| 00:10.51 | herlo | atoponce: pm |
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| 02:06.54 | Gate | hm, I think I am getting paranoid |
| 02:07.51 | Gate | Either Microsoft's website is a) under one hell of a DOS attack, 2) hates linux/firefox users (most likely?) or 3) is just generally going on- and off-line. |
| 02:08.27 | linuxalien | I just tried it. Can't load it on a Mac either |
| 02:17.09 | Gate | hahahahaha |
| 02:17.26 | Gate | I wonder if it is buggering with other platforms or just experiencing random downtime |
| 02:18.42 | mheath | It works fine for me. |
| 02:18.53 | Gate | mheath: what platform? |
| 02:18.57 | Gate | it worked off and on for me |
| 02:18.59 | mheath | I'm on Windows at the moment, but using Firefox (3 Beta 3, evening) |
| 02:19.16 | Gate | ooooh, how are you liking FF3? |
| 02:19.24 | Gate | I have DLed it, but not used it much |
| 02:19.37 | linuxalien | Microsoft is loading now |
| 02:19.39 | linuxalien | for me |
| 02:19.52 | mheath | Gate: It's OK. |
| 02:20.07 | mheath | Gate: Not too noticeable of improvements, really... |
| 02:20.22 | mheath | Gate: I like the new look on Windows for the nav bar, but that doesn't apply in Linux where it now uses the GTk theme |
| 02:20.45 | mheath | Gate: The new Places Bar or whatever they're calling it (the advanced history dropdown) is pretty cool |
| 02:20.50 | mheath | Performance has been OK |
| 02:20.56 | mheath | I did have it start to eat memory once |
| 02:21.05 | mheath | Left it idle for a few hours, came back and it was using 80% CPU and most of my memory. |
| 02:21.14 | mheath | just sitting on a few websites |
| 02:37.58 | atoponce | that's standard with that browser |
| 02:38.08 | atoponce | it's supposed to be getting better, but it definitely isn't |
| 02:38.12 | atoponce | firefox is bloat crap |
| 02:38.16 | atoponce | run epiphany |
| 02:41.20 | herlo | atoponce: but epiphany doesn't have plugins |
| 02:41.25 | herlo | extensions |
| 02:41.36 | herlo | or personal bookmark bar |
| 02:42.15 | atoponce | yes it does |
| 02:42.22 | atoponce | it has plenty of extensions |
| 02:42.44 | atoponce | adblock, python console, mouse movement garbage, etc |
| 02:42.47 | herlo | how do you install them? I've looked for a way to do that? |
| 02:42.50 | atoponce | a pretty decent list beyond that |
| 02:43.37 | atoponce | they're built right into the browser |
| 02:43.57 | atoponce | Tools |
| 02:44.04 | atoponce | -> Extensions |
| 02:45.31 | synic | you have to install epiphany-extensions |
| 02:46.25 | atoponce | really? in ubuntu? i swear i just installed the epiphany-browser package |
| 02:47.09 | synic | hrmm, if that's true, I wonder what's in the epiphany-extensions package. |
| 02:47.47 | atoponce | well, it shows i have the epiphany-extensions package installed... |
| 02:47.55 | atoponce | odd. i don't remember installing it. maybe i did |
| 02:47.57 | atoponce | meh |
| 02:51.34 | herlo | hehe, that explains a lot |
| 02:51.50 | herlo | atoponce: but it doesn't have the personal toolbar folder |
| 02:52.04 | herlo | its a nice browser |
| 03:03.03 | mheath | Has anyone here used VirtualGL before? |
| 03:03.51 | mheath | I'm wondering if it's performance for something like a real time 3D game is bearable |
| 03:04.08 | mheath | Stuff on the internet seems to hint that it is, but I can't find any concrete evaluation of it's use for anything other than CAD apps and such |
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| 04:09.19 | Gate | mheath: nope. Are you looking for a graphics system for a game or are you evaluating that one? |
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| 04:37.51 | tonedevf | according to the Switching to Ubuntu From MacOS guide, "Ubuntu can read .sitx.... archives" |
| 04:38.20 | tonedevf | but i'm not seeing any builtin support for this. is file roller supposed to handle these? |
| 04:40.15 | tonedevf | bah! |
