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| 00:09.54 | Zelut | folding-0.6 is going to be ready by the end of the week. w00t |
| 00:10.16 | Zelut | added local and remote backup and restore functionality |
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| 00:19.25 | Zelut | I need to rewrite the --deploy feature, its really not very robust :( |
| 00:19.35 | synic | wtf is folding? |
| 00:21.38 | tapH20guru | zelut: you doing ubuntu packages for folding with PPA? |
| 00:21.50 | synic | PPA hates me. |
| 00:24.10 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 00:33.09 | Zelut | tapH20guru: I'm not.. I still can't figure out how to package properly. |
| 00:33.21 | tapH20guru | huh |
| 00:33.22 | Zelut | if someone would like to package it for me I'm fine with that. |
| 00:34.02 | tapH20guru | gotta have a Utah Packaging Jam |
| 00:34.15 | tapH20guru | http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1082 |
| 00:34.32 | Zelut | do any of us know how to package properly? |
| 00:47.31 | Heartsbane | Zelut: tapH20guru might be right, it might be a good e-week item from Malcolm or Jono... just a thought |
| 00:47.50 | Heartsbane | I don't think anyone knows, maybe kkubasik |
| 01:00.25 | sontek | Zelut: kevin packages mono stuff for ubuntu |
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| 02:31.02 | Zelut | we should get kevin to present on packaging next month |
| 02:31.36 | sontek | he talks to fast to be a presenter :P |
| 02:31.44 | sontek | maybe we could record it and play it back in slow-mo |
| 02:34.20 | Zelut | hehe maybe |
| 02:37.39 | herlo | I can do that with audacity :) |
| 02:50.44 | Heartsbane | sontek: how much should we slow it down? half? |
| 02:56.11 | Zelut | herlo: any idea where I might find documentation concerning f8 on macbook? |
| 03:00.05 | herlo | Zelut: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraOnMactel - seems reasonable enough |
| 03:04.48 | Zelut | herlo: PM |
| 03:52.30 | mheath | yah |
| 03:52.46 | mheath | Hardy will be compatible with my laptop hopefully :) |
| 03:52.59 | mheath | my kernel bug report has been getting a lot of attention from the ubuntu kernel team lately. |
| 03:57.31 | Zelut | mheath: what a difference bug details make huh :) |
| 03:58.34 | mheath | Zelut: Yep |
| 03:58.38 | mheath | Zelut: thanks for the advice |
| 03:59.04 | Zelut | hopefully it'll get fixed. I'm running hardy already with minimal breakage |
| 04:00.08 | mheath | Zelut: I'm going to setup Hardy in a couple of days |
| 04:00.41 | mheath | Zelut: they have a new kernel version in Hardy now; one of the kernel team asked on the bug ticket that we test it |
| 04:02.42 | Zelut | I haven't seen a kernel.. I'm still on 2.6.22-14-generic |
| 04:06.01 | mheath | Zelut: gotta add restricted |
| 04:06.12 | mheath | Zelut: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hardy main restricted |
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| 04:06.25 | mheath | apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-generic |
| 04:06.40 | Zelut | I've got main restricted universe multiverse .. |
| 04:07.01 | mheath | Zelut: is the package name differnet than the normal kernel packages? |
| 04:07.22 | mheath | I dunno, one of the devs just left thsoe instructions on testing the new kernel |
| 04:11.24 | Zelut | http://www.mactel-linux.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro_(Santa_Rosa)_with_Fedora_7 |
| 04:11.29 | Zelut | oops |
| 04:13.34 | Zelut | sounds like way more work to get it going in fedora |
| 04:14.26 | mheath | yeah...heh |
| 04:15.00 | Zelut | there go my thoughts of trying fedora 8 |
| 04:16.16 | Zelut | mheath: looks like that packgage is available but its not recognized as a kernel update, just another package (?) |
| 04:17.29 | mheath | Zelut: I think the name is different? |
| 04:17.43 | mheath | Zelut: isn't a normal kernel just linux- and not linux-image? |
| 04:17.54 | Zelut | I don't think so.. |
| 04:18.35 | Zelut | my current kernel came from "linux-image-2.6.22-14-generic" package |
| 04:18.53 | mheath | Hmm. Odd. |
| 04:43.46 | Zelut | you know, I like my macbook but I don't know if I'd buy it again. |
| 04:45.50 | Heartsbane | why? |
| 04:46.54 | Zelut | can be problematic |
| 04:46.55 | Zelut | ...but I guess that goes for most laptops doesn't it |
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| 13:52.47 | herlo | morning |
| 13:53.11 | Yorokobi | Very, very late night. :) |
| 13:54.05 | herlo | Yorokobi: go to bed man! |
