| 00:00.04 | CosmicPenguin | It will never be perfect (since this is a UCB chip), but it will be close enough |
| 00:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: Well, do you want it cheep and fairly good, or expensive and perfect? |
| 00:00.26 | andin | So this somewhat works. But I've checked the other tux hat I have (still inferno-based) - the pointer is _totally_ still there. |
| 00:01.07 | andin | but i think I'll need to add the code for accounting of sudden "jumps" - I noticed it sometimes happens. |
| 00:02.10 | andin | jacques: btw, I had to hack the calibration myself - in the current X in buildroot it's just absent ;) (or me being stupid) |
| 00:03.23 | MonMotha | nope, no calibration that I can find :) |
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| 00:13.19 | jacques | andin: no you are correct - there is no calibration for x in the current buildroot |
| 00:13.51 | jacques | but I have recently been experimenting with xfree cvs HEAD |
| 00:14.00 | jacques | and it now builds with no patches! |
| 00:14.10 | jacques | but ts does not work out of the box |
| 00:14.41 | andin | well, for me it did work out of the box with _slight_ miscalibration. |
| 00:15.44 | jacques | andin: recent cvs xfree or buildroot xfree ? |
| 00:16.06 | jacques | xfree in buildroot is 2001-10-10 |
| 00:16.26 | andin | ah right. misunderstood. |
| 00:20.13 | andin | ok. will go freeze a bit for a smoke :) |
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| 00:51.14 | andin | laters all.. |
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| 01:57.38 | kramera | anyone steer me to info for data sync w/ usb linux to cellphones? |
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| 02:47.06 | sorphin | scanline: yo |
| 02:47.13 | scanline | hi |
| 02:47.21 | sorphin | i looked in the config |
| 02:47.28 | sorphin | it's already set for posix-compat |
| 02:47.36 | scanline | set it anyway |
| 02:47.47 | sorphin | uhh |
| 02:48.01 | scanline | the menuconfig shows the posix option because that's the default, but it's probably not actually set in the config file |
| 02:48.10 | sorphin | k |
| 02:49.31 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:49.38 | sorphin | worked ;p |
| 02:49.49 | sorphin | shouldn't display set if it's not :P |
| 02:56.22 | sorphin | scanline: oh goodie, more errors ;) |
| 02:56.29 | sorphin | pgl-launcher.c:69: `resResource' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 02:56.36 | sorphin | now what's missing? :P |
| 02:56.39 | scanline | pgl-launcher doesn't work at the moment |
| 02:56.44 | scanline | though not for that reason |
| 02:56.53 | scanline | if you want to fix the menuconfig feel free :P |
| 02:57.00 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:57.14 | sorphin | well, i need to know what should/shouldn't be enabled ya know ;p |
| 02:57.20 | sorphin | i didn't write this thing, you did ;p |
| 02:57.42 | scanline | so write some documentation :P |
| 02:57.48 | sorphin | umm |
| 02:58.04 | sorphin | well, i need to know what should/shouldn't be enabled ya know ;p <----- |
| 02:58.44 | scanline | heh |
| 02:58.44 | sorphin | 'or should i just sit here and toggle config settings till it runs? :P |
| 02:59.08 | scanline | well, I don't know what config settings you want if I don't know what you're trying to use it for... |
| 02:59.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:59.49 | sorphin | last time i tried microwindows, it was dull, didn't have squat, so i figured i'd try picogui ;p |
| 03:00.17 | scanline | ok.. so at the moment there isn't a working launcher so you'll have to use pterm to launch programs |
| 03:00.24 | sorphin | that's fine |
| 03:00.38 | scanline | the only reason the OS setting got in your way is because it was recently added and the tuxscreen buildroot config is probably pretty old |
| 03:00.53 | scanline | you'll also probably have to turn on some widgets, since the optional widget settings are all new |
| 03:01.05 | sorphin | k |
| 03:01.42 | sorphin | atm, only canvas and terminal are turned on |
| 03:01.43 | scanline | probably want to turn on all the widgets except managedwindow, textedit, simplemenu, and messagedialog |
| 03:01.54 | sorphin | k |
| 03:06.02 | scanline | sorphin: pgl-launcher will compile if you install the pgres library first, but if you dont' want it you can run 'make' in the individual directory of apps you do want |
| 03:07.04 | sorphin | well, buildroot is gonna keep choking on it |
| 03:07.10 | scanline | ah |
| 03:07.17 | sorphin | so i wanted to know where to toss it out |
| 03:07.35 | scanline | you could remove it from the configure.in |
| 03:08.34 | sorphin | just anything mentioning pgl-launcher ? |
| 03:08.56 | sorphin | k |
| 03:09.19 | sorphin | heh, that was easy, 1 line |
| 03:11.40 | sorphin | scanline: anything else i should know, mr picogui? *grin* |
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| 03:12.44 | sorphin | lo erik |
| 03:12.53 | andersee | evening |
| 03:13.37 | scanline | I just don't know what else to tell you until you find more problems :) |
| 03:13.37 | kergoth`out | hey guys |
| 03:13.45 | scanline | hi kergoth |
| 03:14.14 | sorphin | scanline: well, apparently that 1 line just stops it from *making* picogui, not from trying to make it ;) |
| 03:14.35 | scanline | huh? |
| 03:15.01 | scanline | did you run ./autogen.sh after changing configure.in? |
| 03:15.34 | sorphin | it ran itself when i did a make distclean |
| 03:15.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:15.40 | scanline | k |
| 03:15.53 | scanline | so what exactly is it building and not building? |
| 03:15.54 | sorphin | somehow it's still trying to recurse into there tho |
| 03:16.01 | scanline | oh |
| 03:16.28 | scanline | remove it from Makefile.am |
| 03:16.40 | sorphin | yeah, i found it |
| 03:16.42 | sorphin | under pgl |
| 03:19.01 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 03:19.02 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 03:19.10 | kergoth | ibot: ~rlart |
| 03:19.11 | | kergoth: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:19.14 | kergoth | ~rlart |
| 03:19.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:19.37 | sorphin | ~lart kergoth |
| 03:19.45 | sorphin | scanline: NO FAIR |
| 03:20.00 | scanline | haha |
| 03:20.03 | sorphin | scanline: WGN was the only station i picked up that was showing it |
| 03:20.07 | sorphin | and they stopped |
| 03:20.12 | sorphin | now i can't watch it at all |
| 03:20.14 | scanline | I have digital macgyver |
| 03:20.18 | sorphin | eh? |
| 03:20.26 | scanline | divx'ed |
| 03:20.31 | sorphin | bastard |
| 03:20.32 | sorphin | where |
| 03:20.45 | sorphin | :) |
| 03:21.29 | scanline | there, that URL will be good until midnight MST, if you need a new one let me know |
| 03:22.42 | sorphin | :) thanks |
| 03:22.49 | scanline | no problem |
| 03:23.23 | sorphin | scanline: fav episode? |
| 03:23.43 | scanline | dunno, there are a lot of good ones |
| 03:24.07 | sorphin | umm |
| 03:24.11 | sorphin | ok, this isnt' good |
| 03:25.13 | sorphin | nope, no resolve |
| 03:25.20 | scanline | 128.138.2.241 |
| 03:25.24 | sorphin | :) |
| 03:26.10 | sorphin | scanline: something wrong w/ the ones under old/ ? |
| 03:26.37 | scanline | no, they're just the ones I had before I got a boatload of 'em from a friend of mine |
| 03:26.53 | sorphin | ah, k |
| 03:26.59 | scanline | that drive you're looking at is about 600GB so I don't clean up as much as I should :) |
| 03:27.36 | sorphin | hehe |
| 03:50.46 | sorphin | scanline: um.. you might wanna know |
| 03:51.04 | scanline | yeah? |
| 03:51.05 | sorphin | nothing .picogui.org resolves now.. (my buildroot just pointed that out) |
| 03:51.11 | sorphin | www.picogui.org: Host not found. |
| 03:51.24 | sorphin | someone's dns lost you |
| 03:51.30 | scanline | hmm, works for me still |
| 03:51.42 | scanline | ibot: host picogui.org |
| 03:51.43 | | scanline: i haven't a clue |
| 03:51.47 | scanline | ibot: nslookup picogui.org |
| 03:52.15 | scanline | grr |
| 03:52.19 | sorphin | and ibot just confirmed |
| 03:52.37 | sorphin | i'd say it's time to inflict injury *grin* |
| 03:53.19 | sorphin | on whoever owns NS?.NAMERESOLVE.COM |
| 03:54.00 | scanline | I updated the DNS yesterday I think, since sourceforge is moving IPs... maybe they're being boneheads about transisioning it |
| 03:54.14 | sorphin | hmm |
| 03:54.19 | sorphin | always possible |
| 03:55.03 | sorphin | what's the ip of www. so i can /etc/hosts it for now (so buildroot can continue :) ) |
| 03:55.28 | scanline | 66.35.250.210 |
| 03:56.30 | sorphin | and i'm on the same damn network as them |
| 03:56.36 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:57.12 | sorphin | that's why i don't use anyone else's dns servers but my own |
| 03:57.27 | scanline | I would run my own, but the port is blocked here |
| 03:57.28 | sorphin | that way, if someone elses fails, i'm not reliant on it |
| 03:57.56 | scanline | =) |
| 03:58.16 | BZFlag | others should be secondaries, only trust yourself as primary. ;-) |
| 03:58.37 | sorphin | BZFlag: exactly |
| 03:59.02 | scanline | primary for picogui.org is at dotster.. I don't trust them, but can't run it myself and am too lazy to switch it to someone else |
| 03:59.15 | sorphin | scanline: i had dotster for a while |
| 03:59.24 | sorphin | i dumped em and have everything on godaddy |
| 03:59.54 | sorphin | i think |
| 04:00.30 | kergoth | Anyone know a company i can pay to run an MX for one of my small personal domains? need a couple mailboxes, imap/ssl |
| 04:00.33 | kergoth | ideas? |
| 04:00.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 04:01.00 | kergoth | already have dns through easydns, dont need web either |
| 04:01.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:01.02 | sorphin | gimme a few days and i could *grin* |
| 04:01.12 | BZFlag | kergoth@tuxscreen.net ? ;-) |
| 04:01.15 | sorphin | hehe |
| 04:01.18 | sorphin | or that |
| 04:01.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:01.36 | BZFlag | kergoth@elinux.org ? ;-) |
| 04:01.38 | sorphin | BZFlag: no kergoth@rikers.org? *grin* |
| 04:02.02 | BZFlag | sorphin: it's the coveted kergoth@bzflag.org that he wants. ;-) |
| 04:02.09 | sorphin | muhahahaha |
| 04:02.12 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:02.48 | scanline | I only have 3 email addresses :( |
| 04:02.54 | sorphin | where i gave freinds aliases |
| 04:03.03 | sorphin | spods-anonymous.org |
| 04:03.06 | sorphin | hackers-anonymous.org |
| 04:03.10 | kergoth | all my accounts are down, all i have is my work @digi.com email! |
| 04:03.12 | sorphin | s0rph1n.com |
| 04:03.16 | sorphin | captainrock.com |
| 04:03.20 | sorphin | and technoboy.net |
| 04:03.27 | MonMotha | very scary |
| 04:03.41 | MonMotha | I'm down to two active ones tho now I think |
| 04:03.43 | sorphin | MonMotha: no |
| 04:03.44 | sorphin | what's scary |
| 04:03.49 | sorphin | is my *main* email account |
| 04:03.51 | kergoth | course i have handhelds.org, openzaurus.org, digitalnemesis.net forwards, but i need a imap/ssl box to forward them to :) |
| 04:03.53 | sorphin | isn't even on my domain |
| 04:04.04 | MonMotha | sorphin: nor is mine...it's @indy.rr.com, my ISP |
| 04:04.07 | sorphin | it's on a box in england ;p |
| 04:04.12 | sorphin | fysh.org |
| 04:04.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 04:04.23 | sorphin | ya know |
| 04:04.27 | sorphin | i've never used my isp's email |
| 04:04.45 | sorphin | my sbc email is prolly full of crap that i've never seen |
| 04:04.51 | sorphin | cuz i've never even accessed it, once |
| 04:05.15 | sorphin | always |
| 04:05.23 | sorphin | since i 1st could, i always have |
| 04:05.31 | sorphin | well, cept for email now |
| 04:05.40 | sorphin | but that was because of stability |
| 04:05.46 | kergoth | i would, cept i dont own enough boxes to run them, and i dont trust AT&T digital cable to retain a high uptime |
| 04:05.50 | MonMotha | well, I just have no place to host my stuff :) |
| 04:05.50 | kergoth | right, exactly |
| 04:06.02 | sorphin | kergoth: that's why i have dsl ;) |
| 04:06.08 | kergoth | sorphin: bah, bastard |
| 04:06.08 | sorphin | i've only ever been down once |
| 04:06.10 | sorphin | for 15 mins |
| 04:06.14 | kergoth | fuckers |
| 04:06.14 | sorphin | fiber outage |
| 04:06.20 | sorphin | my dsl modem |
| 04:06.22 | sorphin | went ALL RED |
| 04:06.25 | sorphin | lights |
| 04:06.28 | kergoth | er, ouch |
| 04:06.50 | sorphin | then i ride an OC3 back to the CO |
| 04:07.26 | sorphin | and curl and wget are annoying me (like everything else today) |
| 04:07.38 | sorphin | there's a wget-ssl isn't therE? |
| 04:08.02 | sorphin | curl won't do this shit right |
| 04:08.10 | sorphin | and i'm not lynx'ing all these files manuallly ;p |
