| 00:14.07 | mallum | nelson: everybody hides in #elinux nowadays |
| 00:14.54 | kergoth | mallum: OE/OZ now has ipaq support fyi, thanks to treke. now we just need to improve the X packages. hint hint. |
| 00:15.35 | mallum | kergoth: sure want me to build some for you ? |
| 00:16.05 | kergoth | we've got em, just needs some TLC regarding proper use of update-alternatives, and packaging changes to mesh well with familiar's packages, ala package naming, Provides, Replaces, et cetera |
| 00:16.31 | mallum | kergoth: are you building them from X CVS ? |
| 00:16.49 | mallum | kergoth: with Render, fontconfig libxcursor etc ? |
| 00:16.56 | kergoth | good question :) I dont maintain those packages |
| 00:17.00 | kergoth | and really, nobody else does either |
| 00:17.09 | mallum | kergoth: I need to get a zaraus |
| 00:17.13 | kergoth | its in our current buildroot, so it'll be in the upcoming OE buildsystem as well |
| 00:17.24 | kergoth | mallum: I have a c700 to play with </shameless gloating> |
| 00:17.44 | mallum | kergoth: ooooh, I was going to order one of them - the 640x480 right ? |
| 00:17.55 | kergoth | right |
| 00:18.05 | kergoth | I'm assisting Dynamism in the conversion for the US market |
| 00:18.10 | kergoth | loaner unit for a month or so |
| 00:18.16 | mallum | whats the battery life like of them , I heard it was really bad :( |
| 00:18.19 | kergoth | very very slick hardware wise. |
| 00:18.31 | kergoth | battery life is say, 2-4 hours of regular use |
| 00:18.38 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I was gonna order one from dynamism |
| 00:18.46 | kergoth | I need to do more extensive testing regarding both performance and battery life |
| 00:18.51 | kergoth | I'll post it somewhere useful when I do so |
| 00:19.12 | mallum | kergoth: do you know if they've got em in stock now ? |
| 00:19.17 | kergoth | bleh, our current build is using 4.1.0 X stock |
| 00:19.24 | kergoth | mallum: doubtful, last iheard the backorder list was pretty long |
| 00:19.25 | mallum | kergoth: ewe :( |
| 00:19.50 | mallum | kergoth: is there a url for your buildroot ? |
| 00:20.02 | kergoth | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 00:20.03 | | hmm... oz bk is bk clone http://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/openzaurus .config; make oldconfig; make or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you don't want to use bk |
| 00:20.04 | kergoth | ibot: oz snapshot |
| 00:20.05 | | from memory, oz snapshot is http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ or updated every 4 hours by Navi or this is a snapshot of the bk oz buildroot tree use it to compile your own OZ if you don't want to use BK |
| 00:20.41 | mallum | kergoth: have you tried X on the c700 ? |
| 00:20.43 | kergoth | its essentially a buildroot, but using linuxkernelconf as a configuration method, and some makefile-lkc glue |
| 00:20.47 | kergoth | not as of yet |
| 00:20.49 | kergoth | I havent tried opie yet either |
| 00:21.27 | mallum | buildroot as in tuxscreen buildroot ? |
| 00:21.39 | kergoth | yeah, its based on the tuxscreen/uclibc buildroot |
| 00:21.43 | mallum | cool |
| 00:22.07 | mallum | what are you doing about the touchscreen, X and the zaraus ? |
| 00:22.08 | kergoth | I was going to just port familiar to the Zaurus, but as soon as i heard it was built manually I shuddered and said fuck that |
| 00:22.12 | kergoth | :D |
| 00:22.13 | kergoth | oh its an evil hack |
| 00:22.21 | kergoth | theres a translation daemon converting Z ts events to ipaq |
| 00:22.39 | mallum | okey, have you looked at tslib at all ? |
| 00:22.44 | kergoth | yes |
