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| 01:42.48 | nearn | what time is board game tuesday? |
| 01:48.38 | fizz | ohhhhhhh yeah. that's supposed to be tonight. heh. he never even told me where. |
| 01:50.01 | nearn | well if it is after 9:30 i can head over when i am done with my math class. |
| 01:54.13 | nearn | heh |
| 01:55.54 | herlo | nearn: 7pm |
| 01:56.05 | herlo | nearn: you could also come then, I have another guy coming about then |
| 01:56.06 | nearn | sad. |
| 01:56.15 | herlo | feel free to come late |
| 01:56.15 | nearn | ohh wrd. |
| 01:56.21 | nearn | were at? |
| 01:56.30 | fizz | nearn: carpool |
| 01:56.31 | herlo | nearn: check http://gamesutah.org for details |
| 01:56.42 | nearn | fancy |
| 01:56.53 | nearn | fizz: you driving? |
| 01:56.59 | herlo | nearn: we've been doing this for years |
| 01:57.09 | fizz | nearn: sure. |
| 01:57.16 | fizz | herlo: have room for my fiance and i? |
| 01:57.53 | herlo | sure |
| 01:58.14 | herlo | fizz: we might need to rearrange, but I've got a big couch and a big table, plenty of chairs. |
| 01:58.22 | herlo | fizz: mind you its settlers of catan |
| 01:58.45 | herlo | not to discourage, just inform |
| 01:59.24 | nearn | i have never played but it looks fun. |
| 02:00.48 | herlo | nearn: it is fun |
| 02:01.42 | nearn | hehe, i was reading the map and i read "cottonwood hospital media center" and not "cottonwood hospital medical center". |
| 02:02.19 | nearn | for a second I was like "who-ha next time i need to go to the hospital i am going there, it sounds far our" |
| 02:03.14 | nearn | but then i reread it and my dreams were crushed... |
| 02:05.26 | nearn | but yeah, if i dont have a bunch of homework after class then i will be there. |
| 03:39.06 | Yorokobi | atoponce, ping |
| 03:41.34 | atoponce | Yorokobi: pong |
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| 04:09.19 | findlay | I have a debian system here and how do I figure out how to add repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 04:10.07 | findlay | it seems to be something that's obvious to everybody who knows how but not to me, because I can't find anything helpful online |
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| 06:19.29 | Zelut | findlay: did you get your repository question figured out? |
| 06:20.09 | RedHeron | Speaking of repositories... is there a way to get a list of available packages from the command line? |
| 06:23.55 | findlay | Zelut: yeah |
| 06:24.37 | findlay | the epc microphone fix on the ubuntu wiki doesn't work |
| 06:24.45 | findlay | at least not with EeeOS |
| 06:28.01 | Zelut | findlay: EeeOS? |
| 06:30.05 | findlay | http://eeeos.interactivelaboratories.com/ |
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| 08:01.10 | Heartsbane | op #ubuntu-us-ut -Heartsbane |
| 08:01.31 | Heartsbane | sorry |
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| 08:01.53 | Heartsbane | atoponce: thx |
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| 08:06.50 | herlo | atoponce: you rock man |
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| 13:44.55 | Heartsbane | oh ok |
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| 16:05.23 | nearn | morning |
| 16:17.29 | tgelter | morning |
| 16:19.17 | herlo | morning |
| 16:21.23 | tgelter | herlo: do you actually use that travel tracking website you linked me to a while ago? |
| 16:21.31 | herlo | yes |
| 16:21.32 | tgelter | (they still spam me occasionally... =) ) |
| 16:21.41 | herlo | tgelter: have you tried it yet? |
| 16:21.46 | herlo | Zelut's on it |
| 16:21.54 | tgelter | bbl |
| 16:21.56 | herlo | not sure why you guys aren't. Its very confusing |
| 16:22.01 | herlo | tgelter: ah |
| 16:22.13 | herlo | tgelter: <--- must be teaching |
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| 16:29.41 | atoponce | i love how my sparc 400Mhz machine with 192MB of RAM is faster than my Pentium 700 with 384MB RAM |
| 16:32.57 | herlo | meh |
| 16:36.03 | nearn | that is kind of niffty |
| 16:36.52 | pr0l1 | much cheaper than soekris |
| 16:36.55 | Yorokobi | throw a mini-PCI wifi card in there (Atheros, of course) and pfsense and BAM! kick-A router/wifi |