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| 13:48.41 | sorphin | morning julie |
| 13:53.03 | Morn | hi |
| 13:53.08 | Morn | do you know how to hotwire a car? |
| 13:53.42 | sorphin | lost your keys? |
| 13:53.53 | Morn | no, the keys won't turn the ignition |
| 13:54.27 | sorphin | ugh |
| 13:54.42 | Morn | the key is a bit worn |
| 13:54.56 | sorphin | be glad you don't have my car |
| 13:55.00 | sorphin | you can't hotwire it |
| 13:56.23 | sorphin | http://textfiles.fisher.hu/anarchy/MISCHIEF/anar34.txt |
| 13:56.24 | sorphin | or |
| 13:56.28 | sorphin | http://www.mcps.k12.md.us/schools/pylems/TiWebClass/serve/survive/hotwire2.htm |
| 13:57.53 | sorphin | mm |
| 13:58.01 | sorphin | hmm... maybe not.. |
| 13:58.36 | sorphin | neither of these is how i remember.. there's wires under the dash.. |
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| 15:47.04 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:47.17 | sorphin | lo |
| 15:47.24 | kergoth | hey |
| 15:47.38 | CosmicPenguin | My back is killing me |
| 15:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | I might not last long |
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| 15:56.28 | file | hi mallum |
| 16:01.03 | mallum | hey file |
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| 16:30.04 | kergoth | hey prpplague |
| 16:31.27 | prpplague | kergoth: morning |
| 16:31.32 | prpplague | kergoth: whats cookin? |
| 16:31.39 | kergoth | prpplague: nada, same shit as always |
| 16:31.41 | kergoth | prpplague: you? |
| 16:31.43 | sorphin | hey, it's mr hackkit |
| 16:32.42 | prpplague | kergoth: more imaging shit today |
| 16:32.55 | prpplague | kergoth: freekin sane and signature capture stuff |
| 16:38.02 | kergoth | prpplague: geh, that sucks |
| 16:38.16 | prpplague | kergoth: yes it does...... |
| 16:38.52 | prpplague | kergoth: its not difficult, it just sooooo boring and monotonious(sp?) |
| 16:44.00 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: spell monotonious |
| 16:44.01 | | possible spellings for monotonious: monotonous |
| 16:44.10 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: botsnak |
| 16:44.11 | | CosmicPenguin: no idea |
| 16:44.11 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:44.16 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:44.16 | | :) |
| 16:44.27 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 16:44.29 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 16:44.39 | prpplague | ibot: guinness |
| 16:44.41 | | ibot pours a creamy pint of dark bitter guinness stout |
| 16:44.55 | sorphin | bitter is right ;p |
| 16:45.50 | prpplague | sorphin: its suppose to be bitter, thats the hops talking |
| 16:46.05 | sorphin | i couldn't even finish a glass of it, it was so nasty |
| 16:48.55 | prpplague | sorphin: its an aquired taste |
| 16:49.17 | sorphin | for $5 a glass it wasn't acquired fast enough ;p |
| 16:49.36 | sorphin | tho i'm sure it didn't help they served it cold |
| 16:50.58 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: thats actually a myth... Guinness isn't supposed to be served cold, but not at room temperature either |
| 16:50.58 | prpplague | sorphin: ya well $5 a pint is a little step |
| 16:51.17 | CosmicPenguin | The beer is normally stored in the cellar, and the average English cellar sure isn't 72 F |
| 16:52.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: correct |
| 16:52.48 | prpplague | sorphin: for a full description of proper temps and glasses you can go to ratebeer.com |
| 16:54.50 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 16:54.53 | sorphin | and on their front page |
| 16:55.08 | sorphin | the question you prolly answer yes to ;) |
| 16:55.11 | sorphin | "Does anyone drink beer for breakfast?" |
| 16:57.17 | CosmicPenguin | I hate that site - they rank my favorite beer at a dissmal 2.8 |
| 16:57.33 | CosmicPenguin | And its probably because its from Utah with a lower alcohol content |
| 16:57.48 | sorphin | of course ;) |
| 16:58.00 | CosmicPenguin | Why? It still tastes the same |
| 16:58.32 | CosmicPenguin | Like I said in my rating, "Knocking points off for alcohol content is like hating the Three Stooges because they wern't filmed in color" |
| 16:58.44 | sorphin | hmm |
| 16:58.50 | sorphin | true |
| 16:59.05 | sorphin | i wasn't refering to the alchol content part tho ;) |
| 16:59.16 | sorphin | +o |
| 16:59.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which beer is that? |
| 17:00.10 | prpplague | check this out: |
| 17:00.11 | prpplague | The short program Johansen wrote is just one of many available that can break DVD security codes. |
| 17:00.11 | prpplague | One is included in a software package, sold by a U.S. company, that also burns DVDs after cracking the copy protection. |
| 17:00.25 | prpplague | a quote from Communist News Network |
| 17:00.28 | prpplague | aka CNN |
| 17:00.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:00.45 | prpplague | anyone know what program they are talking about? |
| 17:01.00 | prpplague | and i wonder why they haven't been targeted |
| 17:01.39 | sorphin | prpplague: could be one of any |
| 17:02.00 | sorphin | don't think they sell dvddecrypter tho |
| 17:02.35 | prpplague | non the less, isn't the whole trial of DeCSS about duplication not viewing? |
| 17:02.54 | sorphin | to be honest |
| 17:02.56 | prpplague | MPAA is alleging the DeCSS sole purpose was for duplication |
| 17:03.02 | sorphin | i dunno what their point is period w/ that tryal |
| 17:03.05 | sorphin | trial even |
| 17:03.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://ratebeer.com/ShowBeer.asp?BeerID=11768 |
| 17:03.07 | sorphin | damn lag |
| 17:03.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:03.41 | sorphin | polygamy porter |
| 17:03.41 | sorphin | cute |
| 17:04.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:04.07 | sorphin | 2/5 palate |
| 17:04.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you look, alot of the ppl that have rated alot of beer actually rated it pretty hight |
| 17:04.22 | prpplague | high |
| 17:04.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:04.56 | sorphin | OVerall: 8/20 |
| 17:05.08 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Out of the tap, that is a most excellent beer. In bottles a bit less exciting |
| 17:05.19 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: apparently so |
| 17:05.22 | sorphin | "Very dark, and the bottle looks great. That's where it ends though. Tastes too much like a chocolate coffee and not enough like a beer. But it does have one of the best names ever." |
| 17:05.33 | sorphin | choc coffee eh? |
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| 17:08.20 | kergoth | hey andersee |
| 17:08.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: it has that dark woodsy taste like coffee, but definately not chocolate |
| 17:09.23 | andersee | kergoth: morning |
| 17:09.35 | kergoth | andersee: hows it going? |
| 17:10.36 | Russ|werk | morning |
| 17:10.48 | Russ|werk | prpplague: you happen to have a shipping #? |
| 17:11.23 | prpplague | Russ|werk: its called "BOSS" |
| 17:11.48 | prpplague | Russ|werk: thank god, he left for a business trip today |
| 17:15.52 | andersee | kergoth: not too bad |
| 17:16.01 | andersee | kergoth: Just waking up for the day |
| 17:16.25 | CosmicPenguin | ibot: give CosmicPenguin a shot of morphine |
| 17:16.25 | | CosmicPenguin: bugger all, i dunno |
| 17:18.09 | Russ|werk | ibot: lart CosmicPenguin |
| 17:19.07 | CosmicPenguin | I can't feel my legs! |
| 17:19.19 | sorphin | prpplague: russ sure is impatient ;) if i didn't know better i'd think he was file ;p |
| 17:19.56 | prpplague | sorphin: well Russ|werk will actually be doing something r&d wise with his stuff |
| 17:20.49 | sorphin | prpplague: ah |
| 17:20.55 | sorphin | file: i know you did |
| 17:20.59 | file | oh well - I must go |
| 17:22.15 | sorphin | andersee: isn't your watch broken erik? ;) |
| 17:22.27 | sorphin | or yo ustill on those "day" hours ;) |
| 17:23.28 | andersee | sorphin: yeah i know. My wife wants me available for the holidays. Available means able to watch the kids during the day if she goes shopping... |
| 17:23.40 | sorphin | ah, fun fun |
| 17:23.56 | sorphin | andersee: something CP will soon experience once he's bur^H^H^Hmarried |
| 17:24.10 | CosmicPenguin | Bah - I don't have to be married to experience that |
| 17:24.24 | sorphin | and yet you're still getting married? |
| 17:25.07 | Morn | re's everyone |
| 17:25.12 | sorphin | she must be putting something in that beer of your |
| 17:25.13 | sorphin | s |
| 17:25.20 | sorphin | Morn: allo, get the car going? |
| 17:25.28 | andersee | CosmicPenguin: The never ending list of honeydos... "Honey, could you fix the sink" "Honey, could you clean this disgusting bathroom?" "Honey, could you...." |
| 17:25.35 | Morn | yeah, my roommate had some de-icer, that fixed it up nicely |
| 17:25.54 | sorphin | Morn: ahh |
| 17:26.09 | sorphin | andersee: she make you hold her purse? ;) |
| 17:26.11 | Morn | I thought it was frozen from the start, but everyone said it couldn't be THAT cold out |
| 17:26.28 | andersee | sorphin: my wife doesn't own a purse, mercifully |
| 17:26.36 | sorphin | Morn: if the battery is weak, it CAN be that cold out ;p |
| 17:26.47 | sorphin | andersee: that'sodd |
| 17:27.00 | sorphin | andersee: only known a few women like that |
| 17:27.29 | sorphin | hm... |
| 17:27.35 | sorphin | Morn: purse or not? |
| 17:28.39 | Morn | purse? |
| 17:29.01 | Morn | oh, I own a purse |
| 17:29.20 | Morn | on the upside I keep a pda in it |
| 17:29.26 | Morn | do I still qualify as a geek? |
| 17:29.38 | sorphin | i suppose ;) |
| 17:29.52 | sorphin | as long as the pda doesn't get used as a normal pda ;p |
| 17:30.02 | Russ|werk | sorphin: I'm just following up, ups ground only takes 2 or 3 days from austin |
| 17:30.04 | Morn | it's a pocket PC |
| 17:30.11 | Morn | I use it for all sorts of things |
| 17:30.12 | Morn | even a GPS |
| 17:30.16 | Russ|werk | sorphin: occasionaly, it'll arrive overnight |
| 17:30.18 | sorphin | Russ|werk: till the 12th |
| 17:30.29 | sorphin | after the 12th, no more guarantee |
| 17:30.36 | Russ|werk | sorphin: so I have a suspicion it might be on the shipping dock |
| 17:30.37 | sorphin | cuz the "season' has started |
| 17:31.21 | sorphin | that makes no sense |
| 17:31.31 | sorphin | you're in pa, no? |
| 17:31.36 | Russ|werk | no, AZ |
| 17:31.52 | sorphin | then your in-addr.arpa lies |
| 17:32.14 | sorphin | *.ph.ph.cox.net ? |
| 17:32.15 | Morn | ph would be phoenix not phila |
| 17:32.19 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:32.22 | CosmicPenguin | cox.net is the cable company |
| 17:32.28 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i know that |
| 17:32.45 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: so technically, the IP Address could be anywhere in the country, am I right? |
| 17:32.56 | sorphin | least they could do is have ph.az.cox :P |
| 17:33.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: yes, but based on how most do their domains |
| 17:33.13 | sorphin | i.e. my dsl |
| 17:33.22 | sorphin | it does say stlsmo for a reason |
| 17:33.35 | CosmicPenguin | stlsmo? Isn't that a beach in California? |
| 17:33.38 | sorphin | no |
| 17:33.43 | sorphin | st louis, mo |
| 17:33.49 | CosmicPenguin | No - I'm pretty sure I watched a surfing competition there once |
| 17:33.54 | CosmicPenguin | Stlsmo Beach |
| 17:34.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:34.20 | sorphin | if i was on a beach, i sure as hell wouldn't be irc'ing |
| 17:34.27 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I would |
| 17:34.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: that's the difference between you and i |
| 17:34.44 | sorphin | when i vacation |
| 17:34.46 | sorphin | i'm offline |
| 17:34.54 | sorphin | and i stay that way for the most part |
| 17:34.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: now, give me a mountain range, and a stream to fish, and we're good to go |
| 17:35.12 | sorphin | ~fishslap cosmicpenguin |
| 17:35.14 | | ACTION slaps cosmicpenguin up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:35.19 | sorphin | there's your fish ;p |
| 17:36.04 | CosmicPenguin | mmm.... trout |
| 17:36.25 | CosmicPenguin | Or I guess, to be correct, it should be "mmmm.... unprocessed fish sticks" |
| 17:36.31 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:36.44 | sorphin | so who cooks? |
| 17:36.50 | sorphin | you or the "old shoe" ? |
| 17:37.17 | CosmicPenguin | me |
| 17:37.19 | CosmicPenguin | always me |
| 17:37.25 | CosmicPenguin | Tis one of my passions |
| 17:37.28 | sorphin | *can* she cook? |
| 17:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | Cassaroles and st uff |
