southern Exposure, Hooters.. |
| 19:04.03 | sontek | Lunch time for me though |
| 19:04.25 | sontek | But don't worry! I'll keep on thinking of ways to solve Ubuntu Utah's monetary problems! |
| 19:04.26 | herlo | sontek: you crack me up man! |
| 19:05.18 | sontek | and just throwing this out there.. I hear Heartsbane has good life insurance... |
| 19:05.35 | sontek | not saying it has to happen... but the option is there |
| 19:06.05 | Zelut | if only the team were the beneficiary |
| 19:09.03 | sontek | we'll "persaude" him into signing the documents |
| 19:37.23 | sontek | synic: did you figure out that problem with gst? |
| 20:06.21 | encryptz | no. we're not becoming a 501c3 |
| 20:06.33 | encryptz | 1) i don't want to deal with that |
| 20:06.38 | encryptz | 2) we don't need it |
| 20:08.02 | encryptz | the *only* purpose of paypal is to help cover any costs for the building of this server |
| 20:08.46 | encryptz | and sponsors are going to take too long before we see anything from them |
| 20:08.56 | encryptz | although, i'm not opposed to creating such relationships |
| 20:14.48 | fizz | encryptz: someting else i forgot we could probably use a slim dvdburner or an external dvd burner for keeping backups. |
| 20:15.04 | encryptz | oh yeah |
| 20:15.07 | encryptz | forgot about that |
| 20:16.51 | fizz | i'll put that on the mailing list. |
| 20:18.21 | fizz | oh, but how do we want to do that? slimline internal (sacrifising hdd space) or external? |
| 20:18.44 | fizz | s/sacrificing/sacrifising |
| 20:19.00 | encryptz | probably internal. we have 4 bays total? |
| 20:19.13 | encryptz | 3 bays should be adequate for hdd space, i would think |
| 20:19.24 | encryptz | enough for raid 5 too, if we want |
| 20:19.33 | fizz | hmmm. let me look at something |
| 20:19.57 | fizz | it says 1" hotswap bays... but are they 5.25? |
| 20:22.13 | encryptz | http://www.tstcom.com/product_details.asp?ID=1 |
| 20:22.57 | Yorokobi | get a slim drive |
| 20:23.17 | fizz | good call. |
| 20:27.08 | fizz | i need to see about that power supply it comes with. the board needss a 24+8pin |
| 20:39.31 | Heartsbane | I have 4 20GB SCSI Seagates laying around if you are interested in going SCSI |
| 20:59.15 | sontek | 20GB? My portable mp3 player has more space than that! ;) |
| 21:00.36 | fizz | encryptz: the psu pictured on the newegg page for that case is proper (i just had to copy it and zoom in on it. heh) |
| 21:02.13 | Heartsbane | sontek: its what I got laying around in SCSI, sorry |
| 21:02.22 | nearn | sontek: buts its scsi! |
| 21:02.43 | nearn | 80gigs of scsi i not bad at all. |
| 21:03.10 | Yorokobi | unless they're U120 drives. :) |
| 21:03.16 | Yorokobi | or older |
| 21:05.26 | sontek | I have a couple 160gb's in my closet but I haven't used them in a few years so we'll want to make sure they work and everything |
| 21:05.40 | fizz | ide? |
| 21:05.50 | sontek | yeah |
| 21:06.07 | fizz | sweet. if they work that's enough space for a good start. |
| 21:06.15 | sontek | I have a 500gb sataII drive that I can't use because my hardware doesn't support sata2 :P |
| 21:06.40 | fizz | hey wanna sell that to me? for my use. not the server. |
| 21:06.40 | fizz | heh |
| 21:07.11 | sontek | probably, I've been thinking about buying a new mobo for my file server |
| 21:07.20 | sontek | I've got 1.4tb all full, so its time to upgrade |
| 21:07.54 | sontek | I'll pull the hdd's out of the closet tonight, does someone want to volunteer to test them? |
| 21:08.03 | fizz | i have time to |
| 21:08.16 | Gate | I need a 1tb drive, but I am a "poor college student" |
| 21:08.53 | sontek | My 1.4tb is a bunch of little 300/400gbs all put together |