| 16:37.11 | Yorokobi | pr0l1, yeah, a lot cheaper. |
| 16:42.14 | pr0l1 | Does anyone use SELinux on Ubuntu? I don't need help, I'm just wondering how supported it is before I commit to it |
| 16:42.39 | Yorokobi | pr0l1, last time I tried, it b0rked because of upstart |
| 16:42.59 | Yorokobi | SELinux and upstart don't play together. |
| 16:43.31 | pr0l1 | really? do you know what about it didn't work out? |
| 16:43.43 | Yorokobi | not specifically |
| 16:43.55 | Yorokobi | This was ~1 year ago that I tried it. |
| 16:44.49 | nearn | If i did not own a cisco 830 then I would srsly get one of those. |
| 16:44.55 | pr0l1 | I have a hard enough time with it on CentOS, I'm worried about using it on Ubuntu which doesn't have that level of support for it |
| 16:44.57 | Yorokobi | and since 7.10 has Novell's attempt at SELinux, I haven't tried it since. |
| 16:45.15 | pr0l1 | app armor? |
| 16:45.21 | Yorokobi | yeah, that |
| 16:47.54 | herlo | Yorokobi: I should point out that Ubuntu went away from app armor. And in this month's LJ article, there's a big reference to how app armor works in Ubuntu, kind of funny |
| 16:48.32 | Yorokobi | Went away or will go away with 8.04? |
| 16:50.15 | herlo | Yorokobi: I think it goes away in 8.04 and SELinux will be there, that's according to Zelut and my recollection |
| 16:50.45 | Yorokobi | huh, I may have to revisit SELinux with 8.04, then. |
| 16:51.20 | herlo | Yorokobi: its *much* better IMO. I'm sure AppArmor is great, but SELinux is much more stable and mature |
| 16:52.05 | Yorokobi | and how! :) |
| 16:54.39 | pr0l1 | yeah, that's encouraging |
| 17:14.03 | Heartsbane | Yorokobi: your thought on which is better; pfSense, IPCop, or IPfire |
| 17:14.15 | Heartsbane | s/thought/thoughts/ |
| 17:15.28 | Yorokobi | anything that uses OpenBSD's pf is best, IMHO. I've not used/looked at IPCop or IPfire |
| 17:16.18 | synic | wait, which one of you guys is Mike Basinger? |
| 17:16.27 | Heartsbane | none of us |
| 17:17.18 | synic | is he normally in here? |
| 17:17.29 | Heartsbane | sometimes he shows up |
| 17:17.52 | synic | what's his nick? |
| 17:18.05 | Heartsbane | TechnoViking or MikeB |
| 17:18.13 | synic | k |
| 17:19.07 | Heartsbane | +1 |
| 17:19.46 | nearn | dont do it synic |
| 17:20.12 | synic | shut your face, I'll do what I want |
| 17:20.52 | nearn | sell out. |
| 17:21.03 | synic | I'm not getting any money for this |
| 17:21.25 | Yorokobi | heh, synic must not be married. Otherwise, it'd be "I do what she wants" :) |
| 17:21.39 | synic | you are correct! |
| 17:22.32 | nearn | hahah |
| 17:29.19 | herlo | tristanbob__: ping |
| 17:35.42 | nearn | have you guys ever seen the basshunter music video about an irc bot? |
| 17:35.47 | nearn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX79tgB2PVk |
| 17:36.17 | nearn | if not ^^ |
| 17:37.46 | herlo | nearn: that's so 80s |
| 17:38.21 | nearn | yeah, it cracks me up still. |
| 17:39.52 | herlo | nearn: but the chick is hot |
| 17:49.42 | nearn | yes she is |
| 17:49.51 | nearn | but he is singing about a 'bot' |
| 17:50.02 | nearn | 'she can kick you, she can kick you so hard' |
| 17:50.17 | herlo | nearn: exactly |
| 17:50.57 | nearn | haha |
| 17:51.46 | nearn | my fav part is when he looks at the bounces and 'says' "ya, nobody can hit our bot" |
| 17:51.50 | nearn | rofl! |
| 17:54.35 | Zelut | herlo: SELinux is available in 8.04 but not standard. It's just in the ubuntu-hardened PPA for testing. |
| 17:54.59 | Zelut | herlo: if we can mature it (we need testers) we may be able to replace AppArmour in 8.10. |
| 17:56.39 | pr0l1 | what is PPA? |
| 17:57.02 | Zelut | personal package archive |
| 17:57.12 | pr0l1 | ah, gotcha |
| 17:57.39 | pr0l1 | isn't SELinux available in 7.10 too? |
| 17:57.41 | Zelut | it allows you to upload a package and launchpad will act as the repo on a user or team basis. |
| 17:58.12 | Zelut | pr0l1: only in permissive and not very well. |
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| 17:58.38 | Zelut | the packages in the ubuntu-hardened PPA have improved a lot. I'm running enforcing now in 8.04 alpha 5. |