| 17:37.47 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:37.49 | sorphin | i guess that's ok |
| 17:37.57 | CosmicPenguin | But when it comes to the good stuff, thats my domain |
| 17:38.02 | sorphin | so what's the cp speciality? |
| 17:38.14 | sorphin | microwindows surprise? :P *grin* |
| 17:38.30 | CosmicPenguin | When we build our house, she is allowed to design/decorate the entire house except for the kitchen and the study |
| 17:38.46 | sorphin | seriously tho, what's your speciality |
| 17:38.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I can make a killer Bologonese (meat) sauce for pasta |
| 17:38.58 | sorphin | cool |
| 17:38.59 | CosmicPenguin | Very authientic |
| 17:39.13 | CosmicPenguin | my general specialty is Italian |
| 17:39.26 | sorphin | italian is always a good thing |
| 17:40.01 | sorphin | my friend bruce owes me a buncha free meals *grin*.. and he used to be a cook at a chinese restaurant |
| 17:40.10 | file | mmm chinese... |
| 17:40.41 | sorphin | my 2 current faves are sweet & sour chicken and hot braised chicken |
| 17:42.01 | Russ|werk | sorphin: I don't know why they don't shell out the extra bucks and use the airport code, phx |
| 17:42.14 | sorphin | Russ|werk: yeah |
| 17:42.32 | sorphin | Russ|werk: even ph.az like i said, atleast something obvious |
| 17:42.39 | sorphin | ph.ph looks like phili |
| 17:42.45 | Russ|werk | thats how they do it in every area |
| 17:42.48 | sorphin | or someone just can't type |
| 17:43.15 | file | sorphin: which Rio? |
| 17:43.21 | sorphin | file: that 800 |
| 17:43.26 | file | sorphin: ahhhhh |
| 17:43.44 | file | sorphin: I forgot about it requiring proprietary expansion packs to expand it's memory... |
| 17:43.51 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:43.52 | sorphin | i saw that |
| 17:45.38 | file | mmm software driven MP3 decoder or embedded decoder... |
| 17:51.10 | CosmicPenguin | embedded decoder |
| 17:51.11 | CosmicPenguin | ruh |
| 17:53.58 | file | CosmicPenguin: I dunno |
| 17:54.02 | file | without exact specs... |
| 17:54.36 | CosmicPenguin | I think actally its firmware, IIRC, but you never know |
| 17:54.51 | file | that's what I was pondering |
| 17:55.46 | *** join/#tuxscreen sjhill (~NOYB@207-191-210-241.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net) |
| 17:55.56 | file | hey sjhill |
| 17:55.57 | CosmicPenguin | file: according to the SonicBlue FAQ, they *can* upgrade the firmware for Ogg, but they haven't decided if they are going to or not |
| 17:56.08 | sjhill | hi file |
| 17:56.14 | file | CosmicPenguin: so they say! |
| 17:56.22 | file | sjhill: what's up? |
| 17:56.35 | sjhill | file: working on MIPS-3D instructions into GCC |
| 17:56.48 | file | sjhill: what... no Nino hacking? |
| 17:57.00 | sjhill | some |
| 17:57.01 | sorphin | sjhill: yo |
| 17:57.14 | file | ok - your excused then |
| 17:57.28 | sjhill | lo' sorphin |
| 17:57.39 | sorphin | got my email reply? |
| 17:58.37 | sjhill | sorphin: yup |
| 17:58.41 | sorphin | k |
| 17:58.50 | sorphin | on another note |
| 17:58.53 | sorphin | how's your mips asm? :) |
| 17:59.09 | CosmicPenguin | mov |
| 17:59.17 | sjhill | sorphin: it's okay |
| 17:59.21 | sorphin | hmm |
| 17:59.26 | sorphin | define ok :P |
| 18:00.06 | prpplague | sjhill: lo |
| 18:00.16 | prpplague | sjhill: hows the job search going? |
| 18:00.18 | file | bah - the MP3 Decoder for the Cybiko Xtreme is embedded |
| 18:00.29 | sjhill | sorphin: i can write it and decipher it |
| 18:00.30 | sorphin | we got some stuff (ever heard of monte?) that needs to be ported to mips |
| 18:00.32 | sjhill | prpplague: crappy |
| 18:00.39 | sorphin | x86 > mips |
| 18:01.20 | sjhill | ooo...sounds like fun |
| 18:01.51 | sorphin | we're bypassing the stuff on the tivo series2 using a noinitrd'able kernel |
| 18:02.04 | sorphin | then wanna use monte to bootstrap to a custom kenrel |
| 18:02.35 | prpplague | sjhill: sorry to hear that |
| 18:02.38 | sorphin | can't just use a new kernel because the stock chip isn't flashable, so can't bypass the kernel signing checks |
| 18:02.40 | file | http://www.micronas.com/products/documentation/consumer/mas35x9f/index.php |
| 18:03.03 | sorphin | file: ah.. prprplague' favorite |
| 18:03.06 | sorphin | bubblechip |
| 18:03.51 | prpplague | sjhill: where you located again? |
| 18:03.58 | sorphin | he's in Iowa |
| 18:04.03 | sorphin | Cedar Rapids |
| 18:04.04 | sjhill | prpplague: Iowa...cows and pigs dude |
| 18:04.12 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: why Monte? |
| 18:04.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: cuz monte will work w/ a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:04.31 | sorphin | the other hting we found was for 2.5 |
| 18:04.45 | prpplague | sjhill: hmm, sysadmin stuff good for a temporary? |
| 18:05.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: there's lots of x86 bootloaders that will do 2.4 - I was just curious why you chose that one |
| 18:05.40 | file | I wonder if I can do some reverse engineering and find a way to get access to the MP3 Player's headphone jack |
| 18:06.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: tis the next thing we found that was easy enough to integrate... we're bootstrapping from a live kernel, via a module |
| 18:06.09 | sorphin | 2.03 kernel -> module -> new kenrel |
| 18:06.26 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: this is being done on mips |
| 18:06.30 | sorphin | soo... |
| 18:06.37 | sorphin | it has to be trivial to convert to mips |
| 18:06.55 | CosmicPenguin | file: lets get some samples and make our own mp3 devices |
| 18:07.07 | CosmicPenguin | Now, wheres my breadboard and wire wrap tool? |
| 18:07.11 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I see... |
| 18:07.12 | sorphin | hehe |
| 18:07.22 | file | CosmicPenguin: yah!!!! |
| 18:07.49 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: must put a badge on it somewhere that says TCSX-1 to torture file |
| 18:08.09 | file | I've got the Pro SDK for the Cybiko so I've got a native code compiler (assembler) |
| 18:08.49 | sorphin | file: but do you have the custom p32 explosive space modulator? |
| 18:09.07 | file | yup |
| 18:09.11 | CosmicPenguin | file: I'll bet prpplague could toss together some shematics to stick that chip on a PCI board... :) |
| 18:09.12 | prpplague | sjhill: whats your email? i'll put a post up on the ace/truevalue and doitbest group mailling lists |
| 18:09.30 | file | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:09.31 | sorphin | prpplague: heh |
| 18:09.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: sorry wasn;t following, which chip? |
| 18:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | <file> http://www.micronas.com/products/documentation/consumer/mas35x9f/index.php |
| 18:09.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: MP3 ASIC |
| 18:10.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh |
| 18:10.23 | prpplague | sjhill: what not interested in a linux sysadmin job? |
| 18:10.41 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, i am :P |
| 18:10.42 | sjhill | prpplague: oh, that would be fine...sure |
| 18:11.05 | sorphin | prpplague: he just saw all the hardware store references |
| 18:11.11 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, thats what I was thinking |
| 18:11.16 | sorphin | and thought he'd be selling stuff |
| 18:11.30 | CosmicPenguin | maybe in Texas, the sysadmins also sell screwdrivers |
| 18:11.34 | prpplague | sorphin: ohh |
| 18:11.38 | sorphin | "would you like some drillbits w/ your drill" ? |
| 18:11.49 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, I need a 2x4, a galon of white paint, and a mail server |
| 18:11.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: prolly |
| 18:11.56 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:12.10 | file | prpplague: it's the chip used in the Cybiko Xtreme MP3 Player |
| 18:12.36 | sorphin | prpplague: ok i want that tractor over there, a couple of boxes of roofing nails, and a quad xeon to go please |
| 18:12.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its more like "i'll take a bag of deer corn, a couple of salt bricks, and register my domain" |
| 18:13.00 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeehah... |
| 18:13.23 | prpplague | seriously, where i work is on 3600 scre ranch, the nearest town is 20 minutes away, and only has one red light |
| 18:13.30 | sorphin | No match for domain "PRPPLAGUE.COM". |
| 18:13.33 | file | prpplague: Cybiko ended up giving all their closed source stuff to one of their investors because they went under |
| 18:13.35 | sorphin | ;) |
| 18:13.56 | file | had to refund them |
| 18:14.07 | prpplague | sjhill: you got an email address i can post? |
| 18:15.11 | sjhill | prpplague: <sjhill@realitydiluted.com> |
| 18:15.37 | prpplague | sjhill: otw |
| 18:15.45 | prpplague | sjhill: hope you get some bites |
| 18:15.49 | sorphin | prpplague: if you happen to see any for my area ;) |
| 18:16.00 | prpplague | sorphin: where is that? |
| 18:16.04 | sorphin | st louis |
| 18:17.26 | prpplague | sorphin: what the hell is the two letter code for that? |
| 18:17.43 | sorphin | 2 letter? |
| 18:17.58 | sorphin | unless you mean the state ;p |
| 18:18.00 | sorphin | MO |
| 18:18.20 | prpplague | sorphin: MO, ya we only have some jobs in kanass right now |
| 18:18.28 | sorphin | ah well |
| 18:18.37 | prpplague | sorphin: paxton wood source is look for someone |
| 18:18.47 | sorphin | ? |
| 18:20.10 | prpplague | sorphin: labanon, St. robert,maryland Hts., biehle, cabool,cedar hill |
| 18:20.23 | prpplague | sorphin: looks like there are a few in MO |
| 18:20.34 | prpplague | sorphin: don't see anything for St.Louis |
| 18:20.45 | sorphin | maryland heights is a suburb of stl |
| 18:21.05 | prpplague | sorphin: eime hardware |
| 18:21.11 | prpplague | sorphin: eww, they are on SCO |
| 18:21.15 | sorphin | eww |
| 18:21.51 | prpplague | sorphin: we have 127 locations in MO |
| 18:21.58 | prpplague | sorphin: didn't realize we had that many |
| 18:22.19 | sorphin | yup, i know where the True Values are |
| 18:24.33 | sorphin | dunno who doitbest are |
| 18:26.23 | CosmicPenguin | Thats James Bond - nobody does it better.... :) |
| 18:26.50 | file | lol |
| 18:31.35 | prpplague | sorphin: they are only in certain parts of the country |
| 18:33.43 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: do you often use the int CalcTransformationCoefficientsBest function? |
| 18:34.36 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: you're telling me...this MIPS-3D stuff is tough |
| 18:35.27 | sorphin | eww.. why the hell is this going so slow |
| 18:35.49 | sorphin | ugh |
| 18:35.51 | sorphin | i see why |
| 18:35.55 | CosmicPenguin | Heh.... ironically, this function was originally written for a MIPs device.... :) |
| 18:36.01 | sorphin | *.ip.att.net in the route now |
| 18:36.13 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: the bastards! |
| 18:36.44 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: dropped a transfer from 165K/sec |
| 18:36.48 | sorphin | to 29K/sec |
| 18:36.50 | prpplague | sjhill: here is a job for sysadmin on a grain silo........ |
| 18:37.03 | sorphin | prpplague: you're joking, right? |
| 18:37.13 | prpplague | no |
| 18:37.15 | sorphin | what they got? a cluster of cows? |
| 18:37.16 | sorphin | :P |
| 18:37.22 | prpplague | sorphin: seems its all automated |
| 18:37.43 | sjhill | prpplague: that sounds cool |
| 18:37.49 | sorphin | running Mooix ;p |
| 18:38.10 | sjhill | bwhahaha |
| 18:38.38 | sorphin | sjhill: your workstation will be a Gateway :P |
| 18:38.50 | sjhill | gaahh |
| 18:42.49 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: wouldn't The Hurd be a better OS for that situation? |
| 18:43.01 | prpplague | lol |
| 18:43.16 | sorphin | prolly |
| 18:43.42 | CosmicPenguin | I'm glad that the job isn't at a zoo |
| 18:44.02 | CosmicPenguin | After enough gnu references, you would probably go on a shooting spree |
| 18:44.48 | sorphin | rule of thumb |
| 18:44.53 | sorphin | never pull video during the day |
| 18:45.16 | sorphin | cuz it seems the universities actually use the bandwidth |
| 19:01.31 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ever order those blanks/burn anything yet? |
| 19:02.14 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: other things have attracted my interest for now |
| 19:02.24 | sorphin | yeah |
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| 19:12.57 | sorphin | Morn: re |
| 19:13.09 | sorphin | scanline: someone else leeching? *grin* |
| 19:13.14 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: yeah, that's the one tpcal uses |
| 19:13.24 | Morn | well folks, I'm out of here, off to a holiday part |
