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| 03:41.09 | tonedevf | 44Minch0w |
| 03:42.01 | tonedevf | whoa, weird |
| 03:42.08 | tonedevf | lingering stuff in the clipboard |
| 03:42.58 | tonedevf | any recommendation for disk wiping tools? i see secure-delete & wipe |
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| 03:45.06 | Zelut | dd? |
| 03:47.30 | tonedevf | dd? |
| 03:47.48 | encryptz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.10 | Zelut | ~lart backticks |
| 03:48.10 | jbot | whacks backticks with the cluebat |
| 03:48.21 | Zelut | or badblocks.. |
| 03:48.49 | Zelut | badblocks -fw /dev/sda 100000 |
| 03:49.00 | tonedevf | yeah, no |
| 03:49.04 | Zelut | ** if you're a n00b and you're reading these commands, don't use them ** |
| 03:49.13 | tonedevf | zeroing a drive is not exactly securely wiping the data |
| 03:49.16 | sontek | my favorite tool is dban |
| 03:49.23 | sontek | its a bootable disk that'll wipe everything |
| 03:49.36 | sontek | 'Darik's Boot and Nuke' |
| 03:49.40 | tonedevf | right, i use dban a lot, but i need something for a running system |
| 03:49.55 | tonedevf | essentially dban for a running environment would be ideal |
| 03:50.08 | Zelut | I prefer urandom over zero, but it'll take longer of course |
| 03:50.20 | sontek | cat /dev/random > /dev/sda2 ;) |
| 03:50.22 | tonedevf | i suspect one of the two i found would be good, just looking for any opinions |
| 03:51.11 | Zelut | cat /var/log/messages > /dev/sdX .. that files usually big enough to royally screw things up too. |
| 03:51.45 | Zelut | actually, < is faster than cat if we really want to get into it. |
| 03:52.00 | Zelut | wonders where and how these ridiculously technical conversations come from :) |
| 03:52.25 | tonedevf | gee, asking about secure file deletion.... is that overly technical? |
| 03:52.43 | tonedevf | the answer for windows users is easy |
| 03:52.47 | tonedevf | sdelete.exe |
| 03:53.53 | tonedevf | looks like shred comes installed by default |
| 03:54.22 | tonedevf | but apparently y'all are more into cat ; ) |
| 03:54.36 | Zelut | yeah, shred works too if you want the 'easy' solution :) |
| 03:54.46 | Zelut | we tend to complicate things for the sake of complication. |
| 03:55.22 | tonedevf | or for the sake of entertainment |
| 03:56.09 | tonedevf | which is what irc was made for |
| 03:56.50 | tonedevf | there's really no other use for computers, actually. irc and maybe /usr/games/fortune |
| 03:57.39 | encryptz | how does not writing a 0 to every bit of the drive securely wipe data? what would be left? |
| 03:57.52 | encryptz | i thought that is what "shredding" the drive was... |
| 03:58.35 | undertakingyou | Anyone have any suggestions about PCI wireless cards that work well under Linux? |
| 03:58.50 | encryptz | writing zeros, then ones, then ones and zeros, etc, etc, etc |
| 03:59.03 | encryptz | basically, flipping bits |
| 03:59.34 | tonedevf | right.... flipping them randomly several times is much more secure than writing all zeros once |
| 04:00.12 | encryptz | but how? if the drive contains entire zeros, what data could repmain on the drive that you could extract? |
| 04:00.15 | Zelut | that's why I like badblocks. it takes a few patterns and re-wipes. |
| 04:02.25 | Zelut | lol, from the badblocks man page: "if you think youâre smarter than the badblocks program, you almost certainly arenât." |
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| 04:13.18 | encryptz | cocky, aren't they? |
| 04:13.34 | Zelut | encryptz: well they are probably correct in the usage they were describing. |
| 04:13.55 | Zelut | encryptz: they're talking about using that switch on data you want to keep :) I use it on server1 friday on data I want gone. |
| 04:14.34 | encryptz | so, i think it's time to give an honest try to mutt again |
| 04:15.40 | Zelut | I've been using it on my EeePC.. just because its small enough to manage at 800x480. |
| 04:16.24 | encryptz | i really only have a few requirements that frustrated me last time. if i can get a handle on them, i may end up using it permanently |
| 04:17.01 | encryptz | 1) managing multiple imaps accounts easily. last time i tried, it didn't seem intuitive and was overly complicated |
| 04:17.28 | encryptz | 2) manage opening folders under the account (IE: gmail labels) |
| 04:17.37 | encryptz | 3) GnuPG. 'nuf said |
| 04:18.10 | Zelut | i'm using it with multiple folders + GPG. I have my accounts forward to a single though so not sure about #1. |
| 04:18.34 | Zelut | it notifies me when an item hits a seperate folder too, so I don't have to manually monitor them. |