| 21:09.00 | sontek | the 160gbs were before I got the 300's |
| 21:09.03 | fizz | sontek: when you think you'll have them ready to grab for testing? |
| 21:09.09 | Yorokobi | is saving his $ for very different ... hardware. :D |
| 21:09.16 | sontek | I'll be out of here by 6 |
| 21:09.31 | sontek | so by like 8 tonight, I just have to digg through my box o' junk |
| 21:09.31 | fizz | sontek: in my 1.4-ish TB system i still have 80's |
| 21:09.42 | fizz | sontek: cool. are you in slc? |
| 21:09.52 | sontek | yeah, downtown, 800 s 800 w |
| 21:10.34 | fizz | awesome. pm me your address when you are ready for them to be picked up. |
| 21:10.40 | Heartsbane | fizz: in my 1.2TB I still have 2 40GB that I scored a 250GB replacement I need to put in |
| 21:11.12 | fizz | Heartsbane: nice! you are as bad as me. i still keep web server backups on a couple 20gb drives. :) |
| 21:12.10 | Heartsbane | fizz: ya old hardware that won't die, I have 4GB Samsung that still runs |
| 21:12.16 | Heartsbane | and I dropped it a lot |
| 21:12.24 | Heartsbane | to make it die |
| 21:12.42 | fizz | hahaha. i have some oldies like that, but i refuse to run them. paperweights only. |
| 21:13.02 | Heartsbane | still didn't die |
| 21:13.10 | Heartsbane | paperweight it is |
| 21:13.32 | fizz | i also like using the magnets from older drives on the fridge. |
| 21:14.47 | Heartsbane | anyway anything spare I could donate is 40GB and smaller |
| 21:14.50 | Heartsbane | :( |
| 21:17.02 | sontek | I try to upgrade when my bank account supports it :P |
| 21:17.14 | Gate | 1 tb internal $230..... |
| 21:17.15 | sontek | I don't have much old hardware still up and running |
| 21:17.27 | sontek | Gate: yeah, I've been looking at 750gbs |
| 21:17.36 | sontek | Gate: the 750gbs are like $120 right now |
| 21:20.29 | fizz | i've been trying not to upgrade (or rebuild stuff i have sitting around into servers) but it isn't working |
| 21:21.34 | sontek | Yeah, my file server is a dual 2.4 xeon with 4gb of ram, its only job is to watch rss feeds for torrents and share me said downloads via nfs :P |
| 21:21.44 | sontek | a little overkill, but it does its job well ;) |
| 21:21.51 | fizz | ha! |
| 21:22.01 | fizz | a "little" overkill :) |
| 21:22.07 | Zelut | all of my servers are PIII 500Mhz, 256M with assorted drives. |
| 21:23.00 | sontek | Zelut: you must not have anything to compensate for! |
| 21:23.09 | fizz | i have one that's a pentium D, a dual pIII, a couple of celeron servers. |
| 21:23.11 | sontek | Zelut: My small peen is made up for by my large server |
| 21:23.38 | Zelut | sontek: +1 ;) |
| 21:24.14 | sontek | I think we just need to get rsync going across all our home servers |
| 21:24.18 | fizz | while we are on the server subject... what is everyones favorite linux for your home servers? |
| 21:24.23 | sontek | and have a super cluster for ubuntu utah |
| 21:24.32 | sontek | openSUSE 10.3 |
| 21:24.39 | Zelut | sontek: I just wish I had better bandwidth. |
| 21:24.43 | Zelut | ubuntu-server (gutsy) for me. |
| 21:24.47 | sontek | Zelut: move back down south! |
| 21:24.57 | sontek | Zelut: Moving away from Utopia was a bad idea! |
| 21:25.08 | fizz | dapper for older machines and gutsy for better ones here. |
| 21:25.28 | Zelut | mine'll all be 8.04 in a month.. were on dapper for a long time. |
| 21:25.40 | fizz | i cant wait for 8.04 |
| 21:25.46 | fizz | i am a ubuntu LTS believer |
| 21:26.08 | fizz | dapper has never once let me down. |
| 21:26.14 | sontek | I'm a developer, so I need the latest distros because I never develop for old libraries :P |
| 21:26.34 | peno | debian sid for me |
| 21:26.44 | fizz | sontek: understandable. |