| 19:13.27 | Morn | party |
| 19:13.31 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: tpcal requires floating point, but it isn't a problem since that's only for calibration.. the actual input driver is all integer |
| 19:13.32 | sorphin | have fun |
| 19:13.44 | scanline | sorphin: dunno, maybe brandon or one of my other friends that has ssh access |
| 19:14.43 | scanline | hmm.. maybe they capped my bandwidth again :( |
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| 19:15.25 | sorphin | dunno |
| 19:15.41 | sorphin | could be this damn att.net i'm wandering through before colorado.edu |
| 19:27.00 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: I'm sticking the calibration stuff into the engine itself - maybe I should reconsider? |
| 19:27.33 | CosmicPenguin | I kinda want to keep things open - just have somebody pass in a minx/maxx and miny/maxy and have it magically work |
| 19:28.27 | scanline | i suppose |
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| 20:03.17 | CosmicPenguin | I hate forcing people to use my code if they don't want it |
| 20:05.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: code rape? |
| 20:06.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I was thinking of a calibrator... I don't want my calibrator to be the only one that works with microwindows |
| 20:07.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 20:07.52 | file | I need a disk... |
| 20:08.10 | file | if I can't play my game in Windows - DOS then! |
| 20:08.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so are you documenting your TS fun? |
| 20:09.09 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: eh? |
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| 20:10.34 | CosmicPenguin | hmm.... I don't know what I want to do about jitter control |
| 20:11.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: your calibrator, are you making good notes about what you learn? |
| 20:12.06 | file | bbl |
| 20:12.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ohh... yeah... : |
| 20:12.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've done this once or twice before... :) |
| 20:13.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ohh, i've not :( |
| 20:14.05 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: .. :) Don't worry, you are in good hands |
| 20:14.14 | CosmicPenguin | specifically, scanline's hands |
| 20:14.20 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 20:14.46 | scanline | haha |
| 20:15.03 | scanline | If you want to see the filtering I used, here's a link: |
| 20:15.39 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgui/pgserver/input/if_touchscreen.c?rev=1.9&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 20:16.00 | sorphin | scanline: eithe they did cap you, or someone'e pulling some serious pr0n |
| 20:16.15 | scanline | that'd be tricky, considering I don't have any pr0n on navi... |
| 20:16.38 | scanline | if they did cap me, I'm moving out for the holidays in a week or so anyway |
| 20:16.50 | scanline | and when I come back I'll get a different IP |
| 20:17.19 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: interesting.... you load your calibration information from a file..... I was trying to get away from that and make the calibrator do all the work |
| 20:17.42 | sorphin | it should take that long to pull these remaining 14 avis ;) |
| 20:17.44 | CosmicPenguin | scanline: ahh, thats BlR's code... :) |
| 20:17.48 | sorphin | at 20K/sec |
| 20:17.50 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: the server will load from a file if it exists, plus it accepts calibration data inside an event |
| 20:18.06 | scanline | so the calibrator sends an event with new data to the server, and the server uses it immediately and optionally also saves to a file |
| 20:18.14 | CosmicPenguin | I see.... |
| 20:18.16 | scanline | yep :) |
| 20:18.31 | CosmicPenguin | Hmm....... what to do, what to do... |
| 20:20.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, i'd really like to learn more about the TS stuff |
| 20:21.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've got a basic calibrator for the z runn x, but its far from the quality of the picogui stuff |
| 20:21.37 | scanline | well, most of my stuff is stolen from microwindows or the VR3 :) |
| 20:24.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lots of math in there - much easy to borrow than to write your own |
| 20:24.18 | sorphin | scanline: i don't think this is a cap.. if it is they're decrementing ;p new file started, down to 14k doh.. maybe i'll see how it is at night ;) |
| 20:24.41 | scanline | doh.. that sucks |
| 20:24.55 | scanline | CosmicPenguin: not that much math... just some linear algebra and signal processing :) |
| 20:25.32 | sorphin | scanline: so if you're awake at midnight /m a new url, so i can start that run while it's still late ;) |
| 20:25.40 | scanline | ok :) |
| 20:25.51 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:26.07 | sorphin | any word on the missing episodes? *grin* |
| 20:26.34 | scanline | every once and a while captain_proton sends me some new ones, but they're hard to find |
| 20:26.45 | scanline | not that I've been looking though.. haven't done much file sharing stuff in a while |
| 20:27.12 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:27.17 | sorphin | okie |
| 20:27.34 | sorphin | just thought i'd ask ;) |
| 20:28.02 | scanline | right now I'm trying to hack together a working version of this Surface engine for jetstream, so we can demo it tonight |
| 20:28.12 | sorphin | 138 episodes plus 2 movies |
| 20:28.33 | scanline | mmm, movies |
| 20:28.42 | sorphin | yup |
| 20:28.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya well, i hate not understanding basic concepts |
| 20:28.47 | scanline | jetstream, another pet project of mine... a game :) |
| 20:28.49 | sorphin | according to imdb, there were 2 movies |
| 20:28.53 | sorphin | ah |
| 20:29.26 | sorphin | scanline: # MacGyver: Lost Treasure of Atlantis (1994) (TV) |
| 20:29.27 | sorphin | # MacGyver: Trail to Doomsday (1994) (TV) |
| 20:29.38 | sorphin | and there's a MacGyver 2004 |
| 20:29.41 | sorphin | w/ nothing in it yet |
| 20:29.46 | sorphin | which means somehting's planned |
| 20:33.02 | prpplague | sorphin: # MacGyver: In Search of Lost FarScape Episodes |
| 20:36.10 | sorphin | prpplague: um... no thanks |
| 20:36.59 | prpplague | sorphin: # MacGyver: Tails from a Night at the Nudie Bar |
| 20:37.10 | sorphin | ;) |
| 20:37.30 | sorphin | new ways to use ducktape ;) |
| 20:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - you should see what he can do with a quarter and short length of rubber tubbing |
| 20:40.40 | CosmicPenguin | tubing too |
| 20:41.23 | sorphin | no thanks |
| 20:45.42 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I doubt Greg will accept this code |
| 20:45.48 | CosmicPenguin | It will take me days just to explain it |
| 20:45.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:45.55 | sorphin | that's his problem ;p |
| 20:46.24 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, but he's the code maintainer |
| 20:46.42 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I really don't want to have to maintain a tree of my own - though I will if I have to |
| 20:46.48 | CosmicPenguin | microwin-0.89-jhc1 |
| 20:47.10 | sorphin | henry? :P |
| 20:47.14 | sorphin | harold? |
| 20:47.23 | sorphin | heinrick? |
| 20:49.44 | *** join/#tuxscreen TomW (tom@147seg-pc-1624-14.msns.str.ptd.net) |
| 20:50.15 | sorphin | afternoon tom |
| 20:50.57 | TomW | check this little gem out! http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpalrmt.html |
| 20:51.03 | TomW | I just ordered three of them. |
| 20:51.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:51.27 | sorphin | from where? |
| 20:51.30 | sorphin | says it's out of stock |
| 20:53.19 | sorphin | sjhill: apparently the asm we need to convert is trivial, so if you wanna pick up some boring asm to breeze through ;) |
| 20:53.41 | prpplague | TomW: hwody |
| 20:54.09 | TomW | You can get them from: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html |
| 20:54.30 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:54.31 | prpplague | TomW: wow |
| 20:54.38 | prpplague | TomW: $7.95? |
| 20:54.41 | sorphin | no |
| 20:54.43 | sorphin | 212.95 |
| 20:54.45 | sorphin | erm |
| 20:54.48 | sorphin | $12.95 |
| 20:54.50 | TomW | sorphin: it was out of stock on that site, but those people have them for $12.95 + shipping. More than the $7.95, but... |
| 20:54.54 | sorphin | that 2nd url |
| 20:55.10 | sorphin | still cheaper than 399.95 ;) |
| 20:55.22 | sorphin | TomW: should get tim to buy the remaining ;) |
| 20:55.30 | prpplague | TomW: wow |
| 20:55.35 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 20:55.40 | prpplague | TomW: just give them a call and order? |
| 20:55.42 | CosmicPenguin | No modem though |
| 20:55.48 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm |
| 20:55.52 | sorphin | the 2nd page ones have a modem |
| 20:55.53 | sorphin | :P |
| 20:56.00 | sorphin | prpplague: go to the 2nd page ;p |
| 20:56.06 | sorphin | there's a link to buy |
| 20:56.13 | TomW | prpplague: the CL-PS7500FE is a 40 MIPS processor, but it has a killer LCD interface built into, IIRC it is capable of 1024x768 DSTN 16million color. |
| 20:56.13 | sorphin | http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html <--- that one |
| 20:56.37 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: ISA slot though.. ;-) |
| 20:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: oops, didn't see that page |
| 20:56.53 | sorphin | network card ;) |
| 20:56.58 | sorphin | hmm |
| 20:57.01 | sorphin | shall i order 1 or 2 |
| 20:57.02 | prpplague | TomW: mmu? |
| 20:57.05 | TomW | prpplague: I paypal'ed mine with my paypal debit card. |
| 20:57.13 | TomW | prpplague: yes, it has an MMU. |
| 20:57.25 | sorphin | TomW: clock scaleable at all? |
| 20:57.28 | TomW | prpplague: EDO RAM not SDRAM |
| 20:57.44 | prpplague | TomW: sounds like fun |
| 20:57.49 | TomW | sorphin: scaleable clockrate, IIRC. |
| 20:57.54 | sorphin | cool |
| 20:58.19 | TomW | prpplague: there is even a page that you can get the flash utils, toolchain, and a kernel source for it! |
| 20:58.21 | sorphin | TomW: ummm |
| 20:58.26 | sorphin | a MIPS proc? |
| 20:58.28 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.30 | sorphin | is what then say |
| 20:58.41 | TomW | no, 40 MIPS performance. |
| 20:58.55 | sjhill | 7500...nice little processor |
| 20:59.04 | sjhill | so is the 7212 |
| 20:59.08 | sorphin | an arm that performs like a mips? :P |
| 20:59.17 | andersee | ide connecter. nice |
| 20:59.36 | prpplague | TomW: very nice, i wonder how many they have |
| 20:59.37 | sorphin | mini flood: |
| 20:59.40 | sorphin | Cirrus Logic's PS7500FE includes a 32-bit ARM processor with cache and MMU; a floating point unit supporting single, double and extended precision that accelerates Java applets and audio/video codecs; a true-color (24-bit) display controller with support for both CRT and LCD panel (single/dual scan); CD-quality audio controller; memory controller with support for EDO DRAM, SRAM, Flash and ROM; ISA-style bus controller to connect |
| 21:00.04 | andersee | Too bad max memory i sjust 32M |
| 21:00.06 | sorphin | prpplague: they'll have prolly 2 less in a few mins ;) |
| 21:00.22 | TomW | andersee: heh, but only $13. |
| 21:00.34 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: I got three of 'em. |
| 21:00.43 | sorphin | TomW: i always buy in pairs for some reason |
| 21:00.46 | sorphin | well |
| 21:00.48 | sorphin | i try to |
| 21:00.51 | sorphin | 2 tuxes |
| 21:00.55 | sorphin | 2 of these |
| 21:01.02 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I don't need that many, and plus, I've got access to STBs with a MPEG encoder and Rj45 on them for free... :) |
| 21:01.12 | TomW | sorphin: that is because you're afraid of being called "odd". |
| 21:01.14 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: unless you get canned |
| 21:01.25 | sorphin | TomW: no, it's for redundancy |
| 21:01.54 | prpplague | well, i'm gonna order a handful just to play with |
| 21:01.56 | sorphin | coo |
| 21:01.59 | sorphin | i beat 3pm PST |
| 21:02.13 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:02.14 | TomW | heh, we'll end up slashdot'ing their ordering system, crash the windoze box behind it, and then NOBODY will get one? :-( |
| 21:02.19 | sorphin | 3 port firewire card |
| 21:02.21 | sorphin | $12.95 |
| 21:02.34 | sorphin | this place has some interesting stuff |
| 21:02.48 | sorphin | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/ |
| 21:02.53 | sorphin | is the main page of the place |
