| 01:10.43 | redbeard2 | i'm thinking about getting a new desktop manager. gnome is nice, but i can't help but feel that there might be something better. any non-kde suggestions? |
| 01:12.43 | findlay | enlightenment |
| 01:12.45 | herlo | redbeard2: enlightenment |
| 01:12.55 | herlo | xfce is nice, a bit clunky but nice |
| 01:13.08 | findlay | ~enlighten herlo |
| 01:13.10 | redbeard2 | herlo: link? |
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| 01:16.05 | herlo | redbeard2: for? |
| 01:16.37 | redbeard2 | herlo: enlightenment. i want to look at it. |
| 01:16.45 | herlo | redbeard2: google |
| 01:16.52 | herlo | its simple |
| 01:16.55 | herlo | you'll find it |
| 01:17.21 | redbeard2 | herlo: this it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightenment_%28window_manager%29 |
| 01:19.00 | herlo | redbeard2: probably |
| 01:19.21 | herlo | redbeard2: the gPC uses enlightenment |
| 01:19.50 | redbeard2 | herlo: the gPC? |
| 01:20.18 | herlo | its that cheap pc that sold out of walmart.com last year |
| 01:21.29 | redbeard2 | herlo: don't bother. i barely read the magazines that i do subscribe to. |
| 01:21.51 | redbeard2 | thanks for the thought tho |
| 01:24.12 | herlo | redbeard2: sorry, I love that mag, its really the only one I read from cover to cover |
| 01:24.23 | herlo | and its got Linux in it! |
| 01:24.38 | herlo | you could read it on the plane, or in your hotel when you aren't doing anything else :) |
| 01:25.58 | redbeard2 | herlo: i got me a couple of logic problem books for the plane. for some reason, i can never focus on any real reading on planes. |
| 01:26.09 | redbeard2 | and when i'm in my hotel room... i'm online |
| 01:27.05 | herlo | redbeard2: true for the hotel |
| 01:27.19 | herlo | redbeard2: but for the plane, you gotta put on the headphones and stop being a chatty cathy :) |
| 01:28.28 | redbeard2 | herlo: i do my part to keep people from talking to me on the plane. if offering them an ubuntu cd doesn't work, i offer them a book of mormon. |
| 01:30.50 | redbeard2 | i'm gonna hop into enlightenment. brb. |
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| 01:33.01 | redbeard2 | herlo: i'm not sure i like this, but i'm giving it a try |
| 01:47.37 | herlo | redbeard2: nice... |
| 01:48.06 | herlo | redbeard2: you don't like enlightenment? If not, try WindowMaker, that'll for sure make you like GNOME |
| 01:48.28 | redbeard2 | herlo: i'm not liking this. i'll hang with it for a little longer, but i'm guessing i won't stick with it. |
| 01:48.56 | herlo | try windowmaker, or fvwm or icewm as alternatives if you like |
| 01:52.02 | herlo | anyone konw a bunch about setting up reverse tunnels with ssh ? |
| 01:52.07 | herlo | atoponce: ping |
| 01:53.51 | redbeard2 | herlo: i have some instructions somewhere |
| 01:54.11 | herlo | redbeard2: yeah, me too. They just don't tell me what I am doing wrong |
| 01:54.16 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.12 | Heartsbane | atoponce: pong again |
| 02:07.46 | Heartsbane | atoponce: just shoot me a email, it would probabvly be better than IRC tag |
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| 02:23.34 | herlo | Heartsbane: ping |
| 02:23.59 | Heartsbane | yes |
| 02:24.14 | Heartsbane | herlo: pong |
| 02:24.18 | herlo | Heartsbane: can you come over here and help me with a serial port |
| 02:25.34 | redbeard2 | atoponce: do you know the aptitude equivilent of rpm -qf? |
| 02:27.05 | redbeard2 | atoponce: nm. found it. i think you told me about it recently too. |
| 02:31.27 | Heartsbane | redbeard2: there is no atoponce, there is only dead air |
| 02:35.08 | Claud-SLC | h8sbane has more than a loose serial port |