| 21:26.45 | Zelut | fizz: I ran dapper for a few years but finally upgraded recently to prep toward 8.04 LTS. |
| 21:27.00 | fizz | that's what i've been working towards. |
| 21:29.05 | fizz | speaking of which... maybe i should leave work and go rebuild my dual pIII server since i got a replacement drive. |
| 21:29.16 | fizz | work... projects... hmmmm. tough call. |
| 21:29.37 | peno | leave work |
| 21:30.56 | fizz | ok. awesome. leaving. |
| 21:34.49 | Heartsbane | fizz: smack Allred before you go |
| 21:35.51 | peno | twice. |
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| 21:37.53 | synic | what. |
| 21:37.55 | synic | fizz doesn't work here. |
| 21:38.23 | Heartsbane | oh thought he did |
| 21:38.35 | synic | nah, he's just here bugging us a lot |
| 21:39.52 | Zelut | sontek: I sure enjoy talking about pr0n over twitter ;) |
| 21:40.06 | sontek | Zelut: haha |
| 21:40.43 | sontek | Zelut: you should get the domain ubuntupr0n.com and just have it be a site for users to upload desktop screenshots |
| 21:41.01 | Zelut | sontek: but we got rid of those old wallpapers, remember :) |
| 21:41.18 | Zelut | actually I think they are still available in the repo |
| 21:41.23 | sontek | haha |
| 21:42.22 | Zelut | Results 1 - 10 of about 24,600 for ubuntu pr0n wallpaper. (0.26 seconds) |
| 21:42.23 | Zelut | lol |
| 21:44.02 | Zelut | maybe I should turn safe search off ;) |
| 21:48.21 | synic | Zelut: what's your boss's first name? |
| 21:48.23 | synic | Dan? |
| 21:49.01 | Heartsbane | Dax |
| 21:49.04 | sontek | Dax and Bryan |
| 21:49.16 | synic | k |
| 21:51.16 | sontek | synic: gonna become a guru? |
| 21:54.40 | synic | possibly. He said he was going to schedule me for a test teaching session this week. |
| 21:55.26 | sontek | nice, good luck =) |
| 21:55.34 | Zelut | synic: permissions? |
| 21:55.40 | synic | dunno |
| 21:55.58 | sontek | but then you won't get to work with nearn anymore! |
| 21:56.04 | Zelut | its usually on permissions.. rwx and all that. |
| 21:56.25 | synic | cool |
| 21:56.35 | synic | sontek: right. That's actually the point. I hate that bastard. |
| 21:57.50 | Zelut | synic: you'll get to join the world of not seeing co-workers (whether you love or hate them) for months at a time. |
| 21:58.34 | synic | mostly I'll get to join the world of not being a stressed out sysadmin. |
| 21:58.38 | synic | plus I like traveling. |
| 21:58.43 | peno | it's a nice thing, not seeing your co-workers. I haven't seen my boss since November. |
| 21:59.11 | sontek | yeah, i'm working on not getting to see my co-workers, started building the asterisk box today :P |
| 21:59.14 | nearn | synic: and I hate working with you! |
| 21:59.29 | Zelut | synic: yeah, I mention that to students all teh time. I get to play with it, which I enjoy, but no pagers & blackberries! |
| 21:59.52 | herlo | is the 8-5 sysadmin |
| 21:59.57 | herlo | no 2am calls |
| 22:00.04 | Zelut | herlo: +1 |
| 22:00.07 | herlo | "uh, we're down!" |
| 22:00.08 | synic | I get 2am calls. |
| 22:00.14 | synic | stab |
| 22:00.17 | Zelut | herlo: and if its not in the book you don't have to deal with it :) |
| 22:00.28 | herlo | Zelut: hehe, +2 |
| 22:00.35 | sontek | I work till 2am, get 3am calls, and still have to be in the next day at 9, and I love it! |
| 22:00.38 | sontek | ;) |
| 22:00.47 | herlo | sontek: you're crazy too |
| 22:00.54 | peno | I think sontek is on meth |
| 22:01.03 | Zelut | peno: no, just on suse |
| 22:01.04 | nearn | me too |
| 22:01.16 | sontek | Did you guys hear about that meth lab that had setup in a walmart parking lot? |
| 22:01.30 | sontek | they had one of those RV's parked in the back and just built a meth lab inside |
| 22:01.53 | herlo | sontek: ever seen "Breaking Bad"? |