| 21:02.59 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: heh, they might have one ;p |
| 21:03.03 | TomW | sorphin: LOL, Holiday gifts for yourself, eh? |
| 21:03.11 | sorphin | TomW: damn right ;) |
| 21:03.22 | TomW | heh |
| 21:03.54 | TomW | Think we ought to message this out the TuxScreen mail? |
| 21:04.05 | TomW | or, keep it to ourselves? |
| 21:04.23 | sorphin | TomW: keep to ourselves till everone has ordered ;) |
| 21:04.31 | sorphin | sjhill: whatever you know you want one ;p |
| 21:04.34 | CosmicPenguin | http://siliconkit.dnsalias.com/cart/ |
| 21:04.48 | sjhill | sorphin: these prices....this stuff has to be hot |
| 21:04.54 | sorphin | shit |
| 21:04.57 | prpplague | crap, they won't ship to different address than your billing address :( |
| 21:05.04 | sorphin | tihs place has that HDD kergoth was talkinga bout |
| 21:05.16 | TomW | prpplague: no paypal account? |
| 21:05.17 | sorphin | prpplague: ugh.. that blows |
| 21:05.26 | sorphin | TomW: that don't matter |
| 21:05.35 | prpplague | TomW: naw, never gotten around to setting that up |
| 21:05.36 | TomW | sorphin: not really. |
| 21:05.36 | sorphin | a lot of places won't ship to your non confirmed addie |
| 21:05.57 | CosmicPenguin | hmm... should I get the IDE adapter above, or this one instead: http://siliconkit.dnsalias.com/cart/ |
| 21:05.59 | TomW | prpplague: come on there, get with the program why don't ya'? |
| 21:06.02 | CosmicPenguin | Ahh, nuts |
| 21:06.04 | sorphin | so i end up opting for USPS or fedex if i can |
| 21:06.17 | prpplague | TomW: ya,ya |
| 21:06.37 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: try real links ;) |
| 21:06.40 | CosmicPenguin | Probably an adapter that plugs into a cable is more flexable |
| 21:06.55 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its a crappy website. Go yourself. The links are from the front page (the center one and the right one) |
| 21:07.12 | sorphin | k |
| 21:07.23 | CosmicPenguin | Or rather, the two center ones |
| 21:07.23 | sorphin | i think i'll snag one of these cheap firewire cards too |
| 21:07.42 | prpplague | TomW: i don't see an option for paying via paypal |
| 21:08.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I'm thinking that TCF40 is the best bet |
| 21:08.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm.. what page is it on? |
| 21:08.28 | sorphin | i'm not getting ot where you are |
| 21:08.45 | TomW | prpplague: with paypal you can get a debit card, or, you can grab a one-time use MasterCard number to purchase something from a single vendor. |
| 21:09.35 | sjhill | yes! finally found a nice powerpuff girls t-shirt on ebay...geez |
| 21:09.59 | TomW | prpplague: each time you need to make a purchase, you go back to paypal (web account) and get another number to use. They will only use that number once for one transaction against your paypal account balance. |
| 21:10.05 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: ok. Go to siliconkit.dnsalias.com |
| 21:10.15 | CosmicPenguin | Wait for the DHTML, and a page with 4 hardware devices should pop up down below |
| 21:10.24 | TomW | sjhill: takes so little to please you, doesn't it? ;) |
| 21:10.43 | sjhill | TomW: yeah...i find setting my standards low keeps me happy :) |
| 21:11.39 | TomW | sjhill: heh, sounds like you got a young daughter. |
| 21:12.03 | sjhill | TomW: *blush* no, i LIKE the powerpuff girls...the shirt is for me! |
| 21:12.10 | TomW | lol |
| 21:12.18 | ][N-Flux | powerpuff's rock |
| 21:12.24 | sjhill | word up |
| 21:12.41 | ][N-Flux | this seagate utility is slow |
| 21:12.58 | sorphin | SON OF A BITCH |
| 21:13.20 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i don't be going back to that site ever again |
| 21:13.26 | sorphin | s/don't/won't/ |
| 21:14.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: why not? |
| 21:14.14 | sorphin | it just crashed phoenix |
| 21:14.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: doh |
| 21:14.19 | sorphin | and took my fucking hisory w/ it |
| 21:14.21 | sorphin | history |
| 21:14.23 | Russ|werk | running on mozilla 1.2.0 stock? |
| 21:14.29 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: siliconkit.dnsalias.com |
| 21:14.59 | sorphin | Russ|werk: i'm running phoenix, so whatever libs .3 came w/ |
| 21:15.11 | sorphin | dammit |
| 21:15.24 | sorphin | i don't think i bookmarked everything either |
| 21:15.48 | Russ|werk | 1.2.0 stock had a serious bug |
| 21:15.50 | sorphin | why the hell doesn't phoenix save it's history 9it waits for a graceful exit to do so |
| 21:16.31 | TomW | sorphin: netscape was the same way with it's bookmarks. Crash it, or Kill it and you lost what you tagged. |
| 21:16.42 | sorphin | yeah |
| 21:16.42 | sorphin | i remember |
| 21:20.26 | CosmicPenguin | Ok, so anyone wanna chip in to have some RS232 boards printed up |
| 21:20.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 21:20.39 | sjhill | CosmicPenguin: sure |
| 21:21.07 | CosmicPenguin | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/rs232.html |
| 21:21.50 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:22.21 | Russ|werk | I'll chip in |
| 21:23.10 | sorphin | well, mine are ordered. |
| 21:23.28 | sorphin | i'll just have ot wait an extra day |
| 21:23.40 | Russ|werk | what was that place where you could have a panel made for $12 |
| 21:23.45 | sorphin | prpplague: i need to go up ot ups and sign the waver |
| 21:24.17 | sorphin | prpplague: if you give them written concent, they'll leave your shit at your house, regardless, which is what i want, since they suck compared to fedex |
| 21:24.33 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you getting in on this? |
| 21:24.49 | sorphin | Russ|werk: 4pcb.net ? |
| 21:24.53 | sorphin | or something |
| 21:25.08 | sorphin | wait that's right |
| 21:25.11 | sorphin | 4pcb was free |
| 21:25.20 | sorphin | for your 1st 3 boards or something |
| 21:25.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just got back to my desk |
| 21:25.39 | TomW | sorphin: naw, FedEx is the one that sux around here, they can never find my house. I have to "talk" the drivers in. :-/ |
| 21:25.40 | sorphin | 4pcb.com |
| 21:25.47 | Russ|werk | there was some place that would do one sided panels with no mask and only certain drill sizes for really cheap |
| 21:26.04 | sorphin | TomW: welll |
| 21:26.07 | TomW | sorphin: don't know why, I live along the highway, mailbox has the street number on it, and UPS never has a problem. |
| 21:26.10 | sorphin | ups makes me call to have them hold it |
| 21:26.17 | Russ|werk | no, thats not it |
| 21:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: same with me... :( |
| 21:26.18 | sorphin | the ni have to go the next biz day to get it |
| 21:26.23 | sorphin | however |
| 21:26.29 | sorphin | fedex, i can get it that same night |
| 21:26.31 | sorphin | no probs |
| 21:26.43 | sorphin | cuz THEY don't leave it on the fucking truck like UPS does |
| 21:26.46 | TomW | Russ|werk: yeah, 4pcb.com does that stuff. You have to goto their "specials" link to find it. |
| 21:26.50 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: and I live over here <------------------------- and UPS is clear over here ----------------------> |
| 21:27.10 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i think i might swing by there tonight |
| 21:27.15 | sorphin | sign the fscking waver |
| 21:27.18 | sorphin | and be done w/ it |
| 21:27.28 | sorphin | i wish more places would use fedex gnd |
| 21:27.31 | sorphin | it's the same damn rates |
| 21:27.39 | sorphin | and fedex isn't as rough w/ packages |
| 21:27.48 | TomW | sorphin: do you live in a condo, or apt house or something? |
| 21:27.52 | sorphin | condo |
| 21:28.06 | sorphin | i've had shit left many times |
| 21:28.09 | TomW | k, guess they don't like your neighbors then. |
| 21:28.09 | sorphin | just not by ups |
| 21:28.18 | sorphin | usps don't care |
| 21:28.20 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: you want me to make up a gerber and send it to 4pcb.com? |
| 21:28.22 | sorphin | airborne don't care |
| 21:28.35 | TomW | sorphin: lotta crack heads live there too, or something? |
| 21:28.36 | TomW | heh |
| 21:28.41 | sorphin | no |
| 21:28.45 | sorphin | mostly old people |
| 21:29.04 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: sure.... We should find out how many we need |
| 21:29.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok what am i looking for? |
| 21:29.17 | Russ|werk | well, the boards they make a 6x4 |
| 21:29.19 | sorphin | how much? i'll chip in (for 2) |
| 21:29.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: See those two pictures of the adapters in the center? |
| 21:29.36 | Russ|werk | so I would put however many would fit, and then cut them with a saw or something |
| 21:29.45 | TomW | that should be safe then, if anyone steals your stuff then one of the old people will know who did it. Like, they got nothing better to do than to spy on everyone else. |
| 21:30.09 | Russ|werk | I could also make the bottom half a shanip2 mod or something |
| 21:30.12 | sorphin | TomW: well, the prob is, as i said, it's ups |
| 21:30.25 | sorphin | they suck |
| 21:30.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes? |
| 21:30.40 | sorphin | because of that |
| 21:30.48 | sorphin | prpplague: he's going on about those adapters |
| 21:31.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: which one should I get for the webpal? I'm thinking the TFC40, because it doesn't plug directly into the pins |
| 21:31.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: your general opinion? |
| 21:31.49 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: I'm definately in for 1, but I might get two in case I screw up my soldering (which is a good bet) |
| 21:31.55 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: are you talking about a cf<->ide adapter? |
| 21:32.01 | CosmicPenguin | Russ|werk: yeah.. :) |
| 21:32.03 | sorphin | ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:32.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: they use a JAVA menu |
| 21:32.16 | sorphin | no wonder it crashed |
| 21:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, I know.... |
| 21:32.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: these are the ones i use - http://www.abiatech.com/fb4617.htm |
| 21:32.26 | Russ|werk | CosmicPenguin: it'd be hella easy soldering, I may even pull in a favor and run it through a wave solderer, but then I'd have to have all the components |
| 21:33.10 | sorphin | so how much per ? |
| 21:33.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't see a price |
| 21:34.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they are $20 too |
| 21:34.40 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: plus they plug right into the pins... I wonder if an adapter that plugs into a cable might be more flexible in something like the WebPal |
| 21:35.21 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: why not get a cheap notebook drive and stick in it? |
| 21:35.41 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: I'm a huge CF fan..... |
| 21:35.41 | sorphin | TomW: heh, that's what i did w/ my Websurfer Pro |
| 21:35.51 | sorphin | cept the drive wasn't cheap enough at the time :/ |
| 21:35.55 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: mainly because I can program it with my laptop and go |
| 21:35.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: we use them in lots of thin clients |
| 21:36.02 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: true. |
| 21:36.04 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, most of our stuff uses them too |
| 21:36.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i order 10 units |
| 21:36.34 | TomW | I like the fact it has an ISA slot, that way I can put / build an ethernet card for it. |
| 21:36.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: in fact, my buildroot is custom made for a CF - you just type make, and make disk and it automatically writes the bootloader and image onto the CF |
| 21:36.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: same here |
| 21:37.15 | TomW | I still have a couple of the SMSC9196 lan cards I built for the EZ328SIMM that I could hardware into the bus. |
| 21:37.40 | prpplague | TomW: can't you use some of the cheap isa 10baseT cards without modification on non x86 platforms? |
| 21:37.43 | CosmicPenguin | heh - this reminds me of looking for a 3.3v PCMCIA card for the tux |
| 21:38.08 | prpplague | TomW: did they send you and email with a tracking number? |
| 21:38.14 | sorphin | if words comes to workse |
| 21:38.17 | sorphin | if worse even |
| 21:38.30 | sorphin | i could make a board *grin* |