| 13:54.15 | Yorokobi | I will, eventually |
| 13:54.57 | herlo | yeah, yeah, sure! |
| 13:55.43 | Yorokobi | Well, the next time you have the DoD breathing down your neck to get a release out on time ... :/ |
| 13:57.44 | herlo | Yorokobi: what's wrong with them? Don't they know that genious takes time! |
| 13:58.11 | Yorokobi | Genious and DoD rarely combine. |
| 13:58.54 | herlo | Yorokobi: good point. In other words, they are like any other money making venture, cheap and demanding |
| 13:59.47 | Yorokobi | That and, by and large, ignorant about how the things they pay for work. |
| 13:59.54 | herlo | my Big Breakfast failed to come with Pancakes and it was much *smaller* than advertised. I had to go up and order Pancakes by themselves too... LAME |
| 14:00.08 | Yorokobi | where'd you go? |
| 14:00.49 | Yorokobi | 0700 MST -- one more 24h day under my belt. Almost all of it on the clock. Nice. |
| 14:02.51 | herlo | :) |
| 14:02.59 | herlo | McDonald's in ChinaTown |
| 14:03.15 | Yorokobi | Who's Chinatown? |
| 14:03.19 | herlo | poor poor excuse for a McDonald's |
| 14:03.21 | herlo | NYC |
| 14:03.24 | herlo | :) |
| 14:03.29 | Yorokobi | heh |
| 14:03.30 | Yorokobi | Fun |
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| 14:45.07 | redbeard2 | ubuntu doesn't have an inittab? what's up with that? |
| 14:49.10 | tgelter | redbeard2: ubuntu no longer uses sysv init scripts, right?... |
| 14:56.18 | redbeard2 | tgelter: actually, it's still compatible with them |
| 14:56.38 | redbeard2 | but apparently inittab has been replaced with something called upstart |
| 14:57.05 | tgelter | right |
| 15:14.14 | herlo | redbeard2: that's not compatible |
| 15:14.24 | herlo | upstart is event driven |
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| 16:00.21 | redbeard2 | herlo: you can still use the /etc/init.d scripts tho |
| 16:03.10 | herlo | :) |
| 16:11.19 | Zelut | upstart is compatible with sysV scripts, and we still have the /etc/init.d/, etc. It's just moved from static, defined runlevels as in the /etc/inittab to event driven with upstart. |
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| 16:36.01 | Yorokobi | Why do McDonald's napkins smell like cheap Chinese food? |
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| 16:57.49 | Zelut | man I love PXE |
| 16:58.31 | Gate_Laptop | the ogg link on the podcast site is broken |
| 17:00.14 | Gate_Laptop | in fact, neither does november's link |
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| 17:59.33 | Michael-Memphis | hey everyone! |
| 18:14.03 | jhancock | HEY |
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| 18:29.15 | Zelut | jhancock: hey you missed the meeting! |
| 18:29.36 | jhancock | I know :( !!! |
| 18:29.45 | jhancock | me and kevin kinda fell asleep |
| 18:30.13 | jhancock | did HeartsBane talk to you about the wiki? |
| 18:30.36 | jhancock | Also it is finals this week |
| 18:30.43 | jhancock | so I have been bunkering down to study |
| 18:34.26 | jhancock | Zelut |
| 18:36.49 | jhancock | Zelut: Kevin told me you are looking into learning Python |
| 18:37.37 | jhancock | I wrote a python learning tool called GASP (Graphical Api for students of Python) |
| 18:37.43 | jhancock | it is ment for highschoolers |
| 18:37.57 | jhancock | so I bet you could zoom through it very fast |
| 18:38.06 | jhancock | It is a good introduction |
| 18:39.27 | jhancock | http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/ |
| 18:39.32 | jhancock | is a book that uses it. |
| 18:40.01 | jhancock | https://launchpad.net/gasp |
| 18:40.08 | jhancock | is where you can get the code |
| 18:40.11 | jhancock | Check it out |
| 18:40.32 | jhancock | It would be nice to get an opinion about it. |
| 18:40.40 | jhancock | poke Zelut |
| 18:41.51 | Gate_Laptop | jhancock: I will take a look at it, Python is something I have been planning on learning |
| 18:42.25 | jhancock | It is still beta |
| 18:42.31 | jhancock | so there will be some bugs |
| 18:42.45 | jhancock | but I am actively maintaining it |
| 18:43.04 | jhancock | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GASP |
| 18:43.12 | jhancock | the wiki has instructions on installing it |
| 18:43.45 | jhancock | It would be awesome if you ran through |
| 18:43.53 | jhancock | It is a pretty cool little Library |
| 18:44.28 | Zelut | I'll take a look |
| 18:44.32 | jhancock | :) |
| 19:04.23 | Zelut | herlo: going to fudcon ehh |
| 19:04.55 | herlo | Zelut: yeah... |