| 22:01.59 | Zelut | synic: I think you'll have a good time.. particularly now that we've got the benefits added. |
| 22:02.14 | sontek | herlo: not yet, but Joe downloaded all the episodes so far, so i'll get it soon enough =) |
| 22:02.24 | herlo | its pretty good |
| 22:02.25 | synic | Zelut: assuming I get the job, hah. |
| 22:02.45 | synic | ... and if I do, I'll probably get killed by my boss while I sleep. |
| 22:02.48 | synic | so yeah. |
| 22:02.54 | sontek | lol |
| 22:03.02 | Yorokobi | Don't sleep at work, then. |
| 22:03.03 | herlo | synic: they've got to learn |
| 22:03.20 | synic | HE KNOWS WHERE I LIVE!! |
| 22:04.01 | Yorokobi | synic, isn't one of the benefits of working for GL that you'll rarely be home? Granted, there's a window for your boss to get you while you train ... |
| 22:04.39 | synic | oh right! |
| 22:07.39 | Zelut | now that we've got 401K and medical I think I could stay here for a while. |
| 22:07.56 | Zelut | one of the cool parts is that even if you have a total ass in one of your classes, its only for that week. |
| 22:08.09 | Zelut | every week you get a whole new batch of ass holes ;) |
| 22:08.11 | thaddeusq | Zelut: you've got medical insurance now? |
| 22:08.21 | Zelut | thaddeusq: beginning May 1, yes. |
| 22:08.39 | thaddeusq | considers calling Bryan again. |
| 22:09.09 | Zelut | thaddeusq: tell 'em I sent ya lol |
| 22:09.43 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I wonder what they would say if I said I sent myself. :) |
| 22:10.04 | Zelut | thaddeusq: in that case Dax gets the bonus |
| 22:10.27 | synic | sounds like some bonus splitting is in order. |
| 22:10.36 | throck | How many people here work for GL? |
| 22:10.58 | thaddeusq | doesn't work for GL. |
| 22:11.00 | Zelut | hmm. lets see... |
| 22:11.20 | thaddeusq | however, I've been told that once a guru, always a guru. |
| 22:11.32 | Zelut | 10-11 instructors I think.. |
| 22:11.40 | sontek | I still want to be a guru, but i'm gambling on orchid getting bought out and making me rich :P |
| 22:11.59 | sontek | crosses fingers |
| 22:13.11 | thaddeusq | I bought a lottery ticket once, hoping to get rich. It didn't work out so well. |
| 22:13.27 | herlo | there are now 14 ppl who work for GL |
| 22:13.27 | sontek | yeah, thats about how this is turning out right now |
| 22:13.53 | sontek | and our monkey is interviewing at other companies right now, which means we are going to have to hire a new monkey, or do the monkey work ourselves |
| 22:13.57 | Heartsbane | throck: did you mean in #ubuntu-us-ut or just at GL |
| 22:14.07 | thaddeusq | herlo: but not all of them hang out in slimy places like irc, right? |
| 22:14.09 | throck | I meant in #ubuntu-us-ut |
| 22:14.14 | Heartsbane | I think 6 |
| 22:14.30 | Zelut | its still really weird to think that , outside of the bosses, I'm #3 |
| 22:14.33 | herlo | thaddeusq: what are you saying exactly |
| 22:14.42 | herlo | Heartsbane: undertakingyou is on his way |
| 22:15.00 | thaddeusq | lets herlo draw his own conclusions |
| 22:15.06 | Zelut | throck: me, encryptz , herlo , tgelter, , redbeard.. thaddeusq used to. |
| 22:15.21 | synic | sjansen works there, doesn't he? |
| 22:15.24 | herlo | thaddeusq: I'm not sure, can't think that far ahead. just getting over this nasty cold stuff... |
| 22:15.25 | sontek | I've never met tgelter |
| 22:15.25 | Heartsbane | throck: encryptz, tgelter, Zelut, herlo, thaddeusq (ex-GL), ... ya what he said |
| 22:15.30 | Heartsbane | herlo: okay |
| 22:16.02 | throck | I bet it would be a sweet job, but I can't travel that much. |
| 22:16.03 | Zelut | synic: yeah, he's been there 100 years. |
| 22:16.24 | thaddeusq | Zelut: it's not 100 years, yet. only 90 |