| 02:37.33 | Heartsbane | Hey Claud which one are you the pot or the kettle |
| 02:44.09 | Claud-SLC | hehe |
| 02:44.12 | Claud-SLC | phhhht |
| 02:44.15 | Claud-SLC | hey... |
| 02:44.26 | Claud-SLC | whe's the phishing trip coming up? |
| 02:44.36 | Claud-SLC | *when's |
| 02:55.42 | Claud-SLC | oops... dat was my sister |
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| 03:54.29 | Heartsbane | herlo: well |
| 03:54.44 | herlo | Heartsbane: I'll be over in 5-10 minutes |
| 03:55.01 | Heartsbane | k |
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| 04:24.06 | nearn | so shooting a sub-machine gun is kind of fun. |
| 04:25.27 | Heartsbane | k |
| 04:25.29 | Heartsbane | night |
| 04:25.54 | synic | gtfo!! |
| 04:32.59 | Gate | nearn: yeah, it can be |
| 04:35.28 | synic | http://phonese.cx/comments.php?3181 <-- nearn shooting an mp5 |
| 04:46.29 | Gate | that url is entertaining |
| 04:48.48 | atoponce | Heartsbane: pong |
| 04:49.13 | synic | Gate: hehe |
| 04:49.38 | synic | it's a cool site. You take a picture with your phone, email it to an address, and it gets posted on there. |
| 04:49.48 | atoponce | Heartsbane: Just wondering if/how to get with xmission. i would like to ping pashdown, but not sure how to approach it |
| 04:53.02 | synic | http://synic.phonese.cx/comments.php?2640 |
| 05:00.50 | herlo | atoponce: he's in #utos and #utah, just ping him |
| 05:01.31 | atoponce | i know. i just need to work out some details before i do |
| 05:02.11 | herlo | atoponce: oh, I see. |
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| 06:07.43 | nearn | that zombie escape picture is awesome. to bad they took them down at work. |
| 08:01.53 | fizz | nearn: you shoot with a chicken wing! heh. omeone needs to show you how it's really done! |
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| 16:08.11 | synic | I'm not really a fan |
| 16:08.16 | synic | it seems flawed. |
| 16:10.04 | atoponce | the logic is sound |
| 16:10.46 | synic | I dunno, depends on how this psuedo code's iterators work |
| 16:11.21 | synic | removing items from the array durning the loop seems like it'd probably jack it up a bit |
| 16:11.43 | synic | but since he made the language up, we'll never know |
| 16:12.04 | findlay | should be us, and it needs the belong part |
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| 16:12.46 | synic | tsk tsk. I think we should ban him for this craziness! |
| 16:12.52 | atoponce | well, assuming that yours and ours are differing arrays, i'm not seeing the conflict. one is safely removed, while another is safely added |
| 16:12.53 | synic | well, ok, maybe not |
| 16:12.57 | nearn | get funky style. |
| 16:14.37 | atoponce | uhh... |
| 16:14.43 | synic | here's a python example of why the logic is flawed: http://rafb.net/p/Cg2DCD34.html |
| 16:15.16 | atoponce | why am i installing latin, greek, finnish, hungarian, dutch, german, italian, spanish, etc language packs for ipthon??? |
| 16:15.49 | nearn | cause you want t program a german app? |
| 16:15.57 | atoponce | synic: ahh. good call |
| 16:16.10 | atoponce | didn't think about that, actually, but it makes perfect sense |
| 16:16.22 | atoponce | nearn: actually, i don't |
| 16:17.00 | atoponce | it also wants to install perl, latex, and a number of other packages |
| 16:17.08 | atoponce | that i doubt are related to ipython |
| 16:17.13 | synic | weird |
| 16:17.55 | atoponce | http://pastebin.com/m23d9b5ac |
| 16:18.20 | synic | gcc-3.4-base ? |
| 16:18.23 | synic | wtc |
| 16:18.32 | synic | perl-tk? |
| 16:18.38 | synic | that's really odd |
| 16:18.41 | atoponce | uhh... yeah |
| 16:18.44 | atoponce | you're telling me |