| 04:19.19 | encryptz | 4) i don't want to deviate far from defaults. in other words, no 500 lines muttrc. ã |
| 04:21.22 | encryptz | Zelut: recommend any good starting points for someone new to mutt? |
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| 04:23.56 | sontek | the most important thing i have in my muttrc is the ability to open emails up in links |
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| 04:24.05 | sontek | I hate it, but at work a lot of our clients send html emails |
| 04:24.20 | encryptz | hates html email |
| 04:24.49 | Zelut | my .muttrc has html email dumped via links, yeah. |
| 04:24.59 | Zelut | mutt really makes you notice html formatted email though. |
| 04:25.04 | encryptz | starts small, and works his way up |
| 04:26.29 | sontek | other than that, I'm still an evolution user, I just have mutt for when I want to shell in and get mail (ie don't have my laptop) |
| 04:38.05 | encryptz | if mutt is running on an ssh server, and there is a .wav file attached, how do i listen to it locally? |
| 04:38.11 | encryptz | or view an image? |
| 04:42.00 | sontek | encryptz: save the file from mutt and open it with whatever app you want |
| 04:42.25 | sontek | encryptz: with .wav's you can probably tell mutt to use mpg123 or some other console player |
| 04:42.28 | encryptz | so, an scp then |
| 04:42.29 | sontek | can't do much about images though |
| 04:53.00 | Zelut | yeah, scp or something for running it remotely. |
| 06:01.47 | findlay | much do about nothing |
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| 07:40.28 | tgelter | I'm running a lenovo t61 with the nv140 integraded video. I want to use a higher resolution on my tty's but can't seem to do so, can anyone explain what I need to do? |
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| 17:12.13 | encryptz | for opening my gmail inbox in mutt: c imaps://aaron.toponce@gmail.com? |
| 17:12.38 | encryptz | just hangs saying Connecting to gmail.com |
| 17:34.45 | Zelut | I think its user@gmail.com@imap.gmail.com |
| 18:25.16 | encryptz | so, question 1: can i manage multiple imaps aacounts? |
| 18:25.54 | encryptz | without having to c imaps://foo@bar? |
| 18:26.08 | encryptz | for every one |
| 18:27.31 | encryptz | or is that just how it's done? |
| 18:34.45 | sontek | encryptz: you use 'account-hook' |
| 18:35.20 | sontek | encryptz: http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html |
| 18:35.23 | sontek | look at 4.12 |
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| 23:37.49 | encryptz | sontek: cool. thx |
| 23:38.15 | encryptz | i think it's going to take some getting used to the interface |
| 23:38.37 | sontek | encryptz: yeah, I don't like the default interface |
| 23:38.44 | sontek | but once you enable threading and coloring its pretty nice |
| 23:39.20 | sontek | I think jQuery is my new favorite javascript library |
| 23:39.33 | encryptz | i think i need to learn the long way before building my muttrc |
| 23:39.34 | sontek | I like how YUI is layed out because its more logical for a programmer |
| 23:39.44 | sontek | but jQuery is just so simple |
| 23:40.14 | sontek | yeah, Thats how I built up mine, I used it and then would be like 'this sucks, I need threading' so i'd look up how to do it |
| 23:40.24 | sontek | and my muttrc slowly grew as I had needsd |
| 23:40.26 | sontek | needs* |
| 23:40.42 | encryptz | jquery an ajax library? |
| 23:40.53 | findlay | I have a local muttrc and one that I share between the several boxen I use |
| 23:40.54 | encryptz | really liked dojo |
| 23:41.41 | encryptz | findlay: mutt your default mua? |
| 23:41.44 | findlay | I have a cron job on my home server that zips up and posts my rc's every hour or so and the other boxen cron it over |
| 23:42.15 | findlay | so when I want to make a change to ~/.bashrc or ~/.vim/vimrc it gets auto propagated |
| 23:42.23 | encryptz | findlay: btw- how do you like the 50g? |
| 23:42.52 | findlay | encryptz: I've been using it only for mailing lists and gmail/google apps for everything else |
| 23:43.15 | findlay | encryptz: still need to reinstall the equation library :) |
| 23:43.21 | findlay | and some other goodies I found |
| 23:44.14 | encryptz | i noticed that they still haven't upgraded the screen resolution |
| 23:44.22 | findlay | yeah, the one downside |
| 23:44.24 | encryptz | which is a shame |
| 23:44.54 | findlay | although I think the 3D plotting and symbolic math is a little less than impressive compared with the TI 89 |
| 23:45.36 | findlay | that's part of the reason I got an epc, so I can just run gnuplot on there :-) |
| 23:45.36 | findlay | gnuplot+vim+eeepc = :-) |