| 21:38.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: somebody should get a bulk order of the CF <-> IDE adapters too, if enough people want them |
| 21:39.01 | sorphin | prpplague: i got a confirm email |
| 21:39.02 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: http://www.openhardware.net/ez328simm/drawings/LargePictureEther.jpg |
| 21:39.07 | sorphin | no trackyet |
| 21:39.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, let me make a call |
| 21:39.41 | Russ|werk | I just emailed the 4pcb people and asked them about routing and scoring |
| 21:40.01 | Russ|werk | sorphin: that integrates into an SRAM bus? |
| 21:40.07 | Russ|werk | er, TomW |
| 21:40.10 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:40.23 | sorphin | it looks like a sim edge |
| 21:40.28 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I got the confirm, but it is an auto confirm. I won't feel happy unless they send tracking, or paypal says that they took the money |
| 21:40.39 | TomW | Russ|werk: eh? |
| 21:40.40 | sorphin | TomW: yeah |
| 21:40.49 | Russ|werk | TomW: what does that plug into |
| 21:41.10 | sorphin | TomW: i couldn't do the paypal bit, since the card address isn't my confirmed address, so i'd still be in the same boat ;p |
| 21:41.37 | TomW | Russ|werk: Custom RAM bus. It was on a M68EZ328 system, but the bus timings are almost exactly the intel shapings. |
| 21:41.55 | CosmicPenguin | I think I might have an old 3Com ISA card.... |
| 21:42.00 | Russ|werk | so would that work for this web tv top thing? |
| 21:42.00 | sorphin | we should be able to use an isa card |
| 21:42.04 | sorphin | just have to port the driver |
| 21:42.06 | prpplague | sorphin: ya i got a confirm email as well, just wondering if they will give me a tracking number as well |
| 21:42.13 | sorphin | prpplague: eventually |
| 21:42.19 | TomW | Russ|werk: the databus is hardware byte swapped, but, if you hardwire it in, you can reswap. |
| 21:42.19 | sorphin | that's the same thing w/ the tivo |
| 21:42.29 | sorphin | i'm using an ne2k compat card |
| 21:42.37 | sorphin | just had to port the driver over |
| 21:42.40 | sorphin | works fine |
| 21:42.44 | sorphin | and the S1 tivo is a ppc |
| 21:43.28 | sorphin | as long as it's a real isa slot (or rather enough of one) the hardware will be happy |
| 21:44.15 | sorphin | the tivo "isa" slot was done via a GAL |
| 21:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: good eye, by the way.... :) |
| 21:44.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm checking with my supplier now |
| 21:44.27 | sorphin | and tied to the edge conn |
| 21:44.28 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: sweet! |
| 21:44.44 | sorphin | TomW: indeed, find anything else, be sure ot mention it ;) |
| 21:44.51 | TomW | Russ|werk: probably. I did the pcb in Eagle, you could have the project files if you want them (Eagle libs, etc). If you wanted to mod it. The xformer was the wrong one, I had to drill the PCB to mount the correct device. Other than that, it worked fine. |
| 21:45.57 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:46.04 | Russ|werk | a board with a qfp100 doesn't take long to route |
| 21:46.06 | sorphin | spamassassin flagged their confirmation email |
| 21:46.12 | prpplague | TomW: did you order your stuff 2nd day? |
| 21:46.30 | TomW | Russ|werk: I only got four blank boards left, sorry. |
| 21:46.31 | sorphin | prpplague: their shipping was outrageous |
| 21:46.52 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed |
| 21:47.25 | CosmicPenguin | almost as much as the actual board... :) |
| 21:47.29 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:47.31 | TomW | Russ|werk: for that matter, I have SMSC9196 chips on hand (a couple) and the CS8900A as well (maybe 8). One way or the other, it will get an ethernet. |
| 21:47.49 | TomW | sorphin: that is how they make "more" profit. |
| 21:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: if nothing else, you can do PPP over the serial port - there are two of them |
| 21:47.59 | sorphin | TomW: like some ebay merchants |
| 21:48.28 | sorphin | i'm gonna try my remaining eagle card |
| 21:48.28 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, well, PPP is a _last_ resort, wouldn't you agree? |
| 21:48.36 | sorphin | if the tivo can do an isa card |
| 21:48.39 | sorphin | this thing can ;p |
| 21:48.51 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: with my hardware skills, no soldering is good soldering... :) |
| 21:48.56 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: but an ISA card would be nicer |
| 21:48.56 | TomW | heh |
| 21:49.52 | TomW | I'd rather wish that the thing had a PCI slot. I just got some PCI ethernet cards (RT8139) that are tiny! 1.25 inches tall, and abt 3 inches long. |
| 21:50.11 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: i'll let you know how my eagle does.. (tho i only have 1 left dammit.. cuz i screwed one up trying to decide how to wire a remote jack onto it :/ ) |
| 21:50.12 | CosmicPenguin | sigh...... good ol' 8139too |
| 21:50.17 | MonMotha | ah yes, the small 8139 reference design |
| 21:50.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:50.26 | sorphin | i have a dlink one of those |
| 21:50.27 | TomW | The fit well into the FreeTech.com bookpc cases (ITX motherboards). |
| 21:50.35 | MonMotha | they've become rather popular these days..in fact I think that's what the "microsoft networking" ethernet cards are :) |
| 21:50.43 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, thats the card I got free after rebate at office pax the other day |
| 21:50.50 | CosmicPenguin | s/pax/max/ |
| 21:50.54 | sorphin | MonMotha: they're what the dlink card is |
| 21:50.59 | sorphin | the 530+ |
| 21:51.00 | CosmicPenguin | our STB uses them too |
| 21:51.07 | MonMotha | sorphin: really? |
| 21:51.14 | sorphin | erm 530tx+ |
| 21:51.22 | MonMotha | sorphin: from the pictures on the box they looked like an 8139, but I've never seen an actual board |
| 21:51.25 | sorphin | dlink hcanged chipsets |
| 21:51.33 | sorphin | 1st card wasn't |
| 21:51.38 | sorphin | the + version is a 8139 |
| 21:51.41 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: definately a 8139 - I've got one installed as we speak |
| 21:51.49 | MonMotha | ah |
| 21:52.11 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: it is just a clone of the reference design? or did they at least design their own board? |
| 21:52.16 | sorphin | MonMotha: eth0: D-Link DFE-538TX (RealTek RTL8139) at 0xf8800000, 00:50:ba:60:9f:a3, IRQ 10 |
| 21:52.17 | sorphin | eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8139C' |
| 21:52.22 | sorphin | :) |
| 21:52.36 | CosmicPenguin | MonMotha: I can't tell.... they look like their old boards, and the RT8139 could have just been dropped in |
| 21:52.37 | sorphin | very very simple board |
| 21:52.51 | MonMotha | the dlink 530TX is a via rhine based board running do a davicom |
| 21:52.55 | sorphin | yup |
| 21:53.02 | CosmicPenguin | The RT8139 chip is the same pin out as several other models, including the MacPhyter (Netgear) |
| 21:53.04 | sorphin | the + isn't |
| 21:53.06 | MonMotha | I never bothered to figure out why both of them are on there (I have a mobo with just a davicom chip on it) |
| 21:53.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok he's checking on an order of cf-ide adapters |
| 21:53.24 | sorphin | MonMotha: i didn't evne know till i got it home |
| 21:53.25 | MonMotha | btw, anyone have a good toutorial on ISA? |
| 21:53.32 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: can you wire the 8139 into an ISA bus? or, will it only work into PCI? |
| 21:53.46 | MonMotha | 8139 is pretty integrated |
| 21:53.49 | sorphin | yup |
| 21:53.52 | MonMotha | I would think it's probably PCI only |
| 21:53.53 | prpplague | TomW: iirc 8139 is pci onlu |
| 21:53.59 | TomW | hmm |
| 21:54.01 | sorphin | if you want anoher integrated chip |
| 21:54.02 | prpplague | TomW: the 8019 is the isa |
| 21:54.11 | MonMotha | seeing as how it's absically just slap the chip on the PCI bus, hook the line driver up to the outputs, slap on an RJ45 jack |
| 21:54.15 | sorphin | there's the ASIX 88796 (i thikn that's the chip) |
| 21:54.29 | sorphin | chip |
| 21:54.31 | sorphin | xformer |
| 21:54.43 | sorphin | couple caps/resistors |
| 21:54.44 | sorphin | done |
| 21:55.31 | MonMotha | anyway, good toutorial on interfacing the ISA bus? |
| 21:55.48 | MonMotha | since we seem to be on that tpoic |
| 21:56.18 | TomW | MonMotha: probably, but the signals are really simple to use. |
| 21:56.31 | sorphin | MonMotha: keyword:isa%20bus%20tutorial :P |
| 21:56.34 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: get a jack with filters |
| 21:56.48 | MonMotha | jeesh, such hostility :) |
| 21:56.50 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: isa bus is easy, isa+dma provides some complications |
| 21:56.57 | TomW | right |
| 21:56.59 | sorphin | Russ|werk: indeed |
| 21:56.59 | MonMotha | I was wondering if anyone had any reccomendations...yes I can plug that into google :) |
| 21:56.59 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: luckliy, arm doesn't support DMA |
| 21:57.07 | sorphin | hehe |
| 21:57.20 | sorphin | Russ|werk: no dma on the tivo isa trick either |
| 21:57.28 | sorphin | so performance isn't as good |
| 21:57.34 | TomW | use the SMSC91C96 or CS8900A, neither one needs DMA. |
| 21:57.39 | MonMotha | basically I've gotten tired of the damn paralell port :) |
| 21:57.46 | MonMotha | I always spell that wrong |
| 21:57.47 | MonMotha | parallel |
| 21:57.48 | sorphin | MonMotha: oh gawd |
| 21:57.59 | sorphin | MonMotha: better learn pci ;p |
| 21:58.07 | sorphin | most boards now don't even come w/ isa slots ;p |
| 21:58.11 | sorphin | besides this one |
| 21:58.30 | MonMotha | sorphin: there's still an ISA bus tho...and the comps I tinker with all have ISA |
| 21:58.46 | MonMotha | and I gather it's a helluva lot easier to talk to than PCI |
| 21:58.50 | sorphin | hmmmm |
| 21:58.54 | Russ|werk | cs8900a is cool... |
| 21:58.58 | sorphin | this sounds like Russ / prpplague territory ;) |
| 21:58.59 | sorphin | The ISA and PC/104 bus |
| 21:59.02 | sorphin | ;) |
| 21:59.04 | Russ|werk | you could hook up a cs8900a on the parallel port... |
| 21:59.11 | Russ|werk | (somehow) |
| 21:59.27 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: what is a cs8900a? ethernet controller? |
| 21:59.33 | Russ|werk | pci is easy...as long as you have premade chips that support it |
| 21:59.33 | sorphin | yes |
| 21:59.36 | prpplague | ya the cs8900a is pretty easy to work with |
| 21:59.41 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: 3.3v, 16 bit or 8 bit |
| 22:00.02 | prpplague | the question i have is if there are any additional headers on the board |
| 22:00.21 | MonMotha | Russ|werk: you think you can get the pport fast enough to actually get 10Mbit under software control? |
| 22:00.41 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:00.56 | sorphin | w/ ECP you might |
| 22:01.01 | sorphin | standard bidirectional, i dunno |
| 22:01.22 | MonMotha | yes, but with ECP you'd probably require some support hardware, not just slapping the chip on the port :) |
| 22:01.24 | Russ|werk | MonMotha: no |
| 22:01.38 | prpplague | http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=wpalgen&Post=63&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0&Session= |
| 22:01.58 | sorphin | oh gawd |
| 22:02.09 | sorphin | ~fishslap prpplague |
| 22:02.16 | | ACTION slaps prpplague up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:02.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:03.00 | sorphin | "The one that I have gotten to work is a noname NE2000 clone that uses a RTL8019AS chip." |
| 22:03.07 | sorphin | so my eagle should work |
| 22:03.16 | MonMotha | you'd be amazed what you can do with a noname NE2000 clone :) |
| 22:03.16 | prpplague | sorphin: why the slap bitch? |
| 22:03.26 | sorphin | prpplague: that multi line url ;p |
| 22:03.29 | sorphin | i have that |
| 22:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | 1. 3com Etherlink III (TP/TPO) (3c509) Managed to get it up after changing the io scan to 0x80400000 |
| 22:03.32 | CosmicPenguin | Other than that I just get collisions/overuns. |
| 22:03.37 | CosmicPenguin | I think I have one of those... :) |
| 22:03.38 | sorphin | s/have/hate/ |
| 22:03.46 | prpplague | sorphin: ya ya crack baby |
| 22:03.59 | sorphin | prpplague: go order cf adapters bitch |
| 22:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: two words.... x chat |
| 22:04.07 | CosmicPenguin | :-) |
| 22:04.08 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: umm |
| 22:04.12 | sorphin | remotely? :P |
| 22:04.14 | sorphin | riiight |
| 22:04.23 | Russ|werk | sorphin: why are you irc'ing remotely? |