| 16:19.06 | pr0l1 | atoponce: I think it's much easier to install it with easy-install. Thats what I did after I saw all that apt wanted to install |
| 16:19.13 | atoponce | http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/python/ipython tells me what i should expect |
| 16:19.38 | atoponce | pr0l1: but what is causing this behavior? certainly, those aren't the package dependancies |
| 16:20.37 | pr0l1 | yeah, I couldn't tell you that. I just know I saw the same thing when I wanted to install it with aptitude |
| 16:21.06 | atoponce | so you confirmed it then, is what you're saying? |
| 16:21.51 | pr0l1 | yeah, I saw all the packages it said it wanted, and then took the lazy way and installed with easy_install |
| 16:22.24 | atoponce | yeah. i'd like to know what's causing it |
| 16:23.04 | synic | it's aptitude for some reason |
| 16:23.04 | synic | apt itself doesn't do it |
| 16:24.14 | atoponce | hmm |
| 16:24.22 | atoponce | apparently, aptitude installs recommended packages |
| 16:24.34 | atoponce | sudo aptitude -R install ipython |
| 16:24.58 | synic | ah |
| 16:25.04 | synic | good to know |
| 16:25.28 | atoponce | (removes recommendations) |
| 16:25.35 | atoponce | s/removes/doesn't install/ |
| 16:26.39 | atoponce | heh. install ipython with no X, and it will install |
| 16:26.41 | atoponce | X for you |
| 16:26.52 | atoponce | i don't think i like that "feature" |
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| 16:28.25 | atoponce | Gate: we were just analyzing your quit message, and we think it's flawed, unless of course, this is your own language, which of course you can do as you please. :) |
| 16:29.14 | pr0l1 | atoponce: same here. I started using aptitude based on the recommendation on your blog :) |
| 16:30.24 | atoponce | :) |
| 16:30.44 | atoponce | i really didn't know about that feature. i'll definitely be blogging it, and it's lack of sanity |
| 16:30.51 | Gate | atoponce: it wasn't necessarily intended to be in any specific language |
| 16:32.11 | atoponce | of course. |
| 16:32.19 | atoponce | entertaining, however |
| 16:32.27 | synic | Gate: well, see here: http://rafb.net/p/Cg2DCD34.html |
| 16:32.41 | atoponce | and the do | !do quit message was good too |
| 16:33.08 | Gate | synic, atoponce, I think do | !do is on my perma-agent gatewarstrek |
| 16:33.52 | gatewarstrek | boo |
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| 16:34.20 | Gate | bah! |
| 16:34.24 | Gate | apparently not |
| 16:34.25 | synic | d'oh |
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| 16:36.56 | Gate | hm |
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| 16:48.37 | atoponce | chown -R us. base/ |
| 16:53.01 | Gate | mine is a foreach loop, isn't it? |
| 16:53.25 | atoponce | yeah |
| 16:55.36 | atoponce | 08:51 ::: Gate [n=gate@unaffiliated/gate] has quit ["Foreach(base b in yours) { yours.Remove(b); ours.Add(b);}"] |
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| 16:57.50 | Gate | actually, I think that would work perfectly in C# |
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| 17:08.21 | atoponce | Gate: i don't think it will, actually. the first time through, b is pointing to yours[0], but then you remove it from the array in the loop |
| 17:08.48 | atoponce | which makes yours[1] now yours[0]. however, you increment your counter, so you're now looknig at yours[1] which used to be yours[2] |
| 17:08.56 | atoponce | in other words, you're skipping every other one |
| 17:09.55 | atoponce | unless c# treats its arrays differently |
| 17:16.18 | Gate | I think it does. |
| 17:16.33 | Gate | I will have to implement it and see if it works now ^^ |