| 18:00.57 | herlo | Zelut: okay, I couldn't remember, next time I'll have ti down, tx |
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| 18:28.59 | tgelter | herlo: yes, I'm teaching this week |
| 18:29.08 | tgelter | herlo: I just sent you a text message too... |
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| 19:11.06 | opapo | I keep getting an ssh_exchange_identification error when I try to ssh into a box |
| 19:12.16 | Zelut | sounds like that machine is blocking you by user or host/IP. |
| 19:12.41 | opapo | no firewall on the server |
| 19:12.50 | opapo | no entry in hosts.deny |
| 19:13.07 | opapo | is there another file I should look for ? |
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| 19:16.09 | pr0l1 | you might look to see if there's privilege separation in the sshd_config |
| 19:17.00 | Zelut | look for AllowUsers or, if you're connecting as root, PermitRootLogin yes|no. |
| 19:23.01 | opapo | pr0l1: privilege seperation is on |
| 19:23.22 | opapo | Zelut: I will try AllowUsers for the few users that need access to it. |
| 19:24.40 | opapo | AllowUsers did not work |
| 19:24.58 | Zelut | opapo: I always add AllowUsers myuser when I setup sshd. |
| 19:25.04 | Zelut | restart the service after adding it? |
| 19:25.08 | opapo | I did |
| 19:25.34 | pr0l1 | I think I was thinking of AllowUsers, opapo |
| 19:25.38 | pr0l1 | sorry |
| 19:27.42 | opapo | I have purged openssh-server and reinstalled it |
| 19:27.49 | opapo | still I get this problem |
| 19:28.08 | Zelut | nothing at all in hosts.allow|deny? |
| 19:28.39 | opapo | nothing uncommented in hosts.deny |
| 19:28.51 | pr0l1 | what's the machine you're trying to connect from? |
| 19:29.01 | opapo | virtual ubuntu 7.10 |
| 19:29.05 | pr0l1 | oh |
| 19:29.19 | opapo | I have 2 other virtual machines on the same box |
| 19:29.26 | opapo | none of them have problems |
| 19:29.47 | opapo | the sshd_config file is same |
| 19:29.54 | pr0l1 | so you're trying to connect from one virtual machine to the other? |
| 19:30.07 | opapo | no from laptop to virtual machine |
| 19:30.41 | pr0l1 | and your laptop is ubuntu? |
| 19:30.49 | opapo | yes |
| 19:30.52 | opapo | 7.10 |
| 19:33.46 | opapo | Zelut: I have "ALL : <my ip>" in hosts.allow |
| 19:34.05 | pr0l1 | and you're just using local (to the remote machine) authentication? |
| 19:34.48 | opapo | everything is shadow based if that's what you mean |
| 19:35.11 | pr0l1 | yes |
| 19:36.03 | pr0l1 | have you tried ssh'ing to localhost on that machine? |
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| 19:36.22 | synic | nearn: haha. |
| 19:36.28 | synic | nearn: better hurry and change it!! |
| 19:36.33 | nearn | thxz synic |
| 19:38.22 | opapo | I can ssh from server1 to server1 |
| 19:38.49 | opapo | here is the output from my ssh trial http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57597/ |
| 19:40.25 | opapo | do I need to delete authorized_keys? |
| 19:40.29 | opapo | on the server |
| 19:41.33 | pr0l1 | it's worth a shot, I suppose |
| 19:42.03 | opapo | didn't work |
| 19:42.59 | nearn | how do you change a password with nicklist? |
| 19:43.56 | atoponce | eh? you mean with nicklist.pl for irssi? |
| 19:44.06 | nearn | sorry, nickserv |
| 19:44.14 | atoponce | ahh |
| 19:44.28 | atoponce | /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 19:44.37 | atoponce | /msg nickserv password <new_password> |
| 19:44.43 | nearn | wicked |
| 19:44.55 | atoponce | err |
| 19:44.58 | atoponce | wait |
| 19:45.10 | nearn | yeah.. |
| 19:45.16 | atoponce | /msg nickserv set password <new_password> |
| 19:46.30 | opapo | I ssh to the box in a loop and every minute or so I get "Did not receive identification string from <my ip>" |
| 19:46.53 | nearn | far out atoponce |
| 19:47.21 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:51.50 | pr0l1 | opapo: it sounds like something to do with SSH (rather than hosts.deny, etc), but I'm at a loss |
| 19:52.20 | opapo | pr0l1, Zelut: thanks for your help |
| 19:52.32 | opapo | I'll continue to plug away at it |
| 19:53.39 | pr0l1 | good luck |
| 19:53.44 | opapo | I'll need it |