| 00:22.48 | kergoth | I'm using it for the Z 2.4.19 support |
| 00:22.52 | kergoth | and patched qt/e to use it |
| 00:22.55 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:22.59 | mallum | tinyX cvs has supprot for it now |
| 00:23.02 | kergoth | oh nice |
| 00:24.20 | mallum | how do you find it ? |
| 00:25.13 | kergoth | I like it alot. Its design is sane, though I had to patch around a few bugs |
| 00:26.49 | mallum | nice |
| 00:27.10 | mallum | so your buildroot builds opie against uclibc ? |
| 00:27.23 | kergoth | not as of yet, though adding uclibc to the system is trivial |
| 00:27.27 | kergoth | not a high priority |
| 00:27.44 | kergoth | I need to get 2.4.19-rmk4-cl1 solid on the Z (it is, minus SD/MMC), and need to get openzaurus 3.1 out the door |
| 00:27.52 | kergoth | then I'll focus on further feature adds |
| 00:28.12 | mallum | cool, the buildroot looks really nice BTW |
| 00:28.22 | mallum | I never realised so much had been done |
| 00:28.55 | kergoth | having menuconfig as a means of configuring packages to build was a really nice feature |
| 00:29.08 | mallum | yeah |
| 00:29.24 | mallum | Id really like to help out with the openembedded stuff |
| 00:29.40 | mallum | Im just trying to get matchbox 0.4 out the door |
| 00:29.49 | mallum | which is close now |
| 00:30.03 | kergoth | very cool. I'd love to see some of matchbox's features put in Opie |
| 00:30.07 | kergoth | I love the interfaces |
| 00:30.08 | mallum | it should be matchbox 0.6 or summin really cos its got so much new stuff |
| 00:30.08 | kergoth | er |
| 00:30.11 | kergoth | s/s$// |
| 00:30.27 | mallum | I been hacking stuff in for better use on 640x480 displays |
| 00:30.42 | mallum | multiple docks with various orientations etc |
| 00:30.47 | kergoth | ah, excellent |
| 00:30.47 | kergoth | brb |
| 00:35.38 | nelson | mallum: what's #elinux? |
| 00:36.05 | kergoth | nelson: now that the tuxes are sold out, elinux is the preferred general embedded linux discussion channel |
| 00:36.37 | nelson | ARM architecture? |
| 00:37.01 | kergoth | not ARM specific, there is a bit of MIPS discussion and th like as well |
| 00:37.22 | kergoth | this chan is pretty much silent most of the time :) |
| 00:37.29 | nelson | kergoth: yeah, I noticed. |
| 00:38.13 | nelson | mallum: hey, if you're going to make X run on the Zaurus, do you want to have mine? The theory was that I was going to get Familiar working on it, but nobody seems to want that.... |
| 00:38.46 | kergoth | wasnt familiar on the Z pending an updated kernel? |
| 00:39.00 | nelson | kergoth: and pending, and pending, and pending.... |
| 00:39.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:39.21 | kergoth | well considering i was pretty m uch the only person working on an updated kernel, it took a while |
| 00:39.32 | kergoth | now its only pending issues with the SD support |
| 00:39.38 | kergoth | had to rewrite half of lineo's crap drivers |
| 00:39.40 | nelson | but neither does there seem to be much of a community oriented around X on the Zaurus. |
| 00:39.47 | kergoth | nelson: I've noticed |
| 00:39.51 | nelson | kergoth: shhhhhhhh, they're listening! |
| 00:39.55 | mallum | nelson: sure :-) |
| 00:40.09 | nelson | mallum: email me your address. |
| 00:40.12 | mallum | nelson: are you serious ? |
| 00:40.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:40.22 | kergoth | people hear me mutter about lineo's code on a daily basis |
| 00:40.38 | nelson | mallum: sure. If you're going to do useful development things with it, why not? Mine is just gathering dust. |
| 00:40.48 | nelson | mallum: I'm not even playing games on it anymore.... |