| 19:05.03 | herlo | Zelut: how'd you see that? |
| 19:05.50 | Zelut | herlo: was just browsing the fedora site, saw a link to fudcon and saw you on the list |
| 19:06.07 | Zelut | herlo: recognized a few other people from classes I've taught too, like Karsten. |
| 19:06.46 | herlo | You had Karsten in your class? |
| 19:08.34 | Zelut | I did |
| 19:08.45 | Zelut | cool guy--real hippy-type |
| 19:11.54 | herlo | yeah, sounds like him |
| 19:12.20 | Zelut | sandals and hawaiian shirts every day to class :) |
| 19:12.29 | Zelut | he setup EPEL right? |
| 19:21.30 | herlo | yeah, think so |
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| 20:03.09 | clutchmm | ARG!!!!!! |
| 20:03.37 | Michael-Memphis | yarg! |
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| 20:05.42 | clutchmm | I have a wi-fi card that I had to use ndiswrapper to get working.... it is listed in lspci but my network configuration tool doesn't give me a wireless option |
| 20:05.43 | Michael-Memphis | huh, anyhow I need a cooler job! I am so stinking bored here |
| 20:05.47 | clutchmm | what now? |
| 20:06.05 | Michael-Memphis | you have gutsy on there or Feisty? |
| 20:06.11 | clutchmm | gutsy |
| 20:06.20 | clutchmm | it's my brother's computer |
| 20:06.59 | Michael-Memphis | hmmm Gutsy is pretty good about the wireless drivers, have you hard connected it and tried to get the restricted drivers manager to find it? |
| 20:08.01 | clutchmm | I don't have a place to plug it in here, my brother had it on ethernet at his place and the only restricted driver that came up was for his video card |
| 20:08.21 | Michael-Memphis | okay.... |
| 20:08.34 | clutchmm | what is the command to list my network cards? |
| 20:09.34 | Michael-Memphis | i'm stuck at work at the moment so I dunno how helpful I can be....I dunno that list command |
| 20:16.21 | tapH20guru | ifconfig |
| 20:16.48 | Michael-Memphis | so why th IF in the command instead of IP? |
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| 20:18.07 | tapH20guru | ipconfig is for windows |
| 20:18.36 | tapH20guru | well.. not really but it does something differe in ubuntu |
| 20:19.28 | Michael-Memphis | i see cool |
| 20:19.54 | Zelut | (i)nter(f)ace config == ifconfig |
| 20:20.30 | Michael-Memphis | oh wicked that makes total sense |
| 20:20.38 | tapH20guru | i was wrong... ipconfig is not on linux... just BSD |
| 20:20.49 | tapH20guru | i was on a mac and didn't know it |
| 20:21.13 | Michael-Memphis | I would love to play with BSD......if I had nothing else in the workd to do and a guru with me |
| 20:25.03 | Zelut | Michael-Memphis: BSD, Guru not included unfortunately. |
| 20:25.13 | Michael-Memphis | haha I know |
| 20:25.46 | Michael-Memphis | but I am happy with my Gutsy for now, I think the growing pains of ditching windows is over |
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| 20:27.24 | clutchmm | alright..... "lspci" says: 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03), "iwconfig" says: "no wireless extensions" on every line, "ifconfig" doesn't show a wireless adapter, and "ndiswrapper -l" says that ndiswrapper isn't installed even though I just installed it from a usb flash drive and it said it was installed with the driver just fine |
| 20:28.23 | clutchmm | the driver I just installed with ndiswrapper was "mrv8335.inf" |
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| 20:48.25 | atoponce | redbeard2: you're on irc?! :) |
| 20:51.58 | Zelut | atoponce: *you're* on irc!? |
| 20:52.24 | atoponce | s/'re/r/ |
| 20:53.04 | atoponce | so, is it just me, or is there a *lot* less content to cover in the GL120 than the RH033? |
| 20:53.19 | Zelut | I think its just you |
| 20:53.34 | atoponce | i'm booking today. i'll be done at 3:30 |
| 20:53.35 | Zelut | I thought our books had a lot *more* detail |
| 20:53.53 | atoponce | the chapters are short. the labs even shorter |
| 20:54.14 | atoponce | and because we're not asking them questions like the RH books, they just move right through the labs |
| 20:54.38 | findlay | atoponce: you can fill up the extra time with praise for herlo and how he's a uberhacker to be feared and respected |
| 20:54.44 | atoponce | i guess i need to hit the hotel tonight, looking for tons of examples. i just don't see how i can fill up the time |
| 20:55.00 | atoponce | findlay: i think you're mistaken. you must be referring to maquis |
| 20:55.06 | sontek | fill up the time with how you hate microsoft |
| 20:55.10 | atoponce | heh |