| 22:04.35 | sorphin | from work |
| 22:04.39 | Russ|werk | why.. |
| 22:04.43 | sorphin | uhh |
| 22:04.46 | sorphin | 2 words |
| 22:04.48 | sorphin | Network |
| 22:04.50 | sorphin | Security |
| 22:05.00 | sorphin | i'm alrady on their shitlist ;p |
| 22:05.35 | sorphin | which reminds me, need to toss my reverse ssh tunnel up |
| 22:05.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh - The Worldcom CEO stole millions without anyone knowing about it |
| 22:06.05 | CosmicPenguin | are you really that scared of your IT department figuring out that you are chatting? |
| 22:06.26 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:06.35 | kergoth | heh, nothing wrong with taking precautions |
| 22:06.39 | sorphin | they bothered to threaten me over gnutella :P |
| 22:06.50 | CosmicPenguin | lol |
| 22:06.55 | kergoth | digi did that to me to, till they canned the IS guy that payed attention |
| 22:06.56 | sorphin | things are tighter here than they used to be |
| 22:07.01 | kergoth | then they hired a dumbass who doesnt pay attention |
| 22:07.09 | CosmicPenguin | "If you do that one more time, I might consider being bothered to threaten you" |
| 22:07.18 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: actually no |
| 22:07.21 | CosmicPenguin | Everyone needs a corrupt IT guy... :) |
| 22:07.23 | sorphin | if i got caught again |
| 22:07.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok, $8.25 each |
| 22:07.29 | sorphin | i'd be walking out to my car |
| 22:07.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: plus shipping |
| 22:07.36 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: beautiful |
| 22:07.51 | sorphin | prpplague: put it on my tab *smirk* |
| 22:08.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've got a couple here, i'll wait to order until i get mine in and test |
| 22:08.06 | MonMotha | btw, still wanting to know what prog the tux schematics were drawn in if anyone knows (the ones on tuxscreen.net) |
| 22:08.24 | CosmicPenguin | STB 12.95.... RS322 =~ $15 and CF <-> IDE $10 = 32.95 |
| 22:08.34 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: good deal |
| 22:08.58 | CosmicPenguin | Oops.... |
| 22:08.58 | sorphin | oos: what you gonna hook up to an RS322 port? :P |
| 22:09.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you are gonna get a custom pcb for the serial ? |
| 22:09.42 | sorphin | prpplague: that's why russ emailed 4pcb.com |
| 22:09.46 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: Its a brand new wicked cool 4 wire 10v distributed connector... :) |
| 22:10.04 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: it transfers data and whitens your teeth... :) |
| 22:10.21 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no penis enlargement this time huh? *smirk* |
| 22:10.33 | sorphin | since you're so fond of those gimicks |
| 22:11.02 | sorphin | speaking of which.. that scene fro austin powers |
| 22:11.02 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: I already told you, the penis enlargment already worked for me.... |
| 22:11.10 | sorphin | has to be one of the funniest in the moviue |
| 22:11.12 | sorphin | movie |
| 22:11.28 | CosmicPenguin | Actually, I used too much... I'm waiting for a e-mail that says "shrink your penis by 3 inches" |
| 22:11.38 | sorphin | ha |
| 22:11.40 | prpplague | ok i'm moving too slow on this since i have work to do as well, any got any pics of the guts? |
| 22:11.54 | sorphin | i was wondering that myself |
| 22:12.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the "bobette" plan? |
| 22:12.32 | sorphin | ouch |
| 22:12.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: http://webpal.bigbrd.com/facts.html |
| 22:13.39 | TomW | sorphin: seems like I have helped set the "topic" today: WebPal? |
| 22:13.48 | TomW | heh |
| 22:13.49 | CosmicPenguin | A few Webpals come with 2M of Flash, using two chips on the SIMM and making it 32 bits wide. My bootstrap loader only works for a 16 bit wide SIMM. |
| 22:13.50 | prpplague | TomW: no kidding |
| 22:13.53 | sorphin | TomW: something like that ;) |
| 22:14.14 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:14.16 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.16 | sorphin | The only interrupt supported by the ISA bus slot is IRQ3. This maps to interrupt #9 in Linux. |
| 22:14.25 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.39 | CosmicPenguin | Thats gonna be ugly |
| 22:15.05 | sorphin | hmmm |
| 22:15.22 | sorphin | about that memory |
| 22:15.23 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.24 | sorphin | The Webpal does support double sided SIMMs. A double sided SIMM will appear as two memory banks. |
| 22:15.31 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: right, that sounds like a Single Scan interface. Dual Scan interfaces need mux-ing logic, IIRC. |
| 22:15.40 | sorphin | TomW: thoughts? |
| 22:16.18 | CosmicPenguin | Hopefully he figured out how to center the image on the TV |
| 22:16.18 | sorphin | eww |
| 22:16.23 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ugh |
| 22:16.26 | TomW | sorphin: yeah, I got a small iron, that A12 line shouldn't be a big issue for me. Also, I still have some 32Med SODIMMs lying around here unused. |
| 22:16.31 | CosmicPenguin | Thats gonna hurt the eyeballs... :) |
| 22:16.32 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: There is a single IDE connector (J13). Due to a bug discovered by codeman, if you wish to use this interface, you must lift pin 11 of U2. |
| 22:16.59 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: naw, binocular 10X / 20X microscope here as well. |
| 22:17.01 | sorphin | TomW: maybe but this uses SIMMS |
| 22:17.13 | TomW | sorphin: interesting. |
| 22:17.18 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: what is U2? |
| 22:17.28 | sorphin | till i see the board, i dunno |
| 22:17.47 | TomW | sorphin: probably the older 72 pin sims. Glad I saved those old 16Meg 72pin simms now... |
| 22:17.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there was a post indicating that it was only need for one specific board revision |
| 22:18.03 | sorphin | TomW: heh, i just put 2 of my simms in my cisco shit |
| 22:18.10 | sorphin | prp; just watch |
| 22:18.17 | sorphin | it'll be OUR revision ;p |
| 22:18.18 | CosmicPenguin | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/idebug.jpg |
| 22:18.34 | CosmicPenguin | The poor WebPal Linux commnity is about to be slammed |
| 22:18.35 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 22:18.41 | sorphin | indeed |
| 22:18.58 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what we do - we wander the land looking for surplus hardware, and attack it |
| 22:19.18 | sorphin | ugh |
| 22:19.22 | sorphin | standalone flash programmer |
| 22:19.34 | BZFlag | webpal? |
| 22:19.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: its not needed, if I understand everything correctly |
| 22:19.40 | sorphin | BZFlag: yup |
| 22:19.46 | sorphin | BZFlag: baby arm bpx |
| 22:19.48 | sorphin | box |
| 22:20.08 | CosmicPenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.09 | CosmicPenguin | Woohoo!! |
| 22:20.58 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:20.58 | TomW | somebody toss BZFlag the link. |
| 22:21.00 | sorphin | already done ;) |
| 22:21.06 | sorphin | umm |
| 22:21.09 | sorphin | 1 sec. |
| 22:21.43 | sorphin | ah |
| 22:21.46 | sorphin | he already found it ;p |
| 22:22.07 | sorphin | BZFlag: http://www.softwareandstuff.com/h_misc_webpal.html to buy them out *grin* |
| 22:22.12 | TomW | heh, maybe another buy-out about to happen? |
| 22:22.18 | sorphin | hehe |
| 22:22.32 | CosmicPenguin | or maybe BZFlag doesn't want to go through all that again... :) |
| 22:22.35 | TomW | make sure that they get into the "right" hands. |
| 22:22.35 | BZFlag | ~webpal is a set top box appliance that can run Linux. see http://webpal.bigbrd.com/ |
| 22:22.36 | | okay, BZFlag |
| 22:22.36 | sorphin | these are gonna be awfully slow compared to the tux tho |
| 22:22.54 | scanline | any hardware acceleration on the video? |
| 22:23.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:23.01 | sorphin | no |
| 22:23.13 | scanline | :) |
| 22:23.17 | prpplague | hmm, i can't believe no one has dis-assemblied and taken pictures of this thing |
| 22:23.25 | CosmicPenguin | So no alpha blending... :) |
| 22:23.44 | BZFlag | 1M/4M is the largest config? or can you upgrade memory easily? |
| 22:23.56 | sorphin | up to 32M mem |
| 22:24.02 | CosmicPenguin | s/fidea/idea/ |
| 22:24.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes? |
| 22:24.09 | sorphin | dunno bout upgrading the flash |
| 22:24.14 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: no, it was stupid |
| 22:24.22 | sorphin | the flash apparently |
| 22:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I forgot that you can't have standard CATV and this running at the same time.... |
| 22:24.26 | sorphin | is a 29F800 |
| 22:24.40 | TomW | hmmm, I feel another reverse engineering of the PCB into schematics about to transpire, at least at this end. |
| 22:24.51 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I thought it would be fun to hook up the WebPal to my tuxscreen and show caller id information on my TV |
| 22:25.01 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:25.17 | CosmicPenguin | and if sorphin makes some comment about his Tivo, I'm gonna /ignore him |
| 22:25.20 | sorphin | here'd be your flash |
| 22:25.23 | sorphin | Am29F800T/Am29F800B |
| 22:25.24 | sorphin | 8 Megabit (1,048,576 x 8-Bit/524,288 x 16-Bit) CMOS |
| 22:25.24 | sorphin | 5.0 Volt-only, Sector Erase Flash Memory |
| 22:25.56 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: wasn't planning to, i don't even have caller id to care |
| 22:26.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there are some cheap video integrator chips |
| 22:26.46 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah, I guess... :) |
| 22:27.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: anyway, random thought... I don't know enough about the hardware, so I was feeling left out |
| 22:27.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya meeeee to |
| 22:27.15 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: depending on the modem |
| 22:27.27 | CosmicPenguin | I can't find the SuperIO chip anywhere on Google |
| 22:28.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've notice lately that some of chip number that are in pdf references aren't showing up on google |
| 22:28.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: instead of search for the chip number i've been looking for "SuperIO pdf chip reference" |
| 22:28.54 | BZFlag | "Sample onfig file and zImage" from http://webpal.bigbrd.com/ ;-) /me wants that onfig file. |
| 22:29.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as an example |
| 22:29.19 | sorphin | BZFlag: heh |
| 22:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | I got it... the number was typed in wrong |
| 22:29.22 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:29.32 | CosmicPenguin | I grabbed it from the picture of the IDE pin to lift |
| 22:29.51 | sorphin | i grabbed it from their page telling about the chips |
| 22:29.56 | sorphin | didn't work |
| 22:30.01 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.smsc.com/main/catalog/fdc37c665gt.html |
| 22:30.17 | sorphin | ahh |
| 22:30.19 | sorphin | 665 ? |
| 22:30.28 | sorphin | they say it's a 666 |
| 22:30.46 | sorphin | SMC FDC37G666GT. several times |
| 22:30.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:30.48 | BZFlag | how exactly do they hook up a network card? |
| 22:30.53 | sorphin | BZFlag: isa slot |
| 22:30.54 | BZFlag | is the modem in a pci slot? |
| 22:31.01 | BZFlag | ah, isa. cool. |
| 22:31.12 | BZFlag | only one I presume? |
| 22:31.16 | sorphin | prolly |
| 22:31.28 | sorphin | considering the height |
| 22:31.38 | sorphin | it looks lik my WSP in formfactor |
| 22:31.42 | BZFlag | so nfsroot kernel in flash for nfsboot off ethernet? then all you need is memory. |
| 22:31.46 | prpplague | hmm, i wonder if the game port is connected in some fashion, and i wonder what we could do with the floppy io |
| 22:31.46 | sorphin | tho it had both pci an isa |
| 22:31.57 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: 666 == 665 + game port logic |
| 22:32.05 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so i just noticed |
| 22:32.12 | prpplague | ahh same here |
| 22:32.32 | CosmicPenguin | BZFlag: yeah - we're gonna add in some CF <-> IDE adapters for on board |
| 22:32.34 | sorphin | hehe |
| 22:32.40 | sorphin | BZFlag: so kick everyoen over there ;p |
| 22:32.46 | *** mode/#tuxscreen [+m] by BZFlag |
| 22:32.50 | BZFlag | how's that? |