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| 05:13.24 | mheath | Gate: It's not a graphics system for a game. |
| 05:13.38 | mheath | Gate: It's not the same thing as OpenGL, it's a compliment to OpenGL |
| 05:13.49 | mheath | Gate: It allows for OpenGL to be shared over the network with decent speeds |
| 05:14.00 | mheath | Gate: Basically, OpenGL stuff is rendered on a server using a graphics card on the server |
| 05:14.18 | mheath | Gate: Then, compressed images of the rendering is sent over the network to the client, which displays them |
| 05:14.39 | mheath | Gate: It's very quick, and benchmarks as the best way for network-shared OpenGL in many situations |
| 05:15.06 | mheath | THough, I'm not convinced of its performance with something like a real time game, until I try it out. |
| 05:15.53 | Gate | interesting |
| 05:16.53 | mheath | All of the official, accurate benchmarks are for stuff like CAD and 3d modeling environments |
| 05:16.56 | mheath | Slower stuff |
| 05:17.09 | mheath | Though, their instructions do have hints on getting it to work with certain games |
| 05:18.41 | mheath | Something similar to this is crucial for a project I'm working on |
| 05:30.23 | Gate | well, real time games use a few frames per second of state data to generate 30-90 FPS graphically, the network is inherently slower (it IS IO) and less reliable than hardware processing. The reason that 3d rendering gains so much from distributed processing is that there are large amounts of predefined data that can be farmed out in advance concurrently. The same is not true of realtime dynamic graphics |
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| 05:31.33 | Gate | what you would have to do is a branching prediction system like processors use. Unfortunately, even in a game as simple as tremulous, there are billions of possible new configurations per frame |
| 05:32.19 | Gate | so: in short I don't think you will see a speed advantage, in fact you might see a disadvantage |
| 05:32.42 | Gate | unless you want to render 10000 frames per second or something |
| 06:13.32 | findlay | atoponce: I'm at UVSC |
| 06:14.25 | findlay | for this semester only, yeah! |
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| 15:05.21 | synic | So... at the debian packaging meeting, did any of you learn how to create two packages, one for the main application, and one for the translatioins? |
| 15:05.31 | synic | s/ioi/io/ |
| 15:21.08 | Zelut | morning |
| 15:32.21 | atoponce | morning |
| 15:33.59 | atoponce | Zelut: how do you do tunneling with epiphany? i'm not seeing where i can change the connection settings |
| 15:34.09 | atoponce | or, do i have to do it globally for gnome? |
| 15:34.22 | Zelut | atoponce: haven't found how to tunnel just epiphany |
| 15:36.19 | atoponce | that'll be the one thing that keeps me from using it full time |
| 15:36.25 | Zelut | I find that most things I have open are google reader / gmail, etc which I force encryption with my googlesecure.js |
| 15:36.46 | atoponce | yeah. but what about logging into your blog? do you have https:// setup there? |
| 15:37.04 | Zelut | no. i hear that's actually a pain in wordpress. |
| 15:37.31 | atoponce | if you have openid, it redirects to your provider, which is all done securely, but i'm having issues with it on my blog |
| 15:38.02 | Zelut | it seems to be working still on mine, which is what I've been using to login. |
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| 17:40.48 | nearn | mornig |
| 17:41.07 | Zelut | morning |
| 17:41.24 | Heartsbane | nearn: mornig |
| 17:41.43 | nearn | how goes it today? |
| 17:42.07 | Heartsbane | I take Wednesdays off so it is alright |
| 17:42.20 | Zelut | I'm doing some upgrade testing from 7.10 to 8.04 |
| 17:42.46 | nearn | ewwww |
| 17:43.32 | Heartsbane | nearn: go superglue cyclone's keyboard to his desk |
| 17:44.05 | nearn | .... |
| 17:44.07 | nearn | '/n |