| 00:40.52 | mallum | nelson: excellent :-) |
| 00:41.10 | mallum | nelson: you know Im in the UK though right ? I'll happily paypal you the postage costs |
| 00:41.31 | nelson | mallum: UK .... UK .... It's on the globe here somewhere.... |
| 00:41.41 | nelson | mallum: Is it anywhere near Scotland?? |
| 00:41.45 | mallum | nelson: below |
| 00:41.49 | nelson | Ah! |
| 00:42.02 | nelson | I see it now ... the suburbs of London. |
| 00:42.17 | nelson | (except for the lake district, of course) |
| 00:42.21 | nelson | And the dales. |
| 00:42.47 | mallum | nelson: yeah Im just outside central London, zone 2 |
| 00:43.49 | nelson | mallum: Oh, well, next time I'm in London I'll skip the cheezy tourist traps like the Tower Bridge and head directly to Mallum's House of Handhelds. |
| 00:44.38 | nelson | mallum: actually, the Tower Bridge *is* cool. |
| 00:44.38 | mallum | nelson: hehe |
| 00:44.57 | mallum | nelson: next time your in London I'll take you to some cool sights |
| 00:45.06 | nelson | mallum: I might hold you to that! |
| 00:45.56 | mallum | nelson: do :-) |
| 00:46.05 | mallum | nelson: I sent you my address |
| 00:46.40 | nelson | mallum: so, um, what tuxscreen software should I be running? I finally got other two tuxes unprotected and de-inferno'ed. |
| 00:47.17 | mallum | nelson: ooh, Im the wrong person to ask. I have 1 still in its box and the other in pieces |
| 00:47.36 | mallum | nelson: you can run matchbox on it though ;-) |
| 00:47.36 | nelson | Maybe I'll ask on the mailing list.... |
| 00:47.45 | nelson | mallum: was planning to! |
| 00:48.54 | mallum | nelson: I have matchbox running on a 100Mhz 'tablet pc' |
| 00:49.32 | nelson | mallum: ahhhh, yes, those were the good old days ... when you measured clock speed in Mhz. |
| 00:49.40 | nelson | mallum: what kind of tablet PC? |
| 00:49.49 | mallum | nelson: that fujitsu pt510 |
| 00:50.06 | nelson | mallum: ahhhh, yes, a bit dodgey on memory, eh? |
| 00:50.18 | mallum | nelson: somebody just wrote a fb driver for the chip, so I finally got tinyX running on it with a correct colormap |
| 00:51.15 | mallum | nelson: there is some info at the bottom of this ( outdated ) page -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/ |
| 00:52.17 | nelson | Aaaaack! Do you know how unreadable 9pt font is on 1280x1024? |
| 00:52.30 | kergoth | hah |
| 00:52.44 | mallum | nelson: I have 1280x768 with 7pt on all my terms .... |
| 00:53.02 | mallum | kergoth: does the buildroot do like a make menuconfig or just a make config ? |
| 00:53.07 | bhima | I think you mean "9 pixel". Points are always the same size. :P |
| 00:53.31 | bhima | 1 point = 1/72 of a french inch. |
| 00:53.37 | bhima | or 1/72.27 of a normal inch :) |
| 00:53.49 | mallum | geek ;-) |
| 00:53.56 | mallum | typo geek |
| 00:53.59 | kergoth | mallum: whatever you prefer |
| 00:54.05 | nelson | mallum: then opera must be rendering them "con magnifying glass". |
| 00:54.16 | kergoth | mallum: theres config, oldconifg, menuconfig, allyesconfig, allnoconfig, randconfig, xconfig (using qt, fyi) |
| 00:54.27 | kergoth | mallum: same as a 2.5 kernel build, we're using the smae config system |
| 00:54.53 | mallum | kergoth: yeah I've never built a 2.5 ... |
| 00:55.03 | mallum | kergoth: not sure if they even work for powerpc yet |
| 00:55.09 | kergoth | ah :) |
| 00:57.24 | mallum | okey ppl, bedtime for me - is getting late here |
| 00:57.27 | mallum | g'night all |
| 01:02.08 | nelson | bhima: problem with Unicode is that it has multiple representations for the exact same glyph. |
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