| 22:32.57 | *** mode/#tuxscreen [-m] by BZFlag |
| 22:32.59 | sorphin | haha |
| 22:33.05 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:33.08 | TomW | BZFlag: no modem in it. |
| 22:33.15 | sorphin | TomW: ummm |
| 22:33.16 | sorphin | wrong |
| 22:33.20 | TomW | no? |
| 22:33.22 | sorphin | the ones WE ordered |
| 22:33.25 | sorphin | have amodem :P |
| 22:33.33 | sorphin | the $12.95 ones have a modem |
| 22:33.33 | TomW | oooh! goodie! |
| 22:33.49 | sorphin | the 7.95 doesn't |
| 22:33.49 | TomW | ah, yeah, missed seeing that. |
| 22:33.52 | BZFlag | there are 2 phone jacks on the bacl.. |
| 22:34.03 | BZFlag | ah 2 versions. |
| 22:34.04 | prpplague | BZFlag: i've got a source source for cf to ide adapters |
| 22:34.08 | TomW | this could be a fun toy to play with. |
| 22:34.21 | sorphin | ok, who's the ARM speed expert? :P |
| 22:34.33 | TomW | speed? |
| 22:34.36 | prpplague | TomW: Floppy Disk Available on Parallel Port Pins |
| 22:34.45 | TomW | prpplague: :( |
| 22:34.48 | sorphin | just trying to imagine here, cuz it's gonna be as i said, slow compared to the tux |
| 22:35.07 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: yeah, its gonna be Agenda slow... :) |
| 22:35.09 | TomW | yeah, it will be like running a 486 DX33 |
| 22:35.17 | sorphin | i never had a 33 |
| 22:35.20 | sorphin | i had a 40 ;) |
| 22:35.26 | sorphin | actually |
| 22:35.30 | BZFlag | prpplague: I figure if I'm going to add ethernet anyway, I'd just do nfsroot |
| 22:35.34 | sorphin | my 486 was a dx2/80 |
| 22:35.47 | prpplague | BZFlag: ahh |
| 22:35.56 | sorphin | BZFlag: CP is obsessed w/ CF tho ;) |
| 22:35.58 | prpplague | BZFlag: i'm a cf freak |
| 22:36.09 | sorphin | as is prpplague apparently |
| 22:36.12 | prpplague | lol |
| 22:36.21 | sorphin | prpplague: you're a POS freak :P |
| 22:36.27 | sorphin | screw that |
| 22:36.30 | CosmicPenguin | I adore CF |
| 22:36.30 | sorphin | you're just a freak ;) |
| 22:36.32 | prpplague | sorphin: worldcom slut |
| 22:36.37 | sorphin | prpplague: lackey |
| 22:36.38 | sorphin | not slot |
| 22:36.40 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: bah! |
| 22:36.44 | sorphin | or slut even |
| 22:36.44 | CosmicPenguin | I wish we had a better FS to run on them, but other than that.... >)( |
| 22:37.11 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, that is the downside, stuck with MSDOS> |
| 22:37.33 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: no, no - we can use ext2 on them, but journaling filesystems tend to burn out the flash pretty quickly |
| 22:37.42 | sorphin | yup |
| 22:37.48 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: but, if the laptop runs linux, I did format a few with ext2. |
| 22:38.01 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: but ext3 journals, ext2 doesn't ;p |
| 22:38.11 | CosmicPenguin | right - thats why we use ext2... :) |
| 22:38.21 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: yup, tried that too. Journalling also takes up a lot more of the precious space. |
| 22:38.26 | sorphin | except on the tux ;) |
| 22:38.34 | scanline | on the zaurus at least, ext2 is really slow with flash... minix is currently the best FS on the zaurus's CF |
| 22:38.34 | CosmicPenguin | sorphin: but thats not a CF now, is it? |
| 22:38.36 | sorphin | isn't jffs2 journaling? |
| 22:38.38 | TomW | sorphin: right |
| 22:38.50 | sorphin | the tux's flash has limited life too |
| 22:39.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: woodhouse said journaling for flash was on its way at OLS |
| 22:39.14 | CosmicPenguin | but ext3 / rieser writes almost continiously to the disk if a file is open |
| 22:39.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yep, I heard that too |
| 22:39.27 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: depends on which mode of journaling you use |
| 22:39.30 | TomW | that is why I like the used notebook drives: mucho storage, easy interface, and lifetime is longer. |
| 22:39.32 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I'll believe it when I see it |
| 22:39.48 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: but not $32 at OfficeMax, sadly |
| 22:39.49 | prpplague | sorphin: ya we run some minix parts on our thin clients as well |
| 22:40.00 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: no, just $50 on ebay ;) |
| 22:40.07 | BZFlag | so might as well get the $8 one if you are going to do ethernet anyway. |
| 22:40.12 | sorphin | BZFlag: you can't |
| 22:40.16 | sorphin | tis sold out |
| 22:40.19 | BZFlag | ah |
| 22:40.30 | TomW | CosmicPenguin: goto the computer shows, I find a few dealers in old notebook drives. 4gig can be had for about $25. |
| 22:40.42 | sorphin | TomW: unless they're pcmcia ;) |
| 22:40.49 | BZFlag | ~rinsult |
| 22:40.50 | prpplague | TomW: is that with or without pr0n on it? |
| 22:40.51 | CosmicPenguin | TomW: can't sell that to customers though, can you? |
| 22:40.56 | sorphin | hopefully mine are here today or tomorrow |
| 22:41.03 | BZFlag | ~rlart |
| 22:41.09 | TomW | prpplague: prOn ? |
| 22:41.13 | sorphin | ~fishslap bzflag |
| 22:41.14 | | ACTION slaps bzflag up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:41.17 | Russ|werk | ~rgoogle |
| 22:41.28 | BZFlag | ~fishslap sorphin for being so bold |
| 22:41.30 | | ACTION slaps sorphin up side the head with a wet fish for being so bold |
| 22:41.33 | sorphin | :) |
| 22:41.37 | CosmicPenguin | How would ~rgoogle work? |
| 22:41.44 | BZFlag | heh. |
| 22:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | Pick a word out of the dictionary? |
| 22:41.52 | sorphin | ibot: die |
| 22:41.53 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples lifeless. |
| 22:42.02 | ][N-Flux | can anyone help me with getting a working setup for my tux to boot from a 96mb cf? |
| 22:42.24 | TomW | lol, who murdered the robot, eh?! |
| 22:42.37 | Russ|werk | ibot: jump |
| 22:42.38 | | How high |
| 22:42.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh - about 640k for the kernel |
| 22:42.43 | Russ|werk | ibot: jump |
| 22:42.44 | | How high |
| 22:42.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats gonna be fun... :) |
| 22:42.45 | TomW | sorphin: shame! killing the dumb bot. |
| 22:42.51 | sorphin | ][N-Flux: LIM is using pcmcia ide ,should be similar enough |
| 22:42.52 | Russ|werk | hmm...its not like zork... |
| 22:42.57 | Russ|werk | ibot: north |
| 22:42.58 | | north is, like, up today. |
| 22:43.07 | prpplague | did anyone see the power input specs? |
| 22:43.07 | ][N-Flux | hrmmm, o.k. |
| 22:43.11 | sorphin | ibot: hell |
| 22:43.14 | ][N-Flux | I'll fiddle with it after |
| 22:43.16 | Russ|werk | ibot: what is a grue? |
| 22:43.16 | | I think you lost me on that one, Russ|werk |
| 22:43.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 22:43.23 | ][N-Flux | need to get it to the cf first :) |
| 22:43.26 | sorphin | it didn't respond to me ;p |
| 22:43.31 | sorphin | ibot: hell |
| 22:43.32 | sorphin | :P |
| 22:43.43 | sorphin | hmm |
| 22:43.51 | sorphin | ibot: pos ? |
| 22:43.52 | | See ibmpos |
| 22:43.58 | TomW | ibot: pr0n ? |
| 22:43.59 | | no idea, TomW |
| 22:43.59 | sorphin | ibot: botsnack |
| 22:43.59 | | thanks sorphin :) |
| 22:44.00 | CosmicPenguin | ][N-Flux: wait a sec - did you say boot from the CF? |
| 22:44.12 | prpplague | ibot: ibmpos |
| 22:44.13 | | [ibmpos] IBM Piece Of S#$t or a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane |
| 22:44.34 | sorphin | ][N-Flux: you can't "boot" directly from it |
| 22:44.40 | sorphin | but you can pivot over to it |
| 22:44.46 | ][N-Flux | well, the tux boots right now |
| 22:44.54 | CosmicPenguin | but don't lift your foot, or you'll be traveling.... |
| 22:44.56 | CosmicPenguin | hehehe... :) |
| 22:44.56 | ][N-Flux | would just like the cf to ave some apps and what not |
| 22:45.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wonder if this thing could be made into a webpad |
| 22:45.14 | sorphin | ][N-Flux: you'll just pivot_root to it |
| 22:45.21 | sorphin | after booting from the onboard flash |
| 22:45.26 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 22:45.34 | sorphin | which i'll be doing shortly |
| 22:45.45 | ][N-Flux | can I get stuff on the cf from windows though |
| 22:45.51 | ][N-Flux | or do I need to do it from linux |
| 22:46.07 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: Its a bit bulky.... by the time you have finished getting everything portable, you might as we have gotten a Wasabi |
| 22:46.44 | ][N-Flux | Well, this is for now, until I get a nic for it, then I can give it some space here |
| 22:47.00 | CosmicPenguin | ][N-Flux: Windows doesn't know how to speak ext2 - so if you do stick stuff on the CF, it will have to be a FAT filesystem |
| 22:47.13 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: wellllll |
| 22:47.22 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: there's explore2fs et al |
| 22:47.44 | ][N-Flux | CosmicPenguin: I know that, but will the phone dig a fat fs :) |
| 22:47.46 | sorphin | as long as he's not planning on always doing it that way |
| 22:47.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: except that i can't get a wasabi |
| 22:47.54 | BZFlag | CosmicPenguin: course you can dump a image.ext2 on it and loop mount that. ;-) |
| 22:48.08 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.cocom-ia.com/reference/sc3200.htm |
| 22:48.23 | TomW | no paypal debit yet |
| 22:48.32 | sorphin | TomW: i doubt they're THAT fast ;p |
| 22:48.40 | TomW | :( |
| 22:48.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya buts x86 :( |
| 22:48.48 | sorphin | and a geode :P |
| 22:48.52 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: so? |
| 22:49.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: after the tcsx-1 i swore i would avoid x86 |
| 22:49.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: The geode and I are good friends... :) |
| 22:49.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya thats kinda like saying "the herpes virus and i are good friends" :) |
| 22:50.03 | sorphin | up |
| 22:50.05 | sorphin | yup |
| 22:50.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: jk |
| 22:50.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: beside i have my board coming soon :) |
| 22:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | fun stuff |
| 22:50.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the wasabi or herpes? |
| 22:50.54 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: lol |
| 22:51.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kind of board? |
| 22:51.15 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I've heard the herpes reference platform is a bit dangerous |
| 22:51.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: geode based, of course... :) |
| 22:51.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ya problems re-occur every 30 days |
| 22:52.22 | CosmicPenguin | the geode is good because its so damn cheap |
| 22:55.36 | BZFlag | ok... everyone move to #elinux now. that's right. you too can type /join #eLinux ;-) |
| 22:56.30 | *** mode/#tuxscreen [+v ade|Zzz] by BZFlag |
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| 22:56.39 | Russ|werk | #elinux? |
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| 22:57.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:57.57 | BZFlag | now if you leave and join you loose your voice. ;-) |
| 22:58.18 | BZFlag | Russ|werk: #eLinux or http://eLinux.org/ for general embedded linux stuff. |
| 22:58.32 | BZFlag | iirc correctly you are a member of the SF project there too. |
| 23:03.09 | *** part/#tuxscreen Russ|werk (user@wsip68-98-222-194.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:08.34 | *** topic/#tuxscreen by BZFlag -> we are moving to #eLinux for general Embedded Linux | http://TuxScreen.net/ | Linux on your phone! | no TuxScreens and no JTAGs | gcc-final fails in current buildroot "ln -s `pwd`/build/stage/lib/* build/stage/arm-linux/lib/" | tinyx builds again |
| 23:10.03 | *** part/#tuxscreen sjhill (~NOYB@207-191-210-241.cpe.ats.mcleodusa.net) |
| 23:13.49 | jacques | what's going on? |
| 23:14.04 | jacques | ibot: test |
| 23:14.05 | | Test successful! |
| 23:14.30 | kergoth | jacques: /j #elinux |
| 23:22.02 | *** join/#tuxscreen TomW (tom@147seg-pc-1624-14.msns.str.ptd.net) |
| 23:28.40 | *** mode/#tuxscreen [-m] by BZFlag |
| 23:55.34 | *** join/#tuxscreen ibot (ibot@rikers.org) |
| 23:55.34 | *** topic/#tuxscreen is we are moving to #eLinux for general Embedded Linux | http://TuxScreen.net/ | Linux on your phone! | no TuxScreens and no JTAGs | gcc-final fails in current buildroot "ln -s `pwd`/build/stage/lib/* build/stage/arm-linux/lib/" | tinyx builds again |
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