| 22:16.41 | herlo | sjansen is our old nemesis, always keeping hold of his seniority |
| 22:16.42 | sontek | do you get a century bonus at GL? |
| 22:17.20 | Zelut | herlo: I say next we push for RHCA|SS training. |
| 22:18.09 | Zelut | I'd like to get the RHCS but I don't want to pay for 'em :) |
| 22:18.10 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I was pushing for that for myself when I was there. That worked as well as the lottery ticket. |
| 22:18.30 | Zelut | thaddeusq: as you can see a lot has changed since you left :) |
| 22:18.35 | sontek | thaddeusq: I'm starting to think you are unlucky |
| 22:18.39 | herlo | Zelut: I agree |
| 22:18.45 | Zelut | thaddeusq: makes me think it may not be impossible after all |
| 22:19.13 | herlo | Zelut: I agree about the RHCA/SS stuff |
| 22:19.54 | Zelut | herlo: I'm sure they could get RH to let us sit a class, it'd just be a matter of the time off. |
| 22:20.22 | thaddeusq | Zelut: I can get this type of abuse at home, so I think I'll go there. |
| 22:20.50 | herlo | Zelut: I think its the travel costs too, but Dax has to be willing to give something sometimes |
| 22:20.57 | sontek | ooh, thaddeusq thinks hes so cool because he can go home at the end of the day |
| 22:21.18 | Zelut | herlo: they have given quite a bit lately,. I want to give them credit. |
| 22:21.24 | sontek | herlo: Zelut: You guys are so needy! Just be happy you get to have a badass job! ;) |
| 22:21.39 | Zelut | herlo: it would be nice if we could all get certified and then start taking those classes too. |
| 22:22.27 | Zelut | s/taking/teaching/ |
| 22:22.43 | sontek | whats the RHCA/SS? |
| 22:23.18 | Zelut | sontek: https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhcss/ |
| 22:23.29 | Zelut | sontek: https://www.redhat.com/certification/rhca/ |
| 22:23.58 | herlo | Zelut: I heard that was the plan at one point. Not sure what happened there |
| 22:23.59 | Zelut | have to pass three additional courses to get the rhcss |
| 22:24.33 | herlo | Zelut: oh, I wasn't being pissy, just that we need to make sure its fair, that is all. |
| 22:24.42 | sontek | RHCA sounds awesome, security is boring to me |
| 22:25.24 | Zelut | I'd prefer the security, but looks like RHCA is the motherload of tests |
| 22:25.36 | Zelut | just because I'm interested in security |
| 22:25.57 | herlo | Zelut: that's funny, motherload has 'herlo' inside so irssi highlighted it for me :) |
| 22:26.10 | sontek | haha |
| 22:26.23 | Zelut | lol |
| 22:26.41 | herlo | thought you might like that |
| 22:29.29 | sontek | did you know you can spell tokens with sontek? =) |
| 22:31.33 | throck | Stupid question of the day: Do your irc clients do something special with the Ping/Pong requests. ie: ping Herlo or is it just a way to let someone know you want to talk to them and you have to catch it yourself? |
| 22:32.08 | sontek | throck: its just a way to get their IRC client to highlight their name and let them know you'd like to chit-chat |
| 22:32.59 | throck | I figured. Would be nice though that if my irc client saw "ping throck" it would play a special sound (like a sonar ping!) to let me know. |
| 22:33.03 | sontek | its like sending out a SYN packet and waiting for an ACK response |
| 22:33.19 | throck | Except sometimes the ACK comes hours later. :) |
| 22:33.29 | herlo | hehe, yeah |
| 22:33.46 | sontek | I could write an irssi plugin to do that, but most of us use it on a remote shell so we don't have access to sound anyways |
| 22:34.01 | Zelut | sontek: damned clogged interweb tubes! |
| 22:34.10 | throck | I'm using Pidgin right now. |
| 22:34.30 | throck | Guess I'm not as geeked up. :P |
| 22:35.07 | Zelut | lol, compiz running on my EeePC. |