| 17:42.06 | nearn | HAHA! it works again. |
| 17:46.08 | atoponce | nearn: what works? |
| 17:46.47 | Gate | nearn: huh? |
| 17:47.39 | nearn | the hosting company for my server finally got the routing issue fixed. |
| 17:48.03 | atoponce | ahh |
| 17:48.18 | nearn | sorry, I was a little excited. i was not able to rad irc for about an 1.5 hours. |
| 17:48.47 | atoponce | heh |
| 17:48.50 | nearn | read* |
| 17:48.57 | atoponce | you know you're in trouble when you can't get to irc |
| 17:49.23 | nearn | thats what i get for funning my irc client on m server. |
| 17:49.42 | nearn | what the 'crap'. I can not type today. |
| 17:49.59 | atoponce | the dvorak lessons while he's at it |
| 17:50.18 | nearn | ohh yeah, well take this. |
| 17:50.49 | *** mode/#ubuntu-us-ut [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
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| 17:51.05 | atoponce | lame |
| 17:51.18 | Yorokobi | lol, sabre rattling are we, atoponce ? |
| 17:51.24 | nearn | was that you trying to make a threat? |
| 17:51.39 | atoponce | stupid irssi alias not working |
| 17:51.47 | nearn | sure sure |
| 17:53.21 | *** mode/#ubuntu-us-ut [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 17:53.23 | *** kick/#ubuntu-us-ut [nearn!n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce] by atoponce (let's try this again) |
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| 17:53.30 | atoponce | hah |
| 17:53.51 | *** mode/#ubuntu-us-ut [+o atoponce] by ChanServ |
| 17:53.54 | *** kick/#ubuntu-us-ut [Yorokobi!n=aaron@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.bronze.atoponce] by atoponce (you too) |
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| 17:55.18 | nearn | ohhh, mr big man. |
| 17:55.49 | atoponce | heh. i thought everyone ran autorejoin.pl with irssi |
| 17:55.57 | atoponce | it should almost be installed by default |
| 17:56.23 | nearn | i dont think so. |
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| 17:59.58 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:00.09 | atoponce | that must mean there's a big con planned. i'm in |
| 18:01.50 | Yorokobi | Had I ops, I would throw down the gauntlet. Alas ... |
| 18:30.22 | findlay | consider it thrown |
| 18:30.56 | findlay | not really parabolic |
| 18:31.05 | findlay | the true story is elliptical |
| 18:31.45 | findlay | and then there's a singular parabolic trajectory *which will escape the gravity well of the massive body* and then the rest is hyperbolic |
| 18:34.13 | Yorokobi | findlay, are you calling atoponce fat? |
| 18:36.30 | findlay | no, but the parabolic path is right on the borderline between containment and escapement |
| 18:39.12 | atoponce | heh |
| 18:39.33 | atoponce | "i'm not fat, i'm parabolic" |
| 18:40.25 | synic | http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/5925/2224rx0.jpg |
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| 18:55.40 | atoponce | so, i noticed that you can't append a runlevel after the kernel in GRUB. it completely ignores it. any ideas why? |
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| 19:00.08 | nearn | atoponce: is this what you kernel line looks like? |
| 19:00.13 | nearn | "kernel /boot/bzImage-2.6.8-r7 root=/dev/hda3 softlevel=new-runlevel |
| 19:00.21 | nearn | - the " |
| 19:01.06 | atoponce | i have to type "softlevel=1" for example? |
| 19:01.10 | atoponce | not just '1'? |
| 19:01.54 | nearn | from what i remember yes. |
| 19:04.38 | atoponce | hmm. the kernel should be able to pass just the number |
| 19:04.53 | atoponce | in either case, neither is working |
| 19:05.32 | nearn | lame |
| 19:06.03 | atoponce | i'm going to blame upstart |