| 17:44.10 | nearn | err |
| 17:44.45 | nearn | he is logged into this channel.... he can read logs..... I think I will not do that now. |
| 17:44.59 | Heartsbane | whoose |
| 17:46.08 | nearn | aaron is. |
| 17:46.38 | nearn | btw, if you are intersted. The defcon 1 key note archives are up now. |
| 17:46.45 | nearn | 15* |
| 17:47.29 | nearn | http://defcon.org/html/links/defcon-media-archives.html |
| 17:48.20 | mheath | At the root of the M1EP line is the Home Media Server, an extremely powerful computing server that stores, processes, and renders a multitude of traditional computing, gaming, and multimedia applications, and makes them available over a high-speed wired and wireless network for use by a host of frontend devices. |
| 17:48.26 | mheath | oops, I pasted that into the wrong window |
| 17:48.32 | mheath | sorry... |
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| 17:55.23 | nearn | haha |
| 17:55.26 | nearn | tell us more! |
| 18:17.49 | mrpull | what's up mheath? ho go the wedding plans? |
| 18:22.19 | mheath | mrpull: Going good. Getting married on June 21st. |
| 18:23.15 | mrpull | awesome. that's a fun/crazy/scary/crappy/exciting/fun time of life. |
| 18:37.10 | mheath | Yep. |
| 18:39.05 | mheath | my task-of-the-week, apparently. |
| 18:53.16 | mrpull | I've got a copy of "Print Shop" from my old IBM PS/2 |
| 18:53.29 | mrpull | I think it had a template for announcements |
| 18:57.17 | thaddeusq | Print Shop made awesome banner signs on continuous feed paper. |
| 18:57.57 | Yorokobi | Wow, I just had a flash back to 4th grade. |
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| 19:00.14 | atoponce | Yorokobi: sitting in class in your underpants? |
| 19:00.31 | atoponce | :) |
| 19:01.06 | Yorokobi | nah, playing with Print Shop and continuous feed paper. |
| 19:01.21 | Yorokobi | atoponce, I wasn't picked on *that* badly :) |
| 19:05.59 | atoponce | i always hated that dream as a kid. so freaking real |
| 19:06.26 | atoponce | i'd like to know, however, what causes that dream. every kid has had it, yet, it's not like you see kids in school in just their underpants |
| 19:09.53 | mrpull | there just isn't an easy way to make those long banners without continuous paper |
| 19:27.18 | Yorokobi | mrpull, tape and a steady hand. |
| 19:27.22 | Yorokobi | lots of tape |
| 19:27.49 | herlo | atoponce: its parents |
| 19:28.34 | herlo | atoponce: parents inform us that nakedness is bad, then we fear it, then we have dreams about something just as bad... |
| 19:29.05 | atoponce | but we don't have dreams being naked. just no pants |
| 19:46.48 | herlo | atoponce: right, because that would be worse than showing up to school in unders |
| 20:27.47 | mrpull | my little boy (finally) made the transition from diapers to "big boy" underwear. On his first day back to pre-school he dropped trou and showed the whole class his Lightning McQueens. |
| 20:28.21 | mrpull | and it created a domino effect of 3YRO's showing their undies |
| 20:28.34 | mrpull | I didn't see it, but it looks hilarious in my mind |
| 20:28.34 | Zelut | lol |
| 20:28.59 | mrpull | point is, the school in just underwear nightmare must not plague him yet. |
| 20:31.47 | herlo | mrpull: probably because you haven't gotten after him enough times yet... :) |
| 20:32.20 | mrpull | I get after the poor kid for too many other things. That was just funny in my mind. |
| 21:07.31 | atoponce | haha |
| 21:07.33 | atoponce | that's great |
| 21:13.59 | atoponce | just had to: http://qdb.us/143405 |
| 21:21.29 | nearn | that is funny |
| 21:21.51 | nearn | I lawled |
| 21:24.04 | atoponce | http://qdb.us/56901 <-- priceless |
| 21:24.50 | Zelut | lol |
| 21:25.38 | atoponce | seriously. i could waste more time on that site... |
| 21:43.01 | nearn | the one about racisim is the best. |
| 21:43.26 | nearn | I would link it in here but its to wrong to be presented around such nice people |