| 22:35.10 | mrpull | pidgin makes a goofy sound for me when someone pings me |
| 22:35.13 | herlo | throck: Pidgin is just as good as anything else. Trouble is, when you travel, you can't keep a running log of messages... |
| 22:35.44 | throck | herlo: Aren't the channels logged anyway |
| 22:35.45 | herlo | have to close and reopen, there's irc proxies, like dircproxy which will do similar things, but I didn't like that as much |
| 22:35.53 | mrpull | preferences | sounds | "Someone says your screen name in chat" |
| 22:36.23 | throck | mrpull: of course. :) |
| 22:36.30 | mrpull | there is is! |
| 22:36.34 | mrpull | beee boooop |
| 22:36.57 | throck | Having a specific sound for "ping <username>" would be better. |
| 22:37.01 | sontek | I use irssi just because then I can shell in from my phone and chat |
| 22:37.08 | sontek | nothing like chatting on irc while riding a roller coaster |
| 22:37.28 | sontek | lives on the nerd edge |
| 22:39.19 | herlo | Heartsbane: are you coming over? |
| 22:43.34 | sontek | herlo: Heartsbane is having tea and crumpets with mheath tonight! |
| 22:45.12 | herlo | haha |
| 22:45.15 | peno | lol |
| 22:56.19 | *** part/#ubuntu-us-ut Gate (n=gate@unaffiliated/gate) |
| 22:56.24 | Zelut | LAG |
| 23:11.56 | fizz | so... ubuntu alt install disk wont let me partition a compaq smart array. hmmm. any hints guys? |
| 23:12.06 | *** join/#ubuntu-us-ut marx (n=marx@ip65-44-116-162.z116-44-65.customer.algx.net) |
| 23:12.10 | nearn | wicked |
| 23:12.26 | nearn | let bot does muti connections |
| 23:12.31 | synic | fizz: it doesn't detect it? |
| 23:12.56 | nearn | well, not really. I am just starting multi instances of the program. |
| 23:12.57 | fizz | it detects it. it says it cant figure out the geometry. |
| 23:13.14 | synic | how big is the disk? |
| 23:13.34 | fizz | 36.4gb |
| 23:13.45 | synic | heh |
| 23:13.59 | fizz | well... 18.2 x 2 |
| 23:14.21 | synic | fizz: software raid!! |
| 23:16.00 | fizz | nearn: you are still using your compaq as a ipcop, aren't you? |
| 23:16.06 | mheath | sontek: What? O.o |
| 23:17.08 | mheath | fizz: Might have to compile a custom kernel, or use a more versatile liveCD to partition it. |
| 23:17.21 | mheath | fizz: Have you had it working under Linux before? |
| 23:17.45 | fizz | with debian, yes. |
| 23:17.46 | nearn | I am. |
| 23:17.53 | nearn | why do you axe? |
| 23:18.07 | fizz | just wondering if you have gotten ubuntu to work on it before. |
| 23:19.20 | nearn | I have not ried. |
| 23:19.26 | nearn | tried* |
| 23:20.12 | mheath | fizz: I'd boot it into ubuntu, and see what the kernel message says where its recognizing the disk... |
| 23:20.23 | fizz | i guess it's time to break out the trusty ol' dapper drake. |
| 23:20.29 | mheath | erm |
| 23:20.31 | Heartsbane | sontek: I am |
| 23:20.33 | mheath | *I'd boot it into debian |
| 23:21.04 | mheath | hands Heartsbane a pastry, which they are apparently enjoying together O.o |
| 23:21.43 | Heartsbane | eff that |
| 23:23.10 | mheath | Indeed. |
| 23:26.37 | Zelut | Microsoft responded aggressively, saying that 'there is no such thing as free software. Nobody develops software for charity.' |
| 23:27.18 | Zelut | interesting. |
| 23:27.23 | mheath | Zelut: Where is that quoted in? |
| 23:27.41 | Zelut | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/257884103/article.pl |
| 23:28.31 | mheath | Zelut: Thats odd. |
| 23:28.58 | mheath | Microsoft might not like Free Software, but I've never heard them say something so obviously wrong in relation to its _existance_. |
| 23:29.21 | mheath | Generally Microsoft acknowledges it as competition. It is a very real threat to their business, and they acknowledge it as such. |