| 19:06.56 | nearn | blame synic, that allways works for me. |
| 19:11.24 | atoponce | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/85014 |
| 19:13.20 | atoponce | lame |
| 19:13.54 | atoponce | ouch |
| 19:14.14 | atoponce | S only works which takes you to sulogin |
| 19:14.39 | atoponce | upon sulogin, if the root password is set, it asks for it |
| 19:15.03 | atoponce | IN PLAIN TEXT ECHOED TO STDOUT |
| 19:15.53 | atoponce | which isn't the case if 'telinit S' is run |
| 19:16.20 | atoponce | ubuntuK we have some problems |
| 19:16.30 | atoponce | s/K/:/ |
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| 20:16.33 | Yorokobi | *sigh* when will the state legislators learn that laws are not the answer to protecting children from the dangers of the Internet. |
| 20:19.06 | pr0l1 | when we stop electing them for making silly laws like that |
| 20:20.46 | Yorokobi | That would require an electing body that knows the difference between a smart law maker and a smart politician. |
| 20:21.23 | atoponce | it should be a rule that every politician placed in office needs to remove 2 laws off of the books if he/she is going to pass 1 |
| 20:21.39 | atoponce | let's remove the code bloat that plagues our courts |
| 20:21.59 | Yorokobi | I'm still in favor of a litmus test for every candidate. |
| 20:22.51 | pr0l1 | Yorokobi: you referring to the slashdot article? |
| 20:23.05 | Yorokobi | yup |
| 20:23.24 | pr0l1 | yes, I love it when Utah makes slashdot :) |
| 20:24.14 | Yorokobi | Another jewel: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2736672 |
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| 21:20.46 | nearn | "The slower drivers can either change lanes or pull off to the side of the road." |
| 21:21.24 | nearn | i am wondering why the people behind the slow car dont change into the'faster' lane. |
| 21:29.32 | herlo | nearn: because the people driving the slow car, are already in the fast lane |
| 21:30.22 | herlo | s/,// |
| 21:31.25 | nearn | point taken. |
| 21:33.59 | herlo | nearn: the comments on tha tpost seem to indicate the same thing |
| 21:35.05 | nearn | yeah... you assume i read the peoples responce to that article. |
| 21:36.04 | herlo | yeah, but I knew that before reading them |
| 21:36.31 | herlo | I was mentioning to a friend of mine that Utah is *not* the worst place I've ever driven |
| 21:40.35 | nearn | reading the comments to articles on ksl.com is almost like reading the utah raver message board. |
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| 22:12.24 | Heartsbane | atoponce: ping |
| 22:12.45 | Heartsbane | atoponce: bah I just sent you PM, a long one of my ideas |
| 22:12.58 | Heartsbane | atoponce: feel free to touch base with me about them later |
| 22:15.03 | atoponce | Heartsbane: you did? i don't see the pm |
| 22:15.18 | atoponce | ahh. you're not identified to nickserv |
| 22:15.21 | atoponce | that's why |
| 22:17.03 | Heartsbane | Well crap |
| 22:17.18 | nearn | atoponce: no I am not. |
| 22:17.23 | nearn | I hate nickserv |
| 22:17.32 | nearn | err wait. |
| 22:17.38 | atoponce | nearn: and why's that? |
| 22:17.46 | nearn | i just wanted to say that. |
| 22:17.49 | atoponce | ahh |
| 22:17.53 | atoponce | ~hate nearn |
| 22:17.54 | jbot | Hey atoponce, ,,|, |
| 22:17.58 | atoponce | heh |
| 22:18.05 | nearn | hehe |
| 22:18.50 | Heartsbane | atoponce: jabber |
| 22:20.14 | Heartsbane | Zelut: Congrats |
| 22:22.02 | herlo | Heartsbane: ping |
| 22:32.38 | Heartsbane | herlo: pong |
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| 23:38.57 | findlay | chopsticks! |
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