| 21:43.31 | atoponce | for today's xkcd: http://qdb.us/117518 |
| 21:43.44 | atoponce | isn't that what the purg is for? :) |
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| 22:22.26 | mrpull | atoponce: ah man, of all the stupid things I've said... I guess that one isn't so bad |
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| 22:48.01 | atoponce | i think it's great |
| 22:58.18 | atoponce | http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/238344439/ |
| 22:58.59 | atoponce | amd, intel, nvidia, sun and real networks are being sued by implicit neworks for violation of Implicit's patent for "Methods and System for Demultiplexing a First Sequence of Packet Components to Identify Specific Components Wherein Subsequent Components are Processed without Re-identifying Components." |
| 22:59.04 | atoponce | huh? |
| 23:04.08 | nearn | wow |
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| 23:09.27 | nearn | isnt that almost a standard with most high end processing boards? |
| 23:18.10 | atoponce | what? components identifying specific components wherein subsequent components are processed without reidentifying components? |
| 23:18.16 | atoponce | uh, yeah. :) |
| 23:19.28 | synic | I'm totally a pro at doing that. |
| 23:19.37 | synic | I hope I don't get sued |
| 23:20.52 | atoponce | ~sue synic |
| 23:20.53 | jbot | ACTION sends an entire multinational firm after synic, determined to reduce synic to absolute nothingness |
| 23:31.33 | linuxalien | doh! |
| 23:31.38 | linuxalien | I was kidding! |
| 23:31.52 | linuxalien | I'm going to install Xubuntu in Vmware, I swear! |
| 23:32.02 | atoponce | you keep saying that |
| 23:32.10 | atoponce | yet, you still keep running mac |
| 23:32.11 | atoponce | :) |
| 23:32.26 | linuxalien | I had it installed, but Q is not as nice as Vmware so I'm going to install it again. :) |
| 23:32.32 | linuxalien | Hey, at least OS X is Unix now |
| 23:32.44 | linuxalien | Sure, it's fluffy on the outside but inside it's crunchy! |
| 23:32.54 | atoponce | *unix* not *linux* |
| 23:34.01 | linuxalien | True, hence the Fusion. I somehow need to print since Samsung won't update their drivers for my laser printer for Leopard. Linux doesn't have that problem though. |
| 23:37.18 | linuxalien | I've got Mandriva on my desktop but I'm probably going to install Kubuntu there. That reminds me... I need to download that puppy. |
| 23:38.03 | linuxalien | Mandriva is quite nice, especially with the servers from the Penguin Liberation Front. |
| 23:38.07 | linuxalien | You should see their logo |
| 23:38.13 | linuxalien | http://plf.zarb.org |
| 23:38.38 | linuxalien | Still, Ubuntu is very nice. It would be good to learn for a work environment |
| 23:40.58 | atoponce | mandriva in as on waiting to die |
| 23:41.23 | linuxalien | They're kinda popular in europe no? |
| 23:41.27 | atoponce | seriously. they have too many directions, and not enough developers. thus, in my opinion, it's a very sloppy distro |
| 23:41.30 | atoponce | dunno |
| 23:41.52 | linuxalien | It works fine on my machine but I don't mess with the inner workings. |
| 23:42.51 | atoponce | it runs fine, because they've heavily patched the kernel, made work-arounds for drivers and hacked config files |
| 23:42.55 | atoponce | it's a mess |
| 23:43.15 | atoponce | i ran it before ubuntu, and it didn't last very long |
| 23:44.30 | atoponce | it's worse than suse, and that's saying something! :) |
| 23:45.34 | linuxalien | hehehe I've run SuSE before. I also did gentoo for a while. I kept breaking gentoo, or it broke itself. I couldn't figure out which. |
| 23:45.55 | atoponce | at least gentoo is clean |
| 23:46.08 | atoponce | clean configs. sane defaults. nice kernel. etc |
| 23:46.54 | linuxalien | Yeah, definitely. I learned how to set up and compile and install a kernel. I know a bit about what stuff in /etc does now too |