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| 20:20.32 | thaddeusq | opapo: You're absolutely certain there is no firewall coming into play? The ONLY time I've seen that error was with firewall issues. |
| 20:24.15 | thaddeusq | opapo: The other thing to check is permissions of /home/daniel as well as /home/daniel/.ssh |
| 20:24.24 | opapo | thaddeusq: I know for sure there is no firewall on the host server |
| 20:24.42 | opapo | I can get to one of the other virtual servers on the same box |
| 20:24.51 | thaddeusq | opapo: neither of those directories can be group or world writable |
| 20:24.57 | thaddeusq | or it will fail. |
| 20:25.09 | opapo | on the server? |
| 20:25.14 | opapo | I will check that |
| 20:25.34 | opapo | the permissions on those files shouldn't have changed |
| 20:29.23 | opapo | neither folder is world writable |
| 20:29.55 | thaddeusq | what about group writable? |
| 20:30.13 | opapo | .ssh is 600 |
| 20:30.38 | thaddeusq | and /home/daniel is what? |
| 20:30.44 | opapo | ~/ is 755 |
| 20:30.44 | jbot | ...but / is already something else... |
| 20:31.04 | opapo | /home/daniel/ is 755 |
| 20:33.14 | thaddeusq | Do those permissions match what the permissions are on the home directories on the servers that do work? |
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| 20:35.35 | opapo | both /home/daniel and /home/daniel/.ssh are 755 on the server that works |
| 20:38.15 | thaddeusq | opapo: I'm a little curious by your comment earlier "I know for sure there is no firewall on the host server" You do mean there is no firewall on the box you are trying to ssh to (not from) right? |
| 20:43.08 | opapo | sudo iptables -L shows that same for the client, virtual server, and host server |
| 20:43.18 | opapo | default allow all traffic |
| 20:44.19 | opapo | There is a network firewall between me and the host server, but the network guy said it isn't blocking traffic to that server |
| 20:46.45 | thaddeusq | I still stand by my earlier statement that the ONLY time I've seen that error was a firewall problem. |
| 20:47.00 | thaddeusq | And I have seen that error more than once. |
| 20:47.14 | opapo | I will check with my network guy again |
| 20:47.27 | opapo | I believe you |
| 20:48.03 | thaddeusq | I usually try a telnet to port 22 to rule out the firewall |
| 20:50.48 | opapo | when I do telnet <server ip> <ssh port> I get connected and then connection closed by foriegn host |
| 20:51.30 | thaddeusq | It's a firewall issue then. |
| 20:52.19 | opapo | I was just on the phone with my firewall guy and he said two of the firewalls/IPSs enroute are not blocking it |
| 20:52.29 | opapo | there is one more that could be blocking it |
| 20:52.42 | opapo | I will have to talk to that admin tomorrow |
| 20:53.18 | opapo | thaddeusq: I appreciate your experience and I hope I can get this resolved tomorrow |
| 20:53.19 | thaddeusq | You can try a "telnet localhost 22" |
| 20:53.29 | thaddeusq | to see what the result should look like. |
| 20:55.08 | opapo | I do a telnet <server ip> <port> to the virtual host from the physical host and I get the same thing |
| 20:55.47 | thaddeusq | then that would appear to me that it is a firewall issue on the virtual host. |
| 20:56.49 | opapo | I do sudo iptables -F and I still can't connect |
| 20:57.01 | opapo | on the virtual host |
| 20:57.27 | thaddeusq | on the virtual host can you do "telnet localhost <port>" |
| 20:57.38 | opapo | yes |
| 20:57.41 | opapo | and it works |
| 20:58.18 | thaddeusq | Are you running selinux or app armour? |
| 20:58.48 | opapo | what ever is default in ubuntu 7.10 |
| 20:59.15 | opapo | I was using denyhosts, but when it wasn't installed I still had this problem |
| 21:01.59 | thaddeusq | what does sudo apparmor_status show? |
| 21:02.32 | Yorokobi | have you checked /etc/hosts.deny already? |
| 21:03.24 | opapo | thaddeusq: 0 processes or profiles loaded |
| 21:03.41 | opapo | Yorokobi: nothing uncommented in /etc/hosts.deny |
| 21:05.35 | Heartsbane | and you have restarted sshd? |
| 21:06.23 | Heartsbane | could be a ACL on the switch, just a thought |
| 21:06.24 | opapo | Heartsbane: I have restarted ssh, reinstalled openssh-server, done sudo init 6 |