| 20:55.20 | findlay | yeah, brainwash them in something |
| 20:55.34 | sontek | might want to practice your jedi mindtrick |
| 20:55.37 | atoponce | that doesn't add anything to the material though |
| 20:56.47 | sontek | oh, you didn't say the time had to be used up with useful/relevant information |
| 20:57.02 | clutchmm | I installed ndisgtk and opened it with System->Administration->Windows Wireless Drivers. The program says that the driver is installed and the hardware is present.... but when I select "configure network" there isn't a wireless option |
| 20:57.05 | findlay | just start reading the source code to Linux |
| 20:57.06 | atoponce | well, i 'm teaching a class... |
| 20:57.28 | atoponce | findlay: that's a great idea. i should grep through that looking for the curse words. that would be fun actually. :) |
| 20:57.29 | findlay | there's plenty of material there |
| 20:57.43 | atoponce | we just covered grep, awk, sort, cut, regex, etc |
| 20:58.03 | atoponce | i'll get the sources tonight, and we'll review tomorrow morning |
| 20:58.06 | atoponce | :) |
| 21:01.09 | herlo | atoponce: I suggest showing them Fedora 8 and all of the cool stuff in it :) |
| 21:01.26 | herlo | show them Ubuntu 7.10, Debian Etch and whatever else interesting stuff you've got |
| 21:01.36 | herlo | make sure to spend an hour on Compiz-Fusion for instance |
| 21:01.44 | atoponce | ... |
| 21:01.47 | herlo | talk with them about the community |
| 21:01.47 | Zelut | atoponce: yeah, <any-non-rh-distro> is not a bad word in a GL class :) |
| 21:02.01 | herlo | ~lart Zelut |
| 21:02.01 | jbot | whips Zelut with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 21:02.03 | herlo | :) |
| 21:02.09 | Zelut | ..although you wouldn't think it talking with Dax :) |
| 21:02.11 | atoponce | Zelut: i did spend a great deal of time on debian and ubuntu actually |
| 21:02.46 | herlo | Have them do more with vim |
| 21:03.18 | Zelut | atoponce: what chapters are you doing today? |
| 21:03.23 | atoponce | 4-7 |
| 21:03.35 | atoponce | ending at 3:30 |
| 21:03.54 | Zelut | what are those chapters about.. for those of us that have not memorized them :) |
| 21:04.02 | atoponce | fine. :) |
| 21:04.59 | atoponce | manipulating files (cp, rm, mv, etc), text processing (sed,awk,sort, etc), shell basics (stdout, pipes, globbing, variables) and regex |
| 21:05.20 | Zelut | I usually create extra labs for regex |
| 21:05.30 | herlo | oh, spend the last 2 hrs on Regex, its fun to see their eyes pop out of their heads :) |
| 21:05.33 | Zelut | create a file with some phone numbers (including area code &/or country code) |
| 21:05.44 | Zelut | have them try to write rules to just find valid numbers from the file. |
| 21:05.50 | atoponce | i should do that tonight, and have some review for tomorrow |
| 21:06.03 | Zelut | that one usually pushes them and shows them about doing cells and || statements in regex |
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| 21:13.25 | Docagon | WOOHOO!!! I got the wireless working |
| 21:14.16 | Docagon | had to add "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules and BLAMM!!! it worked on reboot |
| 21:20.07 | Docagon | and now I have vnc.... |
| 21:20.24 | clutchmm | no more sitting on the floor |
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| 22:28.52 | Heartsbane | ~woot |
| 22:36.30 | Michael-Memphis | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/ele/506024576.html |
| 22:36.37 | Michael-Memphis | in case anyone is interested |
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| 22:44.04 | Heartsbane | Video card? |
| 22:47.41 | Michael-Memphis | ATI |
| 22:47.59 | Michael-Memphis | the sticker is worn and I have not played with it for a month or so now |
| 22:57.04 | tapH20guru | for "sell" ... do you mean for "sale"? lol |
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| 23:01.43 | Michael-Memphis | yeah....... |
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| 23:55.29 | undertakingyou | Is the command to start the ubuntu installer 'umbiquity'? |
| 23:56.49 | undertakingyou | or is it ubiquity? |
| 23:56.53 | synico | ubiquity? |
| 23:57.53 | undertakingyou | Yeah, in the live cd you can click on the install icon, or run that from terminal. |
| 23:57.54 | undertakingyou | I just can't remember the command name. |
| 23:58.17 | synico | oh, I was answering the question the same time you figured it out |
| 23:58.37 | undertakingyou | oh, thanks. I thought that you were asking |