| 21:07.02 | thaddeusq | well, it's definitely not ssh (or else the telnet localhost wouldn't work) and it's definitely either firewall, tcpwrappers, or apparmor |
| 21:07.04 | opapo | what switch? I can't access the virtual server from the host server? |
| 21:07.28 | Heartsbane | oh I only saw server1 > server2 |
| 21:08.04 | opapo | Heartsbane: that's ok |
| 21:08.14 | opapo | I appreciate multiple eyes on this problem |
| 21:09.01 | opapo | thaddeusq: sudo iptables -F doesn't help |
| 21:09.16 | opapo | sudo apparmor_status shows nothing loaded |
| 21:09.27 | opapo | I don't know about tcpwrappers |
| 21:09.38 | Yorokobi | heh, does the virtual server have a routable IP? :) |
| 21:09.58 | synic | wow, PPA rocks. |
| 21:10.25 | nearn | PPA? |
| 21:10.40 | opapo | I can not tell you how bad I feel |
| 21:10.44 | thaddeusq | opapo: can you pastebin iptables -L |
| 21:10.46 | nearn | Philadelphia Parking Authority? |
| 21:10.57 | opapo | I had another virtual server with the same ip address |
| 21:11.08 | thaddeusq | Nice! |
| 21:11.14 | opapo | I can't believe I was that stupid |
| 21:11.23 | opapo | I am SOOOOOOOOOOO sorry |
| 21:11.30 | thaddeusq | ~lart opapo for being that stupid |
| 21:11.30 | jbot | gives opapo a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" for being that stupid |
| 21:11.39 | thaddeusq | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.41 | opapo | lol |
| 21:12.11 | synic | nearn: personal package archive. You can upload a debian source package to launchpad, and have it build debs for the various platforms Ubuntu supports. i386, amd65, etc. They'll host those packages for you as well. |
| 21:12.20 | synic | er.. |
| 21:12.21 | synic | amd64 |
| 21:12.26 | synic | amd65 is for weiners. |
| 21:12.32 | nearn | that is slick |
| 21:14.22 | nearn | I just remembered how awesome the command w is. |
| 21:27.42 | sontek | synic: thats almost catching up to the openSUSE Build service ;) |
| 21:27.55 | sontek | synic: except openSUSE build service will also build it for other distros =) |
| 21:30.57 | synic | for what other distros? |
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| 21:37.49 | sontek | synic: the ones I've seen are Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE, and Mandriva |
| 21:37.53 | sontek | they might support more though |
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| 22:08.05 | synic | sontek: got a url? |
| 22:11.54 | nearn | wow, as soon as i have something to release then I might have to use that. |
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| 22:40.42 | sontek | synic: http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service |
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| 23:52.33 | herlo | sontek: except they are never up to the current stuff in fedora |
| 23:55.53 | sontek | herlo: what do you mean? |
| 23:56.20 | herlo | sontek: whenever I look for something for fedora 8, the build service doesn't have the latest available |
| 23:56.31 | herlo | its usually at least one release older than the suse build. |
| 23:56.51 | sontek | herlo: thats the developers choice, just like all open source, the build service itself doesn't do that |
| 23:57.14 | sontek | herlo: once people start using it more, the developers will most likely keep their releases more up to date |
| 23:57.33 | sontek | herlo: mono is a great example of that, Fedora is way behind in mono |
| 23:57.34 | herlo | sontek: I understand that its the devs choice, I'm just pointing out that you claim they have all of the stuff and they don't always have it |
| 23:57.45 | sontek | herlo: I didn't claim they have any stuff |
| 23:57.52 | herlo | sontek: but its not, Fedora is actually bleeding edge |
| 23:57.55 | sontek | herlo: I said that they provide a way to build packages for all distros |
| 23:58.06 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.09 | herlo | 14:30 < synic> for what other distros? |
| 23:58.12 | herlo | 14:37 < sontek> synic: the ones I've seen are Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, SUSE, and Mandriva |
| 23:58.16 | herlo | sontek: sure, but they claim it... |
| 23:58.55 | herlo | but its a moot point, not sure why I even debate it |